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Shipspotters all over the world => Help and Advice => Topic started by: gwrdave on September 07, 2022, 12:58:17 AM
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Can any body help with my Miramar subscription, as I live in New Zealand I have an option of paying by direct credit from my account to a NZ Bank account, this has worked in the past. I informed via email to [email protected] that I had done so. So far after several emails my subscription has run out and am unable to contact Miramar at their address to see what's happening. Does any body know if this is the correct email address or how I can contact them.
Thanks in advance,
Dave Gallie (gwrdave)
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G'Day Dave,
I don't have any details, but I believe that Rodger who runs Miramar recently passed away. I would hope that someone will take over, but it may take a little while to sort out.
Cheers,
tropic
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That is very sad news, Miramar has been a mainstay in maritime research so for many years. Hope there will be a solution for the estate.
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Hi Dave and community
Sad to confirm Rodger did pass away 25.8 (I'll send you the bereavement details seperately Dave) aged 80, and funeral 2.9.
The matter of continuation is unclear, no clear successor but some well intentioned associates will see how can be maintained. Understand Rodger had a whole room of Lloyds Registers so as well as new stuff, the old stuff was being attended to.
He was quite a gentleman and his endeavours were well supported by his wife Marion, who coincidentally had previously been married to another kiwi shipping historian and stalwart Paddy Leahy, whose shipping notes provide an encyclopaedic New Zealand shipping history from post-ww2 war years to the 1990's when he passed away way too young (56).
I must be one of many to make good use of the Miramar site and the worst case scenario is not wanted to be contemplated, but Rodger's passion will be hard to replicate.
Its a case of awaiting further developments for now and pleasing to note site still functioning as usual.
Cheers
Brent
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Apologies, I had not passed on the update.
One last list of amendments Roger had started were posted and there will be no further uploads.
The family will maintain the site while they still have subscriptions to see out. For continued use of the database the best option will be to purchase the cd version before the site closes.
Cheers
Brent
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Hi Brent,
Thanks for the update. It is quite ominous to read that there are plans to close the site. Does that mean that the site will not be accessible any more, or just that the final update will result in the finale version of the site?
Cheers
Pieter
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Hi Peter
I have heard nothing further on its future, maybe repeating myself but the family wants to honour current paid subscriptions as best they can and will keep it going for now. They would be aware some such as mine are multi-year but certainly won't be any work on it after uploading the last of Rodgers file updates. After that is uncertain and always risk of any major site failure not being fixed, so has been recommended to me buy the cd that the site advertises to at least have copy of the current records
Cheers
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Thanks Brent, my subscriptions run until April, so there is some time to consider what to do.
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oh dear that is really sad! I love that database and was in touch with Rodger quite a few times.
My condolences to his family and I hope someone will find a way to keep the database running.
Sound like a plan to order a CD indeed before everything is closed.
Best,
Ralph
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Wonder of somebody can help. I was sorry to hear about Rodger.
I paid $50 for a disk as suggested on here. That was over a month ago. Not received any disk or heard anything from the family.
Does anybody know if they are being sent out? My payment through on my credit card.
Thanks.
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From the website:
Rodger founded the
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I made the annual payment to Miramar in the last years for me and on behalf of 2 friends with my credit card.
Then contacted Rodger by mail, asking to assign the 3 payment to our 3 german accounts, within 1 or 2 days he followed my request.
On beginning of this January I made the same procedure, but after several eMails to [email protected] there was no answer from Miramar.
Then I saw that Rodger has passed away in September 22 and that his stepson will continue the site.
I hope he will do before the accounts of my friends will expire. My account is now valid until 26. January 2026.
When the payments were not assigned to the 2 accounts of my friends I will give them the log-in-datas for my account so that they can use Miramar for another year.
A very confused situation.
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Does this mean if I renew my subscription (due next month) I will still be able to access the site albeit without any more updates?
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From what we understood the site will be taken offline after all the subscriptions have expired.
What remains is the option to but the database on CDRom, with last update made in August 2022.
My subscription will expire in April, so by that I will probably have bought a copy.
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Hi - I sent for the disk (and paid) last October. Nothing received, or any communication.
