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« on: June 19, 2020, 09:05:17 am »

Carnival has announced it is to sell off six ships. Each month is costing the company 520 million in port dues.Says it still has 6 billion "in the bank" and has recently raised 5 billion from selling bonds.
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« Reply #1 on: June 22, 2020, 07:30:34 am »

Costa Victoria was sold. 5 ships might go to scrapyard. Thomson Celebration also was sold the scrapyard in Alang. We will see and be shock when we see many cruise ships go to the scrapyards.
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« Reply #2 on: July 08, 2020, 05:39:27 pm »

Carnival already sold the Costa Victoria for scrap and they recently announced that the P&O Oceana has been sold. I have also seen some Fantasy class and HAL ships for sale online so I have made a document showing which vessels that were for sale. Now Carnival already removed the CCL vessel listings from the web, but the HAL vessel listings are still there.
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« Reply #3 on: July 08, 2020, 05:40:42 pm »

Forgot to mention that the Pacific Explorer is also for sale.
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« Reply #4 on: July 09, 2020, 06:52:49 am »

Forgot to mention that the Pacific Explorer is also for sale.

Many of these ships are always for sale, or for many years anyway. Normally, this is done to test the waters and get an idea of the real market valuation of the ships. In the current climate, it could be more serious of course.
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« Reply #5 on: July 11, 2020, 02:09:45 am »

While I agree that this is interesting news, could we consolidate this cruise ship sales and scrapping speculation under a single topic? Currently there are four thread about this on the front page alone:

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« Reply #6 on: July 11, 2020, 02:11:18 am »

We need to keep cruise lines separate.
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« Reply #7 on: July 11, 2020, 03:01:22 pm »

Carnival is now going to sell seven more ships, to the total sold would now be 13. (Yes I removed a post reply due to a post merger.) https://www.cruiseindustrynews.com/cruise-news/23218-carnival-corporation-to-sell-13-cruise-ships.html
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« Reply #8 on: July 11, 2020, 03:26:20 pm »

Now, Carnival already sold the Costa Victoria and the P&O Oceana so thats 2 out of 13, but we can figure out some of the remaining 11 unknown vessels that Carnival will sell based on listings and other situations of ships that we do know the names of. Carnival did placed the CCL vessels Fantasy, Ecstasy, Inspiration, Paradise, and Sunrise for sale as well as HAL's Maasdam, Veendam, and Volendam, and P&O Australia's Pacific Explorer. So that's 9 vessels already listed for sale.

Combining those, that's 11 vessels that may or will leave Carnival Coorporation and Plc. fleet. But wait, there's 2 more missing? I know that's 11 out of 13, but thank about it. P&O Australis's Pacific Dawn and Pacific Aria as well as Costa Cruises' Costa Atlantica and Costa Mediterranea were already sold prior to the pandemic, so they don't count. But that brings up a interesting issue, the fleet of P&O Australia is either for sale or already sold.

With the pandemic and P&O Cruises Australia selling the Pacific Dawn and Pacific Aria to CMV while recently putting the Pacific Explorer for sale means that Carnival is ready to discontinue the P&O Australia brand and remove the vessels. In fact, Princess Cruises were going to transfer the Golden Princess and the Star Princess to P&O Australia. But if Carnival were to shut down P&O Australia, it wouldn't make sense to transfer them to a dead brand. So I think the Golden Princess and the Star Princess are the remaining 2 vessels that Carnival will sell.
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« Reply #9 on: July 11, 2020, 03:32:22 pm »

To summarize, Carnival Corporation Plc. sold or is selling the Costa Victoria, P&O Oceana, Carnival Fantasy, Carnival Ecstasy, Carnival Inspiration, Carnival Paradise, Carnival Sunrise, Maasdam, Veendam, Volendam, Pacific Explorer, Golden Princess, and Star Princess. That's 13 vessels that Carnival will sale in order to maintain money during this pandemic. Some may head to the shipbreakers, so we need to help save the vessels during this pandemic as they are some of the popular vessels to sail on.
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« Reply #10 on: July 12, 2020, 01:37:49 pm »

