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Offline Fred Vloo

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Re: COPYRIGHT
« Reply #30 on: December 27, 2011, 10:23:03 AM »
If you want to make money with your photos, simply don't post them here. The fact that you spent thousands of dollars in equipment is totally irrellevant. This side is purely for the hobbyist who is willing to share his photos with others. Life with the fact that our photos will be used by commercial parties every now and than.

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Re: COPYRIGHT
« Reply #31 on: December 27, 2011, 10:59:38 AM »
Well said Fred!!!! simple and to the point...
Just love ships

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Re: COPYRIGHT
« Reply #32 on: December 27, 2011, 04:47:14 PM »
If you want to make money with your photos, simply don't post them here. The fact that you spent thousands of dollars in equipment is totally irrellevant. This side is purely for the hobbyist who is willing to share his photos with others. Life with the fact that our photos will be used by commercial parties every now and than.

Cheers Fred

I would agree. It used to really annoy me when I saw my pictures ripped off without permission and used elsewhere (it still annoys me a little bit, but not so much as it used to) but now, although I'd rather it didn't happen, it's a fact of internet life that - as others have said - anything posted into the public domain can be taken and used, although that is not to say I condone it. Even preventing right clicking is not effective because the person who wants the photo will resort to doing a screen print instead.

I like sharing my pics (as I do on my site) and I now accept that it is probably - and, yes, unfortunately - inevitable that some might find their way to where they do not belong but, if someone finds my pics good enough to use then I suppose I should be flattered. ;D
I don't mind if someone uses my pics without permission as long as there's a credit with it but it is nice to be asked first as I will always say yes to such a request ;). And if someone likes a pic, really wants one and asks then they can have a large version.

As for logos, I don't like seeing mine - or other people's photos - defaced in such a way but that's really the only effective way of preventing copyright violations, as it would be a real nightmare trying to clone out a watermark.

Hope that makes sense (post-Crimbo sherries are flowing.  ;D )

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Re: COPYRIGHT
« Reply #33 on: December 30, 2011, 02:15:25 PM »
What is the probability of financial gain and commercial benefit from a photograph uploaded on this website? I don't think that many of the over 1.2 million photographs in ShipSpotting have been sold for publication.

I don't have many ship photographs suitable for this website, but to set an example I uploaded one and released it under a Creative Commons licence. Now everyone can use it for any purpose as long as my name is mentioned.
« Last Edit: December 30, 2011, 03:34:12 PM by Tuomas Romu »

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Re: COPYRIGHT
« Reply #34 on: March 10, 2013, 03:04:18 PM »
I thought I would re-open this topic as a result of some digging I have been doing on my own website.
I discovered more than a few of the images on my site were appearing elsewhere.
At first, I was puzzled as I couldn't see why they were being copied. After a considerable amount of work, I found the reason.
They are not stealing images to sell; they are using them as bait to trick you into unwanted advertising.
The reason I didn't see this at first was because I am using Firefox along with NoScript and this effectively blocks the unwanted pop-ups, pop-unders etc.
Once I had temporarily allowed these, all became clear.
These sites claim to be image search engines only. At least one of them really links to the original photo at my site. Others don't.
It really annoys me that these toe rags are using the work of others to drive advertising and therefore generate revenue on a "pay per click" arrangement with the advertisers.
Here are some examples of some of these sites:
http://pdfcast.net/moller-maersk-jpg.html
http://kootation.com/saga-ruby-worldwide-cruises-cruising.html
http://gerberbabycontest.net/mmsi/mmsi-registration-uk.html
http://celebrity-pictures.feedio.net/celebrity-eclipse-celebrity-cruises-cruise-ship-photos/
I noticed on more than one of these images from Shipspotting. (I have been through so many sites, I can't remember which one!)

I believe these sites are known as "Image Scrapers".
Have a browse through this rubbish to see if you can find any of your photos.
I have emailed some big names in the UK gaming industry to demand they either sever their links with these parasite sites or start paying me some revenue.

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Re: COPYRIGHT
« Reply #35 on: March 11, 2013, 02:55:43 AM »
Thomas you might be surprised!
And it is mostly others; intermediaries scavengers and publishers making most of the direct and indirect income from our  photos.

That is why I believe this web site with its preeminence might seize the opportunity to allow for large watermarks on specific captions and share the income with the photographer and also charge members for such albums with watermarked photos .

I for one would go for it rather than move to general stock photo sites or Getty Images ways of dealing.

Also many companies use them internally and with clients for reports. But this when the photo tells them  a story! Some would even  buy to  remove the photo from the web. Pictures are worth a thousand words and usually they don't lie.

