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« on: September 16, 2011, 01:55:33 pm »

Dear people, i love the photograths of the tugs you make, but why do you forget to add the objects they are towing on your pictures, the will be much more intresting. Dick Toet.
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« Reply #1 on: September 16, 2011, 02:09:57 pm »

Probably because tugs are usually quite small compared to the ships they are towing so that, in a photo of both, it will not be possible to see much detail of the tug that is the subject of the picture. The tug will be 'too far away' and the admins will probably delete the photo!
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« Reply #2 on: September 16, 2011, 02:38:11 pm »

You could put the photo in the Shipping Category to avoid the pictures deletion?
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« Reply #3 on: September 16, 2011, 03:02:18 pm »

Probably because tugs are usually quite small compared to the ships they are towing so that, in a photo of both, it will not be possible to see much detail of the tug that is the subject of the picture. The tug will be 'too far away' and the admins will probably delete the photo!

they shouldn't and I think wouldn't be deleted if the tug is in the same photo as a ship.
I try to keep the tug prominent in the photo but show some of the ship also.
example:
http://www.shipspotting.com/gallery/photo.php?lid=1327434
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« Reply #4 on: September 16, 2011, 08:43:18 pm »

One of my best pic was deleted exactly for that problem.
And, I like several of us, have quite a number falling in the same situation.

I am mostly interested to depict action rather than  slim ships profiles even less while they sit at anchor or docked besides grey buildings!

So tugs with integrated barges, with a vessel in tow or docking a ship are amongst my favourites shots. (Second, apart from aerials while sailing and better with ice floes.)

My opinion is that there should be consideration from the administration for sub-categories of tugs in action, allowing for those interesting pics.
Thank you!
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« Reply #5 on: September 16, 2011, 10:57:50 pm »

Jean, Fergal,

This is a subject that Ken and I have actually been mulling over for some time. It is apparent that there needs to be a deviation from the general photo guidelines within the 'tugs' category due to the fact that many of the shots will not be just of the tug but of the 'tug & tow' (or 'push' if it is a pusher tug / tug with integrated barge.)
Rest assured, since I have been the photo administrator for the 'tugs' category no images will have been deleted due to including the tow, as long as the tug is the main subject of the picture or the tow obviously adds to the essence of the scene.
We will probably introduce a sub-category to 'tugs' named something like 'tugs & tow' but will need to fine tune the guidelines first to avoid any confusion over what is appropriate and what is not.
Please bear with us whilst the details are thought through, this sort of thing needs to be considered in detail first to anticipate any of the pitfalls which can occur.
Any constructive input on how best to implement this would of course be most well received.
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« Reply #6 on: September 16, 2011, 11:20:16 pm »

Quite simple, really: Introduce a new category entitled something like "Towage Operations" or Tug-and-Tow".
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« Reply #7 on: September 17, 2011, 02:03:12 am »

Great!
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« Reply #8 on: September 17, 2011, 08:25:35 am »


A new sub category has now been set up headed 'Tugs and Towing' and can be found under the main Tug category.

The usual rules apply and because they will mostly be distant shots care must be taken that the subject should be seen as clear and sharp.

The category Admin will be submitting guidelines for this category.

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« Reply #9 on: September 17, 2011, 06:02:59 pm »


I have just had a look at the new sub category and most seem to be in the spirit intended of tugs at work towing various types of cargo/craft and here I would like to tress that this sub category is intended for just that kind of shipping operation such as Barges, Jack up rigs, and other miscellaneous items that are seen being towed by tugs.

It is not intended for tugs assisting ships that are under their own power such as those arriving and departing from ports with tug assistance, it may look like the ship is being towed but it isn't, that is accepted as normal shipping practice and the ship being assisted would be the main subject and should be put in the appropriate category, the names of the Tugs can be placed in the description box, photographs considered as not suitable will be put back in the correct category.

The emphasis of this new category is on towing and not assisting so please bear that in mind, as it is a new category just introduced and for the benefit of those members not sure please send me a pm message, FAQs for the category will be published shortly.

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« Reply #10 on: September 17, 2011, 08:29:59 pm »

Thanks to Ken for setting up and describing the rationale behind this new sub-category to 'tugs'. I will be drafting up some FAQs for this over the next few days and then back tracking through the main 'tugs' category to relocate images as appropriate. Its a large amount of images to wade through so will not be completed overnight!
In the meantime should any clarification or guidance be required please feel free to send a pm message to myself as well as Ken. We're here to help.
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« Reply #11 on: September 18, 2011, 11:21:01 pm »

Thanks Ken !
From what I understand
The new category might be resumed as dead-ship towing.
Docking or assisting doesn't fall into it.

When docking with tugs if we see the whole  or more "than half the above water area of the larger ship", posting  goes to the larger ship category.

Am I right?

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« Reply #12 on: September 19, 2011, 09:46:11 am »


Yes Jean, I think that sums it up very well, Dead Ship/Cargo is what the category is all about and it fills a need for his type of shipping practice, as I have said Tugs assisting berthing or docking operations should not be included, because a Tug is at the head of a ship it does not necessarily mean it is towing the ship because the ship would normally still be under its own power so this would come under Tugs assisting, and in this case the ship being assisted would be the Main Subject and would have it own category.

Apologies if I appear to be repeating myself but I have already had to reallocate some photographs which were mistakenly placed in this new category.

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« Reply #13 on: September 20, 2011, 09:07:18 pm »

Hi all,

Note that we have renamed this sub-category 'Tugs with tow' to differentiate it from tug operations in general which may include ship handling, which it is not intended to include within this sub-category. Until full FAQ guidelines are drawn up for this and the main tugs category please see the below as a guide specific to the 'Tugs with tow' sub-category, in addition to the site standards for all photographs which must of course be complied with:

"This category is intended for pictures of tugs which include the subject of the tow as well as the tug.

This may include barges, lighters, rigs, dead ships or any of the other things which a tug may be called upon to tow.

Pusher tugs with craft and tug/barge combinations should also be posted in this category.

Pictures of tugs involved in towage operations where the tug fills the majority of the picture and the tow is not fully shown should be posted in the main ‘Tugs’ category.

Please ensure that the tug forms a significant element of the picture, otherwise post in the correct category for the craft being towed if one exists.

It is NOT for pictures of ship handling operations such as a tug assisting a vessel which is under its own power when entering or leaving a port, nor for tugs carrying out escort duties. Pictures of tugs carrying out these duties should be placed in the main ‘Tugs’ category if they are the predominant subject of the picture or in the correct vessel category if the ship being assisted is the main subject of the picture. The names of the tugs can then be placed in the description box."

So far it seems to be working well with only the odd ship handling picture posted there.

I have been through the first 10,000 pictures in the main 'tugs' category and moving appropriate ones into the new sub-category. Only another 50,000 or so to go!

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John J.
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« Reply #14 on: September 21, 2011, 04:06:46 pm »

Hi John,

Have moved a few for you!
If you have started from the oldest one do you want me to start from the front when i have some more time.?

I am off to Scotland next week

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Derek
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