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Hi - I sent for the disk (and paid) last October. Nothing received, or any communication.
From what I understood they are in a bit of a backlog/mess, understandable, as Rodger was kind of a one man band. I think patience is the word.
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@Geoffrey
Thanks, very important info. So I will contact PayPal to reclaim my payments.
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From what we understood the site will be taken offline after all the subscriptions have expired.
What remains is the option to but the database on CDRom, with last update made in August 2022.
My subscription will expire in April, so by that I will probably have bought a copy.
Thanks Pieter, i'll probably buy the CD
Regards
bob
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I ordered and paid for a CD in November. It still hasn't arrived.
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There are some members here in the forum who are close enough to the Haworth family to ask for a clarification. I am confident that in the end everybody will get his disc.
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I have send a PM to Tony d.L. and asked for help/assistance.
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I have send a PM to Tony d.L. and asked for help/assistance.
Brent Hansen, see page one of this topic, will may be able to help as well.
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welcome back..
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I have just received a notification from Miramar that my subscription expires in a week and that I should renew it. Am I right in thinking that this is an automatically created message and I should ignore it?
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I have just received a notification from Miramar that my subscription expires in a week and that I should renew it. Am I right in thinking that this is an automatically created message and I should ignore it?
99% yes
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Thankyou. I thought I should ask in case I had missed some new development.
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After at least 10 eMails to [email protected] within the last 3 weeks I have sent letter to
The Miramar Ship Index, 49 Strathavon Road, Miramar, Wellington 6022, New Zealand
I told the stepson that I first try to reclaim the 3 payments via PayPal, if there is no success I will report the whole issue to the Wellington Police Departement, I hope they con get in contact to the stepson Mr. Leahy.
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Miraflores
Please keep in mind that the heirs of Miramar have lost somebody dear to them, your (potential) monetary loss is futile compared their loss. Rodger Haworth was in total control of his business and acted quite individually. For those he has left behind there is a lot to sort out. Threatening with the police shows a complete lack of compassion.
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The minimum I want ist to answer the eMails, if they will not or cannot handle the site they have to switch ist off.
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The minimum I want ist to answer the eMails, if they will not or cannot handle the site they have to switch ist off.
Perhaps you are not the only one sending emails.... the message has been clear, the site will stay open until all subscriptions have ended. Then it will be shut off for ever. As the owner passed away sometime during August (I believe) there is a long time for the heirs to sort things out, (together with other things that can be associated with the passing of an individual) so patience is the word. I am sure that will also be the reply you will get from the Wellington police.
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I have paid $ 75 US for 3 accounts about 1 month ago. 2 Accounts got a warning that accounts will expire on 26. January, but there is a payment.
So if 2 Accounts expire and the payment will not been paid back they have a problem.
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From the Miramar Website:
The
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@Pieter Melissen
I have very well read and understood what is written under Miramar-News, there is no need for you to try to explain it to me again.
But it seems that you have not understood what is the problem
ON-BEHALF OF PAYMENTS
If you wish to pay a subscription on someone else's behalf, contact MSI by email first
Because I wanted to make 2 payments for 2 friends I tried to contact Miramar several times, without success, and then I made the mistake to make 3 payments for me and my friends with credit card.
My account is valid until January 2026, but the other 2 will expire in the next days, why?
Because Miramar does not read eMails and does not check their bank account for incomin money transfer.
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Miraflores
So several months after the passing of Miramar's owner and sole operator you tried to contact him with something that needed careful attention. The family was in disarray when you tried to contact them and repeated your messages several times. Reading your messages here and now also directly to me I can imagine that they may not have liked your tone and put you at the end of the queue to deal with. But it will surely make you feel more comfortable that I am no longer feeling inclined to help you in any way.
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@Pieter Melissen
I have never asked you for help and I would never need it, I am old enough to help myself.
And I have a solution what I can and will do.
But one question: Do you have a Miramar-Account? If yes please let us know how you made the the payment, how you got in contact with the Haworth family, if you have no account you should be very quiet.
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Miraflores
I have been subscribing to Miramar the for the past eight years or so, I had some pay-pal problems five years ago, but these were solved in direct contact with Rodger. I never had any problems contacting him and my current annual subscription will expire in April. By that time I will have bought a disc.
