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Allan RO
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« on: November 29, 2010, 11:07:27 am »

Hi there all,

Last evening I saw a photo by Capt. Hilmar Snorrason of a vessel Thor taken in Reykjavik in 2005.  There was no IMO, but a little digging suggested it was one of the forner Icelandic gun boats used in the cod wars of the 1970's.   The admin's comment was that it had been 'dumped' in the 'shipping' category !!   

I left a message saying that as the vessel is of historical importance, although another small fishing vessel is moored at the stern of the ship, it should be retained.  The presence of 2 vessels of dissimilar types suggests the 'shipping' category to be the correct one for the photo, rather than it having been 'dumped' there.  Dumped being the rather unattractive wording of the Admin involved.   Hey presto, by this morning it had gone from the 'considered for deletion' category.

I have no idea as to whether it has been retained as even with an 'advanced search' the site comes up with over 1100 photo's involving the name 'Thor' which I am certainly not going through.

Two points here: the photo was posted in 2005, and we were told there would be no retrospective deletions.  But clearly there are !!!   Secondly, as a new Thor is currently on delivery to the Iceland coastguard, the Thor in the picture was probably laid up awaiting her fate - so could not really be classified.

I am worried that many historical photos may be wiped from the site by ignorance and a general lack of understanding of what might actually be of historical maritime significance.

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« Reply #1 on: November 29, 2010, 04:14:09 pm »

The said vessel Thor is still afloat and I cannot understand reason for her to be deleted. Thank's Allan for pointing this out as I had not seen these changes.
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« Reply #2 on: November 29, 2010, 04:59:39 pm »

Hi Capt.Hilmar Snorrason,

I have been checking up on the situation that Allan highlighted regarding your photo of Thor.

Having looked at the thumbnail of the deleted shot,and given its historic significance, if you would please re submit the photograph I will ensure it is retained on the site.

Apologies for the inconvenience.

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« Reply #3 on: November 29, 2010, 07:25:13 pm »

Hi Derek

I'm pleased that this pic. may be saved if Capt. Snorrason can be bothered to re-submit it.  Frankly, if it were one of mine I probably would not !!   Why should he have to go to the trouble of re-submitting, when the photo should not have been deleted in the first place.

It was only by chance that I saw the photo and then added comments regarding the history of the vessel and asking that it should be retained.  But even after taking the trouble to do this, the photo was still deleted.   Why ?    Who took the decision to delete, and why were the comments overlooked ?

This suggests that if a photo is 'considered for deletion', it will be anyway, no matter what comments are attached to it, nor indeed whether it may or may not be of any particular significance.

The main point of concern raised here is how many other photos are going to be lost to the site through a seeming general ignorance of shipping and the over zealous deletion mind-set of certain Admins.

Allan
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« Reply #4 on: November 29, 2010, 07:58:12 pm »

The best and onliest way to protect a foto from deletion by our glorious fotoadmins is to stop uploading any foto.

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« Reply #5 on: November 29, 2010, 08:06:22 pm »

.............this is exact the way I'm going since nearly 2 years.
Some weeks ago they deleted a photo from me from 2006!. The policy here is to have mainstream photos for their commercial use
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« Reply #6 on: November 29, 2010, 11:31:15 pm »

Hi Ken

I note your reply, but basically you have not answered the two main points I raised.   The first being why was a photo posted in 2005 suddenly put up for deletion, when we were assured that there would be no retrospective deletions.  Secondly, after having done a little research on the vessel in the picture and ascertaining that it could be of historical significance, and having put a comment on the photo to that effect, why was it still deleted ?  Did neither of the people responsible for deleting the photo (we are told there is a second opinion required prior to deletion) read my note, or was the posted information simply ignored ?

As you question why I have not put myself forward for any Admin position, I already give of my time to the hobby, as secretary of Solent Maritime Society.  Although not particularly onerous in it's time demands per se, I do prepare a new slide show every year which I also present to a number of local World Ship Society branches, the preparation of which does consume a considerable amount of time.  I also present a second slide show each December which is a review of Solent shipping for that year.  I also have to eke out a living.

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« Reply #7 on: November 30, 2010, 08:05:17 am »

I have never seen a foto of the ADMINS in the Deletion-Category.
Do they have other site standards than the common member?
After the deletion of my foto from the RIJNBORG yesterday (reason was point 5 of the sitestandards for all ships) I checked the account of the fotoadmin. In a really short view I found a high percentage of fotos which absolutely do not comply with the site standards.
The fotoadmins can only judge over other members fotos when their own uploaded fotos comply with the site standards at 100%.

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« Reply #8 on: November 30, 2010, 08:29:45 am »

Hi Juergen,

Photo Admins have to comply with the same site standards as any other member would. I can back that up by saying a couple of my photos were deleted the other day.

