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Offline ventuari

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Re: CSCL Indian Ocean aground on Elbe
« Reply #30 on: February 06, 2016, 10:34:08 PM »
Hi Captain Ted.

Well, colleague, at first glance I agree with you. No need under any circunstance to steer to port but as you mentioned may be... "that the rudder is out and stuck on a port setting and no chance anymore to avoid the grounding". Besides that, no way.
Helmsman error or misunderstanding with the orders...
We need to wait and see...
MBregards.
ventuari.

PS. I was close to the same situation at the Houston Channel in 1984 ( at night). The helmsman misunderstood the Channel Pilot rudder orders ( order to port and helmsman went to starb. ), but I reacted immediately... and nothing happened...
 
@ hole drille and BobS
Sorry,,can,t and don,t see what you see

If you look careful, at seq 12th min, at the end. the Empire is already with a heading
to her starboard and would pass port-port. The Indian Ocean however is starting during that time period
already to turn to her port side. With that she actually in such situation turns to the WRONG side , special because the fairway is straight no need to turn at that time because of the Fairway, if at all she wanted or they thought they have a situation to avoid the Empire she should have turned to the starboard. However she starts turning to her port at a time where the Empire shows her already her port side.
For me it is clear that
a) she really gives port rudder and therefore she is at fault by not following the rules
b) that the rudder is out and stuck on a port setting and no chance anymore to avoid the grounding

one could argue that the Empire should have stayed on the green side and let pass the Indian Ocean green/green, but she passed clear to the red side and the Indian Ocean starts turning to her port side when the Empire was already on a clear pass red/red course
   

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Re: CSCL Indian Ocean aground on Elbe
« Reply #31 on: February 07, 2016, 12:49:01 AM »
@ Ventuari

I had such situations also a few times, and until now lucky that nothing really came out of it.
One time it was damned close ,,though
The Houston Ship (shit) Channel is known for those close encounters. Hate to go that one up and down !!!

brgds
capt ted
NOW!!!,,,if we could get rid of the sailors,,how safe shipping would be !!!!!!!!

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Re: CSCL Indian Ocean aground on Elbe
« Reply #32 on: February 07, 2016, 07:40:23 AM »
I heard from a reliable source that this was caused by a steering gear failure.

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Re: CSCL Indian Ocean aground on Elbe
« Reply #33 on: February 07, 2016, 08:11:04 AM »
It is very simple, the ship had a rudder blackout and the pilots decided to to manouver the ship to the northern side of the fairway with mud on the ground instead to the southside with stones. So they avoided a blocking of the main fairway.
Empire has nothing to do with the casualty.
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Re: CSCL Indian Ocean aground on Elbe
« Reply #34 on: February 07, 2016, 08:28:09 AM »
It is very simple, the ship had a rudder blackout and the pilots decided to to manouver the ship to the northern side of the fairway with mud on the ground instead to the southside with stones.
Empire has nothing to do with the casualty.

When there is a steering gear failure all control is lost and the ship finds its own destiny. On a ship this size there is nothing you can do that can  change the outcome. The pilot and captain are powerless to do anything that will result in a positive outcome. You could drop anchors, but with so much momentum, they would have no effect in such a short space of time and that's if you could hold on to them. These ships displace 230000 of water when fully loaded. You could use the bow thrust, but at anything above 3 knots the effect is more or less useless, and would be very slow with any headway.
This incident is showing that these mega ships are too big. There are no floating cranes tall enough to discharge the boxes to lighten the ships draft.
It is very fortunate the Ship has not blocked the river to navigation otherwise the port of Hamburg would be in major trouble.

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Re: CSCL Indian Ocean aground on Elbe
« Reply #35 on: February 07, 2016, 09:22:44 AM »
Update: Dredgers continued their work. Now BARENT ZANEN and NJOERD in action.
Slight list of INDIAN OCEAN has been noted since yesterday.

Bad weather forecast for monday:
Deutsche Bucht:    
South to Southwest 8 to 9, later 7.
Ship is grounded in west-eastern direction.

Tidal forecast (nearest Pegel/Level Schulau):




BARENT ZANEN on shipspotting: http://www.shipspotting.com/gallery/photo.php?lid=2379107
CSCL INDIAN OCEAN on shipspotting: http://www.shipspotting.com/gallery/photo.php?lid=2404808

NJOERD:


More will follow.
Have a good "sun"day.
Regards Peter
« Last Edit: February 07, 2016, 10:25:21 AM by PHa »

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Re: CSCL Indian Ocean aground on Elbe
« Reply #36 on: February 07, 2016, 11:46:38 AM »
Hi Ben.

If that was the cause ( and not helsman error or misunderstanding rudder orders ), nothing to do with that monster. Watching at Jens shot, no starb. anchor. So a big problem...and as we comment earlier..... "that the rudder is out and stuck on a port setting and no chance anymore to avoid the grounding"

MBregards.
ventuari

I heard from a reliable source that this was caused by a steering gear failure.

