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Author Topic: Unidentified body Isles of Scilly 21 Feb 1979 - Can you help?  (Read 1394 times)
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« on: February 06, 2021, 01:36:21 pm »

Good afternoon,

I'm Emma, a volunteer from Locate International. We review unsolved unidentified body and missing persons cases at no cost to families or the police.

Over forty years ago, on the 21st February 1979, a body of a man washed ashore Porth Minick beach on St Mary’s, the largest of the five islands that make up the Isles of Scilly. The islands are located about 40km off the southwestern tip of Cornwall, in the Atlantic Ocean.

The man was believed to have been born amid the world wars and aged between 40 and 60 years old. He had been in the water for up to four months. He was white and about 5ft 4 with dark brown greying hair, wore a two-tone blue and white short sleeved shirt with a woollen Eltex vest underneath.

On the ring finger of his right hand, he wore a gold band, believed to be a wedding ring. The ring had an inscription which read “Georgio and Katrina 1956”.

Despite the passage of time, the man has never been identified.

For the past year, we have focused on the possibility that this man could have been from a ship. We have been obtaining crew lists from shipping disasters to identify any Georgio/Georgios or similar.

So far we have eliminated the following shipping disasters from our enquiries having obtained the crew lists:

MS München (12 Dec 1978)
MV Tenorga (28 Dec 1978)
Betelgeuse (8 Jan 1979)

We have also obtained crew lists for the following shipping disasters and are actively conducting ancestry research into the crew members:

Andros Patria (31 December 1978)
MV Cantonad (4 January 1979)

Can you help us identify any other shipping disasters of interest?

Any help would be much appreciated.

Best wishes

Emma
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« Reply #1 on: February 06, 2021, 02:03:03 pm »

Good day Madam,

Many ships casualties are reported by year by Lloyd Register on https://hec.lrfoundation.org.uk/archive-library/casualty-returns

But small fishing vessels, naval vessels and pleasure crafts wreckages are not listed.

Note that the body could be also a man over board, without wreckage.

Good luck for your investigations.
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« Reply #2 on: February 06, 2021, 02:08:02 pm »

Thank you very much Yvon.

All the best,

Emma
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« Reply #3 on: February 06, 2021, 05:23:56 pm »

I checked the French weekly newspaper 'Le Marin' for October, November and December 1978 and January 1979.

Except the wreckages of merchant ships :

On December 13th, the french trawler ALCYON disappeared with all hands (10), in the South of Irish Sea. Infortunately, I cannot find the crew list except the master's name. Bodies were never recovered.


The NIELSE DANIELSEN's cook (the article reports NIELLE, I assume NIELSE), falled overboard 20 nautical milles, North of Brittany, on December 23rd 1978.
According to Lloyd Register 1979-80, the shipowner was Rederiet Otto Danielsen (Denmark).
Dansk Illustreret Skiblist 1984 gives the address : Otto Danielsen, Toldbodgade 29, 1253 KOPENHAVN K.
Perhaps Danish members will be able to give more up-to-date contacts.


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« Reply #4 on: February 07, 2021, 11:54:41 am »

Thanks Yvon - I'll look into those now.

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« Reply #5 on: February 21, 2021, 03:22:02 pm »

Hi,

Please find attached the crew list of the trawler ALCYON.
Apparently no link with the name 'Georgio'.

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« Reply #6 on: February 21, 2021, 04:22:49 pm »

Hi,this is a very sensitive matter but could be any relation between the inscription Georgio and the patron name Georges?
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« Reply #7 on: February 21, 2021, 04:48:36 pm »

Thank you both. What is a patron? Apologies I have limited knowledge in this area. I really appreciate your assistance. Best wishes, Emma
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« Reply #8 on: February 21, 2021, 04:57:00 pm »

Patron = master (for small vessels)

@Victor radio : I don't know the rules about the names on wedding rings and if it is usual to use a nickname. But you are right, every possibility must be explored.

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« Reply #9 on: February 21, 2021, 05:22:04 pm »

Thanks both. I've shared this with the team and we'll now conduct some ancestry research into Georges! Thank you. If there are any other shipping incidents of interest please do let me know. Best wishes, Emma
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« Reply #10 on: February 21, 2021, 05:48:51 pm »

Hi Yvon,

Do you have a link to the article about the NIELSE DANIELSEN's cook?

Thank you so much!

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« Reply #11 on: February 21, 2021, 06:05:51 pm »

This is very interesting...

http://www.shipspotting.com/gallery/photo.php?lid=2996899

We know the inscription on the ring was in Greek. It appears that Nielse Danielsen had a connection with Greece. I wonder how we could find the name of the cook who went overboard?

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« Reply #12 on: February 21, 2021, 06:43:51 pm »

Red Otto Danielsen still in being. Contact address on web page   https://ottodanielsen.com/
If they did lose a cook I'm sure records or memories would confirm.
Address = Rederiet Otto Danielsen A/S , Strandvejen 102E, 2900 Hellerup, Denmark
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« Reply #13 on: February 21, 2021, 10:24:04 pm »

Thank you Chas - that’s really helpful.
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« Reply #14 on: February 21, 2021, 10:27:29 pm »

Attached the article from the newspaper 'Le Marin' édited 29 Dec 1978.
The link is not free, you need a subscription to access to the archives. Sorry.

Translation :
Saturday morning, 23 December (1978), the Dutch general cargo ship NIELSE DANIELSEN lost one of her crew members, the cook. That's happened in unclear circumstances, at 20 nautical milles North of l'Aber-Wrac'h (North of Brittany). Ships and helicopters tried without success to locate the man. The search was interrupted around 17h00.

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