But I admit you're quite right about their relative number.

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Re: COPYRIGHT
« Reply #36 on: March 12, 2013, 11:09:23 AM »
Further to my last post on this topic; I have had (allegedly!) most of my photos removed from one site but now I find links to photos from this site.
Take Celebrity Equinox for example.

http://background-pictures.feedio.net/-callsign-9hxd9-shipspotting-com-ship-photos-and-ship-tracker/cdn2.shipspotting.com*photos*middle*9*4*4*1011449.jpg/
This page claims to allow you to download photos of this ship.
What really happens is you are forced to download a programme named ilivid.com which has a bit of a reputation on the web.
The link to the download site appears to be yet another vehicle for unwanted advertising (links to ad2k.com
The original photo is: http://www.shipspotting.com/gallery/photo.php?lid=1011449.

Want another?
http://kootation.com/alianca-neuquen-imo-9396610-shipspotting-com-ship-photos-and/cdn2.shipspotting.com*photos*middle*9*6*0*1039069.jpg/
Original photo is: http://www.shipspotting.com/gallery/photo.php?lid=1039069
And of course the link leads to unwanted pop-ups, advertising etc.

And another from Shipspotting: http://pdfcast.net/moller-maersk-jpg/page/9/
It is the first photo on the top row, Maersk Kalmar.
One of Bob Smith's: http://www.shipspotting.com/gallery/photo.php?lid=1048579

And it goes on and on.
I believe there may be some websites that members here are also affiliated with, such as wellandcanal, schiffbilder etc. images are also being used from these sites and therefore may also affect members.

I had an email a couple of days ago from one of the thieving sites, apologising, saying they had removed my photos.
I just had to send them another email with words to the effect of "Well, how about this one"? (Marit Maersk).
I hope these people are not stupid enough to think I will give up!

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Re: COPYRIGHT
« Reply #37 on: March 13, 2013, 08:17:18 PM »
Do Russians have some basic rules to go by?
http://korabley.net/news/ohrana_svoei_teritorii/2008-12-11-78
See this site of icebreakers pictures stolen all around. Including several of mines from this website . Is it a responsible organization.
It looks like a newspaper
I think this is against all codes of conduct to write the credit to themselves on other's pictures.
« Last Edit: March 13, 2013, 08:22:12 PM by Jean Hemond »

Offline Captain Ted

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Re: COPYRIGHT
« Reply #38 on: March 14, 2013, 01:05:41 PM »
download and using these pics here is rather easy.

How a about a setting, that when a picture is downloaded it gets automatic a watermark
across it unless the download party can show for a permission mail from the copyright holder ?

NOW!!!,,,if we could get rid of the sailors,,how safe shipping would be !!!!!!!!

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Re: COPYRIGHT
« Reply #39 on: March 14, 2013, 04:37:30 PM »
The whole story goes about the unauthorised use of one of my pictures

below the reply of the gent from Martime Bulletin,, and more below my reply again
Pretty brazen, to blame the copyright holder !!!!

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We're taking news! Your e-mail is unavailable for visitors, maybe it's accesible for members, I don't know. Your photos were actually, anonymous - I dig around and my guess is, you're the captain of UBC Sacramento, but one has to dig around to find it. I compared the log of vessel's calls with your pics, and figured you're working on that bulker. You should sign your photos so that it will be understood that it's yours, with short description which will leave no doubt as to who the author of the photos is, and the circumstances of the pics, especially disaster pics. Also, you should give more info on yourself in your profile, including e-mail, if you want to be asked for persmission. You should state in your profile and in descpirtion of your photos, that any copy is strictly prohibited, of any size, whether with link to you or without. I repeat my advise - make a draft of watermark in Photoshop or whatever graphic editor you use, and lay it on all your photos, you'll have no problems then. It's very simply and effective. Anyone wanting a clear photo? Let him contact you, providing of course you reveal your contacts. Me, I would publish photos with your watermark and copyright and whatever, with pleasure, believe me or not. Be it otherwise, I'd simply rip off all pics full-scale, and publish them without linking to you. Be I putin-style, I'd do exactly that.
 Frankly, I published that pic out of some kind of fear, I didn't know who took pic, where and when, those photos could have been old ones, as it sometimes happens. There were no confirmations of the accident from other sources yet, I re-posted smaller size pic as a proof and linked to you and shipspotting in case photos and info were mistakenly dated. If I have confirmed information from other sources by that time, I wouldn't publish any pic at all, I'd just send all curious to shipspotting, what I usually do on such occasions. That was the second time I took any pic at all from shpispotting during at least 4 years, and I believe, the last one. No more.
 So before criticizing me, you'd better check yourself if there's anything you may blame yourself for, too. By the way, are there many free-for-all websites publishing maritime accidents info, such as mine? Quite a number of non-russian, not putin-style media sites shamelessly use my info without linking it to me, among them for example, Maritime Executive. So what? **** them, I'm working not for them but for the community.
 
