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Shipspotters all over the world => Shipping News and information => Topic started by: Jacques Maillet on November 14, 2010, 02:00:28 PM
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Since they're being retired from Marine Atlantic service, I'm beginning to wonder where these wonderful vessels will end up in the immediate future. There's been speculation on where they're going, but no true details. Some speculate the ships are going to the German yards where the replacement ferries are built to be retrofitted to one of the ferries running on the Bay of Fundy service!! That's the only two speculations I've heard so far. Did anyone hear any more rumors floating around??
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I am hearing that the Port Of Yarmouth has shown interest in the Smallwood for the Bay of Fundy service. This is the first I have heard that Lloyd Werft may do the refit.
Kasco
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I even heard a rumor that the Caribou might run St.John to Digby!!
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I even heard a rumor that the Caribou might run St.John to Digby!!
I heard that too.
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I am hearing that the Port Of Yarmouth has shown interest in the Smallwood for the Bay of Fundy service. This is the first I have heard that Lloyd Werft may do the refit.
Kasco
She be good for that run.
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If the schedule remains the same it looks like November 28th will be the final crossing for the Caribou.Will be a sad day for sure.
Take Care
Jarrod
Please see link courtesy of The Gulf News-Port Aux Basques,Newfoundlans, Canada.
http://www.gulfnews.ca/News/2010-11-13/article-1960930/MV-Caribous-final-run-this-month/1
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That's making me wonder if the new flagship of the fleet would be the Atlantic Vision once these two vessels are decommissioned?? It would be nice if they purchase the ship outright after their initial 5 year charter!! It's looking like she's here to stay for awhile if they're re-flagging her Canadian in the next two years :)
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If the schedule remains the same it looks like November 28th will be the final crossing for the Caribou.Will be a sad day for sure.
Take Care
Jarrod
Please see link courtesy of The Gulf News-Port Aux Basques,Newfoundlans, Canada.
http://www.gulfnews.ca/News/2010-11-13/article-1960930/MV-Caribous-final-run-this-month/1
It will be a sad day for sure!! It will truely be an end to an era when the flagship of Marine Atlantic will be retired :(
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It may just be a good sign they are going to keep her beyond the 5 year charter.I hope they do keep her,I really like the Vision anyway.She will do well on the Argentia run...
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I did hear by 2012 all three ships will be reflagged Canadian. I also just read on our local VOCM news that the Caribou will be retired at the end of next week.
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Thanks for all the infos I got here from NFL and Marine Atlantic. Nice to be updated, what's happening over there in northern Canada. Here is a suggestions where I would like to have such a ferry to travel: Boston - Halifax ( I think there will be a few tourist that could use this route)
;D ;D ;D
Stefan
P.S.: Please provide us as soon as possible with infos about the future Newbuildings for Marine Atlantic.
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Sure is nice to hear that 2 new ferries will fly canadian flag & vision to be reflagged to canadian also. Don,t know who all you hourly posters are but we are supposed to have a jones act as such similar to usa that doesn,t allow foreign flagged vessels to trade between 2 canadian ports, but this has been abused & neglected by the federal authorities for years. I have nothing against cyprus or it,s people. or any other foreign country but, i think as a canadian i would love a ship running across cabot strait from nfld. to nova scotia to be flying canadian flag, & i,m sure mr. follett & all top executives of marine have had a lot of flack on this from union people as well as politicians & old seadogs like me to finally be proud canadians & get our flag back on these ships. Thank god someone in govt. is listening. Might not mean anything to you young people but i,m sure it does to a lot of older canadians, & especially an awful lot of the best seamen in the world that come from newfoundland
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It may just be a good sign they are going to keep her beyond the 5 year charter.I hope they do keep her,I really like the Vision anyway.She will do well on the Argentia run...
Me too, I actually liked the Atlantic Vision much more than the Gulfspan ships being retired!! The colors are more vivid and she's the quietest and most powerful vessel in the fleet!! I hope to sail on her on a day trip again next year and enjoy the buffet once more. :) But, I'll miss those Gulfspan ships as well since I traveled on both of them in the past (including the Smallwood this year).
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I don't know if MAI will build two similar, yet longer versions of these ships after the charter of the two Stena vessels are up?? It would be nice to see that in the future. :)
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I'd say the will end up buying both at end of charter :o) Bring back the Marine Nautica I say ;D
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I don't know I don't like the idea of the the open car deck on the new ferries.
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I don't know I don't like the idea of the the open car deck on the new ferries.
I don't like the idea of the open car deck either!! I would rather put my vehicle on my favorite ferry (the MV Atlantic Vision) anyway should I go to "the rock" again :)
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Since they're being retired from Marine Atlantic service, I'm beginning to wonder where these wonderful vessels will end up in the immediate future. There's been speculation on where they're going, but no true details. Some speculate the ships are going to the German yards where the replacement ferries are built to be retrofitted to one of the ferries running on the Bay of Fundy service!! That's the only two speculations I've heard so far. Did anyone hear any more rumors floating around??
My understanding..
They have been sold with first option to buy/charter when refitted ..
Its quite likly they well endup in Atlantic Canada or on the BC coast
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Caribou's Last Crossing- News story courtesy of The Cape Breton Post by JCollins.
NORTH SYDNEY
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Thx for the Info Jarrod.
That's going to be a sad day :'(
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Ive riden her hundreds of times,
I was in Port aux Basques harbor the day she was introduced to Newfoundland,and watched her cast off on her maiden voyage..Full dress, her mighty horns blowing,the thunderous sound of her mains taking on the pitch of her blades ,so proud,gracefully slipping out the harbour..
It would be nice if marine Atlantic would dress her once more..
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Ive riden her hundreds of times,
I was in Port aux Basques harbor the day she was introduced to Newfoundland,and watched her cast off on her maiden voyage..Full dress, her mighty horns blowing,the thunderous sound of her mains taking on the pitch of her blades ,so proud,gracefully slipping out the harbour..
