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Shipping News and information / Re: Miramar Ship Index
« on: April 27, 2015, 08:52:29 PM »
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Shipping News and information / Re: End of an era of former "Dutch Glory"?
« on: March 05, 2015, 10:45:35 PM »
My earlier comments concerned "Salvage Titan"(IMO 7522136) ex "Hua An" ex "Smit New York".
She's the only remaining survivor.
She's the only remaining survivor.
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Shipping News and information / Re: End of an era of former "Dutch Glory"?
« on: March 01, 2015, 10:41:32 PM »
She's active. Next survey due July 2016. She may survive till then ....
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Site related news, functions and modules / Re: It is really disapointing.....
« on: November 28, 2014, 03:08:10 PM »
Simonwp I did not refer to you as an inexperienced shipspotter. I referred to Ken Smith who quoted a statement by an inexperienced shipspotter as a prime example how we should behave. Read before you write please....
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Site related news, functions and modules / Re: It is really disapointing.....
« on: November 27, 2014, 07:26:45 PM »
A lot of contributors to this thread seem to think this argument is about deletions.
They're wrong. The argument is about the way members are treated these days.
It includes deletions, but the problem does not stop there.
I've been a member of this site from the beginning. I've experienced good times and bad times, contributed financially to it's survival and in the process uploaded almost 5,000 pictures, in conjunction with my fellow shipspotter Piero Corona.
He was responsible for unique pictures like scrapping in Chittagong, Suez Canal pictures and pictures in Lagos as well as Vietnam. I limited myself to the Rotterdam area where agents and port authorities were willing to assist. Sometimes the administrators did not particularly like certain pictures, but usually this would be resolved after consulting with the webmasters.
Last year, and in spite of the political upheaval in Egypt, Piero Corona managed to take a vast number of pictures at Suez. He had every right to be proud of this achievement. But then we were told these pictures were not welcome on the site. It had nothing to do with their quality, but only with the fact they were made in a politically unstable area.
After quite an argument with the webmaster we were allowed to upload them, but since then we've seen more and more deletions, to the point they started using ridiculous arguments. As an example, a Suez picture was deleted because of an obstructing lanternpole in the foreground.
The whole situation went from bad to worse and climaxed when pictures taken on board of the "Berge Everest" were deleted. That happened 5 minutes after I had logged out and in spite of 150 hits in their first half hour on the site. I did not complain on the forum at first, but voiced my dissatisfaction privately, to no avail. Only then did I go out on the forum.
In that thread, which was meanwhile removed by the webmaster, Phil English accused me of "abuse" and Ken Smith hailed a remark by a relatively unexperienced shipspotter as a prime example for all. After consulting with Piero Corona we decided to withdraw all our pictures which until then had received millions of hits.
This is the story. No more, no less. I have every right to ask if this is a site for the webmaster and his pals or for the benefit of a large number of shipspotters. And when I ask such a question I expect a decent reply without accusations of " abuse" from the administrators, censorship by the webmaster or being cursed at by other members. I am neither the first, nor the only member who is greatly annoyed by this attitude.
Robert Smith.
They're wrong. The argument is about the way members are treated these days.
It includes deletions, but the problem does not stop there.
I've been a member of this site from the beginning. I've experienced good times and bad times, contributed financially to it's survival and in the process uploaded almost 5,000 pictures, in conjunction with my fellow shipspotter Piero Corona.
He was responsible for unique pictures like scrapping in Chittagong, Suez Canal pictures and pictures in Lagos as well as Vietnam. I limited myself to the Rotterdam area where agents and port authorities were willing to assist. Sometimes the administrators did not particularly like certain pictures, but usually this would be resolved after consulting with the webmasters.
Last year, and in spite of the political upheaval in Egypt, Piero Corona managed to take a vast number of pictures at Suez. He had every right to be proud of this achievement. But then we were told these pictures were not welcome on the site. It had nothing to do with their quality, but only with the fact they were made in a politically unstable area.
After quite an argument with the webmaster we were allowed to upload them, but since then we've seen more and more deletions, to the point they started using ridiculous arguments. As an example, a Suez picture was deleted because of an obstructing lanternpole in the foreground.
The whole situation went from bad to worse and climaxed when pictures taken on board of the "Berge Everest" were deleted. That happened 5 minutes after I had logged out and in spite of 150 hits in their first half hour on the site. I did not complain on the forum at first, but voiced my dissatisfaction privately, to no avail. Only then did I go out on the forum.
In that thread, which was meanwhile removed by the webmaster, Phil English accused me of "abuse" and Ken Smith hailed a remark by a relatively unexperienced shipspotter as a prime example for all. After consulting with Piero Corona we decided to withdraw all our pictures which until then had received millions of hits.
This is the story. No more, no less. I have every right to ask if this is a site for the webmaster and his pals or for the benefit of a large number of shipspotters. And when I ask such a question I expect a decent reply without accusations of " abuse" from the administrators, censorship by the webmaster or being cursed at by other members. I am neither the first, nor the only member who is greatly annoyed by this attitude.
