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Re: Arctic Sea found in San Sebastian
« Reply #30 on: August 15, 2009, 09:54:37 AM »
I too noticed that.
It is still showing on Marine Traffic 46N 6.8W, making 10 knots on a course of 210 deg. Nowhere near San Sebastian but just about 200 miles ENE of La Corunna.
Last report received at 08:25 GMT 15 August.
I don't believe this is an accurate report; there is something odd about the display, compared to other ships in the area.
With regard to the earlier comments about comms;
A hand held VHF radio will generally allow you to communicate as far as you can see. Although there are ways of calculating theoretical distances, the safest assumption is from wherever you are to the horizon.
In a city, range will be limited by buildings, terrain etc. On the other hand, I once supplied a 5W portable radio, working on the amateur band (144 MHz) to the late King Hussein of Jordan and he was able to communicate with a US space station (can't remember the name now but it was in the mid 1980s and could have been Spacelab).
Also, if all the comms equipment had been destroyed or put out of action, then how was the ship able to continue to transmit AIS info on its voyage through the Baltic? No doubt the ship also has a number of small EPIRBs, even if only in a lifeboat etc?
Personally, I don't believe a word about the comms equipment being put out of action. After all, they were in contact with Dover coast guard as they passed through the Straits.
I know I am an old cynic but the whole thing smells like a basket of last week's fish!

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Re: Arctic Sea found in San Sebastian
« Reply #31 on: August 15, 2009, 11:23:50 AM »
Hi Kevin

Probably smells worse than that  :-)

I think it is very odd that the signal wasn't picked up by AIS Live as they have that area well covered. Another 'red herring' I suspect!

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Re: Arctic Sea found in San Sebastian
« Reply #32 on: August 15, 2009, 12:35:20 PM »
Strange report coming from Associated Press:

"Report: Vanished ship's signal appears off France

By JIM HEINTZ (AP)

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Re: Arctic Sea found in San Sebastian
« Reply #33 on: August 15, 2009, 01:17:39 PM »
Sky News Online has learned that the Finnish, Swedish and Maltese authorities are conducting co-ordinated investigations into alleged aggravated extortion and hijacking of a missing cargo ship. The investigation relates to the disappearance of the 321-foot vessel, MV Arctic Sea.

The announcement by the Malta Maritime Authority is the first time claims of extortion and hijacking of the ship have been confirmed by officials of the Maltese-flagged ship.

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Re: Arctic Sea found in San Sebastian
« Reply #34 on: August 15, 2009, 02:14:23 PM »
Steve,
The time & position reported by Sovfrakht coincides with what I saw on Marinetraffic this morning.
The report from the French merely adds another item to the gathering shoal of red herrings now!
Why would the Russian navy be sending ships from the Med to the Baltic when they could be used either searching along the North African coast or joining the others in the search in the area around the Cape Verde Islands?
The next post from Patrick, reporting an alleged extortion attempt, puts things back into perspective. It harks back to the original comment I made about the crew possibly looking for a "pay raise".

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Re: Arctic Sea found in San Sebastian
« Reply #35 on: August 15, 2009, 03:36:38 PM »
According to Finnish authorities there has been a demand for a ransom.

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Re: Arctic Sea found in San Sebastian
« Reply #36 on: August 15, 2009, 07:34:11 PM »
Ransom Demand Over Missing Atlantic Ship

Sky News Online has learned that three countries are investigating claims of aggravated extortion and hijacking after a ransom demand was made over a missing ship. 'Extortion And Hijack' Of Atlantic, Finland and Sweden relates to the disappearance of the 321-foot vessel, MV Arctic Sea, after it was boarded in Swedish waters while en route to the English Channel.

The announcement by the Malta Maritime Authority is the first time claims of extortion and hijacking of the ship have been confirmed by officials of the Maltese-flagged ship.

Finland's police have also confirmed that a ransom was demanded from the Finnish charterers of the 15-man Russian-crewed ship, according to the AFP.

"Yes it is true that there has been a demand for ransom which is money, and the demand has been made to the company which own the ship, Solhart Management in Finland," Detective Chief Superintendent Jan Nyholm said.

Maltese authorities say that although the hijack is still to be confirmed, the threat to the crew's safety is now paramount when releasing information.