It would be nice if marine Atlantic would dress her once more..
Ok cool. I love to see her dress up one more time too.
Kyle
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Just so you know
This is the general arrangement when dressing a ship..
(http://www.rlymyc.org.uk/More/images/flags.jpg)
(http://www.jproc.ca/rrp/rrp2/visual_dressing_ship.jpg)
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Caribou's Last Crossing- News story courtesy of The Cape Breton Post by JCollins.
NORTH SYDNEY
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Just so you know
This is the general arrangement when dressing a ship..
(http://www.rlymyc.org.uk/More/images/flags.jpg)
(http://www.jproc.ca/rrp/rrp2/visual_dressing_ship.jpg)
Yup she look good like that.
Kyle
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No chance of getting dressed...weather here is not that great ..windy..
Passed by the docks on the way home ..Smallwood still in for repairs..looks as though she's on shore power by the way she's lit up..
Ericson had just left port and was heading out, Caribou was making her 2nd last approach about 10 miles off ..
Any luck I'll finish work early enough Tomorrow and catch her on her last
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The saddest (and bittersweet) day has arrived at Marine Atlantic, the MV Caribou is to be retired today. :( I didn't want to see this day for another 20 years down the road, but, this is politics I guess. ??? I traveled on her twice (four times on her sister ship the MV Smallwood) and had a lot of wonderful memories of the former flagship of the fleet. Long may you run MV Caribou!!! 1986-2010
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The saddest (and bittersweet) day has arrived at Marine Atlantic, the MV Caribou is to be retired today. :( I didn't want to see this day for another 20 years down the road, but, this is politics I guess. ??? I traveled on her twice (four times on her sister ship the MV Smallwood) and had a lot of wonderful memories of the former flagship of the fleet. Long may you run MV Caribou!!! 1986-2010
Well said Jacques. :'(
MV Caribou!
1986-2010
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Here is a link to the gulf news story and a picture of her leaving today for her last trip from PAB to North Sydney.
http://www.gulfnews.ca/News/2010-11-26/article-1996856/Caribou-leaves-for-final-trip/1
Gordon
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Here is a link to the gulf news story and a picture of her leaving today for her last trip from PAB to North Sydney.
http://www.gulfnews.ca/News/2010-11-26/article-1996856/Caribou-leaves-for-final-trip/1
Gordon
Thx for the link Gordon. :)
Kyle
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Its done I guess ..Ericsson left and as she came along side gave Caribou a blast of her horns in Sydney harbour
Caribou made her approach.effortlessly and flawlessly..The police showed up ,first one ..with a little chatter on the radio they rolled in in force ..sirens screaming lights blazing.
In the lay down and honour guard had assembled,fire trucks and shunt trucks at the bottom of Caribou's ramps..Caribou gave a short blast of her Klaxon's and was responded by a deafening roar of sirens and air horns..she called back to her shore bound entourage..
Dressed in her name and call sign she slipped into the dock ..touched up at 5:30 pm ..on schedule..
Lines ashore ..her ramps lay down ,she delivered her final load..
passengers and vehicles were greeted with the deafing roar of airhorn's and sirens ..trucks comming ashore let ripped with thier airhorns..
A salute and final goodbye..
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it is a sad day for the ferry service and newfoundland .... :( looks like the Caribou is up fro sale by knudehansen corp in europe...
http://www.knudehansen.com/References/Ferries-Ro-Pax-Vessels/
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Great pics Gulfspan.
What a sad day. :(
Kyle
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it is a sad day for the ferry service and newfoundland .... :( looks like the Caribou is up fro sale by knudehansen corp in europe...
http://www.knudehansen.com/References/Ferries-Ro-Pax-Vessels/
Thx for the link Trucker001 :)
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it is a sad day for the ferry service and newfoundland .... :( looks like the Caribou is up fro sale by knudehansen corp in europe...
http://www.knudehansen.com/References/Ferries-Ro-Pax-Vessels/
Thx for the link Trucker001 :)
Just thought I'd give some info, the ships were designed and engineered by Knude Hansen corp back in the early 1980's!! This is just the info page on the two ferries with the dimensions and scope of the work done.
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Nice pics of this magnificent super ferry Gulfspan!!! I will truely miss her and the J&C Smallwood should I come back to North Sydney next summer :( I was hoping these two would last for another 20 years, their lifespan to me have been cut halfway through. :o I'm just curious, where have they docked the Caribou after the final voyage?? I know it's somewhere around North Sydney (maybe Sydport or an alternate dock at the North Sydney terminal, but not sure where??
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Most certain it will be Sydport..I'll have a peak today..
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Still at the terminal..old Carter dock
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I'd thought I'd share a link with some pics of the Smallwood in Boston while having her rudder problem fixed last month
http://www.marinetraffic.com/ais/shipdetails.aspx?mmsi=316001106 and click on ship photos at the bottom of the photo.
I'm thinking some of you might be interested in seeing pics of her at the Boston dry dock!!
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Nice pics of smallwood .... one think i notivced i am not sure anyone else nticed .. even though the nightmare (aka Vision) and the other two the smallwood and caribou still had MORE passenger capacity then the new ones they could cary over 1200 passengers n crew then these new ones...caribou could also cruise at 24 knots not the advertised 18 where the MA people wanted you to believe they could run just as fast as vision in their day but are held back because of the engines needing to be rebuilt
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Your right trucker..
18 knots was her pace 4 two reasons ..1 it kept maintenance and fuel down,something MA realised after Caribous second summer season ..second ..to hold her back..both vessels have at one point or another have had to nose into the dock in Sydney or Port aux Basques if they showed up before 7 am..so MA wouldn't have to pay extra overtime to the stevedore's..dont believe me just look at the schedules
... but those two reasons were why they ran 18knots...Both have run 22knots on fast turn around..The old MaK's and gears had to be watched..