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« Reply #9 on: November 30, 2010, 09:02:22 am »

Hi Cody

That leaves me baffled with the simple thought that if you knew they did not comply with site standards, with which you must be well aware, why did you post them. ??

Allan
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« Reply #10 on: November 30, 2010, 09:19:00 am »

Hi Allan,

I thought one of my photos would be fairly boarder line with site standards and the other quite reasonable quality.

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« Reply #11 on: November 30, 2010, 10:02:15 am »

Allan, I too have been in the same boat as Cody recently.  Now no disrespect towards the deletion admins here, but I am getting a bit concerned that we are seeing too many images that are right on the borderline of compliant being deleted especialy if there is some significance to the shot. 

Now as a Admin I hate having to recomend images for deletion and I try to avoid it as much as I possibly can, I will write to the member concerned point out my concerns about the image and more often or not the member will either delete the image them selves and fix it up and repost or they will take a chance, most of the time they are greatful for me pointing it out.

But it concerns me the most is the pre digital camera, Pre Auto focus days and low resolution scanner days, which one of my images deleted recently come under all 3 of these issues, the admin who refered the image for deltion said "the category Admin noted “Picture blurred" how ever when you look at the print you can see the image is passable, but because my scanner at the time was only a low resolution one the image is not as crisp.  Another image was also delted which I posted on behalf of some one and this image was in a deferent category and that admin names the same reason, yet this image was scanned using my current hi resolution scanner and yet you look at the print and it is really clear.  But it is not just my shots (I don't give a damm about them, there are other sites on the net I can post on, if mine get deleted because they don't meet the standards well so be it) but it is the images taken and posted by people who are no longer active on the site or deceased that do have significance that are also going.  Then there is the images of people who are scanning their slide collection with El Cheapo Slide Scanners from their local department store, which are not compatible with any windows or mac photosoftware and the files have to be converted into a friendly photo format which after editing they loose quality.

Now I am not going to turn around and accuse my fellow admins of saying they need their eyes tested or anything like that.  But I do wonder if perhaps the guidlines/standards/rules etc perhaps need to be reviewed, maybe perhaps simplified so that they do come across clearer for new membes to understand, yes I know that many of you are going to turn round and say "no they don't they couldn't be any simpler or clearer" and then there will be members who agree with me.  I don't want to see the site get filled up with irelevant, uselss and unsuitable crap, but I do want to see more flexibiltiy.

Deletions always will be a subject that no one is ever happy about and there is no way the Admins, Webmaster or the site owner can please every one, but now that I have voice my opinion I ask you all not to turn this into another long drawn out debate.  I ask you to please be patient of the admin team, after all as Ken Smith as said we are only human and humans do make mistakes.

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« Reply #12 on: November 30, 2010, 01:54:28 pm »

I have never seen a foto of the ADMINS in the Deletion-Category.
Do they have other site standards than the common member?
After the deletion of my foto from the RIJNBORG yesterday (reason was point 5 of the sitestandards for all ships) I checked the account of the fotoadmin. In a really short view I found a high percentage of fotos which absolutely do not comply with the site standards.
The fotoadmins can only judge over other members fotos when their own uploaded fotos comply with the site standards at 100%.

Rgds.
Juergen

Hello Jürgen,

you are very wrong here, may I say !! Just recently, I got a few of my photos deleted, due not to meeting the standards. Recently, that one here, which I thought is a good harbour-overview despite the big ship. http://www.vesseltracker.com/de/ShipPhotos/661376-Queen-Mary-2-9241061.html

It got deleted, as not meeting the FAQ. No loading/unloading facilities visible etc.

That is not the only one, other one were nightshots which were perhaps not the best quality, according to admins, and they were right, or obstructed ship.

So, there are definitely no extra-rules for admins  Grin I think, it is important to say "good bye" to the attitude that you are objective towards you own photos. It is, I think a hard job to be objective towards own photos, and I admit, I fail sometimes too, despite I try to always ask: Does the photo meet criteria ? If it was someone else's - not my - photo - would I found it worth, to look at ?

After all, in the end, photos deleted that do not meet criteria, no matter admins' or not, will only help to rise the quality of the collection on this site !!

Greetings,

Cornelia
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« Reply #13 on: November 30, 2010, 08:13:48 pm »

Hello,

It was a very nice picture of the Rijnborg.
Once something other than just a picture of a boat.
Beautiful white area and the boat was visible!
Are worse pictures on Shipspotting.

Marcel
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« Reply #14 on: November 30, 2010, 11:06:21 pm »

Hi all

I can not seem to see the post I added this afternoon.  It's too late to try to remember it all, but the gist of it was that despite three rather lengthy replies, my original point about retrospective deletions, has still NOT been answered.

Allan
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