Where will MV Caribou and MV Smallwood end up??

[Gulfspan]

Generally,in an industrial rental/lease agrrement //the renter is responsable for the maintainence and up keep ..all of it,hydro,water,sewer,..the rentor collects the rent and pays the property tax..thats all..
So it is possable that MAI is doing just that ..outside the annual property tax ..it isnt costing them a dime ..

[Mike Whitty]

Hi folks, I took some shots of the Caribou today, Dec 27, 2010.

[Trucker001]

thanks for the posts Mike 

[Jarrod David]

Thanks Mike great pics....

[Dean Porter]

Hi,

Where are the photos? I can't seem to find them

Thanks
Dean

[Jarrod David]

They are attached to Mike Whitty's comments.

[Dean Porter]

I seen them thanks. I wasn't logged in.

Nice photos Mike

Regards
Dean

[Kyle Larabee]

Thanks Mike for the great pics.


Kyle

[Gulfspan]

Seems as though the word is that the MV Caribou may make her way to Egypt..She's either been sold,or posted there for layup..The General consensus is sold however...

If thats the case..Im wondering what refit and upgrades will have to be preformed to operate a ship built for use on cooler waters.Dont think her designers had the Mediterranean in mind when her keel was laid

[Daniel B]

Egypt,of all the places on earth...
They were no good anymore for Canada and now they are going to SAIL IN Egypt...wICH MEANS THAT THEY ARE STILL GOOD  In what contry are we living?UNE R

[rd77]

Daniel,

No need to get all worked up about this. These are 25 year old ships which are being sold in a very bad market (still lots of older ferries laid up all across Europe). In such a market, Egyptians can also afford to buy ships which are a little less old than what they normally buy...

I wonder, would you have said the same if these ships were sold to Greece or Italy (those two countries being the "normal" destinations for old ships like these).

Brgds.
Ralph

[Gulfspan]

Key word in all conversations is "may"..
Her ownership may get transferred as a bill of sale to an Egyptian firm flying an Egyptian flag or what ever flag the firm operates under,
However,Its not unusual for a big ticket item to be bought,then re-sold to a buyer almost immediately,,brokerage firms do it all the time..Especially if their client has no international connections to do the deal,legal,secure funds and such.

Part of me is very much concerned because ..its puts Caribou almost on the porch of Turkish breakers,which maybe a client of an international brokerage firm

[Christian Br]

The DNV (Det Norske Veritas) is not a subsidiary of Lloyds.

http://www.dnvusa.com/moreondnv/profile/about_us/

http://www.dnv.no/mer_om_dnv/selskapsprofil/om_oss/

They are one of the leading class societies in the world and most of the vessels built in Scandinavia, such as the "new" vessels of Marine Atlantic, are classed by DNV.

[Mac Mackay]

Egypt is currently in a state of political turmoil, so who can say what may happen there. However they do have a passenger/ferry issue - some not very good conversions which resulted in loss of life. Generally they are not operating in the Med but in Arabian Sea/ Indian Ocean. Car decks become steerage class dormitory accommodation for pilgrims.
As rightly pointed out Egypt is not too far from Turkey or India, so is well positioned to get to breakers yards.
My suspicious mind says MIA may be doing the same as CSL did with Ferbec. Sell the ship to a third party. The ship goes to another part of the world (outside of the EU and other convention countries) then is resold to breakers. This avoids remediating contaminants such as asbestos, PCBs and other toxic hazards.Or the third party might even do the remediation (but not under the strict safety rules of North American and EU countries) before selling it on.
MIA can then (as CSL did) claim inncence - they did not sell the ship for scrap.
We have seen recent incidents when India has turned ships back, so this is no gurantee, so it relieves the orginal owbner of the embarassment and expense of dealing with a problem and exports it to the third world.
I wonder of Caribou and Smallwood have been added to Greenpeace's list of dangerous ships?

[Trucker001]

  Most any ship going to breakers goes on the greenpeace list ...  you are right though about the way to dispose of a ship trough back channels...  and sadly that is what it looks like what is happening with this crowd from MA getting on with their antics...