Caribou has done the run 5hrs to PAB ,
18knots as advertised was the economy gear..Kinda like holding top cog at 1800rpm going down the highway on an 60 series detroit...I drive tractor to ...more like keep it pinned..I know
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I've been on the Smallwood this summer and we blew the doors off the Leif Ericson while coming back from the rock. I'm thinking the Captain must have pushed the J&C Smallwood close to her maximum speed of around 20 knots so they could get to the primary dock for disembarking vehicles and passengers, however, we had a mechanical problem and docked at the old Carter dock while the Ericson went to the primary dock (she caught up to us). Nonetheless, I've enjoyed my very last trip on her this summer 8) By the way: Leif Ericson's speed is about 18 knots according to MA's website (slowest of the fleet)
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What was the date you crossed Jacques?
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What was the date you crossed Jacques?
July 16 on the J&C Smallwood, July 14 on the Atlantic Vision. I wanted to see the Caribou and Smallwood before retirement!! I also wanted to take day cruises on both the Vision and a Gulfspan ship, mission accomplished!!! I honestly liked the Vision (I don't know why people dislike her)!! The food in the buffet was excellent 8) I'm planing to head back next year to experience either the Blue Puttees or Highlanders and hopefully another trip on Atlantic Vision 8)
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Oh Ok I took some photos of the Smallwood going to alternate dock in Sept.
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Oh Ok I took some photos of the Smallwood going to alternate dock in Sept.
I think I seen some of them, even a video. Keep up the great work :) I posted a few pics of the Marine Atlantic ferries (the Princess of Acadia and some fishing boats at the shipyard as well) on here, however, I have more pics on myshippassion.com. I really enjoyed my vacation in North Sydney this summer and I look forward to doing it again next year when I see and experience the Blue Puttees and Highlanders.
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Thanks Jacques,
Hopefully you get to shoot some photos from the PAB side.You can get very nice shots from there.
Take Care
Jarrod
Oh Ok I took some photos of the Smallwood going to alternate dock in Sept.
I think I seen some of them, even a video. Keep up the great work :) I posted a few pics of the Marine Atlantic ferries (the Princess of Acadia and some fishing boats at the shipyard as well) on here, however, I have more pics on myshippassion.com. I really enjoyed my vacation in North Sydney this summer and I look forward to doing it again next year when I see and experience the Blue Puttees and Highlanders.
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The latest I've heard is that the Caribou will be tied up at Stephenville, Newfoundland
Dean
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The latest I've heard is that the Caribou will be tied up at Stephenville, Newfoundland
Dean
Ok thx for the info Dean. :)
Kyle
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The latest I've heard is that the Caribou will be tied up at Stephenville, Newfoundland
Dean
that is news..over here seems that Sydport is still a go..
Now that think about it ..I dont think that Sydport has the shore power Capability that maybe required ..not to mention half the wharf has collapsed..
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Caribou got turned around and backed in the dock oppsite where she was ..the Marine Atlantic and Canada logo's have been painted over..
Still sports her name
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Gulfspan, have you any news on departure of "BLUE PUTEES" yet?
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I heard the Blue Puttees will most likely only arrive after christmas.I am not sure for the delay.
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I heard around Jan 1, 2011
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Thanks Jacques,
Hopefully you get to shoot some photos from the PAB side.You can get very nice shots from there.
Take Care
Jarrod
Oh Ok I took some photos of the Smallwood going to alternate dock in Sept.
I think I seen some of them, even a video. Keep up the great work :) I posted a few pics of the Marine Atlantic ferries (the Princess of Acadia and some fishing boats at the shipyard as well) on here, however, I have more pics on myshippassion.com. I really enjoyed my vacation in North Sydney this summer and I look forward to doing it again next year when I see and experience the Blue Puttees and Highlanders.
Thanks Jarrod, I'll try and stay in PaB for a few days this time (depending on my vacation time). Coast Guard Hill seems to be the best vantage point to take pics of the ferries entering and leaving for North Sydney.
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I heard around Jan 1, 2011
What's wrong with the Blue Puttees that it had to be delayed?? Back in May Here and Now said the first ship was supposed to be delivered around Christmas time, so, I wouldn't be worried about delays just yet 8)
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As she just undergone a major modification ,This ships entire attitude has been changed.
she has to under go sea trials ,cert's and so forth ..Lloyds (or the applicable underwriter) may want to be present and satisfied that everything is in order before lending coverage to Marine Atlantic
Early December is everything on schedule ,everything right the first time out.
Theres alot to go over,that must be gone over before the crew sets out over thew Atlantic to St. Johns.
..The Canadian crew in part is there,
Acceptance maybe soom time this month
Early January is what I'm hearing before she gets here ,Service commences' in February ...pending further delays
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Thx for the info Gulfspan. :)
Kyle
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As she just undergone a major modification ,This ships entire attitude has been changed.
she has to under go sea trials ,cert's and so forth ..Lloyds (or the applicable underwriter) may want to be present and satisfied that everything is in order before lending coverage to Marine Atlantic
Early December is everything on schedule ,everything right the first time out.
Theres alot to go over,that must be gone over before the crew sets out over thew Atlantic to St. Johns.
..The Canadian crew in part is there,
Acceptance maybe soom time this month
Early January is what I'm hearing before she gets here ,Service commences' in February ...pending further delays
Just a little info: both Blue Puttees and Highlanders are under writed by the DNV exchange http://exchange.dnv.com/Exchange/Main.aspx?EXTool=Vessel&VesselID=27435
The Leif Ericson is on there as well
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Would any of the super ferries be considered to run out of Corner Brook to Quebec?? I know the MV Sir Robert Bond (built in 1975) is a good ship, but, it needs to be replaced if the NL gov't wants to make a go of the run
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From what I'm hearing the Sir Robert Bond is going to be under contract for another 5 years. She is going to be used on the run to Labrador carrying freight, basically stand by, and she will be used on the St. Barbe to Corner Brook run
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Thanks for the info Dean. I didn't know there was a five year deal on the Bond. I didn't even know about her being a standby vessel for Labrador. This is news for me!!
