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Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
« Reply #60 on: January 25, 2011, 08:09:16 PM »
hi michael

yes,,Maersk is 1st in scheduling and keep them, I know that,,worked about 3 years on Maersk chartered ships. There surely is a reason why they are so big.
I personally as Master would however not like to sail those big ships, special as I pointed out for liability reasons against the master after accident happens. If they maneuvre that ,good,, yes,,most probably they do. But then, almost all container ships nowadays
maneuvre very good. But it is also a fact that most container ships have underpowered
bowthrusters and sometimes getting in hairy situations when sudden wind sqaulls coming up
(talking out of own experiences)
Ships breaking down, thats a fact and sooner or later it will happen also with a E-class
or even bigger ones. Then the blame game starts and as you well know, the weak link in the litigation chain is the Master.
Remember the Exxon Valdez ?  2 or 3 days after the accident Exxon filed a law suit against the Master, also when he in the end was cleared, but his carriere was over. (at least then)
No Masters job is paid that good, that with one mistake your carriere is over.
As you pointed out,,the media reports right away and todays media and public want always right away a "guilty" one. That,s expected from them almost by the public

The real problem in my view, one mistake on such ships or mishap is already one too much.
On most ships I sailed, one could control a situation, on these big ships, with a power failure in the wrong moment there is no controle anymore.
As you pointed out, the windfactor, just imagine wind 4-5 and not even half full by weight
but full by empty container. Those ships going off like a sailing yard at full speed !!!

Lets hope that never will happen, but surely I don,t want to be in the shoes of that unfortunate Capt to whom it will happen !!!

regds
capt ted
NOW!!!,,,if we could get rid of the sailors,,how safe shipping would be !!!!!!!!

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Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
« Reply #61 on: January 26, 2011, 04:47:48 AM »

According to Alphaliner today the length of the new Maersk giants
should be 440 metres.

Probably APM Terminals will construct gantry cranes of their new
design for these (potential) vessels.

Niels
At first some rumors said they will longer than 470m ,could you give us the link ?

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Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
« Reply #62 on: January 27, 2011, 11:36:05 AM »
At first some rumors said they will longer than 470m ,could you give us the link ?

http://www.alphaliner.com/liner2/research_files/newsletters/2011/no04/Alphaliner%20Newsletter%20no%2004%20-%202011.pdf

then there is further link within that document.



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Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
« Reply #63 on: January 27, 2011, 01:51:18 PM »
At first some rumors said they will longer than 470m ,could you give us the link ?

http://www.alphaliner.com/liner2/research_files/newsletters/2011/no04/Alphaliner%20Newsletter%20no%2004%20-%202011.pdf

then there is further link within that document.



could not open the link,by the way,are there any cranes with the outreach of 26 rows using in any ports ?

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Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
« Reply #64 on: January 27, 2011, 01:55:22 PM »
Try via http://www.alphaliner.com/ and select newsletter 2011-04 from the grey 'News and Reports' box on the right.

Alternatively try to copy and paste the link into your browser, rather than click it directly in shipspotting. Usually that will work.

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Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
« Reply #65 on: January 27, 2011, 10:20:13 PM »
Hi Jan,

thank you for the link to the news letter, it will be very intersting to see what develops.

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Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
« Reply #66 on: January 28, 2011, 01:47:33 PM »
what a nice carrier! if it would really built in this shape

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Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
« Reply #67 on: February 01, 2011, 03:33:55 AM »
Is there crane with the out reach of 26 rows using in maersk`s AE line ports?

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Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
« Reply #68 on: February 01, 2011, 10:46:57 AM »
As you can see in the pdf...

http://www.alphaliner.com/liner2/research_files/Alphaliner-20Kteu-ULCS.pdf

...the exemplary ship is 'only' 23 rows wide. 24 rows might also be an option. I believe that - though technically possible - 26 rows would be a bit 'too much'. There are already a sufficient number of 22/23 row cranes in most major ports in the Far East, Straits, Middle East and (northern) Europe. New deep water terminals (like APMT Maasvlakte 2 and JWP Wilhemlshaven) will plly be fitted with 24-25 row outreach gantries.

Also: An extremely wide ship might (even if the cranes were in place) be too 'slow' in port, as the ratio of 'max teu intake' vs 'max number of cranes to simultaneously work on the ship' will deteriorate.


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Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
« Reply #69 on: February 01, 2011, 03:08:57 PM »
The problem of "ratio of max teu intake vs max number of cranes to simultaneously
work on the ship" has apparently been solved by APM Terminals' new FastNet Crane
Technology.

This new concept is enabling STS gantry cranes to work on adjacent bays of large
container ships effectively doubling productivity.

Basically the FastNet cranes "share" a common leg structure so each crane will only
need a space of 40 feet.

Source: www.apmterminals.com   - Innovation (including a video)

Niels
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Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
« Reply #70 on: February 01, 2011, 03:23:04 PM »
I don't believe in the concept. It looks way too expensive and too inflexible for me. Presumably, conventional (though very large) gantries will remain industry standard.

Remember: You would not have to equip ONE port with FastNet Cranes, but ALL ports which are served by such ultra-large ships, to really benefit from such a system. I don't see that happen.

Also: Usually the bottleneck at a terminal does not consist of the cranes: Under strain, the container yard, the railyard, the VC or AGV and the truck in/out gates usually break down way before the cranes are at their max capacity...

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Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
« Reply #71 on: February 01, 2011, 05:38:20 PM »

Well, it actually looks like the guys of APM Terminals believe in the concept !

Niels

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Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
« Reply #72 on: February 01, 2011, 07:08:44 PM »
Then why have they not commissioned such an installation for the new JWP in Germany, where APMT/Maersk is a major shareholder? And: Will such a system be installed at the new APMT-managed Maasvlakte II terminal?

The two are among the (European) terminals most likely to see calls from +15,000 teu Jumbos after 2013, provided such large ships will actually be built.


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Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
« Reply #73 on: February 01, 2011, 08:14:11 PM »
Regarding the question as to whether +15,000 teu Jumbos will be built, just a quote from Containerisation International magazine (jan/2011): "While there will continue to be a need for container vessels of many different sizes, I do not think anybody doubts that we also will see larger vessels in the future." "...and it of course makes sense to consideer larger vessels due to the economies of scale of using such ships". "In our view, a key factor is the strong relationship between ship size and environmental performance" (Soren Andersen, vice president and head of Maersk Line's vessel management division).

Apparently there is still some doubt in certain places as to whether the market will see
Jumbo-style containerships in the future!

As to APM Terminals FastNet crane concept: it is of course anybody's choice to see the
public announcement by APMT as just an excellent reason to make a nice video!

Niels

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Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
« Reply #74 on: February 04, 2011, 09:01:18 AM »
The +15,000 teu Jumbos are apparently already sailing the high seas.
Maersk Line's E-Class (PS-class) is still growing. After the second
adjustment by Maersk these vessels are now stated with a nominal capacity
of 15,500 teu on www.maerskline.com  /Services
Until January 17 2011 the vessel's list stated a 14,770 teu capacity.

At the time of phasing-in the vessels' capacity were stated by Maersk
at 11,000 teu as far as I recall.

Not that far now to the "magic" 18,000 teu   ;)

Niels
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