I have also helped Rodger in the past with ships that he had missed in his database, although he never asked for it and was old enough to help himself. He did, however, appreciate my assistance.
If your solution will solve the problems, are you willing to share it with us?
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are you willing to share it with us?
Never
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My account expired today and I am now denied access. Meanwhile I am still waiting for the CD I ordered and paid for in November.
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Seems to me some on here have no respect for the fact that this situation came about because someone died.
Perhaps Roger's family have many other things to sort out, Miramar just being one of many.
If they read some of the comments on here, they could be forgiven for just closing the site down, and walking away.
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@simonwp: presumably you haven't paid Miramar any money recently.
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@simonwp: presumably you haven't paid Miramar any money recently.
is that sufficient reason to throw all decency out of the window?
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No, but some decency does tend to go out of the window when people are paying money for things that don't materialise. Miramar was in fact a business.
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No, but some decency does tend to go out of the window when people are paying money for things that don't materialise. Miramar was in fact a business.
and yet it will not stop me ordering a disc when my time comes...
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No, but some decency does tend to go out of the window when people are paying money for things that don't materialise. Miramar was in fact a business.
and yet it will not stop me ordering a disc when my time comes...
I've paid my subscription, when it runs out, that will be it. Rodger's family are trying to do the right thing, it would have been very easy to have just shut it down.
Personally, I would have just shrugged my shoulders and taken it as the luck of the draw.
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Hi guys,
my account expired 20.01.2023.
But got a mail from Miramar one week before to renew my account.
I did so and I have no problem to log-in. It works.
I also ordered a CD last year but didn't receive it up to now.
I sent a mail with my postal address to clarify where they should send the CD.
I'll wait and see.
Regards
Holger
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Also got a renewal email, does this keep the account open?
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Yes it does, done it 5 days ago, works as usual. ;D
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I feel disinclined to renew my subscription when the database is no longer being updated and while I am still waiting for the CD ROM for which I paid
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I renewed my subscription a few days ago and Miramar works as normal, thanks Manfred and Holger.
Still a good reference site even if its not being updated any more.
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Has anyone ordered and received a CD/ROM yet?
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Has anyone ordered and received a CD/ROM yet or received any communication whatsoever from Miramar?
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Hi all,
I have received an update on the Miramar situation from Wendy Leahy - Rodger's stepdaughter.
Wendy has given me permission to share her message with the Ship Spotting forum:
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Thanks Tobias for this update.
For me it proves all those wrong who lost their faith in any positive developments regarding Miramar.
I renewed my subscription 4 days ago, and also ordered a disc. Now with this message around, I am not in a hurry to receive the disc.
And thanks Wendy for allowing the news to be shared here.
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All it needed was a little patience and understanding........it sounds like it's been a difficult period for Roger's family, but everything is well on the way to being sorted now.
I've renewed my subscription without any problems, and am just grateful that the intention is to keep the website open.
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I was wondering has anyone has received a disk.
I know the Miramar site is still operational but a disk would be handy.
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I have ordered one, when I renewed my subscription. As there will be nothing additional on the disc compared to what I can access now, the urgency to receive a copy is not great. In case the website stays accessible, I doubt I would ever use a disc at any time.
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I received my disc. It is Microsoft Access, which I already use. It is useful in that it can be updated. I also renewed my sub to the website, which is much easier to use than the disc. However, if the website ends I have all its info at hand.
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Great news Bob, thanks for letting us know.
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Hello Dave, I am new to shipspotting so I don't know if this an appropriate way to contact you. I am wishing to get your permission to use a photo you took of the Resurgence Express IMO5238585 at Auckland in 1977. Two years later I travelled on the ship from Melbourne to Durban, SA. It was the beginning of a two year journey through Africa during which a kept a diary that I now wish to publish. I would love to include your photo to help me illustrate the first leg of my travels. Please reply whether your answer be yes or no.
Yours sincerely David Carr, Melbourne.
PS For 6 months I traveled a kiwi from your area, Kevin McKindly Willison, maybe you know him. Lives now in Fitzroy.