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Just goes to show what a vessel can do when properly maintained..The bonds old Dorman Diesels still get her there..
As far as a gulfspan ferry in Labrador ..Ive learned that draft may be an issue in some ports of call..
Now Corner Brook to St. Barbe ..great spot for the Vision
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She is maintained, the Bond is in really good shape. Her old Rustom engines are still purring along.
She will be going for refit later this spring after she goes on the St. Barbe run.
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She is maintained, the Bond is in really good shape. Her old Rustom engines are still purring along.
She will be going for refit later this spring after she goes on the St. Barbe run.
LO...Shes got Dorman auxillaries ..Geez ..I heard so much talk about those things I forgot..
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As she just undergone a major modification ,This ships entire attitude has been changed.
she has to under go sea trials ,cert's and so forth ..Lloyds (or the applicable underwriter) may want to be present and satisfied that everything is in order before lending coverage to Marine Atlantic
Early December is everything on schedule ,everything right the first time out.
Theres alot to go over,that must be gone over before the crew sets out over thew Atlantic to St. Johns.
..The Canadian crew in part is there,
Acceptance maybe soom time this month
Early January is what I'm hearing before she gets here ,Service commences' in February ...pending further delays
Just a little info: both Blue Puttees and Highlanders are under writed by the DNV exchange http://exchange.dnv.com/Exchange/Main.aspx?EXTool=Vessel&VesselID=27435
The Leif Ericson is on there as well
DNV is a subsidary of Lloyds..DNV .. mainly European Transport..
Marine Atlantic has two choices ...Get Lloyds or pay a percentage of the cost of DNV.
Marine Atlantic dosent have to do that ..get their own policy ..because the ship isnt under the Canadian flag.
Im not surprised to see the Lief on the DNV as Marine Atlantic dosent own her..shes Charterd
Caribou isnt there ..J&C either ..because their on Lloyds
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I thought the Leif was purchased by Marine Atlantic. She is shown in the Canadian registry as owned by Marine Atlantic.
http://wwwapps.tc.gc.ca/saf-sec-sur/4/vrqs-srib/d.aspx?lang=e&shipid=821679
Take Care
Jarrod
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I thought the Leif was purchased by Marine Atlantic. She is shown in the Canadian registry as owned by Marine Atlantic.
http://wwwapps.tc.gc.ca/saf-sec-sur/4/vrqs-srib/d.aspx?lang=e&shipid=821679
Take Care
Jarrod
My bad...I miss read a few articles .. :-[ ..Im old
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I thought the Leif was purchased by Marine Atlantic. She is shown in the Canadian registry as owned by Marine Atlantic.
http://wwwapps.tc.gc.ca/saf-sec-sur/4/vrqs-srib/d.aspx?lang=e&shipid=821679
Take Care
Jarrod
My bad...I miss read a few articles .. :-[ ..Im old
You're right Jarrod. The Leif Ericson was purchased in 2000 to operate the Gulf run in 2001 by Marine Atlantic!! She is underwrited by the DNV Exchange like the Blue Puttees and Highlanders. Only the Atlantic Vision will be underwrited by Lloyds Register in 2011. Here's an interesting fact: The Ericson was flagged in the Bahamas (Nassau) during her transatlantic crossing in 2001, She was later re-flagged Canadian (St. John's). Caribou and J&C Smallwood was registered under Lloyds as Lloyds Baltic 1A super, Leif Ericson is DNV ICE 1B, Atlantic Vision is Lloyds Finnish 1AA super (the highest ice class in the fleet)
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Does anyone got recent pics of the Caribou without her Marine Atlantic logos on the funnels?? I'm just curious of how she looks now.
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I thought the Leif was purchased by Marine Atlantic. She is shown in the Canadian registry as owned by Marine Atlantic.
http://wwwapps.tc.gc.ca/saf-sec-sur/4/vrqs-srib/d.aspx?lang=e&shipid=821679
Take Care
Jarrod
My bad...I miss read a few articles .. :-[ ..Im old
It's ok Gulfspan we will let it go for this time.... LOl
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I wonder if the rumor of laying up the superferries in Europe or the Mediterranean will come true?? MAI is currently looking for tenders I hear. I'm still wondering how the MV Caribou looks like without her Marine Atlantic livery.
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I thought the Leif was purchased by Marine Atlantic. She is shown in the Canadian registry as owned by Marine Atlantic.
http://wwwapps.tc.gc.ca/saf-sec-sur/4/vrqs-srib/d.aspx?lang=e&shipid=821679
Take Care
Jarrod
My bad...I miss read a few articles .. :-[ ..Im old
You're right Jarrod. The Leif Ericson was purchased in 2000 to operate the Gulf run in 2001 by Marine Atlantic!! She is underwrited by the DNV Exchange like the Blue Puttees and Highlanders. Only the Atlantic Vision will be underwrited by Lloyds Register in 2011. Here's an interesting fact: The Ericson was flagged in the Bahamas (Nassau) during her transatlantic crossing in 2001, She was later re-flagged Canadian (St. John's). Caribou and J&C Smallwood was registered under Lloyds as Lloyds Baltic 1A super, Leif Ericson is DNV ICE 1B, Atlantic Vision is Lloyds Finnish 1AA super (the highest ice class in the fleet)
More proof the Leif Ericson (ex Stena Challenger) is owned by Marine Atlantic
http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/mediaroom/releases-nat-2000-00_h033e-1767.htm
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Most of you might not know this but Marine Atlantic still owns the Bar Harbor International ferry terminal. I wonder why MAI doesn't "evict" the Cat and Bay Ferries and make one (or both) ships dock at that facility for lay up as it's no longer in use. They're currently looking at tenders for an environmental remedial plan.
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Generally,in an industrial rental/lease agrrement //the renter is responsable for the maintainence and up keep ..all of it,hydro,water,sewer,..the rentor collects the rent and pays the property tax..thats all..
So it is possable that MAI is doing just that ..outside the annual property tax ..it isnt costing them a dime ..