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Re: CSCL Indian Ocean aground on Elbe
« Reply #37 on: February 07, 2016, 11:48:44 AM »
She lost her starboard anchor with chain!!!



Any detailed information available?

As per Jens Boldt: "She lost her anchor (and chain) while at anchorage west of Helgoland on February 2nd before she was entering the Elbe..."
 
Thanks to Jens Boldt. 

Original photo: http://shipspotting.com/gallery/photo.php?lid=2404808

Regards Peter
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Re: CSCL Indian Ocean aground on Elbe
« Reply #38 on: February 07, 2016, 05:30:25 PM »
CSCL INDIAN OCEAN lost her starboard anchor already on Helgoland-Tiefwasser-Reede before approaching the river Elbe. She came in with only the portside anchor and without tug assistance.

When the anchor goes into smoke:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAcfaMDcY68

More (in german language) here: http://www.kn-online.de/News/Aktuelle-Nachrichten-Schleswig-Holstein/Schleswig-Holstein/Ungluecksfrachter-verlor-Anker-bereits-vor-Helgoland

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Re: CSCL Indian Ocean aground on Elbe
« Reply #39 on: February 07, 2016, 09:03:08 PM »
Maritime News wrote as follows:

"The mystery around the grounded ultra large container ship CSCL Indian Ocean continue to grow. According to German media, the vessel lost starboard anchor with about a hundred meter anchor chain, while waiting for Elbe transit on an anchorage west of Helgoland. The accident was not reported to local maritime authorities and happened at unclear circumstances, but obviously during heaving up anchor maneuvering. According to the shipping experts, the missing of starboard anchor could hardly help to avoid grounding of such large vessel, but in all the cases is important fact for the investigation."

Link: http://www.newsmaritime.com/2016/cscl-indian-ocean-lost-anchor-grounding-elbe-river/

Regards Peter

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Re: CSCL Indian Ocean aground on Elbe
« Reply #40 on: February 07, 2016, 09:48:27 PM »
Fairmount Expedition is on the way with destination Hamburg.

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Re: CSCL Indian Ocean aground on Elbe
« Reply #41 on: February 07, 2016, 09:52:26 PM »
Use off anchor.  It is nowadays regarded as NOT TO DO in certain circumstances and this is one of them.

1) The anchor will not hold the ship or  slow it substantial down on that short distance.

2) It is even dangerous when the anchor itself gets dragged along and then sits suddenly between the   river floor and the ship and rips open the hull of the vessel, next thing is a oil spill and such.

3) Even if the anchor manages to stop the ship the very same will turn, grounding side ways in the fairway which leads to a blockage of the very same, which is the good case, but it could be that she also sits then with the bow and stern on the ground and breaks in the river in two pieces
Imagine that,, oil spill,, and the river blocked for days/weeks ?
 

So if it was not dropped or was not dropped because it was not there was possibly the good thing on this case.. The missing starboard anchor did not contribute at all to the incident. If not reported, not good for that matter, but otherwise rather unimportant to what has happened
NOW!!!,,,if we could get rid of the sailors,,how safe shipping would be !!!!!!!!

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Re: CSCL Indian Ocean aground on Elbe
« Reply #42 on: February 08, 2016, 09:57:14 AM »
German Bight
Gale warnings - Issued: 0413 UTC on Monday 8 February 2016

Southerly severe gale force 9 continuing, veering southwesterly imminent

Wind
    Southwest 7 to severe gale 9.
Sea state
    Rough or very rough.
Weather
    Squally showers.
Visibility
    Good, occasionally poor.

Source: BBC MetOffice, marine weather.
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Re: CSCL Indian Ocean aground on Elbe
« Reply #43 on: February 08, 2016, 05:24:44 PM »
UPDATE No. 5 - dated 8.2.2016 afternoon

Ready for next attempt to refloat and tow the CSCL INDIAN OCEAN - Preparations completed

6.506 tons heavy fuel oil, gas oil and ballast water lightered. 45.000 cubicmeters mud and sand removed.

Towing attempt with 12 tugs and a total of bollard pull of 1.085 tons shall start tonight on 2:00 hrs local time and may last several hours. River Elbe is closed for traffic between 2:00 to 6:00 hrs local time. High tide is expected with plus 122 cm at L
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Re: CSCL Indian Ocean aground on Elbe
« Reply #44 on: February 08, 2016, 07:55:33 PM »
why is the Nordic not involved?
perhaps someone can explain
thanks
Xylad
I'm far away from the sea to Hamburg I have a longer distance as to Venice or Genova. My favorite is the Suez Canal, Panama Canal and since 2006 also Chinese harbours.

 

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