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Re: Royal Caribbean and Pullmantur disposals
« Reply #75 on: August 11, 2020, 03:58:46 PM »

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Re: Royal Caribbean and Pullmantur disposals
« Reply #76 on: August 11, 2020, 04:05:43 PM »
Oh No, now the entire face of Sovereign is gone! The Monarch, Fantasy, and Inspiration haven't started scrapping yet. Maybe there's still time to save them.
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Re: Royal Caribbean and Pullmantur disposals
« Reply #77 on: August 15, 2020, 02:09:37 AM »
So today, I notice that the online sailing postings for both Empress of the Seas and Majesty of the Seas on YachtWorld both have a red Sale Pending message on the pages. That means that whoever is buying them is negotiating with the ship sellers and Royal Caribbean. Let's hope that a cruise line is going to save them because if the buyer is the Aliaga scrappers, than the Sovereign-class will go extinct.

Empress of the Seas: https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1990/cruise-ship--1602-2020-passengers-stock-no-s2559-3695102/

Majesty of the Seas: https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1992/cruise-ship-2354-passenger-stock-no-s2149-3699675/
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Re: Royal Caribbean and Pullmantur disposals
« Reply #78 on: August 16, 2020, 01:23:03 AM »
If we can't save the vessels from further use, I propose that we buy both Empress of the Seas and Majesty of the Seas and exchange the Monarch for Empress of the Seas and tow her out of Aliaga while leaving Sovereign to her fate. This would mean Empress would be scrapped, but Monarch and Majesty would be ok. Then, we tow and scuttle them to a area that would be deep enough for other ships to pass through but not too deep so divers can access the sister wrecks. Then, they could survive being tourist diving destinations and artificial reefs. Plus, if people demand these vessels be restored, we can raise them and restore them. This should be how the vessels should end their sailing services.
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Re: Royal Caribbean and Pullmantur disposals
« Reply #79 on: August 16, 2020, 08:52:55 AM »
Given the things being suggested in this thread I'm not quite sure how many on this site are actually sane, or maybe they are just trolling??
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Re: Royal Caribbean and Pullmantur disposals
« Reply #80 on: August 17, 2020, 04:49:09 AM »
So today, I notice that the online sailing postings for both Empress of the Seas and Majesty of the Seas on YachtWorld both have a red Sale Pending message on the pages. That means that whoever is buying them is negotiating with the ship sellers and Royal Caribbean. Let's hope that a cruise line is going to save them because if the buyer is the Aliaga scrappers, than the Sovereign-class will go extinct.

Empress of the Seas: https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1990/cruise-ship--1602-2020-passengers-stock-no-s2559-3695102/

Majesty of the Seas: https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1992/cruise-ship-2354-passenger-stock-no-s2149-3699675/

Now, there is signs that the vessels may head to the scrapyard (possible even to Aliaga where their sisters Sovereign and Monarch are) did to the vessels still having the Sale Pending sign online and due to how they both have a destination to Malta which was Sovereign and Monarch's last destination before Aliaga. Now Royal Caribbean has denied the rummors, but they have done this in the past. Even rivals like Carnival and Norwegian have done the same. They're 30 years old and could be retired any day.
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Re: Royal Caribbean and Pullmantur disposals
« Reply #81 on: August 17, 2020, 06:01:48 PM »
If we can't save the vessels from further use, I propose that we buy both Empress of the Seas and Majesty of the Seas and exchange the Monarch for Empress of the Seas and tow her out of Aliaga while leaving Sovereign to her fate. This would mean Empress would be scrapped, but Monarch and Majesty would be ok. Then, we tow and scuttle them to a area that would be deep enough for other ships to pass through but not too deep so divers can access the sister wrecks. Then, they could survive being tourist diving destinations and artificial reefs. Plus, if people demand these vessels be restored, we can raise them and restore them. This should be how the vessels should end their sailing services.

You keep proposing all these weird and wonderful ideas. Do you have any idea of just how much USD 1 million is? Now consider that you need several multiples of that to buy a ship. Not to mention the expense of keeping a ship in operation, seaworthy and wages for the crew. All that when other major cruise lines are fighting to stay afloat and having ships idle.

