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Re: "Dyvi Pacific" capsized
« Reply #15 on: April 26, 2009, 04:33:13 PM »
I guess the engines might have survived if they weren't running. But they can still have sustained serious damage. The engines weren't constructed to lie on the side, so there will be huge stress on the block and that will probably cause serious deflection of the crank- and camshafts. And seawater is really bad for an engine too, even if it wasn't running when exposed.
I guess whether they'll be salvaged is entirely down to the ship owner (and if insured, the classification society). Some of the more dubious owners would probably try to salvage the engines to save a few dollars (despite it probably being more expensive in the long run)... I haven't really heard that much about "Dyvi", so I have no idea what their reputation is like...

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Re: "Dyvi Pacific" capsized
« Reply #16 on: April 26, 2009, 08:08:09 PM »
Dyvi is an old and much respected shipowning company, based in Norway. http://www.dyvi.no/index.php?Cat_Id=1

It was one of the first to enter the specialised car carrier business, and also the first to order newbuild semi-sub heavylift vessels (Dyvi Swan, Dyvi Swift, Dyvi Teal and Dyvi Tern - all now part of Dockwise and with names less the "Dyvi" prefix").

Today they own PCC/PCTC vessels, which are mainly chartered to Mitsui OSK, NYK, K-Line, H

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Re: One way to ged rid of unwanted car carriers......
« Reply #17 on: April 28, 2009, 09:21:36 PM »
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They were maybe trying to deliver her as soon as possible because the car trade world wide is very "BUSY" now      


I have just been to a house of a man who makes parts for Nissan factory in Sunderland-I asked how work was and he said "Nissan has never been as busy " his company is considering starting a third shift to keep up with the demand!!

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Re: One way to ged rid of unwanted car carriers......
« Reply #18 on: April 30, 2009, 04:53:13 PM »
The Dyvi Pacific did not capzise during trials. The vessel lost stabilty at outfitting berth on 29March. Luckily there were noone hurt due to the accident. She was far from completed. I know because I was there. The pictures you see does not reflect the cruel reality. Seeing it with your own eyes is quite different. And in case you wonder, abt USD 80 mil is possibly down the drain.  :-(

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Re: One way to ged rid of unwanted car carriers......
« Reply #19 on: April 30, 2009, 06:16:19 PM »
Hei Sture,

Glad to hear you are OK and that noone got hurt. That is the most important thing, although I feel very sorry for all the proud workers who have seen their hard work end up damaged like that.

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Re: One way to ged rid of unwanted car carriers......
« Reply #20 on: April 30, 2009, 09:19:19 PM »
Hey Sture! Thanks for the info, much appreciated! One can only imagine how much damage something like this will do to a ship!

Good to hear that no one got hurt indeed! I'm just wondering how this sort of thing can happen!? I am aware of the fact that car carriers aren't known for their rock steady stability, but still... How do you capsize a ship in port without actually loading it with something? Was there some sort of leak? Because other than that, I can't really imagine what could result in such a catastrophic loss of stability?! It reminds me of the "Repubblica di Genova" incident where the chief mate was actually capable of saying that everyone had to get off the ship because it was about to do a bellyflop!

Anyway, always sad to see a ship suffering such a fate! Any words on whether they are going to try and salvage the ship, or if it will just be sold to the highest bidder and then, probably, be chopped up?

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Re: One way to ged rid of unwanted car carriers......
« Reply #21 on: May 01, 2009, 08:23:40 AM »
Thanks Sture for the correct info. Not surprising that Tradewinds got it wrong as they probably had to translate the story from Chinese media.

Glad too that no-one was hurt.

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Re: One way to ged rid of unwanted car carriers......
« Reply #22 on: May 01, 2009, 08:29:35 AM »
I do see several reasons of capsizing for car carriers while already trafficing, but for Dyvi Pacific case - hard to say, at the outfitting pier it is quite difficult to get top heavy loaded. Onboard last car carrier I worked, CO2 installation was located just under funnel, but filling it with some 40-60tons of co2 - it cant be the issue here. Hopefully investigations brings out reasons(s).
p.s. Reppublica Di Genova investigation report - has anybody seen/read/heard abt it?

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Re: One way to ged rid of unwanted car carriers......
« Reply #23 on: May 01, 2009, 11:24:49 AM »
I suspect that an accident report for the Genoa would be in Italian... There is a little information on the accident here:

http://cargolaw.com/2007nightmare_genoa.html#the-feature

mostly speculations surrounding bad loading plans, misdeclared container weights or unsafe fluid transfer (so they pretty much covered all possible causes).

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Re: One way to ged rid of unwanted car carriers......
« Reply #24 on: May 02, 2009, 12:05:56 AM »
Nothing is official re cause. If you find a pic of the bottom area you may figure it out yourself what happened...

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Re: One way to ged rid of unwanted car carriers......
« Reply #25 on: May 02, 2009, 02:47:47 PM »
According to Shipgaz http://www.shipgaz.com/news/top20/top7_news.php then the story looks like this:

The brand new car carrier Dyvi Pacific has been declared a total loss only a few weeks before its delivery from the Chinese shipbuilder. The vessel hit a rock in the river while manoeuvring just before her sea trials. The ship managed to return to the fitting out quay but sank alongside. The Dvyi Pacific is a 6,500 unit vessel built as the first of three for Fleischer & Co A/S, Oslo, with commercial operation in H
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Re: One way to ged rid of unwanted car carriers......
« Reply #26 on: May 04, 2009, 12:50:40 PM »
looking at the pictures I cannot imagine the ship manoeuvering, at least not under its own power. The bridge isn

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Re: One way to ged rid of unwanted car carriers......
« Reply #27 on: May 04, 2009, 04:49:10 PM »
It does seem somewhat irrational to start masking off windows to paint the bridge if you have a hole in the bottom and there is a risk of the ship capsizing!

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Re: One way to ged rid of unwanted car carriers......
« Reply #28 on: May 04, 2009, 08:11:14 PM »
I notice that she was facing the bow of the sister "Dyvi Atlantic" when they were both christened some days before the casualty (see link to pictures in one of my earlier posts on this thread).

When she capsized she had been turned 180 degrees, and had the rear facing the bow of "Dyvi Atlantic". Thus, they have probably turned her for the photo ops, then turned her back (using tugs) a few days later, struck a rock and then capsized alongside - possibly because pumps were not installed / working yet.

Sorry to be speculating like that, but it does seem like a logical sequence of events considering she was clearly not ready for trials yet.

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Re: One way to ged rid of unwanted car carriers......
« Reply #29 on: May 07, 2009, 10:21:27 AM »
and just another interesting site for such

www.cargolaw.com/2003nightmare_hual.html

 

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