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Shipspotters all over the world => Shipping News and information => Topic started by: PHa on April 16, 2014, 07:21:37 AM
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Most updated info here. Chronology of event below hash line.
This is accurate as of 16:00 KST (07:00 GMT).
179 rescued (including 77 high school students).
2 dead
~290 unaccounted for
340+ commandos from Army/Navy/Coast Guard all working on getting to possible survivors trapped in completely submerged ferry. Even if they manage to get survivors, the water is so cold (10 degrees C / 50 degrees F) that they need to be airlifted promptly.
We pretty much have to expect the worst as it's almost 5 hours since capsizing. You are expected to survive 2-3 hours in water this cold.
The 6.825-ton ferry, identified as the "SEWOL", had 477 on board: 30 crew and 447 passengers including 324 high school students and 10 teachers on a field trip. It also carried ~180 vehicles and 1157 tons of cargo. The ferry departed from Incheon on route to Jeju Island. The ferry was going through fog and hit the reef at 09:00 KST. It immediately started to lean onto its left side. The ferry completely capsized at 11:20 KST. It is now known that the departure had been delayed due to fog.
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BY JACK KIM AND CHOONSIK YOO (Reuters)
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293 saved
164 unaccounted for
2 dead
Info as of 16:30 LT, source: KBS News
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Actual photos from the scene:
http://www.spiegel.de/fotostrecke/faehre-vor-suedkorea-gekentert-fotostrecke-113496.html
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This is very sad.
May their soul Rest in Peace.
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293 saved
164 unaccounted for
2 dead
Info as of 16:30 LT, source: KBS News
Bad mistake on my part: it is the other way around, 293 unaccounted for, 164 saved. The news say that there are people trapped inside the ship. I hope the numbers will again be wrong, and that this will not be the worst maritime disaster in Korea since 1970.
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Former FERRY NAMINOUE - IMO 9608348 ? ?
http://www.shipspotting.com/gallery/photo.php?lid=1889705
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No. Ferry Naminoue was built in 2013, and Sewol in 1994.
So, they are 20 years apart, at least if you consult Equasis.
Both are Japanese built, and I guess that outside stairway can be confusing.
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Yes, SEWOL was former FERRY NAMINOUE. But the previous one, IMO 9105205.
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What caused this, perhaps a ballast malfunction?
R.I.P.
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As I see it, one conceivable reason for this incident is that of the ferry striking a rocky outcrop which it slid past in titanic or costa concordia fashion which opened up the lower decks to water ingress. This in turn lead to a loss of stability, an angle of loll and rolling to port. Of course there has been talk of ballasting and if they attempted to counteract a list then this would cause or may cause the vessel to roll the opposite way. From what has been currently seen above water before the vessel submerged leaving only the bulb above water there didnt appear to be grounding (striking) damage along the starboard bilge (although it maybe further aft given the way the vessel sank). I cannot at this time imagine another scenario-- but at this stage no one has discussed the hull condition. These vessels are floating deathtraps and if one takes the Herald of Free Enterprise as a starting point, one can count the accidents on an annual basis.. What has Class done, what has IMO done-- nothing if not much!! Time for a real change in design not a load of yes sir no sir politically commercial nonsense! If it was an airliner they would have done something years and years ago!!My thoughts go out to those who lost their lives in a miserable fashion thanks to the totally inadequate understanding of safety aboard the vessel by the employees responsible and to the families that lost their children and others. Nothing changes in this industry!!
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Just been watching the BBC news (Thurs, 6pm) about this awful event - but was dumbstruck to hear the BBC's science reporter telling the world that a ferry's critical angle of heel is 5% . . imagine that . .
What is average large ferry's maximum safe inclination? I have no idea, and would be fascinated to know.
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Seems very odd comment. But that is exactly what he said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/tv/bbcone/live report starts at 1802 (ie first story).