The ship, which when laden had a low freeboard - the height between water and deck - of only 4 feet, went missing after a raid by 12 masked gunmen from a black 'police' inflatable on July 24.

Experts now fear the ship will be dangerously low on fuel to power its main diesel propulsion engine and auxillary electrical generators.

A Maltese maritime spokesman had previously told Sky News there had been a loss of communications between the ship's owners and the vessel.

The Turkish-built ship, carrying some

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Re: Arctic Sea found in San Sebastian
« Reply #38 on: August 16, 2009, 03:19:02 PM »
From sky news

Missing Cargo Ship: 'Pirates Demand $1.5m'



Russian TV reports claim the pirates who have seized the missing cargo ship, MV Arctic Sea, are demanding a ransom of $1.5m.  'Pirate' Extortion Demand of $1.5m Enlarge photo The demand was apparently made to Finnish company Solchart Management, which operates the Maltese-registered 321-foot vessel.

Meanwhile, a senior diplomat has voiced his confidence that the ship, with a crew of 15 Russian men aboard, will be found.

Dmitry Rogozin, Russia's ambassador to Nato, said an operation to find the missing Turkish-built freighter was under way.

He said in an interview with state-run Vesti TV: "The operation is in full swing and it's unfolding positively. It's giving us reason to hope for success."

The ship's crew was allegedly attacked by up to 12 armed men from an inflatable assault boat on July 24, in Swedish waters, while making its way through the English Channel.

Purporting to be anti-drug police, the alleged raiders bound, gagged, blindfolded and assaulted the ship's crew before a suspected escape.

However, after later making contact with Dover coastguard on July 28 the ship's tracking beacon was apparently disabled and the ship has not been seen since being spotted by a Portuguese patrol plane soon after.

It was due to enter the Strait of Gilbratar before docking at an Algerian port on August 4. However, by then the ship's owners had lost touch with the 4,000-ton timber carrier.

On August 15, the Malta Maritime Authority revealed to Sky News Online that Maltese, Finnish and Swedish authorities were investigating an alleged extortion.

"In addition, authorities from more than 20 countries have contributed to it - the communication has been conducted through the Interpol and Europol channels," officials said in a statement.

Maltese officials believe the ship has been steered into deep Atlantic waters.

Since then there have been reports suspecting the ship of being near the Cape Verde islands west of Africa, with a Russian frigate steaming towards the location.

Experts now fear the ship will be dangerously low on fuel to power its main diesel propulsion engine and auxillary electrical generators.

EU Commission spokesman Dennis Abbott confirmed that the commission was also being kept informed of developments by nations involved in the hunt.

He added: "We can't say any more than that because we don't want to hinder law enforcement activities."

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Re: Arctic Sea found in San Sebastian
« Reply #39 on: August 18, 2009, 08:39:59 AM »
8 suspects in Arctic Sea hijacking reported held

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Re: Arctic Sea found in San Sebastian
« Reply #40 on: August 18, 2009, 11:21:23 AM »
Steve, if hijackers boarded ship & left again who did the hijacking?

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Re: Arctic Sea found in San Sebastian
« Reply #41 on: August 18, 2009, 11:25:04 AM »
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Steve, if hijackers boarded ship & left again who did the hijacking?


My take on the situation is that there must have been two boardings - once by the 'gang' claiming to be Police and the other by the hijackers claiming they needed assistance.  All sounds very convoluted and I'm sure the TRUE story will surface eventually as there is too much International attention/interest for it not to be  :-)