Carnival Fantasy is in Curacao, showing a destination of Izmir, Turkey.  The march begins.
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« Reply #11 on: July 12, 2020, 02:02:40 pm »

This will be like the 1970s after the oil crisis when there was a whole procession of famous, well-loved ships heading off to the breakers, in those days it was Taiwan. Back then there were a number of ships that were not even 20 years old that were heading for scrap. So this is really nothing new, at least not for those of us that have been around for a while.
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« Reply #12 on: July 12, 2020, 06:57:49 pm »

This will be like the 1970s after the oil crisis when there was a whole procession of famous, well-loved ships heading off to the breakers, in those days it was Taiwan. Back then there were a number of ships that were not even 20 years old that were heading for scrap. So this is really nothing new, at least not for those of us that have been around for a while.

The 1970's saw the loss of some vessels like the Homeric and the Niewu Amsterdam. Back then, it would have been ok, but now it's despicable to think about. Even the 80's and 90's saw vessels head to scrap. In the 1990's, Premier Cruise Line offered to buy HAL's Rotterdam and P&O's Canberra as they were old classics and were being replaced by newer cruise ships, but P&O refused to sell Canberra to Premier Cruises Lines despite them having the highest bid and instead sold her to scrappers in Gadani, Pakistan since they had the second highest bid. Holland America Line agreed to sell Rotterdam to Premier in part due to the Save the SS Rotterdam Campaign and were going to turn her into the Big Red Boat IV, but changed their mind following public outcry and Premier's 1997 reorganization and instead renamed her Rembrandt. She is now In Rotterdam with her original name.

There will be vessels that will be cherished, but with this pandemic and the protests, we can hope that a cruise line will step up and acquire the vessels.
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« Reply #13 on: July 12, 2020, 10:15:32 pm »

I am left utterly amazed by your obvious lack of any real knowledge of ocean liner history. Your dismissive comment regarding the Homeric and the Nieuw Amsterdam is simply breathtaking. Yes, by the early 1970s those two ships were quite old and whilst their voyages to the breakers was perhaps to be expected (especially the Homeric because she was fire damaged). However, what you obviously are totally unaware of is the fact that a vast number of ships that had been built in the late 1940s or early mid 1950s or even the 1960s were sent off to be scrapped in the early 1970s, ships that were barely 20 years old and some not even that old. For example; Iberia, Northern Star, Giulio Cesare, Oronsay, Orcades, Orsova,  Ruahine, Vera Cruz, Santa Maria, Reina del Mar, Ocean Monarch, Nevasa, Chitral, Himalaya, Chusan, S.A. Oranje, Angola, Mocambique, Imperio, Patria, Accra, President Cleveland. Check them out and understand that what we are about to see is nothing more than what has gone before.
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« Reply #14 on: July 13, 2020, 12:33:40 am »

I am left utterly amazed by your obvious lack of any real knowledge of ocean liner history. Your dismissive comment regarding the Homeric and the Nieuw Amsterdam is simply breathtaking. Yes, by the early 1970s those two ships were quite old and whilst their voyages to the breakers was perhaps to be expected (especially the Homeric because she was fire damaged). However, what you obviously are totally unaware of is the fact that a vast number of ships that had been built in the late 1940s or early mid 1950s or even the 1960s were sent off to be scrapped in the early 1970s, ships that were barely 20 years old and some not even that old. For example; Iberia, Northern Star, Giulio Cesare, Oronsay, Orcades, Orsova,  Ruahine, Vera Cruz, Santa Maria, Reina del Mar, Ocean Monarch, Nevasa, Chitral, Himalaya, Chusan, S.A. Oranje, Angola, Mocambique, Imperio, Patria, Accra, President Cleveland. Check them out and understand that what we are about to see is nothing more than what has gone before.

Boy, why you got to judge me!? I didn't put more vessels cause do you really want to see a long list? I just put examples of some of them, yet you think it's unacceptable! Sure, not all of us were around back then, but please don't judge people next time. Keeps things civil, especially during the pandemic.
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