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« Reply #135 on: January 20, 2021, 02:35:06 pm »

Are you worried that the Pacific Princess could be sold for scrap? I don't think that's possible. She's not that old, but her being in the Azamara fleet does make sense as half of the R-Class would belong to Azamara if that were to happen. Besides, the other four R-Class vessels belong to Oceana Cruises, so that could be something.

No, I was not worried about her being sold for scrap, though I disagree with you regarding such a thing being not possible. In these uncertain times anything is possible. Remember, the R-class ships are now around 20 years old. For several years I have wondered why Princess has retained her in their fleet, she does not fit in their fleet of huge ships at all. Oceania would not want to acquire her, being focussed on new tonnage. Azamara would not have bought her whilst they were under Royal Caribbean ownership (they were much more focussed on the Silverseas brand). So now that Azamara has new owners this might be an ideal opportunity for Princess to dispose of the odd ship in the fleet and an opportunity for her to be acquired for maybe a not very high price.
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« Reply #136 on: January 20, 2021, 02:46:01 pm »

Having bought the company and its ships for what is regarded as a bargain price we can just hope that they have some spare cash available to buy the lone R-class ship still out there, Pacific Princess, and bring her back to her sisters.
Are you worried that the Pacific Princess could be sold for scrap? I don't think that's possible. She's not that old, but her being in the Azamara fleet does make sense as half of the R-Class would belong to Azamara if that were to happen. Besides, the other four R-Class vessels belong to Oceana Cruises, so that could be something.

No, I was not worried about her being sold for scrap, though I disagree with you regarding such a thing being not possible. In these uncertain times anything is possible. Remember, the R-class ships are now around 20 years old. For several years I have wondered why Princess has retained her in their fleet, she does not fit in their fleet of huge ships at all. Oceania would not want to acquire her, being focussed on new tonnage. Azamara would not have bought her whilst they were under Royal Caribbean ownership (they were much more focussed on the Silverseas brand). So now that Azamara has new owners this might be an ideal opportunity for Princess to dispose of the odd ship in the fleet and an opportunity for her to be acquired for maybe a not very high price.

Yeah, it makes sense that Azamara could now buy the Pacific Princess. Even though the R-Class is now 20 years old, they have been updated. Most vessels being scrapped are in their 30's or 40s, so the R-Class would be safe for at least 10 more years.
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« Reply #137 on: January 21, 2021, 05:04:12 am »

Cordelia Cruises hasn't responded to anything about the Majesty of the Seas and she is still laid up in Greece. I suspect that they may be or are selling her for scrap.
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« Reply #138 on: January 21, 2021, 09:44:41 am »

Cordelia Cruises hasn't responded to anything about the Majesty of the Seas and she is still laid up in Greece. I suspect that they may be or are selling her for scrap.

It is my understanding that Cordelia Cruises were 'only' acquiring Empress of the Seas. The Indian cruise market is in its infancy so I cannot imagine there would even be the need for them to take on a second vessel, especially at this time - even it is available at a give away price.
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« Reply #139 on: January 21, 2021, 04:19:06 pm »

Cordelia Cruises hasn't responded to anything about the Majesty of the Seas and she is still laid up in Greece. I suspect that they may be or are selling her for scrap.

It is my understanding that Cordelia Cruises were 'only' acquiring Empress of the Seas. The Indian cruise market is in its infancy so I cannot imagine there would even be the need for them to take on a second vessel, especially at this time - even it is available at a give away price.

But when Royal Carribbean sold Majesty and Empress, thay had said that they were both sold to 'an undisclosed buyer in Asia'. Cordelia Cruises later confirmed that they did acquire Empress from Royal Caribbean, so it makes sense that they also bought Majesty. But why not announce it? Are they waiting to see if Empress does well in India after the Karnika fiasco to put Majesty in service or are they trying to resell her to another cruise line or even for scrap. Majesty is still laid up in Souda, Greece and it's not that far from Aliaga, Turkey so maybe she'll sail there, but we just got to wait and see.
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« Reply #140 on: January 23, 2021, 02:55:15 pm »

Cordelia Cruises hasn't responded to anything about the Majesty of the Seas and she is still laid up in Greece. I suspect that they may be or are selling her for scrap.