Robert Smith.
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Site related news, functions and modules / Re: It is really disapointing.....
« on: November 26, 2014, 09:08:45 PM »
Really Simonwp ?
Then please answer this:
Do you think it's normal that freedom of speech is curtailed by the webmaster ?
Do you think it's normal that administrators use the word "abuse" for a normally worded comment which contents they do not like ?
Do you think it's normal that the text in question is hidden by the webmaster to avoid embarassment ?
Do you think it's normal that members write: "Is it really so goddamn difficult?"
I suggest you think twice before you write such clumsy comments.
Then please answer this:
Do you think it's normal that freedom of speech is curtailed by the webmaster ?
Do you think it's normal that administrators use the word "abuse" for a normally worded comment which contents they do not like ?
Do you think it's normal that the text in question is hidden by the webmaster to avoid embarassment ?
Do you think it's normal that members write: "Is it really so goddamn difficult?"
I suggest you think twice before you write such clumsy comments.
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Site related news, functions and modules / Re: It is really disapointing.....
« on: November 26, 2014, 03:56:54 PM »
Disappointing ? The thread whereby admins spoke of "abuse by certain members" - who dared to voice their opinion - was meanwhile deleted by the webmaster from the site. The entry by Tomas containing a blatant abuse was allowed and probably also considered by the webmaster as "supportive". If this is the way Shipspotting is heading, then thanks, but no thanks. Please proceed without me.
Robert Smith.
Member since August 9th., 2005.
Robert Smith.
Member since August 9th., 2005.
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Shipping News and information / Re: Ship's deck
« on: November 15, 2014, 12:23:39 PM »
Thank you Ken. I'm not disgruntled but worried about the course this site has taken. I'll send you a PM shortly.
Kind regards,
Robert.
Kind regards,
Robert.
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Shipping News and information / Re: Ship's deck
« on: November 15, 2014, 07:32:33 AM »
Thank you Kyle.
If I understand well, the swimming pool picture would not qualify.
But this swimming pool picture was taken from Shipspotting.
The picture of the bulkcarrier was rejected by Shipspotting.
I'm lost. Can anybody explain why ?
Brgds,
Robert.
If I understand well, the swimming pool picture would not qualify.
But this swimming pool picture was taken from Shipspotting.
The picture of the bulkcarrier was rejected by Shipspotting.
I'm lost. Can anybody explain why ?
Brgds,
Robert.
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Shipping News and information / Ship's deck
« on: November 15, 2014, 12:07:15 AM »
One picture does not qualify as a ship's deck according to Shipspotting standards. Please guess which picture does not qualify ....
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Shipping News and information / Pictures Berge Everest deleted.
« on: November 13, 2014, 08:24:38 AM »
Finally managed to get access to the Berge Everest, courtesy owner, agents, officers and crew. They kindly allowed the taking of a large number of unique pictures on board. Half of them apparently do not live up to Shipspotting's quality standards although members showed a vivid interest. Never mind the trouble taken to obtain on board pictures in the first place, the admins decided within one hour they were no good. So regret to advise you I've also deleted the other half. This is particularly galling since the upload marked my 5000th. picture on the site. Having been a member of this site almost since the beginning, having experienced all the ups and downs, having contributed in the past to keep it alive, I've had enough.
Rgds,
Robert.
Rgds,
Robert.
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Shipping News and information / Re: Oasis of the Seas leaving Rotterdam
« on: October 18, 2014, 02:34:06 PM »
I don't agree to dumping practices as far as labour is concerned. But the owners will not be deterred by such a fine. Next job will be no doubt be carried out in another port were rules and regulations are not strictly enforced. That's my point altogether. Keppel-Verolme will be the biggest loser as well as local labour....
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Shipping News and information / Re: Oasis of the Seas leaving Rotterdam
« on: October 16, 2014, 09:05:35 PM »
Yes Malim, they did. And next, they refused working permits for 44 Philipino workers, forcing them to return back home. The fine is not for the benefit of the workers but for the benefit of the Dutch Labour authority.
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Shipping News and information / Re: Oasis of the Seas leaving Rotterdam
« on: October 15, 2014, 07:00:10 PM »
It'll probably the last time we've seen her in Rotterdam for repairs or otherwise.
Before allowing her departure, the Dutch labour authority fined the owners
Before allowing her departure, the Dutch labour authority fined the owners
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Shipping News and information / Re: End of an era of former "Dutch Glory"?
« on: October 08, 2014, 06:38:40 PM »
Hello Trader SA
As you can gather from this thread, which I started two years ago, there is a vivid interest in the fate of these tugs.So by all means, please do upload their pictures onto Shipspotting, preferably in the "scrapyard ships" category, for all to see.
Thank you very much !
As you can gather from this thread, which I started two years ago, there is a vivid interest in the fate of these tugs.So by all means, please do upload their pictures onto Shipspotting, preferably in the "scrapyard ships" category, for all to see.
Thank you very much !
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