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Re: Arctic Sea found in San Sebastian
« Reply #42 on: August 18, 2009, 03:27:00 PM »
Official accounts asserting the Arctic Sea  cargo ship was hijacked last month fail to answer key questions about its  mysterious disappearance and suggest a cover-up, a Russian expert said  Tuesday.
        Officials in Estonia and Latvia meanwhile said they had received no further  information after Russian Defence Minister Anatoly Serdyukov said citizens from  the two Baltic states were among eight alleged pirates who seized the ship.
        Speaking at a news conference in Moscow, Mikhail Voitenko, editor of the  online Sovfrakht Maritime Bulletin, listed a series of reasons why he believed  official accounts of the vessel's fate should be viewed with suspicion.
        These included:
        -- The fact that a week passed between the date the ship was reportedly  hijacked by pirates -- July 24 -- and the first public reports about this.
        -- The absence of any distress signal despite the ship being equipped with  a range of sophisticated tracking devices difficult to shut down  simultaneously.
        -- The apparent failure by any crew member to use his mobile phone to  report any attack despite being in Swedish waters within cell coverage range.
        -- The fact that the vessel sailed for several weeks in waters off Europe  apparently without detection.
        -- The cost of international airforce, naval and intelligence operations to  locate the ship vastly exceeded the value of the vessel and cargo combined.
        -- The fact that NATO says it worked closely with Russia to locate the ship  but has declined to provide details on this unusual joint effort.
        "This story is incomprehensible if you try to explain it as a criminal  attack or a dispute between business competitors," Voitenko said.
        "It makes sense only if looked at as a conflict between states... I believe  states, state interests, were involved in what happened."
        Voitenko, an experienced seaman and respected expert on shipping affairs,  said he believed the crew of the Arctic Sea got caught up in "a big game"  between the governments of several countries.
        He admitted he could not say what the object of this game was.
        But the level of expertise required to steer the Arctic Sea through seas  near Europe apparently undetected, and the paucity of public information on the  ship's status for weeks, pointed to involvement by governments.
        "I believe the countries involved found a solution and agreed to 'keep it  in the family' without having the time to find a plausible explanation" for the  mysterious voyage, Voitenko said.
        In Riga, a Latvian foreign ministry spokesman said authorities there had  received no more details on alleged involvement of Latvian citizens in  hijacking the Arctic Sea.
        "We've asked the Russian Federation for an official confirmation that  Latvian citizens have been arrested, but we have not received a reply," Latvian  foreign ministry spokesman Gints Jerohimovics told AFP.
        In Tallin, a spokesman for the Estonian state prosecutor's office gave a  similar report.
        "Estonian authorities have not been presented any official information so  far about the possibility that some people from Estonia might be related to the  case," the spokesman, Gerrit Maesalu, told AFP.
        In Brussels, a NATO spokeswoman, Carmen Romero, said the alliance had  "closely monitored" the situation situation and remained in contact with Russia  about it.
        She declined however to specify exactly what role NATO played in the search  for the Arctic Sea.
Source: AFP

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Re: Arctic Sea found in San Sebastian
« Reply #43 on: August 19, 2009, 12:16:06 AM »
I agree with Mr. Voitenkos view of the story.And i never believe the russian story,that pirates in the Baltic Sea or on the coast of Portugal seized the vessel.I don't think,that we will hear the true story,because everybody is lying,even the NATO.Something is wrong and went wrong!It is another reason,not to trust the russian government and the whole secret services everywhere.
Another thing is the stupid way,the most of the  media in Germany reports about the whole case.
If pirates in the Baltic Sea would seize a vessel on a westbound trip,the vessel never ever would leave the Baltic,but if some Mafia organisation(what i doubt)or a miltary action would take over the vessel,then it is another story.....

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Re: Arctic Sea found in San Sebastian
« Reply #44 on: August 19, 2009, 01:19:57 AM »
A few points to think about:
1. The track of the Arctic Sea showed a turn toward Gotland and a reduction in speed to 2 knots from 10 on the day it was supposedly hijacked.
2. The ship's AIS suddenly began squawking last Saturday, 200 miles NNE of La Corruna, then disappeared after a short time.
3. The French Navy, later that day, said this signal was from Russian Navy vessles, returning from the Med to the Baltic. A likely story as the signal showed the ship to be sailing on a SW course, the opposite of the direction to the Baltic.
4. The Russian Navy suddenly all poured out of the Black Sea in search of the ship. Other Russian owned ships have been hijacked in areas such as the Horn of Africa but there was no charge of the Russian Brigade.
So how about this for a theory:
The ship was carrying something other than timber. Something the Russians did not want the rest of the world to know about. The West didn't want whatever this may have been to go anywhere so western forces boarded the ship off Sweden.
Far fetched, I know but it fits; NATO has been lying, the Russians have been lying, someone has been trying to cover up the 7 day gap between the original incident and the subsequent reports.
Who knows?

 

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