IMO rules on intact stability for passenger ships require maximum 10
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Odd, isn't it? 10% for a passenger vessel as a result of steering actions seems appropriate for a vessel carrying passengers, but I've certainly been aboard quite large vessels rolling rather more than that!
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Odd, isn't it? 10% for a passenger vessel as a result of steering actions seems appropriate for a vessel carrying passengers, but I've certainly been aboard quite large vessels rolling rather more than that!
Rolling or heeling due to steering action?
Also, 3.1.2.6. says "...when calculated using the following formula" which gives the heeling moment at which the angle of heel shall not be more than 10 degrees. That does not necessarily mean that the ship can't heel more during maneuvering.
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Remember Costa Concordia and that Korean newlywed couple saved from their cabin the day after the grounding?
They were told to "go to their cabin". So they did.
So did the children on the Sewol when they were told to "stay put". They were used to obey orders, not to question them, even against their better judgement.
Situation on the Sewol did NOT escalate incredibly quickly after the initial incident. Survivors said they were waiting "30 to 40 minutes". Until the moment the "rolling cargo" on vehicle deck shifted, and then it was too late for anything.
Safety drills involving passengers on Korean ferries do not exist (I've taken Korea-Japan ferries dozens of times). They do, however, broadcast over PA that "passenger safety is of our main concern", but it is up to passengers themselves to familiarize themselves with muster stations/safety equipment.
Anyway, we are still to learn about the cause of the sinking, but the loss of life was entirely preventable, IMHO.
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Sounds exactly right to me, Lappino.
It sounds like many of the passengers who are presently missing, but who we can assume have died, might have been rescued, had the ship's procedures been better.
Whenever you travel by sea or air, you are so often either misinformed or poorly informed by service operators - isn't about time that a culture of telling passengers at least a reasonable level of the truth became standard?
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The problem is that if you make safety briefings too long winded or involved then passengers will 'switch off' and take even less notice than they do now - which isn't much.
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Certainly right there, JIm. But I'm thinking more of during the problem period - i.e. on the couple of times I've had serious airport delays, and couldn't get a straight response from the airline or the airport handling agent. I also sailed aboard a ferry, company nameless, where I interviewed the Captain outbound, but couldn't get any sense out of ship staff when she started doing bad weather circling outside Dover . . . It's crisis communication with passengers that could save lives and reduce problems if handled better.
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Absolutely agree, what we need is much more properly trained staff to deal with such things together with an alternate command structure should one fail. At the moment so many merely do a cursory lifeboat ticket (or whatever its called now) with very little training in realistic emergency/abandonment scenarios.
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@ James
I fully understand what you mean, with more training and possible better real scenario training etc,,but one thing is absolutely not possible to train,,WHAT the reaction in an emergency will be with peoples !!!
Some peoples stay totally calm,,even with adrenaline pumping out their ears (I am one like that, proven in an emergency reality in 2009 and in the course of my career in a few other situations)Some others go in lock down mode, like in the 2009 situation mentioned above,,all peoples aboard functioned good, but the one who did not was the Chief-Officer,,he was total wacked out !!!
And such things you can not train.
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Latest news coming out is that the captain of that ferry has been arrested for negligence of duty and violation of maritime law. Also, the divers are finding it very difficult to find the still missing 268 people due to low visibility and strong currents. UPDATE (http://logpedia.com/innerpage_shipping-news.php?id=46073&article=36&news=7#.U1IY9vmSw9Q)
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Michael Grey has a good memory and writes:
" A sudden shift of cargo after the helm had been put hard over? Perhaps some of the vehicles carried away and even penetrated the ship
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Michael Grey has a good memory and writes:
" A sudden shift of cargo after the helm had been put hard over? Perhaps some of the vehicles carried away and even penetrated the ship
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Ah well. The messenger feels shot!!
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Ah well. The messenger feels shot!!
