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Site related news, functions and modules / Re: COPYRIGHT
« on: December 30, 2011, 02:15:25 PM »
What is the probability of financial gain and commercial benefit from a photograph uploaded on this website? I don't think that many of the over 1.2 million photographs in ShipSpotting have been sold for publication.
I don't have many ship photographs suitable for this website, but to set an example I uploaded one and released it under a Creative Commons licence. Now everyone can use it for any purpose as long as my name is mentioned.
I don't have many ship photographs suitable for this website, but to set an example I uploaded one and released it under a Creative Commons licence. Now everyone can use it for any purpose as long as my name is mentioned.
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Help and Advice / Re: Types of camera
« on: December 28, 2011, 10:59:12 AM »
Someone recommended Canon over Nikon, but I'd go the other way around because of better backwards compatibility. Canon changed the lens mount from FD to EF in the 90s, but Nikon has maintained the F mount since the 1950s. As a result you can buy cheap good-quality second hand telephoto lenses and accessories, and use them with your modern digital body. Of course you don't get all the functionality of modern lenses, such as autofocus and image stabilization, but in the end faraway ships are not known for their sudden movements. Also, you can use the same lenses with pretty neat old film bodies if you want.
As for digital media corruption, it's a common problem if you use low-quality blanks. It has happened to me. That's why we're moving towards clouds...
As for digital media corruption, it's a common problem if you use low-quality blanks. It has happened to me. That's why we're moving towards clouds...
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Site related news, functions and modules / Re: COPYRIGHT
« on: December 27, 2011, 03:37:13 AM »
There's is always the possibility of releasing all your photographs under suitable free licence, such as Creative Commons. Could you do it on this website e.g. by posting the information ("This photograph is released...") in the description?
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Shipping News and information / Re: Vale Beijing
« on: December 24, 2011, 04:41:33 PM »
Vale Dalian (IMO 9532525) has also been launched. The Chinese are catching up with the South Koreans.
Any info about the names of the upcoming ships?
Any info about the names of the upcoming ships?
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Shipping News and information / Re: Vale Beijing
« on: December 23, 2011, 08:44:00 PM »
Could it be possible to collect the news regarding the Vale Beijing and perhaps the Valemax vessels in general in a single thread instead of making a new one everytime something happens? It would make following the case and discussion about the topic much easier. Perhaps someone from the administration could combine the Valemax-related threads?
On a side note, according to DNV the Vale Beijing had suffered from six buckled web frames. What's the web frame spacing on those ships?
On a side note, according to DNV the Vale Beijing had suffered from six buckled web frames. What's the web frame spacing on those ships?
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Shipping News and information / Re: Searching for Lister (IMO 7924176)
« on: December 20, 2011, 07:11:52 AM »
*Bump*
Could someone with access to various online databases (e.g. Miramar, Fairplay archives) check what information, if any, they have about the Lister? It seems unlikely that there's no trace of her anywhere since the Gibraltar incident.
Equasis says her DNV class was withdrawn (survey overdue) and I also found her from the Internet Archive snapshot of the classification society's class suspension/withdrawal list. According to ShipSpotting she has dual class (DNV and BV), but she's not in the VeriSTAR database.
Could someone with access to various online databases (e.g. Miramar, Fairplay archives) check what information, if any, they have about the Lister? It seems unlikely that there's no trace of her anywhere since the Gibraltar incident.
Equasis says her DNV class was withdrawn (survey overdue) and I also found her from the Internet Archive snapshot of the classification society's class suspension/withdrawal list. According to ShipSpotting she has dual class (DNV and BV), but she's not in the VeriSTAR database.
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Shipping News and information / Re: Vale Rio de Janeiro Begins Loading Today!
« on: December 20, 2011, 07:06:29 AM »
I wonder if they are going easy with the loading, perhaps with a lower loading rate, until they find out why Vale Beijing was damaged during loading...
Of course both Vale Rio de Janeiro and Vale Italia were built by DSME, which already has a good track record with Vale Brasil, while the ill-fated Beijing was built by STX. Rongsheng-built Vale China is another "wild card", being the first of her kind.
There are some external differences between the Valemax ships built in different shipyards, not to mention Berge's 388,000 DWT VLOCs that are apparently also referred to as Valemax vessels as they have been chartered by Vale, but it would be interesting to see some in-depth comparison between the different ships, e.g. steel drawings and strength calculations.
Of course both Vale Rio de Janeiro and Vale Italia were built by DSME, which already has a good track record with Vale Brasil, while the ill-fated Beijing was built by STX. Rongsheng-built Vale China is another "wild card", being the first of her kind.
