Tony Martin
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« Reply #15 on: July 13, 2020, 08:54:13 am » |
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Received promotional emails today advertising cruises for Pacific Explorer, Volendam and Maasdam 2021 and 2022. I hope the previous posts on these ships demise is factual and not speculation. Don’t believe cruise companies need these negative comments until they confirm. FYI P&O Australia are still taking bookings on three ships until 2022.
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Phil English
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« Reply #16 on: July 13, 2020, 03:07:22 pm » |
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Only those ships confirmed sold by Carnival are factual. Everything else is speculation.
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Angelgreat
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« Reply #18 on: July 16, 2020, 03:18:11 am » |
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https://www.cruiseindustrynews.com/cruise-news/23246-four-holland-america-line-ships-sold.html https://www.cruiseindustrynews.com/cruise-news/23248-fred-olsen-buys-amsterdam-and-rotterdam.htmlConfirmed that Amsterdam and Rotterdam (the cruise ships, not the cities) were sold to Fred. Olsen Cruise Lines. Also it confirms that Maasdam and Veendam were sold to a new cruise line. The sales confirms my ship list. It's weird that Fred Olsen will rename the sixth Rotterdam to Borealis and here are my two reasons: 1. Borealis reminds me of Half Life 2 and Portal 2 2. It reminds us of when the fifth Rotterdam was renamed Remembrant when she was sold to Premier Cruise Line in 1997 (thankfully they didn't turn her into the Big Red Boat IV like they originally planned to). Also, Fred Olsen said it plans to retire two of it's oldest vessels to accommodate the future vessels. This means the 1972-built Black Watch and the 1973-built Boudicca (which are twin vessels) will be retired and likely scrapped like poor old Pullmantur's Sovereign and Monarch.
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Angelgreat
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« Reply #19 on: July 16, 2020, 11:23:07 am » |
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OceanCraft
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« Reply #20 on: July 20, 2020, 05:54:38 pm » |
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Interesting to note, according to Vessel Finder, that both CARNIVAL FANTASY (IMO 8700773) and CARNIVAL INSPIRATION (IMO 9087489) are undertaking Transatlantic crossings from the Panama Canal and each with a destination of Izmir, Turkey. Most probably these two are for Aliaga for scrap, but we have no information to confirm this.
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Angelgreat
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« Reply #21 on: July 21, 2020, 10:03:06 pm » |
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CMV had gone bankrupt so the transfer of P&O Australia's Pacific Dawn and Pacific Aria have been cancelled.
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canberra97
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« Reply #22 on: July 22, 2020, 02:59:50 pm » |
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https://www.cruiseindustrynews.com/cruise-news/23246-four-holland-america-line-ships-sold.html https://www.cruiseindustrynews.com/cruise-news/23248-fred-olsen-buys-amsterdam-and-rotterdam.htmlConfirmed that Amsterdam and Rotterdam (the cruise ships, not the cities) were sold to Fred. Olsen Cruise Lines. Also it confirms that Maasdam and Veendam were sold to a new cruise line. The sales confirms my ship list. It's weird that Fred Olsen will rename the sixth Rotterdam to Borealis and here are my two reasons: 1. Borealis reminds me of Half Life 2 and Portal 2 2. It reminds us of when the fifth Rotterdam was renamed Remembrant when she was sold to Premier Cruise Line in 1997 (thankfully they didn't turn her into the Big Red Boat IV like they originally planned to). Also, Fred Olsen said it plans to retire two of it's oldest vessels to accommodate the future vessels. This means the 1972-built Black Watch and the 1973-built Boudicca (which are twin vessels) will be retired and likely scrapped like poor old Pullmantur's Sovereign and Monarch. Premier Cruises renamed the ROTTERDAM the REMBRANDT NOT the REMEMBRANT. Named of course after the famous Dutch painter and printmaker who was born in Leiden in the Netherlands on the 15 July 1606. But I'm sure that you knew that you had spelt it incorrectly! |
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Intercruises 2006/2013
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Angelgreat
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« Reply #23 on: July 22, 2020, 03:17:53 pm » |
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https://www.cruiseindustrynews.com/cruise-news/23246-four-holland-america-line-ships-sold.html https://www.cruiseindustrynews.com/cruise-news/23248-fred-olsen-buys-amsterdam-and-rotterdam.htmlConfirmed that Amsterdam and Rotterdam (the cruise ships, not the cities) were sold to Fred. Olsen Cruise Lines. Also it confirms that Maasdam and Veendam were sold to a new cruise line. The sales confirms my ship list. It's weird that Fred Olsen will rename the sixth Rotterdam to Borealis and here are my two reasons: 1. Borealis reminds me of Half Life 2 and Portal 2 2. It reminds us of when the fifth Rotterdam was renamed Remembrant when she was sold to Premier Cruise Line in 1997 (thankfully they didn't turn her into the Big Red Boat IV like they originally planned to). Also, Fred Olsen said it plans to retire two of it's oldest vessels to accommodate the future vessels. This means the 1972-built Black Watch and the 1973-built Boudicca (which are twin vessels) will be retired and likely scrapped like poor old Pullmantur's Sovereign and Monarch. Premier Cruises renamed the ROTTERDAM the REMBRANDT NOT the REMEMBRANT. Named of course after the famous Dutch painter and printmaker who was born in Leiden in the Netherlands on the 15 July 1606. But I'm sure that you knew that you had spelt it incorrectly! Thanks for pointing out the typo captain obvious! |
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OceanCraft
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« Reply #24 on: July 23, 2020, 02:36:57 pm » |
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Update: CARNIVAL FANTASY IMO 8700773 in now in the Mediterranean and the destination shown on VesselFinder.com has changed to Aliaga with an arrival date of 28th July 2020 at 0600.
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Angelgreat
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« Reply #25 on: July 23, 2020, 03:13:32 pm » |
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Update: CARNIVAL FANTASY IMO 8700773 in now in the Mediterranean and the destination shown on VesselFinder.com has changed to Aliaga with an arrival date of 28th July 2020 at 0600.
If they dock her and Inspiration next to each other and next to Pullmantur's Sovereign and Monarch, then we got a huge problem. |
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Angelgreat
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« Reply #26 on: July 23, 2020, 03:28:09 pm » |
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Today, Carnival confirmed that they did sell the Carnival Fantasy and Carnival Inspiration. A buyer was not named by Carnival, but it's already obvious they were sold for scrap. Carnival also announced that the Carnival Fascination and Carnival Imagination will move to a long term lay-up status, with no specific timeline identified for a return to operation. This means Carnival could also sell these vessels for scrap at any time. It also means Carnival is ready to retire the Fantasy-class vessels over time. https://www.cruiseindustrynews.com/cruise-news/23274-carnival-sells-two-ships-provides-further-fleet-update.html |
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3SX
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« Reply #27 on: July 26, 2020, 08:01:35 pm » |
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Today, Carnival confirmed
It was quite late confirmation i.e. in about 2 weeks since the vessels sailed to Turkey. |
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Angelgreat
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« Reply #28 on: July 27, 2020, 01:41:16 pm » |
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The vessels are still sailing to Aliaga, Turkey. Should arrive by at least two days.
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