Best regards and safe voyages,
 
Voytenko Mikhail
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good day

 

you really want to blame the copyrightholder that his picture is pirated by you or

for that matter by anyone ?   That.s pretty brazen

 

first of all in my captainted profile is clearly my other e-mail where anyone can contact me
 
if they want to do so.

secondly much more importantly

 

Your advise on draft or watermark,,, what changes that in respect of the copyright

you mentioned by yourself as "a member of shipspotting" and therefore
 
you knew it is copyrighted,, all the pics there are. However 99% of those guys give

with no problems the ok unless it is used for commercial purposes

 

The NO usually comes then when peoples like you take it with no authorisation and
 
playing then innocent and even want to tell us on that site then how to do it.

It,s very simple,,, if you don,t have the ok from the copyright holder

don,t publish it !!!  That EASY

 
NOW!!!,,,if we could get rid of the sailors,,how safe shipping would be !!!!!!!!

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« Reply #40 on: March 14, 2013, 04:57:28 PM »
Someone here is acting stupid, OF COURSE it is visible who took the photo and OF COURSE everyone who works in publishing and any job related with News, knows what "copyright" means !!

There is simply no excuse for that, of course it is always a chance to get away with it, and they just give it a try, nothing more, nothing less.

I do wonder one thing:

Here for example: http://visualrian.ru/en/site/flow/category/science/

You can view the photos. But you klick on them, there shows a watermark, if you want more, you have to register.

Why is such not possible technically here ?

This is a question for the tech-folks here !! They know about the problem, yet they have not done anything, but keep silent and also going the easy way.

How about: You right-click on the photo to download it, and a window pops up, with an information that photo is under copyright, can be used for private but all other, need permission of photographer ? This idea would not spoil anyones fun when watching ship-photo but is a hint for professional photo-rippers.. not that many of them might be impressed, but still.

Greetings,

Cornelia

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Re: COPYRIGHT
« Reply #41 on: March 20, 2013, 01:49:08 PM »
It looks this web site is somewhat like a candy store run by diabetics. It is not a store but a shared candy jar .I know! LOL
Quite impossible to distinguish between  ship photo maniacs and the real bad guys those that are stealing and making money with our golden pot. Specially when our own rules allows for stealing.

I believe the commercial thiefs concerned could be dealt with by placarding them on a special album with their names on the posted stolen photo. This would tell about their commercial practices as they make money with advertising.
Technology now allows for secure downloading. But it might require a differenciation of albums between commercial captions and regular shipsspotting photos. A decision that might prove positive on the short run to help with the financing.


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Re: COPYRIGHT
« Reply #42 on: March 20, 2013, 04:03:21 PM »

How about: You right-click on the photo to download it, and a window pops up...

No right-click popups, please. They don't prevent theft and "professional photo-rippers" will just ignore them, but they will make life hell for a normal visitor who uses the right mouse button. Just like those anti-piracy ads in DVDs that we're forced to watch.

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Re: COPYRIGHT
« Reply #43 on: March 20, 2013, 06:35:04 PM »
Hi all.

We talk for years about this subject, but nothing changes on this site.
Despite all good suggestions and ideas of the members.

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Re: COPYRIGHT
« Reply #44 on: April 07, 2013, 04:02:55 PM »
 I submit the following suggestions
Relative sliding of this website popularity
 I notice the fast increase in the number of ships photo websites. All azimuth objectives sales marketing sharing technical historical and more!
This website was a leader and surely at the root of several developmental in this domain.
There were commercial concerns agreements taking advantage of our collective investment in this passion.
Personally I gladly accept individual non commercial downloading of my photo. I believe this contribute to the spreading of the good words about shipping. The same way as bird and fauna photography  contributed to environmental awareness.

But this generosity stops at the unauthorized commercial use of my photos.
So I think it would be a positive advancement for SHIPSPOTTING to allow for paying  pro-albums with large watermarks. That for photos with eventual commercial potential.

The establishment of a Placard photo album of copyright infringements in lieu of this copyright topic
 Knowing that large watermarks can be erased, with some work, it would be interesting dispose of a "placard" album with our stolen photos pointing to the copyright infringement and their users since they live for most by the publicity. Their stealing practice would paint them for their clients and they would behave.Possibly a fee on recovered  placarded photos copyrights could be charged. 

 

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