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Hi folks, I took some shots of the Caribou today, Dec 27, 2010.
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thanks for the posts Mike
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Thanks Mike great pics....
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Hi,
Where are the photos? I can't seem to find them
Thanks
Dean
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They are attached to Mike Whitty's comments.
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I seen them thanks. I wasn't logged in.
Nice photos Mike
Regards
Dean
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Thanks Mike for the great pics. :)
Kyle
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Seems as though the word is that the MV Caribou may make her way to Egypt..She's either been sold,or posted there for layup..The General consensus is sold however...
If thats the case..Im wondering what refit and upgrades will have to be preformed to operate a ship built for use on cooler waters.Dont think her designers had the Mediterranean in mind when her keel was laid
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Egypt,of all the places on earth...
They were no good anymore for Canada and now they are going to SAIL IN Egypt...wICH MEANS THAT THEY ARE STILL GOOD In what contry are we living?UNE R
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Daniel,
No need to get all worked up about this. These are 25 year old ships which are being sold in a very bad market (still lots of older ferries laid up all across Europe). In such a market, Egyptians can also afford to buy ships which are a little less old than what they normally buy...
I wonder, would you have said the same if these ships were sold to Greece or Italy (those two countries being the "normal" destinations for old ships like these).
Brgds.
Ralph
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Key word in all conversations is "may"..
Her ownership may get transferred as a bill of sale to an Egyptian firm flying an Egyptian flag or what ever flag the firm operates under,
However,Its not unusual for a big ticket item to be bought,then re-sold to a buyer almost immediately,,brokerage firms do it all the time..Especially if their client has no international connections to do the deal,legal,secure funds and such.
Part of me is very much concerned because ..its puts Caribou almost on the porch of Turkish breakers,which maybe a client of an international brokerage firm
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The DNV (Det Norske Veritas) is not a subsidiary of Lloyds.
http://www.dnvusa.com/moreondnv/profile/about_us/
http://www.dnv.no/mer_om_dnv/selskapsprofil/om_oss/
They are one of the leading class societies in the world and most of the vessels built in Scandinavia, such as the "new" vessels of Marine Atlantic, are classed by DNV.
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Egypt is currently in a state of political turmoil, so who can say what may happen there. However they do have a passenger/ferry issue - some not very good conversions which resulted in loss of life. Generally they are not operating in the Med but in Arabian Sea/ Indian Ocean. Car decks become steerage class dormitory accommodation for pilgrims.
As rightly pointed out Egypt is not too far from Turkey or India, so is well positioned to get to breakers yards.
My suspicious mind says MIA may be doing the same as CSL did with Ferbec. Sell the ship to a third party. The ship goes to another part of the world (outside of the EU and other convention countries) then is resold to breakers. This avoids remediating contaminants such as asbestos, PCBs and other toxic hazards.Or the third party might even do the remediation (but not under the strict safety rules of North American and EU countries) before selling it on.
MIA can then (as CSL did) claim inncence - they did not sell the ship for scrap.
We have seen recent incidents when India has turned ships back, so this is no gurantee, so it relieves the orginal owbner of the embarassment and expense of dealing with a problem and exports it to the third world.
I wonder of Caribou and Smallwood have been added to Greenpeace's list of dangerous ships?
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Most any ship going to breakers goes on the greenpeace list ... you are right though about the way to dispose of a ship trough back channels... and sadly that is what it looks like what is happening with this crowd from MA getting on with their antics...
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when you guys got them plz tell me also
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I do know a guy that worked Caribou for many years..He's confident there's no real concern for asbestos or PCB's.,the worst is whats in the bilge's. A vac truck hazmat suit with supplied air would do it for that.
The Freighter did have some on board before she left,unless a major clean up was done before hand.Not likly as asbestos is quite well understood to be of no threat unless disturbed or exposed,even less harmfull if its wet.
Last time the Frighter had an issue with asbestos ,a team was sent in ,cleaned up the exposed junk,encased what could be left alone ,and all areas that were containing asbestos were clearly labeled in accordance with regulations.
As far as the Caribou is concerned.I'll stick by my theory that a firm does want her but has hired a firm(possiably Egyptian) to make the international transfer.
My reason is simple ,I worked for a guy that bought and sold heavy equipment globally. He is a very intelligent man ,intelligent enough to use and pay people to handle international transfers to move his equipment.I distinctly remember he bought a piece of equipment that was for sale in Canada,but bought it through a European firm instead of just going out and getting it. It was just more benifical to do the transaction that way..
Anyone of us here can go abroad and buy a ship,equipment,no problem..But to get it out of one boarder through the system and into another boarder with proper documentation will require people who know the system's.
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I heard they are shifting the Caribou to Point Edward on Feb 15, 2011
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Any Idea if she'll be under her own power or tow?
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Has she been sold or just being moved to a new spot for the time being?
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She is going under her own power, and they are just moving her out of the way.
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Where is Point Edward ?
Kyle
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Hey Kyle,
Basically she is going to tie up at Sydport(Same place where the former Vacationland was laid up) which is on the north side of Sydney Harbour. It is located fairly close to the Coast Guard college.
Take Care
Jarrod
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Hey Kyle,
Basically she is going to tie up at Sydport(Same place where the former Vacationland was laid up) which is on the north side of Sydney Harbour. It is located fairly close to the Coast Guard college.
Take Care
Jarrod
Oh ok thx for the info Jarrod.
Kyle
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Any idea if they are still strict at Sydport on taking pictures or being on their property without offical business? I got yelled at last time I was there lol ;D
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Not sure Stephen.Maybe you should test the waters Lol.I have not tried since you mentioned what happened before.Really there is no need for yelling and all that bull crap. Some think because they are security guards they have the right to disrespect people.
Take Care
Jarrod
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hate to get off subject, but does anyone remember back in summer of 1986 i believe, that the caribou lossing her ramp in north sydney while preparing to off load? if so have any information or photo on it, i was in the ferry terminal when it happen but couldn't see anything.
