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Klaas-Jan Brouwer
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« on: November 12, 2007, 10:57:38 am »

Dear (Polish) members,

I have some questions about the shipyard(s) in Gdansk (Poland).
I’ve read an article in Lloyd’s List named ‘Gdansk yard’s future still in doubt’.

Gdansk Shipyard has a well known history, with 1980 as a milestone, which can be said.  The shipyard is a state-owned shipyard, and is now in financial problems by misspending aid of $69m. from the EU). The yard has to close 2 slipways…
Anthony Veder orders one LNG Tanker at Remontowa S.A., also located in Gdansk. I can find this also on the site of Remontowa. But when I’m searching on their site, I see that Remontowa has other newbuildings (i.e. the AHTS 100). This type of tug is contracted by Remontowa S.A. and build at Northern Shipyard, also located in Gdansk. Pictures of the launching of this tug show me that this is a sideway launching.

My question is: how many yards are there in Gdansk? Because in shipbuilding papers I only can find one yard, the Gdansk Yard, and not Remontowa and / or Northern Shipyard.
Are there 3 shipyards in Gdansk, which all are independent of each other, or is it one company which has 3 divisions? If so, what happens with the newbuilding orders such as the LNG Tanker?

I cannot find this information on internet. I hope some (Polish) members can give me a good answer!

Keep up the good work!

Klaas-Jan
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« Reply #1 on: November 12, 2007, 01:57:39 pm »

Hi,
I think that site about polish shipyards will be good for you
http://sharon.cto.gda.pl/
Northern(Polnocna)Shipyard are member of REMONTOWA Group.
Gdanska Shipyard are member of GDYNIA Shipyard Group.
about LNG >>> http://www.remontowa.pl/index.php?n=428
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« Reply #2 on: November 12, 2007, 03:13:06 pm »

Hi Jasa

The picture in Gdańsk is more complex.  Northern Shipyard are part of Remontowa Group and most Remontowa new builds are actually built on the Northern Shipyard shipways, with fitting out at the Remontowa yard.   Stal-Rem are also part of the Remontowa group and carry out building of hulls (fishing boats / tugs etc) at Northern Shipyard.
 
There are still 3 slipways open on the Stocznia Gdańska site (now part of Stocznia Gdynia Gp) and they build some of the vessels for the Group especially the 8184 type box boats.  Stocznia Gdańska have also recently built hulls of seismic survey vessels for Bergen Mek. Verk. Geo Pacific and Geo Caribbean.   It would appear the slips are also utilised by other companies such as Crist and Stal-Rem from time to time.  

Also operating at Gdańsk are the yards of Crist, mainly large fishing vessels and research vessels such as James Cook and the river shipyard Stocznia Wisła which is currently building 5 fishing vessels, WKT33,8 for Angola.

If the EU get their way and close 2 slipways at SG, it will be the end of shipbuilding on the site, it can not survive with only one slipway.   Its difficult for the yards to compete with Japan, Korea and China as it is, what the hell do EU beaurocrats know about shipbuilding anyway ?

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« Reply #3 on: November 12, 2007, 03:30:31 pm »

Hi again,

About Remontowa. They have newbuildings (or outfitting of casco's), but how about the repair? Is it the only shipyard in Gdansk whit drydocks for shiprepairs?
And if I'm right, Remontowa is NOT a part of Gdanska Shipyard (which is part of Stocznia Gdynia???)?

Greetz

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« Reply #4 on: November 12, 2007, 04:37:35 pm »

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My question is: how many yards are there in Gdansk? Because in shipbuilding papers I only can find one yard, the Gdansk Yard, and not Remontowa and / or Northern Shipyard.


In Gdansk we have 3 bigger shipyards: Gdansk Shipyard (Stocznia Gdansk SA), Northern Shipyard (Stocznia Polnocna) and Remontowa Shipyard (Stocznia Remontowa).
Northern and Remontowa are now together in "Remontowa Group". Northern in the past builded vessels for Warsaw Pact navies (mainly landing crafts). Remontowa is now repairing ships in dry docks.
Gdansk Shipyard was in Gdynia Shipyard Group (Grupa Stoczni Gdynia) from 1998 to 2006. Now it is again independent.
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« Reply #5 on: November 12, 2007, 04:37:49 pm »

Hi there,

I thought my previous post had explained the Gdańsk situation.   Remontowa is NOT part of Stocznia Gdynia-Gdańska Gp.   Remontowa Gp. comprises Gdańska Stocznia Remontowa, Northern Shipyard and Stal-Rem and various other smaller component parts.  As far as I am aware, only Remontowa have dry/floating docks for major ship repair.  Remontowa's newbuilds are built on the slipways of Northern Shipyard.

Stocznia Gdanska was formed from the remnants of the former Ferdinand Schichau Werft and Northern Shipyard from the remains of Danziger Werft.

Other major ship repairs in the area are carried out in Gdynia at Stocznia Marynarki (Naval Shipyard) and Nauta Ship Repair Yard.