There are some external differences between the Valemax ships built in different shipyards, not to mention Berge's 388,000 DWT VLOCs that are apparently also referred to as Valemax vessels as they have been chartered by Vale, but it would be interesting to see some in-depth comparison between the different ships, e.g. steel drawings and strength calculations.
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Shipping News and information / Re: Bombshell! Vale: No More Ships! - Vale Beijing going to Rotterdam!
« on: December 16, 2011, 09:11:57 AM »
I too have heard horror stories about Chinese-built ships. For example a decade or so ago a shipping company ordered a number of products tankers that, once delivered, spent weeks or months in a western ship repair yard due to hairline cracks in the cargo tanks. Still, they were cheaper than their European-built counterparts. Also, a Chinese-built ro-ro ship I visited had many minor issues that made life and working inconvenient, and the overall appearance was kind of shabby...
Anyway, one should not forget that the Vale Beijing was built in South Korea, not China, and the Jiangsu Rongsheng-built Vale China has not reported structural damage. Of course this does not mean that the reason for the failure can not be an error made during the construction of the vessel. Also, since it's a prototype, it could also be a design error that must be fixed to the next STX-built Valemaxes.
As for loading error, I don't think Vale made a mistake - they do have enough experience of loading VLOCs and breaking them in two. However, the loading plan might have been incorrect to begin with and, as you said, there's always the human punching in the numbers.
Anyway, one should not forget that the Vale Beijing was built in South Korea, not China, and the Jiangsu Rongsheng-built Vale China has not reported structural damage. Of course this does not mean that the reason for the failure can not be an error made during the construction of the vessel. Also, since it's a prototype, it could also be a design error that must be fixed to the next STX-built Valemaxes.
As for loading error, I don't think Vale made a mistake - they do have enough experience of loading VLOCs and breaking them in two. However, the loading plan might have been incorrect to begin with and, as you said, there's always the human punching in the numbers.
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Shipping News and information / Re: Bombshell! Vale: No More Ships! - Vale Beijing going to Rotterdam!
« on: December 15, 2011, 11:44:51 PM »
Mats has a point. A Valemax ship can carry some 10,000 tons of fuel which, while surely a potential environmental disaster, is nothing when compared to tankers. While I do not know where the fuel tanks are located, I would assume that they are not evenly distributed along the length of the hull, meaning that a typical structural damage of a VLOC (grounding, hull girder failure) would not rupture them. However, what happens when a fully-laden VLCC breaks in two...
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Shipping News and information / Re: Bombshell! Vale: No More Ships! - Vale Beijing going to Rotterdam!
« on: December 15, 2011, 08:32:23 PM »But personally I think they reached areas in ships sizes as in the 70,s with the tankers, when everybody thought bigger, bigger, BIGGER,,BIGGEST !!!! and suddenly they broke and everybody wondered.
If I recall correctly, none of the 370+ m ships on the list of world's longest ships suffered major structural failures and sailed to the scrapyard in one piece. However, there might have been some smaller problems that were not widely reported - mind shedding some light on them if you can recall any?
While it would be nice to go to smaller ships (yay, more ships!), I guess the economy of scale will become more and more important in the future and we'll see even bigger ships. I don't think safety will be an issue as long as we make sure the ships are built as they are designed.
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Shipping News and information / Searching for Lister (IMO 7924176)
« on: December 11, 2011, 10:48:29 AM »
I've been trying to track down LISTER (ex-VIKLA, ex-VIKLAND), an 8,288 DWT product tanker built in 1982 (Valmet Oy, Vuosaari shipyard, Finland).
http://www.shipspotting.com/gallery/photo_search.php?imo=7924176
According to Equasis she was detained in Gibraltar for 76 days and later put on auction. Equasis further states that she was sold to an undisclosed buyer in 2010 and is currently "in service/commission" with an unknown flag. The promising Marinetraffic links in Google end up in an unrelated bulk carrier.
I would suspect that she has been sold for recycling considering the age and condition of the vessel, but I could not find any definite proof.
Does anyone here have any idea where this former Neste/Fortum tanker ended up? I would like to keep the list of ships built in Vuosaari up-to-date.
http://www.shipspotting.com/gallery/photo_search.php?imo=7924176
According to Equasis she was detained in Gibraltar for 76 days and later put on auction. Equasis further states that she was sold to an undisclosed buyer in 2010 and is currently "in service/commission" with an unknown flag. The promising Marinetraffic links in Google end up in an unrelated bulk carrier.
I would suspect that she has been sold for recycling considering the age and condition of the vessel, but I could not find any definite proof.
Does anyone here have any idea where this former Neste/Fortum tanker ended up? I would like to keep the list of ships built in Vuosaari up-to-date.
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