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hate to get off subject, but does anyone remember back in summer of 1986 i believe, that the caribou lossing her ramp in north sydney while preparing to off load? if so have any information or photo on it, i was in the ferry terminal when it happen but couldn't see anything.
It was in the Gulfnews,,compliments I belive of the Cape Breton post ,the pictures you seek.
It is possable to look at the archive's if a guy ask's nicely.
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Not sure Stephen.Maybe you should test the waters Lol.I have not tried since you mentioned what happened before.Really there is no need for yelling and all that bull crap. Some think because they are security guards they have the right to disrespect people.
Take Care
Jarrod
Actually it is possable to stand on the road and shoot pictures..Its municipal property as near as i can tell.
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that happened right after her WARRANTY REFIT when she came back from quebec if i recall right
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Thanks for the info Gulfspan.
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Does anyone know if the Caribou is moved yet??
Thanks
Dean
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hey Dean & Gulfspan do either of you know why Blue puttees is going back to St johns
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I could be wrong, but I think its to have some ramps installed
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they could have done that when she was there the first time lol... what a waste of money to sail her from the city to Pab fuel up then to Nsydney then back to the city again damm
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Caribou was still in North Sydney last night. She'll have to be moved before the end of the month for sure.
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A post by Mike Whitty in the Blue Puttees discussion said that she went back to North Sydney for a crew change.
I guess it doesn't hurt to give the crew all the training they can get before she's put into service. Perhaps they were doing some emergency drill training en route or something.
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I would hope they are using this time to train and familiarize themselves with the new ferries.There is still no firm word that Smallwoods last crossing is the 22nd. Any one hear anything on that?Thanks for the update as well Don!
Take Care
Jarrod
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I just checked Marine Atlantic's schedule and the Smallwood is still sailing all of next week . The last run will be on February 28 departing Port aux Basques at 11:30 and will arrive around 5:30 p.m. in North Sydney (almost eerily similar to the Caribou's last run)MV Blue Puttees will make her debut at 10:30 P.M on Feb 28. http://www.marine-atlantic.ca/en/schedule/pabnsy1.asp?cboRoute=PBNS&cboDay=28&cboMonth=Feb&cboYear=11&button=Show
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Am I late on some news or what?? I kind of expected the Caribou going to Sydport, where the Vacationland, John Hamilton Gray and Abegweit were laid up back in the day. I only hope both ships find a new home somewhere and don't meet the same fate as the PEI ferries I just mentioned!!
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Thanks Jacques!
Take Care
Jarrod
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At 0700 Caribou is still at her berth at MA..
I havent looked in a bit over to Point Edward but ALGO has been tieing up there tankers there..I'll have a look a little later to see if anything is tied up there.
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has caribou moved yet? or is she still at the MA terminal docks?
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has caribou moved yet? or is she still at the MA terminal docks?
Nope havent moved yet..
I do wonder if she hasnt lost a permit, I have from a decent source she has ..Meaning, she cant leave her berth unless under tow.
Then Again ..the berth in Sydport probably cant handle her, the dock is falling down ..
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You might see the Caribou move today...keep watch. Maybe around lunch time
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Alrighty !!!
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Around 1500 today
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Did the Caribou move today? Any photos??
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Didnt get down there this aft..
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I was there today. Caribou is docked at Sydport, taking up most of the wharf there. She's inboard of The ALGOL. She's pretty weathered and has big scrape on her side. She was loading or unloading something when I got there and I'm not sure weather she what the plans are for her. Also, the Smallwood has something going on, she is still docked with the bow open at the loading dock. I'm thinking she is going to be parked where Caribou was and Caribou will stay at Sydport until her future is decided.
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Any photos??
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Got a couple but the weather was bad.
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any word how she was scraped either at sydport or over at the ma docks?
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Its an older rub Trucker..It was there before layup.
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The schedule now says the Smallwood is finished Mar 8, 2011. The Blue Puttees starts on the 9th
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Ok thx for the info.
Kyle
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I am not sure when Smallwood's last run is. She is now holding at North Sydney and did not make her scheduled crossing to Port Aux Basques this evening.So her last crossing is any ones guess.I would hope she gets 1 more crossing before retiring.
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Well I just took the Smallwood over from Port Aux Basques and I got some really good information from the crew. Thursday is supposed to be the Joey Smallwood's farewell run. The gift shop is all sold out of Smallwood items. Apparently what's going to happen is after Thursday, after the Smallwood comes back to North Sydney she will be "retired". From what I was told after that the Smallwood will be kept in reserve for a short time while the Blue Puttees and Highlanders are entering service. They took the Caribou out of service too quick and started removing some things (making her no longer fit for service) and then ran into a shortage when the weather kept the Vision from being able to dock in Port Aux Basques. For a while around Christmas Smallwood was handling 100% of the runs! The Lief Ericsson should be back in service soon, and I would think when she is, that's when this "reserve" period will end for the Smallwood. For the time being, if there are any problems with the new ferries or the Vision, the Smallwood COULD make another run if need be. They are going to need the space at the dock for the ferries that are running so you could see the Smallwood at Sydport by the end of this week. They plant to keep both ships there until a buyer is found.
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Ok thx for the info.
Kyle
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Is there room for both of them in Sydport? Now that would make a nice picture :o)
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I can't help but wonder that myself. With all the deterioration of that place. Then again, they used to store destroyers there in the 1950s so I think they should have room for them both. I'll get some pictures when they are tied up there.
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Here are some photos I took of the Caribou at Sydport yesterday.I will try to get some as well when the smallwood goes over there.I think there is room.The Caribou is well secured there.
Take Care
Jarrod
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Very nice photos Jarrod, keep them coming.
Regards
Dean
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Terrific photos Jarrod. Fingers crossed she and the Smallwood will still be there when I come across the island this summer.
Cheers
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Jarrod is that the farley mowat tied behind the caribou?
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Jarrod is that the farley mowat tied behind the caribou?