As much as we all hate seeing a ship on the beach, that is the way it is. Let's face it the lock downs have brought economic hardships to all countries and luxury expenses like cruises are the first thing people cut on (assuming the feel safe to go on a cruise). So it is very likely that we will still see more ships on the beach, more cruise lines fail. And worst of all, more people without a job and families without an income. Let's try to keep that in perspective.

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Re: Royal Caribbean and Pullmantur disposals
« Reply #82 on: August 18, 2020, 07:34:25 PM »
Removing excess tonnage from the market also benefits shipyards when the industry eventually recovers and there will again be demand for new cruise ships. Let's just hope the yards will survive until then...

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Re: Royal Caribbean and Pullmantur disposals
« Reply #83 on: August 19, 2020, 03:08:35 PM »
So today, I notice that the online sailing postings for both Empress of the Seas and Majesty of the Seas on YachtWorld both have a red Sale Pending message on the pages. That means that whoever is buying them is negotiating with the ship sellers and Royal Caribbean. Let's hope that a cruise line is going to save them because if the buyer is the Aliaga scrappers, than the Sovereign-class will go extinct.

Empress of the Seas: https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1990/cruise-ship--1602-2020-passengers-stock-no-s2559-3695102/

Majesty of the Seas: https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1992/cruise-ship-2354-passenger-stock-no-s2149-3699675/

Now, there is signs that the vessels may head to the scrapyard (possible even to Aliaga where their sisters Sovereign and Monarch are) did to the vessels still having the Sale Pending sign online and due to how they both have a destination to Malta which was Sovereign and Monarch's last destination before Aliaga. Now Royal Caribbean has denied the rummors, but they have done this in the past. Even rivals like Carnival and Norwegian have done the same. They're 30 years old and could be retired any day.

The vessels have been delisted online and have been sold. Now we patiently wait.
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Re: Royal Caribbean and Pullmantur disposals
« Reply #84 on: August 19, 2020, 07:27:50 PM »
Ftakma1 just recently posted a video on Instagram. Scrapping of Monarch has begun. She also said in Turkish that more vessels will arrive. She didn't mention which vessels but to me, Its likely Empress of the Seas and Majesty of the Seas, but we just have to wait and see.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CEENcYEJdQa/?igshid=1s017u0qj4ee1
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Re: Royal Caribbean and Pullmantur disposals
« Reply #85 on: August 23, 2020, 09:59:08 PM »
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Re: Royal Caribbean and Pullmantur disposals
« Reply #86 on: August 24, 2020, 05:42:18 AM »
Hi,

Having been anchored at various points around the South coast of the UK, Majesty of the Seas left Dover with AIS showing destination as Valletta. Moving closer to the beach?

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Re: Royal Caribbean and Pullmantur disposals
« Reply #87 on: August 24, 2020, 01:56:46 PM »
Hi,

Having been anchored at various points around the South coast of the UK, Majesty of the Seas left Dover with AIS showing destination as Valletta. Moving closer to the beach?

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Majesty of the Seas will head to Valetta, Malta to join Empress of the Seas. They're likely going to join Majesty's sister ships Sovereign and Monarch in Aliaga, Turkey after they unload all of their items.
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Re: Royal Caribbean and Pullmantur disposals
« Reply #88 on: August 30, 2020, 09:14:28 PM »
Majesty of the Seas is heading to Valetta, Malta to join Empress of the Seas and unload all of their items. They're likely going to join Majesty's sister ships and former Pullmantur vessels Sovereign and Monarch in Aliaga, Turkey.
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Re: Royal Caribbean and Pullmantur disposals
« Reply #89 on: September 01, 2020, 10:05:14 PM »
Grandeur of the Seas is going to remain with Royal Caribbean International after April 2021. RCI has confirmed that she will not be scrapped.

https://www.royalcaribbeanblog.com/2020/08/26/royal-caribbean-will-keep-grandeur-of-the-seas-the-fleet
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