I wasn't aiming for you... ;)
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(CNN) -- The following is a partial transcript of communication between an unidentified crew member aboard the sinking South Korean ferry Sewol and local maritime traffic control centers on Wednesday.
The discussion lasts more than 30 minutes. For the first 11 minutes the Sewol communicates with the Jeju Vessel Traffic Services Center. After that, the ship communicates with the Jindo Vessel Traffic Services Center. There are references to other nearby ships, which are redacted.
The transcript, translated by CNN, was provided by the South Korean government. Due to static, CNN could not hear parts of the audio recording to corroborate the transcript.
8:55 a.m.
Divers continue to search sunken ferry
Children's bodies recovered from ferry
Sewol: Harbor affairs Jeju, do you have reception of Sewol?
Jeju Vessel Traffic Services Center: Yes, Sewol, this is Harbor Affairs Jeju.
Sewol: Please notify the coast guard. Our ship is in danger. The ship is rolling right now.
8:56 a.m.
Jeju Vessel Traffic Services Center: Where is your ship? Yes, OK. We will notify the coast guard.
Sewol: The ship rolled over a lot right now. Cannot move. Please come quickly. We're next to Byeongpung Island.
Jeju Vessel Traffic Services Center: Yes, understood.
8:58 a.m.
Jeju Vessel Traffic Services Center: Sewol, this is Harbor Affairs Jeju. Do you have reception? Sewol, this is Harbor Affairs Jeju.
8:59 a.m.
Sewol: Harbor Affairs Jeju, this is Sewol.
Jeju Vessel Traffic Services Center: Sewol, this is Harbor Affairs Jeju. Channel 21, please.
9:00 a.m.
Jeju Vessel Traffic Services Center: What's the current situation?
Sewol: Currently, the body of the ship is tilted to the left. Containers fell over, too.
Jeju Vessel Traffic Services Center: OK. There are no damages to people?
Sewol: Currently, it's impossible to confirm. It is impossible to move as the body of the ship is tilted.
Jeju Vessel Traffic Services Center: Yes, OK. Please put on the life vests and get ready as people may have to abandon ship.
South Korea Ferry death toll climbs
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Mom: 'I want to jump in the sea'
Sewol: It is hard for people to move.
Jeju Vessel Traffic Services Center: Yes, OK.
9:05 a.m.
Sewol: Harbor Affairs Jeju, do you have reception of Sewol?
Jeju Vessel Traffic Services Center: Yes, this is Harbor Affairs Jeju, Sewol.
Sewol: What's going on with the coast guard?
Jeju Vessel Traffic Services Center: Yes, we just notified the coast guard. We are in the middle of conversation with Jindo VTS and Wando VTS. So please hold for a moment.
(The vessel then speaks with the communications tower at a closer location, in Jindo.)
9:06 a.m.
Jindo Vessel Traffic Services Center: Sewol do you copy? Sewol do you copy? ...Sewol, Sewol, this is Jindo VTS.
9:07 a.m.
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Sewol: Jindo VTS, this is Sewol.
Jindo Vessel Traffic Services Center: Sewol, this is Jindo VTS. Are you sinking?
Sewol: Yes. (We are sinking.) Please send the coast guard as soon as possible.
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9:10 a.m.
S. Korea ferry captain defends actions
Outrage grows after ferry sinks
Concordia survivors compare experiences
Ferry Captain charged with negligence
Sewol: Jindo VTS, this is Sewol.
Jindo Vessel Traffic Services Center: This is Jindo VTS.
Sewol: Our ship is listing and may fall.
Jindo Vessel Traffic Services Center: How are the passengers doing?...
9:12 a.m.
Jindo Vessel Traffic Services Center: Sewol, this is Jindo VTS. Did the passengers board life raft or rescue boats?
Sewol: No, they haven't yet. They can't move because the vessel has listed.
9:13 a.m.
Jindo Vessel Traffic Services Center: How many passengers?
Sewol: There are 450. About 500... Please hurry up.