No its not Trucker ..thats an old stern trawler once owned by Fishery Products International..Think it just has a hull number on it now.
Farley Mowat has been gone for almost 2 years now..apparently sold to a oceanic research firm in Europe. I was assured that it didnt get put back in the hands of Sea Shepard or Green Peace.
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Is there room for both of them in Sydport? Now that would make a nice picture :o)
Have to disagree..I know what yer saying..nice..yes ..given their circumstance..
Two of them, side by side,
wave under bow,
sun hanging low,
cloudless sky,
heading home to port,
Clean and fresh from a midlife refit.
That would be a finer picture.
These ships are legendary..
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I agree. I liked being on the Smallwood, we flew home she had to be going at least 20 knots, seemed faster than the Vision and we arrived on time whereas the Vision was about an hour or so late at PAB. The Smallwood wasn't as well lit and you could tell that it was 20 years old but the cafeteria was great and it was just a lot bigger inside in the passenger area than the Vision was. Everything wears out though, if they had decided to keep them I think they both would have needed a good working over.
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Jarrod is that the farley mowat tied behind the caribou?
Hey Trucker It's the former FPI fishing vessel Grand Count.
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Nice pics Jarrod!! She sure looks well secured there.
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thanks for the info on the grand count
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yes she is..the moorings are a result of the Vision breaking hers.
she hadnt enough out..though there was speculation that they were worn out.
The end result seems to be a standing rule at MA ..got'em , use'em.
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You are quite welcome Dean, Ben & Jacques I am glad you all like them....
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Of interest!
Web site of Mark Eyking, Liberal Member of Parliament.
Kasco
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Very interesting..yet Marine Atlantic was trashed by everyone for chartering..
"In 2004-2005 Marine Atlantic had an advanced plan approved by the board, Transport Canada and Public Works to acquire four made in Canada ferries by 2009. There was even a bidder
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Ok I did not know that.
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They took the Caribou out of service too quick and started removing some things (making her no longer fit for service) and then ran into a shortage when the weather kept the Vision from being able to dock in Port Aux Basques. For a while around Christmas Smallwood was handling 100% of the runs!
The reason the Caribou was taken out of service when she was is that her safety certificates were up the day of her last crossing. In order to renew them there was a significant structural and safety retrofit needed, primarily a replacement of the airlock watertight car deck doors which the Smallwood had done on prior dry dockings. I missed the final crossing of the Caribou by a few hours so we hit up the Smallwood instead, which was cool, because we stopped for close to an hour to lay a wreath for the HMCS Shawinigan.
http://www.navy.forces.gc.ca/cms/3/3-a_eng.asp?category=7&id=834
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Very interesting..yet Marine Atlantic was trashed by everyone for chartering..
"In 2004-2005 Marine Atlantic had an advanced plan approved by the board, Transport Canada and Public Works to acquire four made in Canada ferries by 2009. There was even a bidder
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They took the Caribou out of service too quick and started removing some things (making her no longer fit for service) and then ran into a shortage when the weather kept the Vision from being able to dock in Port Aux Basques. For a while around Christmas Smallwood was handling 100% of the runs!
The reason the Caribou was taken out of service when she was is that her safety certificates were up the day of her last crossing. In order to renew them there was a significant structural and safety retrofit needed, primarily a replacement of the airlock watertight car deck doors which the Smallwood had done on prior dry dockings. I missed the final crossing of the Caribou by a few hours so we hit up the Smallwood instead, which was cool, because we stopped for close to an hour to lay a wreath for the HMCS Shawinigan.
http://www.navy.forces.gc.ca/cms/3/3-a_eng.asp?category=7&id=834
Ive was told that three months before she was retired ..but nope every one said it wasnt true..
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Ive was told that three months before she was retired ..but nope every one said it wasnt true..
Yep, tough love for sure. An employee on the Smallwood, who started his career on the Caribou, filled us in on all the details during our 24 passenger crossing, lol. Easy to see the lack of needed funds being put into these great ferries. I remember roaming the Caribou back in 2006 seeing wall panels and stair support structures rusted completely away inside on lower decks.
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Smallwood wasnt at the terminal at Nth Sydney this aft..never passed by the Caribou today..so I dont know if she's been moved along side her sister.
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The Smallwood moved over to Sydport about 2 this afternoon. She's tied up next to the Caribou at the outside wharf. Tried to upload a photo but this retarded thing says upload folder is full or something.
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does she still have her MA stripes?? just a thought MA has brought in 3 boats to do the work that these 2 ships have ben doing for over 20 years.. that kinda makes you go huh what is wrong with this picture??
on a side note the CBC news has pissed me off when refering to the caribou as in decrepid condition and smallwood was in bad condition, when compaired to the newer boats yes IF IF MA and ottawa had loked after these ships we wouldnt have the bad service that we are getting now ... when ever a storm is forcast they park the vision and looks like the puttees may be in the same condition for now
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Highlanders was registered in Canada March 24.
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No one can dispute that the Caribou and the Smallwood were great vessels. But to suggest that three vessels were put into service to do the work that the Caribou and Smallwood were doing is just wrong. The vessels that were in the fleet before the Atlantic Vision came on stream just did not have the capacity to move the traffic offered.
The Altantic Freighter was replaced with the Ericson as the commercial vessel,approx. 20% more capacity.
The Atlantic Vision entered service to replace the Ericson as a passenger vessel, approx. 50% more capacity.
The Blue Puttees replaced the Caribou, approx 40% more capacity.
The Highlanders is replacing the Smallwood, approx. 40% more capacity.
Kasco
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Agree
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As an after thought kasco..Sipping a beer ..I think you'll agree that the traffic being offered ..the back-logs..were not entirely due to lack of capacity..
With the Vision's fair weather avoidance status..
the sad shape of the Gulf Spain ferries
The Ericson had her share of missed appointments
The numbers really only tell some of the story I think..
Had the Gulfspan ferries been maintained to a state that they were reliable as they always were.
