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« Reply #60 on: September 09, 2012, 07:08:43 pm »

Public AIS is a nice thing. However, it's pretty annoying when people post new threads every time a ship deviates from its normal route, not to mention bigger conspiracy theories.
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« Reply #61 on: September 09, 2012, 07:29:05 pm »

Hello together

Capt.Ted 100% agree with you.

Best regards

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« Reply #62 on: September 10, 2012, 01:46:03 am »

Hi,

@Capt.Ted : 1+
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« Reply #63 on: September 10, 2012, 07:56:10 am »

Good Morning!

MSC "FLAMINIA" at new Jade-Weser-Port (JWP) Wilhelmshaven (Germany):

http://www.havariekommando.de/presse/bildergalerie/2012_08_20/DSC_0009.JPG

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« Reply #64 on: September 10, 2012, 08:22:24 am »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bw3s_gHbKv0

Thanks to our German fellow shipspotters.

And lets hope people don't start speculate from what they see on the footage.
Maybe we should stop uploading video too, because we don't want all these stupid noobs on this forum speculating or having an opinion based on nothing.

Whahahaha


Cheers Fred
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« Reply #65 on: September 10, 2012, 11:55:21 am »

Captain Ted:
I view AIS as a source of information the same as this site provides me with information. I would like to believe that the more information that I have the more able I am to make an informed opinion. You point to the incident with the Concordia as a example of what is wrong with the information that was received in real time. So I would like to pose this question to you:

What possible reason can a Master put forward for running his vessel aground at cruising speed unless she was being beached at a breakers yard?
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« Reply #66 on: September 10, 2012, 12:09:40 pm »

Good point Fred!
Wow! That was an intense fire! Looks like part of the deck is gone too!
No wonder they were concerned with stability. Wonder if she will be rebuilt? Grin
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« Reply #67 on: September 10, 2012, 12:50:36 pm »

There is now another container vessel on fire, Flinter Aland.
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« Reply #68 on: September 10, 2012, 01:43:43 pm »

It is not the "Flinter Aland". It is the MV"Amsterdam Bridge" on fire,i think she is on Mumbai road now in India.
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« Reply #69 on: September 10, 2012, 01:53:20 pm »

Kasco - there's a Dutch saying which freely translated says "The best sailors can be found ashore". FYI the "Flinter Aland" is moored in Terneuzen pending investigations on an accident which happened over the weekend. Do you ever consider how valuable your "informed opinion"  would be to the rest of the world ?

 Roll Eyes

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« Reply #70 on: September 11, 2012, 11:25:00 am »

Flaminia arrives in Jade Weser Port

THE BADLY fire-damaged container ship MSC Flaminia and its accompanying tugs arrived safely in the German port of Wilhelmshaven’s Jade Weser Port yesterday evening after an incident-free week-long transit through the English Channel.

The vessel, accompanied by three tugs, was given authorisation to proceed to the port after undergoing a final inspection at a designated anchorage off the Heligoland islands, where it arrived on Saturday.

Vessel manager Reederei NSB said that the vessel left the anchorage at 0830 hours yesterday after inspectors had confirmed that it was safe to continue its journey to Jade Weser Port, where it arrived at 1730 hours.

NSB said that it would start as soon as possible to search for the crew member who went missing after fire broke out aboard the vessel, followed by an explosion, while it was crossing the Atlantic on 14 July. It said that it would also be carrying out an investigation into the cause of the fire, which is still unknown.

“These investigations will approximately last for one week,” the company said. “Afterwards, the unloading of the vessel can be started.”

The MSC Flaminia – which was carrying 2,876 containers, including 151 containing hazardous substances, when the fire broke out – began its transit of the English Channel on 2 September after the German authorities put an end to more than two weeks of uncertainty by agreeing to provide it with a place of refuge.

Source:IHS
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« Reply #71 on: September 11, 2012, 11:59:05 am »

Kasco - there's a Dutch saying which freely translated says "The best sailors can be found ashore". FYI the "Flinter Aland" is moored in Terneuzen pending investigations on an accident which happened over the weekend. Do you ever consider how valuable your "informed opinion"  would be to the rest of the world ?

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I apologize for identifying the vessel Flinter Aland and not the vessel Amsterdam Pride as the one that was on fire.
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« Reply #72 on: September 17, 2012, 05:27:32 pm »

Captain Ted:
I view AIS as a source of information the same as this site provides me with information. I would like to believe that the more information that I have the more able I am to make an informed opinion. You point to the incident with the Concordia as a example of what is wrong with the information that was received in real time. So I would like to pose this question to you:

What possible reason can a Master put forward for running his vessel aground at cruising speed unless she was being beached at a breakers yard?

To prevent more deaths if the ship had sunk/capsized in deep water
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« Reply #73 on: September 18, 2012, 03:04:31 pm »

Good evening,
here are updated news regarding "MSC FLAMINIA" at berth Jade-Weser-Port of Wilhelmshaven (Germany): After finishing investigations of public prosecutor and police re. dead and missing crewmembers, now the concept of discharge of the (partily damaged and destroyed) cargo is ready to start and published by the CENTRAL COMMAND FOR MARITIME EMERGENCIES GERMANY as follows:

"At first the superstructure of the MSC FLAMINIA will be cleaned, following a decision of
all the experts from the Central Command for Maritime Emergencies (CCME) (German:
Havariekommando), from the authorities on site and from the shipping company. Presumably
the cleaning work can start this week. It is expected to take about five days. All
cabins and areas of work in the superstructure will be cleaned thoroughly. If the area
passes the following survey of safe working conditions, it will be approved for day-today
operations.
The concept of discharge, drawn by Germanischer Lloyd, is completed. In order to ensure
the stability of the ship, containers and the water for fire-fighting are discharged in
equal measure. The containers on which an elevated temperature has been detected
have priority. After this the containers with dangerous goods are following.
Because of the surveys on board by the experts from CCME and the thorough comparison
of the loading list, the stowage plan and the list of dangerous goods the number
increased by two to 153 containers. The two additional containers contain vehicle parts
and cosmetic products.
First surveys have shown that the water for fire-fighting is less toxic than supposed. To
prove them, the results are currently assessed by some other experts.
Meanwhile also the first part of the concept of discharge for the damaged cargo is on
hand. In the first instance the appropriate containers are planned to be taken off board
in kind of a tub."

regards Peter
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« Reply #74 on: September 18, 2012, 06:04:29 pm »

"MSC FLAMINIA"’s hazardous cargo floats towards Irish coast:

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/ships-hazardous-cargo-floats-towards-irish-coast-207739.html

Thanks to Tim for this info.

regards Peter
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