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« Reply #6 on: October 04, 2008, 10:18:43 am »

REMONTOWA Group:
- Gdańsk Shiprepair Yard Remontowa SA
    mother company of the Group
    most newbuilding  contracts are recently signed by Remontowa SA
    or REMONTOWA Group with great majority of newbuilding orders
    executed by (ships actually built at) Northern Shipyard
    (Stocznia Północna)
- Northern Shipyard (Stocznia Północna)
    recently most project managers for particular newbuildings come from Remontowa
    also - if needed - workforce in direct production is sometimes transferred from Remontowa to Northern Shipyard for particular tansk on newbuildings
    outfitting of ships built at Northern Shipyard is very rare in Remontowa
    Remontowa facilities are used usually only for some docking works before delivery...
    Remontowa will also sometimes be performing launching of Northern yard built ships (built on land at Northern, skidded onto a floating dock at Northern, dock transferred to Remontowa and there the ship is launched) - the first such case was with BBC Gdansk (second unit from the series opened by BBC Kwiatkowski, just delivered)
- Stal-Rem (recently (this year) with reduced activity) - partially outfitted hulls, usually built at Northern Shipyard facilities

 - - - - -

Stocznia Gdansk (Gdansk Shipyard) - the successor of THIS Gdansk Shipyard of "Solidarity" and Walesa fame...
until some point last year it was a member of Gdynia Shipyard group
later it existed as state owned company independently for several months and was privatised roughly at the end of 2007 / early 2008 by Ukrainian industrial group Donbas (and its Polish subsidiary ISD Polska)
ISD is now bidding also for Gdynia Shipyard
Gdansk Shipyard uses for launching actually only 2 slipways / building berths, although it has 3 at its disposal... - all in one area...
in ANOTHER area of FORMER Gdańsk Shipyard there are 2 slipways (not owned and not hired by TODAY's Gdansk Shipyard)..  these slipways already started to be dismantled / demolished at some point, but this was stopped and at least one of them is now used (hired) by Crist (privately owned shipyard) for building partially outfitted hulls...

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Crist has at least two locations in Gdansk (if I am not wrong - probably also the third one - in Gdansk's Northern Port):
- slipway, production hall and area hired from Synergia (developer / land owning company, which took over some area of former Gdansk Shipyard)
- own location where ships are being built on land for skidding onto a barge, for subsequent skidding onto a floating dock for launching

 - - - - -

Maritim Shipyard
with main location in Gdansk
also with facilities (usually on hired land) in Gdynia and Szczecin
Maritim is probably the largest Poland's "cascos" (partially outfitted hulls) manufacturing company...
it manufactured MANY hulls of interesting ships delivered by West European yards, including:
- Bourbon Orca (world's first X-Bow ship) and most of production of Ulstein in recent years
- Maria S. Merian
- the largest X-Bow ship delivered so far
- G.O. Sars (transported in sections to Norway)
- bulbous bow of Queen Mary 2

 - - - - -

Alkor Shipyard
occupied mainly with repairs, sometimes with minor conversions
has a floating dock within area of OLD (former) Gdansk Shipyard and hires land (I do not know - either from Synergia or from current Gdansk Shipyard)
their floating dock is used for launching ships for Crist and Marine Projects

 - - - - -

Odys Shipyard
hires land in the port of Gdansk
and land and construction halls from Synergia within area of FORMER Gdansk Shipyard

 - - - - -

Marine Projects
they build partially outfitted hulls AND fully equipped (turn-key delivery) vessels, including multipurpose coasters and small tugs
they build fully equipped vessels but usually on the account of West European yards (eg. Bodewes)


and these are not all yards operating in Gdansk...
but probably the most important ones / the biggest ones...
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« Reply #7 on: October 04, 2008, 10:22:52 am »

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As far as I am aware, only Remontowa have dry/floating docks for major ship repair.
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Remontowa has own FLOATING docks in Gdansk and hires one (the smaller one) DRY dock from Gdynia Shipyard for several months now (at least until the end of this year)...

Remontowa floating docks are not only used for repairs but sometimes also for extensive conversions...
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« Reply #8 on: October 04, 2008, 04:01:05 pm »

>>>>>
Gdansk Shipyard has a well known history, with 1980 as a milestone, which can be said. The shipyard is a state-owned shipyard, and is now in financial problems by misspending aid of $69m. from the EU).
<<<<<

The shipyard is not state owned any more. It was privatised towards the end of 2007. It is owned by ISD Polska - Polish subsidiary of Ukrainian industrial groub Donbas.

The aid was not from the EU.

The problem with EU is that it steals independence and sovreignity from member countries - the fact that was unfortunately overlooked by those people, who were voting for joining EU in referenda in various countries...

The matter relates to Polish government aid (Polish taxpayers' money) to shipyards, not the "EU money"...

The problem is that Brussels dictates / imposes whether the country may help (support) its shipyards with public funds or not...
Maybe it would be good (to protect fair competition, etc..).
However in one instance EU does not allow Polish government (Polish taxpayers) to support Polish yards, but in another instance EU allows much more money to be fastly pumped in Belgian or French banks during current crisis...  that's certainly inconsistent and not fair, that various countries and various industries are treated much differently...  

as far as EU's "caring" for free market and fair competition is concerned - look also at agriculture, heavy subsidized for years (which, paradoxically, brought only increase of food prices, and nothing good)...


get ready for HUGE energy prices increases in the years to come (much higher than actual price rises of energetic raw materials), because of UE policy of insane, exagerated "pro-environmental surcharges" imposed on fuel, cars, airline tickets, etc.
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« Reply #9 on: October 04, 2008, 04:10:21 pm »

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Remontowa is now repairing ships in dry docks


Remontowa has floating docks, not drydocks...
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