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Shipspotters all over the world => Shipping News and information => Topic started by: michaeljordan on June 09, 2014, 09:38:12 AM
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The ship, which Australian billionaire Clive Palmer is planning to build in China, is scheduled to sail in 2016. Will it be the most safe cruise ship in the world when it launches?
http://www.ship-technology.com/projects/titanic-ii-cruise-liner/
It is the brainchild of Australian billionaire Clive Palmer, a working replica of the Titanic with carry 2,600 passengers in 850 cabins and an additional 900 crew members, scheduled to set sail in 2016.
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Whether Clive will have enough money left to pay for it then is another question.
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"The new ship, which its developers claim will match the original Titanic for luxury... "
Well, all I can say is that a cabin the size of a broom cupboard with bunk beds, a folding washbasin and no en-suite facilities is most assuredly not my idea of luxury. And I don't believe it will appeal to the vast majority of present day cruise passengers.
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Well, it seems that for most people Titanic as a whole is equivalent to Titanic's first class.
Also, I'm totally fed up with this talking about safety and lifeboats. We don't have SOLAS and a bunch of other international conventions for nothing. It'll be just as safe as any newbuilt cruise ship.
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AFAIK, no firm contracts have been signed to actually BUILD the TITANIC II, so most likely it will not be built at all.
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In truth, I very much doubt that she ever will be built. But if she is, at 56,000gt and with 2,600 passengers her space:passenger ratio is going to be one of the worst around. For comparison sake, QM2 at c150,000gt carries roughly the same number of passengers.
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I wholly agree, after all if she is supposed to sail on her maiden voyage in 2016 why are they only now making agreements regarding her construction, in mid-2014? OK, at 56,000 gt she is not what is regarded as a being a large ship but on the other hand neither is she a 'bog-standard' cruise ship, this is supposed to be something rather special and thus is not a ship that can be thrown together from the usual 'kit of parts'.
I'll be there in Southampton to see her arrive, if ever that day happens. But I'm not holding my breath........
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They should call it the "Titanic Ego".. Clive Palmer maybe rich but he is taken with a pinch of salt in many circles down under.. ??? This dream will never "sea" salt!!
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I wish that this daft story did not keep resurfacing. It's utter nonsense. No contracts have been signed, no ship will be built, let alone sail. It's all one big publicity stunt and ego trip for Clive Palmer.
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We all know that this will not surface. The ship would be a real money maker at first, but after the novelty has worn off, I do not understand who would use the ship, with her lack of Americanised restaurants, rock climbing walls, and what not. And for the passengers who prefer more traditional cruises, who may travel with the likes of Seaborne and the new Viking Ocean Cruises will not like the idea of having various area restricted, and I can't imagine who would. There will be no swimming pool except for the Turkish Baths, no duty free shopping and no or little evening entertainment. As boredom on sea days will overcome many, the will be little or no return rate.
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If there are people around like Palmer who don't know how to spend all their money, I've another idea...
I'd prefer a replica of French Lines "Normandie"... :)
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good point about France 2 m.k., many ground-breaking ships are dreamed up, but most never are anything more than a blueprint. Looks at Princess Kaguya, a cruise ship that was designed with a length of 500m and a gross tonnage of 450,000!!!
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=558174
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@Jens
Normandie would be a real ship to be replicated, unlike Titanic, which has a ridiculous amount of fame!!! ;D
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All right, some of these dreamed up ships are just getting ridiculous now!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgWRIuWOR20
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And the dreamed up Carnival Pinnacle, a liner with a monorail system!!!
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Thanks for these two most interesting links. Carnival Pinnacle looks really cool, but I still prefer the Poseidon. A pity Petersen already sank her ;D
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Well Jens, if she sank before she was even built they need to fire that architect!!!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Shaun, the architect can't be too bad. Actually Poseidon is one of the few ship which were completely lost TWICE! First in 1972 and then again in 2006 ;D ;D
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I am now 100% sure a new architect is required!