9:14 a.m.
Jindo Vessel Traffic Services Center: We are reaching out to nearby fishing boats. ...Please approach as quick as possible. Please actively cooperate in rescue operation. ...Are the passengers able to escape?
Sewol: The ship listed too much so it is impossible.
9:17 a.m.
Jindo Vessel Traffic Services Center: Sewol, this is Jindo VTS, do you copy? How is the flooded condition?
Sewol: It is listed more than 50 degrees to the port side and people are not able to move from left to right. We've alerted the crew members to wear life jacket and wait. It is impossible to confirm whether or not they wore (life jackets). Crew members are at the bridge and are unable to move. Please hurry.
9:18 a.m.
Jindo Vessel Traffic Services Center: Roger that. How is the flooded situation?
Sewol: It cannot be confirmed either. We confirmed that several containers on the deck fell, but because we cannot move, we cannot move even by one step from the bridge, we are able to stand by holding onto the wall.
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9:23 a.m.
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Jindo Vessel Traffic Services Center: Patrol boat ETA is 15 minutes. Please broadcast and tell the passengers to wear life jackets.
Sewol: We are unable to broadcast.
9:24 a.m.
Jindo Vessel Traffic Services Center: Even if you can't broadcast, please send someone to inform the passengers to wear life jacket or thick clothes.
Sewol: If passengers escape from the ship, will they be rescued immediately?
Jindo Vessel Traffic Services Center: Dispatch the lift ring. Quickly!
9:25 a.m.
Jindo Vessel Traffic Services Center: The captain should make decision to make people escape. We do not know the situation so captain make final decision on passengers' escape.
9:26 a.m.
Sewol: That's not what I meant. If passengers escape, can they be immediately rescued?
Jindo Vessel Traffic Services Center: Patrol ship should arrive in 10 minutes.
Sewol: 10 minutes?
Jindo Vessel Traffic Services Center: Yes 10 minutes! 10 minutes!
9:27 a.m.
Jindo Vessel Traffic Services Center: Sewol, a helicopter will arrive in one minute.
Sewol: I can't hear very well. Please repeat again clearly.
Jindo Vessel Traffic Services Center: A helicopter will arrive in one minute.
Sewol: Repeat what you just said.
Jindo Vessel Traffic Services Center: A helicopter will arrive soon.
9:28 a.m.
Sewol: There are too many passengers. A helicopter may not be enough.
9:37 a.m.
Jindo Vessel Traffic Services Center: Sewol, Sewol, this is Jindo VTS.
Sewol: This is Sewol. Sewol.
Jindo Vessel Traffic Services Center: What's the flood situation like?
Sewol: It is not possible to confirm the flood situation. Coast guards and fishing ships approached by 50 meters and those who are on the port side escaped. We sent out broadcast and it is not easy to move toward the port side.
Jindo Vessel Traffic Services Center: Copy that.
Sewol: The ship is listed 60 degrees to the port side. Now there are aircraft and coast guards.
9:38 a.m.
Transmission ends
Source: CNN
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A news website has reported that the ferry excessive commercial cargo loaded.
The ferry can only load cargo of less than a thousand tons, but according to the inspection data released over 3,600 tons of cargo including 180 vehicles were on board the sunken ferry.
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See also following re probably lack of freight vehicle lashing.
http://www.arirang.co.kr/News/News_View.asp?nseq=161366
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Now after this incident the Koreans have vowed to overhaul their shipping industry. DETAILS (http://logpedia.com/innerpage_shipping-news.php?id=47421&article=36&news=7)
All 15 crew members involved in navigating the Sewol survived the sinking and all have been arrested.
Just because of the recklessness of a few people so many people lost their lives !!
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4 crew members of the sunken ferry has been charged with Homicide.
FULL STORY (http://logpedia.com/innerpage_shipping-news.php?id=50300&article=36&news=7#.U3SNSfmSxws)
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A pathologist