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Owen Foley
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« on: January 25, 2018, 09:39:55 am »

I was contacted today by the managing director of a shipping line asking to use some of my photos he'd seen here and offering to give me credit.
When I offered him 20 pix for a very reasonable price, his response was that he feared I was a professional but since they already had photos of their ships they would not be paying for any more.

So he's actively approaching photographers to weezle some free photos for his business but avoids anyone that asks to be paid.

What a cheapskate!
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« Reply #1 on: January 25, 2018, 10:06:21 am »

I guess one of the issues here is also whether the photographer wants to make money with their photos or not. Cheapskate shipowner or not, I bet there are still amateur or hobbyist photographers who would just be happy if someone liked their photos and wanted to use them for something, perhaps even give credit to the photographer. My photographs from Shipspotting.com have appeared in a few news articles in the past few days and I'm just happy to see my name next to them. They could have picked any of the other freely-available pictures, but at least now they chose, in my opinion, the best... Wink

Of course, I fully understand why someone would not want to hand over their photographs for free.
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« Reply #2 on: January 25, 2018, 10:07:01 am »

Owen,
I can report about dozends of managing directors contaccting me every year.
Indeed, some of them are paying for my photos but most of them are not willing to pay.
And I check especially these companies every 3 month looking for one of my photos they have "borrowed" after cutting off my watermark.
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« Reply #3 on: January 25, 2018, 11:24:09 am »

I happily supply photography and services free to several organisations.
But a company with 17 container ships doesn't qualify as a charity.
That the managing director is actively scrounging like that is pretty poor.
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« Reply #4 on: January 25, 2018, 06:15:49 pm »

I am just a happy amateur,so I am a littlebit tickled that someone wants to publish my pictures. They can haven them freely when they explain what they want them for. Only once I said no,because it was a little too shady.
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« Reply #5 on: January 26, 2018, 12:24:02 am »

In 2015 I was contacted by a film producer asking me if my Shipspotting photo of the Angelina Lauro could be used in a short documentary picture. It was to be about the New Zealand artist Robert Rapson. The production company also wanted to be permitted to use it in associated promotional material. It wasn’t a big budget affair and I was happy to agree with the provision that I was credited with the photo. He was in full agreement and acted in good faith, sending me a preview of the documentary before its final version.

I was a little concerned because the wording of photo acknowledgements was rather vague. I emailed him pointing out the lack of clarity and he replied immediately saying he took the point and would sort it out. Not long after I was sent a final copy and later a link to it.  The documentary can be viewed at https://vimeo.com/153564944. I don’t think anyone could suggest I had been short changed when getting credit.

Apparently Rapson’s interest in ships dated back to a memorable voyage on the Angelina in his youth. I had a number of other good Angelina Lauro photos that didn’t meet Shipspotting’s posting criteria and I sent them to him via the producer.
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« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2018, 01:03:57 pm »

i can sign under on all of this.
But PLEASE dont sell your pictures cheap, as you then will destroy for those that do this for a living...




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« Reply #7 on: February 05, 2018, 03:14:50 am »

What is a reasonable price for a photo?
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« Reply #8 on: February 05, 2018, 03:33:16 am »

The most I have been ever received is USD 400.  A friend was offered USD 250 recently.  Paper work is required.  In all such cases I was approached after the pic was seen on this site

I make no charge for publications by volunteer enthusiast groups who distribute to their members.

In all cases I obtain published credit for my name, and a copy of the publication(s). 

I understand that such action by me and others competes with professionals like our wonderful Tomas.  But that is the way the world operates and my choice will not change that.
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« Reply #9 on: February 05, 2018, 05:24:10 am »

If it is for publications I often give for the mentioning in the book etc and a copy of the publication of which by now I have about 15 or so. If it is for a shipping company I charge as I see fit. don,t get rich with it though :-(
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NOW!!!,,,if we could get rid of the sailors,,how safe shipping would be !!!!!!!!
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« Reply #10 on: February 05, 2018, 05:59:44 am »

What is a reasonable price for a photo?
That's not easy to answer, it depends on who you sell to and the use/s the purchaser has in mind and whether they want limited rights to use the image or if they want to own sole rights (own the photo).
At the high end of the scale, that can be in the thousands of dollars (if you are very lucky.

I've just had an interesting chat with PR and legal people from a cruise line who have found my photos online and are concerned about protecting their copyright property (the logos and names of the ships).
They also like the photos and are talking about making an offer to buy them.
I'm not sure where this will go and what it means for me if I photograph their ships in future.
I'm waiting to hear what they come up with.
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« Reply #11 on: February 05, 2018, 07:17:17 am »

Quote "I've just had an interesting chat with PR and legal people from a cruise line who have found my photos online and are concerned about protecting their copyright property (the logos and names of the ships)".End Quote

If shipowners start behaving like that, and even may start to charge "portrait rights" for their ships, we will end up with taking pictures just four ourselves...
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« Reply #12 on: February 05, 2018, 09:12:20 am »

The communication regarding photos appears to have had two elements, one of which appears to have been a low key suggestion that the photographer ought not to be publishing photos of their ships because of their copyrights etc. The other element indicated some interest in purchasing them. It might suggest that together, the primary interest is in the purchasing of the photos and the copyright issue is a bit of arm twisting to reduce the price. I suspect that if the writer declined their offer as unsuitable they’d be stepping into a minefield by trying to obstruct his use of the photos. The media would seize upon the story with relish. It isn't true that there is no such thing as bad publicity.

I do not recall ever having seen a ship bearing  the operating company’s corporate copyright © or trademark ™ symbols against name or livery.  One would wonder how ship owners manage to duplicate the names of co existing ships without being thrown into endless litigation with one another over infringements.

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« Reply #13 on: February 06, 2018, 05:33:44 am »

They have comeback with their offer.
I'm very unimpressed as the price they are offering for sole rights is very low (under $100 each)
Their threat seems odd considering the only image I've sold of any of their ships was to them.

Here's what they ve come back with:
**** considers that you have infringed its copyright by reproducing, publishing and selling photographs containing images of **** ships which include images of their logos and ship names. As the owner in the copyright it each of their logos, it is the **** brands alone who are entitled to commercially exploit images embodying that artistic work. We understand that it was not your intention to infringe ****'s copyright and that you were unaware of the legal situation surrounding the taking and selling of images of our ships. We acknowledge that your photographs are artistic works in themselves and think they are great. We would like to use them in our marketing materials and therefore put  the following proposal to you:

- **** agrees not to take any action against you for infringing its copyright, including seeking licence fees that it may be entitled to collect on the value of sales made by you of images featuring **** ships
- You cease to publicise the "**** images" in any media
- You grant to **** an exclusive licence to use all images containing **** owned or operated ships, in any way it sees fit (and you sign a short contract reflecting this)
- **** pays you a fee of $xxx
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« Reply #14 on: February 06, 2018, 01:17:23 pm »

Well, it looks like I read their intentions correctly, although if I had been the recipient of the letter I'd have felt both threatened and blackmailed by its content, rather than seeing it as a simple offer to purchase. Here, we have a citizen's advice bureau where I could obtain a free assessment of the legality of such a level of coercion. I'm almost surprised that there wasn't a closing paragraph giving you 24 hours to make your mind up before they sent Jimmy The Leg Breaker round to assist you in your decision making.

I wonder how many prospective passengers would be deterred from joining them if they knew what threats potentially awaited them for publishing their holiday photos.
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