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Whilst I understand the problems that you refer to regarding Canberra, given that she remained in service for the greater part of 40 years I don't think you can really consider her to have been a real disaster. More a case of victory (or success) having been grasped from the jaws of disaster.
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Well maybe a new Canberra could have some features removed,eg, the Swiss cheese stern and vile twin funnels.
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Oh, I forgot about the inconsistent superstructure, classic to the PO and Orient ships of the era, this should be changed on the Canberra 2 we are designing!' :)
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When you know what you are talking about maybe we'll take some notice of you!
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And from the above forum replies, what suggets to you that I do not?
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Virtually every statement that you have posted on this site.
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This is untrue, there was no need to end this forum so bitterly.
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Well maybe a new Canberra could have some features removed,eg, the Swiss cheese stern and vile twin funnels.
How dare you criticize my beloved Canberra in that way :'(
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Pluralis majestatis? Suffering from some delusions of grandeur, Clive?
"Virtually every statement you have posted on this site"... and how presumptuous of you, too! >:(
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Jens, my reaction is the same as yours. Some one had to say it.
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How can anyone take Clive palmer seriously, he is a politician after all. Besides who ever heard of China building a cruise ship? I think Phil English summed titanic ii up pretty well in a earlier post. Also what does Clive palmer know about cruise ships, he made his money from mining.
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Can someone throw some extra money & make me the 1:1 replica of the EMPRESS OF BRITAIN?
(http://cdn2.shipspotting.com/photos/middle/3/8/5/2026583.jpg)
One of the most fascinating multifunneled liners ever build!
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Hm, I thought of another project, Normandie might be a little too big for a start... What about the second ship of Hapag's Imperator-class, Vaterland? She set a fabulous record, completed on April 29, 1914, for more than a hundred years now she's the biggest passenger ship that ever sailed under the German flag ;D
And Albert Ballin's ships really had style...
@ Denis: Maybe we should speed up the development of 3D-printers! ;D
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Why don't we forget about replicas for now and get some old ships that we still have back to sea. It is heart-breaking to see United State's rusting hull forgotten in Philadelphia. Although another SS France/Norway would be nice!!! ;D
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Well if NCL: got their hands on their they may ruin her by converting her to suit the needs of the modern passenger, like they did after they had had Norway for 10 years.
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Jens, how about we built the Mauritania & Aquitania, both welded together in a catamaran design - surely there will be enough of place for all sorts of entertainment on board, including the monorail & some steam engines for increasing the nostalgia. 8 funnels can be made as real mountains instead of the usual climbing walls.
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Cool idea, Denis! ;D I'm in!!!
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@Denis, why not make the cars of the monorail systems steam engines? :D
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Thanks, Shaun! Wrote it down!
How do you like the idea of hulls having a glass bottom so it'll be possible to see the underwater wonders? Not sure why no new cruise ship has that feature, so we can be pretty original in our project. Also, I think it would be cool to have hydroplanes on catapults too - way better than that glass ball for overview on that Quantum of the Seas hotel block!
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Cool idea Denis!!! Though I am not sure how effective a glass bottom would be at sea and in dark and murky waters!! Besides, having a fear of crabs I doubt I could enjoy viewing the ocean floor!! ;D ;D ;D
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Well, I suppose a glass bottom ship would be great if you can't read tide or depth charts and need to see how close you are to grounding on a reef.
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Yeah, no 2nd Costa Concordia then! And Shaun, I think me & Jens then will have a special group of divers that will be making sure there are no crabs around while you're on a cruise.
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Maybe I will muster up some courage and venture down to the keel then!!! ;D
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Gives me an idea to include a moonpool & a diving bell that would take you to the bottom so you can walk right on sand among corals & sea stars.
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Hm, I don't want to be a spoil sport, but slowly this sounds like it's becoming veeery expensive.
And just to mention it... Mein Schiff 3 of course has no glass bottom, but I think some suites have balconies with a glass bottom so you can see the sea 40 m beneath your feet.
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Interesting fact Jens. Having one of those balconies would be kind of like standing on the bridge wings of the ship.