Had the Ericcson..well..she's the Ericson ..
Had the Vision never-ever been considered..but a ship similar to the Fosen Optima,or the Gulfspan series, been charted initially the First Time
with all 4 ships running reliably..would there have been a Capacity issue?
We'll never know..but it does offer food for thought.
My thoughts as time drags on ..the Fosen Optima's were chosen to carry the burden of the Vision when she cant sail..and to a lesser extent the Ericson when she's laden with Dangerous goods..
Again my thoughts ..I ran some quick math in my head...the service is still less than 3 full time ships even when the Ericson returns from refit..on average..when the above is considered ..no mechanical delays.
By the way Ericson looks good ,saw her in Dartmouth yesterday,,still has one of Irvings cranes(160t,I believe) servicing her on board needs ..but coming along..not a whole lot of gear left on the dock.
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When is Erickson leaving halifax?? as we now know the smallwood has been tied up beside Caribou in sydport any pics of both vessels the caribou and Smallwood and erickson as she sits in halifax??
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When is Erickson leaving halifax?? as we now know the smallwood has been tied up beside Caribou in sydport any pics of both vessels the caribou and Smallwood and erickson as she sits in halifax??
Hello Trucker001. If you go to the top of the page here and search for photos of Caribou there's a couple of her tied up with the Smallwood in Sydport. I tried to attach one or two in this forum but it keeps telling me the upload folder is full. Don't have a clue what that's about, so I have to post them in the ship photos section.
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Gulfspan
There are two sides to the equation, commercial and passenger related traffic. The new vessels will meet the needs of the commercial industry. The question now becomes will they meet the needs of the passenger sector.
Kasco
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Ericson left Halifax today at noon.
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Ok.
Did any one get a Personal Message from Deputy Webmaster ?
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I did. Its pretty bad when some people have nothing better to do but complain about a topic that is of interest to us in this part of the world.
If there were topic that was no interest to me in another part of the world, I wouldn't read it, but anyway.
I'm done with the forums.
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I did. Its pretty bad when some people have nothing better to do but complain about a topic that is of interest to us in this part of the world.
If there were topic that was no interest to me in another part of the world, I wouldn't read it, but anyway.
I'm done with the forums.
I totally agree with you 100% Dean!! That's why I wasn't around for a while. I'm sorry to hear your'e not participating in the forums anymore :'(
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well i guess they dont like the fact we discuss the ships that we like and how hey are treated... i guess if we were in a different part the world and discussed the ships there it would be ok.. looks like they dont want us talking here in Canada about these ships i hve been looking at the boards here last few weeks most the time if we didnt talk the board would be stalled for days
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Gulfspan
There are two sides to the equation, commercial and passenger related traffic. The new vessels will meet the needs of the commercial industry. The question now becomes will they meet the needs of the passenger sector.Kasco
good point ..cant get any worse..
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Despite everything here boys...I'd buy ya's all a pint wether ya wanted to sit at the same table as me or not...
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Despite everything here boys...I'd buy ya's all a pint wether ya wanted to sit at the same table as me or not...
That would make for an interesting conversation. Perhaps the staff would ask us to stop talking too LOL
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you might be right .. who knows MA or otterwa might have said something to provoke this
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Actually Ericson did not leave Halifax today. Things rarely happen on time at Halifax Shipyard, so maybe tomorrow.
Some people can't help but vent. If the moderator wanted to block objectionable posts I think he should do so, that way the valuable info could still be imparted in these forum topics.
Perhaps someone should start a facebook page or blog on the topic and then we could move all the traffic over there, freeing up this site.
I see the moderator's point, and it is up to us to stick a bit closer to the topic.
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I see the moderator's point, and it is up to us to stick a bit closer to the topic.
it
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Since the main subject of all these topics is Marine Atlantic, it might be best to just have one thread called "Marine Atlantic" where we can discuss everything going on.
For me personally the ferries are a big interest of mine, and I check the forums regularly to hear of any news. Hard to hear anything otherwise when you're across the province.
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I work accross the road from where the leif ericson is dock, should be leaving soon there isn't much activity going on there for the past couple of days, the only thing i see that needs to be done on the outside is for the emergency life raft to be installed, the paint job looks pretty much done "look great too". Should take one more picture before she leaves
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My last posting in these forums I'm done with it. I started on on facebook anyone feel free to join. here is the link.
http://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_205732132788620#!/home.php?sk=group_205732132788620&ap=1
Thanks
Jarrod
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Thanks Jarrod . . I'm with you there on the new group. I don't know who or what the complaints were all about. Nothing to see here folks . . move along. Don't like the topic, just skip over it and move along. A few spooks here seem to enjoy ruining conversations they don't partake in anyway. Whiners . . .
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They did ok :(
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Just seen this on the Marine Atlantic web site. I thought it may interest some folks on this site.
Cheers
Mike
Auction Services for the Disposal of Vessels
Reference Requisition Number:
Marine Atlantic Inc. (MAI or the Corporation) is issuing this Request for Proposals (RFP) from qualified companies to provide brokerage services to auction up two Ro-Pax ferries which are surplus to the fleet.
Specifications can be obtained from MERX on their web site at www.merx.com/marineatlantic PR#216244
Closing for receipt of submissions will be 1600 hours Atlantic Time, April 5th, 2011.
Proposals received after the closing date and hour will not be considered.
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A former worker of marine atlantic died of head injury that may have been cause by blue puttee sudden roll a couple weeks back just out side of newfoundland harbour
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I wasn't going to respond or comment on forums anymore, but I will this just once. You can go to facebook to dicuss Marine Atlantic ferries as no one wants us on here. Jarrod set up a page just ask to join and someone will sign you on.
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i guess they dont like us discussing the ferries as you look at the board here it is almost stalled !!! at least we responded to comments look at how many with 0 or only 1-2 responses ... one tread we had here was over 300 responses this one is over 130 responses.. i guess they bend to MA and a few thast dont like reading these chat forums