It is my understanding that Cordelia Cruises were 'only' acquiring Empress of the Seas. The Indian cruise market is in its infancy so I cannot imagine there would even be the need for them to take on a second vessel, especially at this time - even it is available at a give away price.

But when Royal Carribbean sold Majesty and Empress, thay had said that they were both sold to 'an undisclosed buyer in Asia'. Cordelia Cruises later confirmed that they did acquire Empress from Royal Caribbean, so it makes sense that they also bought Majesty. But why not announce it? Are they waiting to see if Empress does well in India after the Karnika fiasco to put Majesty in service or are they trying to resell her to another cruise line or even for scrap. Majesty is still laid up in Souda, Greece and it's not that far from Aliaga, Turkey so maybe she'll sail there, but we just got to wait and see.

I suspect that they're going to sell Majesty for scrap.
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« Reply #141 on: January 29, 2021, 02:33:15 pm »

Sovereign has been nearly reduced to her keel. https://www.instagram.com/reel/CKoP6mAJZLD/?igshid=1jy855q49b5gd
Not much work has been done onto Monarch. https://www.instagram.com/reel/CKoPz00pqkl/?igshid=23e53lvjttj
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« Reply #142 on: February 01, 2021, 04:18:18 pm »

Majesty (of the Seas) arrived at Piraeus Port .Still unknown the reason why

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbv0qGGxuFY
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« Reply #143 on: February 01, 2021, 07:56:36 pm »

Majesty (of the Seas) arrived at Piraeus Port .Still unknown the reason why

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbv0qGGxuFY


The last remaining Sovereign-class vessel. Her fate doesn't seem bright. Considering her age and her selling situation, It's very likely that she will join her sisters on the shipbreaking beaches of Aliaga, Turkey.
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« Reply #144 on: February 03, 2021, 09:10:00 pm »

Majesty (of the Seas) arrived at Piraeus Port .Still unknown the reason why

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbv0qGGxuFY


The last remaining Sovereign-class vessel. Her fate doesn't seem bright. Considering her age and her selling situation, It's very likely that she will join her sisters on the shipbreaking beaches of Aliaga, Turkey.

If her new owners did resell her for scrap, I suspect that they're waiting for Sovereign's scrapping to be finished so Majesty can sail to Aliaga and take her sister's spot in the shipbreakers.
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« Reply #145 on: February 03, 2021, 11:40:18 pm »

Cordelia Cruises may have resold Majesty of the Seas to Seajets. https://www.cruiseindustrynews.com/cruise-news/24313-did-seajets-buy-the-majesty-of-the-seas-from-royal-caribbean.html
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« Reply #146 on: February 06, 2021, 03:10:36 pm »


Well it's confirmed, SeaJets did by Majesty of the Seas from Cordelia Cruises. However, they don't intend to hold onto the ship according to a source. Many are suspecting that SeaJets are going to or is in the process of selling the vessel to the Aliaga shipbreakers, the same place where her sister ships Pullmantur Sovereign and Pullmantur Monarch already being scrapped. Here is the link: https://www.cruisehive.com/is-majesty-of-the-seas-going-to-be-scrapped/46808

Honestly, I think they're waiting for the scrapping of Pullmantur Sovereign to conclude so that Majesty can sail to Aliaga and take her spot to be scrapped. After all, they were the largest cruise ships from 1988 to 1991 but are now 30 years old. It's sad to see them go, but the pandemic has forced companies to shed older vessels.
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« Reply #147 on: February 15, 2021, 05:12:08 pm »

The scrapping of the Pullmantur Sovereign has been finished. She is now just a memory. https://youtu.be/H6gMoMWfJtA
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« Reply #148 on: Yesterday at 03:11:40 pm »

Update from Aliaga, Sovereign's spot is still empty. https://www.instagram.com/reel/CL3olqXJhMG/?igshid=i62u3kozf8l7
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