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CCGS AMUNDSEN : Engine problems?
« on: January 02, 2012, 08:27:07 PM »
Hi all,

I heard on the radio that the CCGS AMUNDSEN was running only on 2 engines. It left Quebec City today and is heading to Trois-Rivi
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Re: CCGS AMUNDSEN : Engine problems?
« Reply #1 on: January 02, 2012, 09:57:28 PM »
it could be the same problem that other vessels are having in thast area the last week  the slub ice getting inside the filters and plugging them .. it is hard to say i think the trois rivres is a winter terminal to work out of  for the ice breakers in the quebec reagon
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Re: CCGS AMUNDSEN : Engine problems?
« Reply #2 on: January 03, 2012, 12:29:51 AM »
Trois-Rivi

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Re: CCGS AMUNDSEN : Engine problems?
« Reply #3 on: January 03, 2012, 12:42:18 AM »
Hi Francis,

Thank you for the information. It would make sense to have the 'worse' ice-breaker in a place that it is not known for big ice build-ups.

Any information on what kind of problems the AMUNDSEN his having?

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Re: CCGS AMUNDSEN : Engine problems?
« Reply #4 on: January 03, 2012, 03:15:43 PM »
I am far from up to date on those icebreakers!
They were built at a gone period when Canada was a world leader in Icebreakers technology.
Now we Canadians are at a laugh in this Arctic passage sovereignty quest.


That they were built expressly to insure safe winter navigation on the St-Lawrence in order to maintain major exports of grains and minerals.

Their designs were truly Canadian in all respects. Designed built and operated mostly from Quebec harbours. German and Milne designed. Built in Vickers Davie and other shipyards.
It is yet another expertise with AVRO and with many other Canadian technology achievements etc that was washed down the drain by a lack of vision and narrow partisan political considerations.

The diesel electric propulsion of those icebreakers in the early stages of the operation were highly problematic. And from discussion I heard then with local subcontractors were costing a lot in  repairs and maintenance. Mainly due to condensation in the electric motors. I think that the bombardier engines might be also near the end of their life if they were not replaced entirely.
May be engine parts are now difficult to obtain!
Craked engine support!

See "The Monitor" on this subject two years ago!
Camshaft support cracks are common to all those engines

"I hear the CCGS Pierre Radisson, currently tied up in Quebec City, is pretty much destined for the scrap heap due to the main engines, Alco 251 (Bombardier), being worn out - engine blocks are toast. The Radisson could be consider a sister ship of the Admundsen and Henry Larsen. Any further stalling by the Coast Guard and its governance, to replace these aging assets, is obviously a serious gamble, considering the important role they have just play(ed) in these incidents.

It is mentioned that thanks to our bean-counters in charge personal oars might have as a standard supply for our Coast guard!

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Re: CCGS AMUNDSEN : Engine problems?
« Reply #5 on: January 03, 2012, 05:34:14 PM »
Hum... M. Hemond, are you sure of what your are saying about the Radisson?  Because the engines where all replace last year at Verreault shipyard, a refit to extend of 10 year the life of the Radisson.
If the coast guard expect to build new icebreaker, this time, the Davie yard could have a good chance.

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Re: CCGS AMUNDSEN : Engine problems?
« Reply #6 on: January 03, 2012, 05:58:25 PM »
The CCGS RADISSON did have a major engine overhaul in 2010-2011


Read more :

http://www.qc.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/infoceans/201102/article6-eng.asp Source : Fisheries and Oceans Canada

En lire davantage :

http://www.qc.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/infoceans/201102/article6-fra.asp Source : P
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Re: CCGS AMUNDSEN : Engine problems?
« Reply #7 on: January 03, 2012, 06:49:20 PM »
Please read me correctly!
The info isn't mine its The Monitor's and dates autumn 2010!
But it refers to a general problem with those engines.
Not only the Radisson as such then!

If my memory is good they those engines were derived and pumped-up to 16 cyls from MLW locomotive engines  a US ALCOA design built in Montreal for a period of time.

The link to the Monitor a specialized review for Marine Engineering:
http://dieselduck.blogspot.com/2011/07/marine-engineer-at-helm.html

As for DAVIE building CCGS icebreakers  is, I think, out of the picture as already dressed by our Federal Governement.
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Re: CCGS AMUNDSEN : Engine problems?
« Reply #8 on: January 09, 2012, 05:56:28 PM »
Yes, that's right, the Amundsen have engine problems and is in Trois-Rivi

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Re: CCGS AMUNDSEN : Engine problems?
« Reply #9 on: January 09, 2012, 07:10:19 PM »
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Re: CCGS AMUNDSEN : Engine problems?
« Reply #11 on: January 10, 2012, 02:11:02 PM »

The Canadian and US icebreaker fleets are aging and in bad shape. These ships should all have been replaced or at least repowered years ago. Government policy has been to feed only the child that screams loudest, and like much of our public infrastructure, the icebreaker fleets are crumbling badly.
This winter the Louis S. St-Laurent will be in refit until March, following unscheduled repairs to its centre prop, which cut short research work in the arctic.
Now with Amundsen out, we are short two heavy icebreakers!
The recently announced government shipbuilding procurement program only covers the replacement for the Louis S St-Laurent, but the Terry Fox is to be retired in 2020 and the Radisson class will have to be replaced by then too. Yet no announcements have been made.
It would be a wonderful idea to set up an icebreaker replacement program with the Davie yard as sole contractor. That would to replace six to ten medium icebreakers, with a new one to be delivered every two years. It would keep them going for a long time. 

http://shipfax.blogspot.com/2011/12/ccgs-louis-s-st-laurent-novadock-to-bio.html

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Re: CCGS AMUNDSEN : Engine problems?
« Reply #12 on: January 10, 2012, 05:44:59 PM »
100% agree with M. Mackay.  That could be a good strategie to renew the fleet and help a shipyard.
At least, the positive thing about that is that it give us a chance to see icebreaker with usually don't see here.  With less icebreaker (buoy tender also), we had the chance to see the Terry Fox, St-Laurent and Griffon in Quebec region. Maybe with 2 icebreakers out and a little bit of cold temperature, we could see the Larsen sometime this winter.


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Re: CCGS AMUNDSEN : Engine problems?
« Reply #13 on: January 11, 2012, 03:58:12 AM »
The Henry Larsen has departed St. John's

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Re: CCGS AMUNDSEN : Engine problems?
« Reply #14 on: January 11, 2012, 03:52:03 PM »
Yes Mac great ideas!But not to help a shipyard!
 The medium term objective being rather to help the "Canadian" business by extending and keeping open year around the Seaway up to Toronto (air bubbling systems in the locks.) A fiscal support for an inland container feeder trade like Oceanex does with NFLD. This would be a major achievement for the benefit of Canada first.   Likely more so than opening the North-West-passage and much easier to do . Great impacts would follow on the cost reduction for infrastructure maintenance and renewal due to already excessive heavy load traffic on roads.
But our Governments seem to listen and rely much more upon foreign investment to boost raw natural resources exports.

 

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