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1  Shipspotters all over the world / Trip reports / Re: Sunda Strait on: April 22, 2017, 06:36:29 am
Good, let them come, Husni... Smiley
2  Shipspotters all over the world / Site related news, functions and modules / Re: TANKERS - Help the Admins, please on: April 19, 2017, 09:59:43 am
Paul (?). If you are having trouble identfying an older tanker, just sent me a message and I'll do it for you. And for that matter the older tankers are causing far less problems than the newer ones where the mix of product and crude tankers is much more diffuse.
When other people come up with extra info, it will still be the adimin who will have to physically add the info to the photo. 
3  Shipspotters all over the world / Shipping News and information / Re: lack of maritime authority control? on: April 19, 2017, 09:28:25 am
Perhaps a Port Authority could issue a permit for such ship to leave the port only when under tow. On the other hand, that would probably prevent the shipowner from doing anything and the burden of the removal of the ship will fall on the Port Authority.

Edit: I may have erroneously assumed that the ship was heading for a Turkish scrapyard.
4  Shipspotters all over the world / Site related news, functions and modules / Re: TANKERS - Help the Admins, please on: April 18, 2017, 03:09:55 pm
Hi Dave, yes things are never as  straightforward as one would hope, however the Class says :

"
Main purpose:
Crude oil carriage
Additional purpose(s):
Oil products carriage at high temperature
Oil product carriage, low flashpoint (< 60 C)
Oil product carriage, high flashpoint (>= 60 C)"

Based on the additional purpose, one has to conclude that she can also carry light oil products, which I suppose means that she is coated, and therefore qualifies as a product tanker. From the pictures I have of her (As AGATE V) she looks like an bunkering tankers and just like so many modern bunker tankers these days, they carry HFO, which is even heavier than crude oil, but they are still considered product tankers. In Lloyds Register this particular ship is said to be a products tanker too.

As I said in the opening post here, many product tankers do carry crude oil form time to time, but non-coated crude oil tankers will never carry (light) products. (And also there are sometimes exceptions, because recently several newbuild crude tankers coming from Korean yards have been known to make their maiden trip carrying a full cargo of light diesel fuel to Western European ports)  

But David, this will always be discussions about what is what, and as long as we do not simply have an age-bracker system for tankers, just like for bulkcarriers, we have to follow what we have, and as it says on the main page, Shipspotting is the source of the best information, so let's all try to make that happen....  
5  Shipspotters all over the world / Shipping News and information / Re: Berge Stahl back into service until 2021 on: April 18, 2017, 03:00:03 pm
Interesting to know that people were already worried that she would not pass her second survey, as they found haircracks in the hull...
6  Shipspotters all over the world / Site related news, functions and modules / Re: TANKERS - Help the Admins, please on: April 16, 2017, 07:54:59 pm
The purpose of my plea was to make people post in such a away that photographs (there are well over 2.2 million of them now)are easier to find and can therefore be more satisfactorily enjoyed.   
7  Shipspotters all over the world / Site related news, functions and modules / Re: TANKERS - Help the Admins, please on: April 15, 2017, 08:48:31 pm
While I appreciate what you say Pieter, if posters have to do too much research before they can post their photographs, many will not bother. Personally I feel that there are too many categories, and that they could be simplified without detriment to the site. However it may be too later to change anything now.


Most of the research has already been done and is reflected in the summary pages. Actually I cannot fully understand why people would not bother to post if they should do something by themselves. With due respect I would argue that most people like to know what they saw and tell us about it in a correct way, rather than just snapshooting about and empty the SD-cards on this site.
8  Shipspotters all over the world / Site related news, functions and modules / TANKERS - Help the Admins, please on: April 15, 2017, 07:21:09 am
Dear Poster

During the last couple of years we have put considerable effort into reorganising the tanker sector. It had been somewhat neglected, but we feel now that it is back on track again. The most delicate task was to differentiate between crude oil tankers on the one hand and chemical and product tankers on the other, which, especially for the larger ships, is not immediately obvious from the outside.

Equasis is notorious in classifying many products tankers (i.e. there cargo compartments are coated to be able to carry lighter products such as gasoline and naphtha) as crude oil tankers, taking over the definition from Lloyds/Fairplay which calls them crude oil/products tankers. Equasis subsequently cuts of the second part of the definition and uses the crude oil part only.

This results that in many times photos are allocated to the crude oil category, which in reality should be under product tankers. It is a time consuming effort to check each shot all the time.

There is one way for everybody to help us preventing this. Underneath each picture there is a link to the summary page of the ship. After opening that page you can see to which category earlier posted pictures have been allocated. If you follow the "majority category" you will most likely choose the correct one. In case you seriously question "our" choice, do not hesitate to contact us, we do not claim to have perfect knowledge.

For new ships the summary page may not yet work satisfactorily, but you can always try to find new ships on the website of the owners or even the builders. This may sometimes give a proper indication whether the ship is a (clean)product tanker or not. Type indications for product tankers are generally MR/LR1/LR2 and now even LR3 ships (Suezmax Size)are becoming increasingly popular. If the owner calls a ship Aframax, or "dirty" one may assume that she is not coated, or that her coatings are no longer properly applied.

And yes, even clean product tankers can be used to carry crude oil, but no crude oil carrier can be used to carry lighter products, hence the differentiation. Many clean product tankers do also carry vegetable oils, but that should not result in them being classified as vegetable oil tankers.  

Many thanks in advance to everybody and keep the tankers coming.

Pieter Melissen

Corrector Tanker Category.    
9  Shipspotters all over the world / Site related news, functions and modules / Re: Note for tug moderators on: April 14, 2017, 06:44:45 am
The above once more emphasizes the need to have the (IMO)numbers correct, as numbers have the nice habit that they only be written in one way. As far as Equasis is concerned, for the tanker sector I tend to stay away from them, in case of doubt I mostly check the owners webpages to see what tankertype we are dealing with. In case of doubt, there is always Phil..... Wink 
10  Shipspotters all over the world / Help and Advice / Re: Full Screen on: April 13, 2017, 10:00:21 am
not with me....
11  Shipspotters all over the world / Shipping News and information / Re: MADRID MAERSK now world's largest container ship on: April 12, 2017, 01:56:38 pm
as the article mentions:  "cagey"

What is best guess for the DWT capacity of this one?
12  Shipspotters all over the world / Scale Models / Re: Ship info on: April 10, 2017, 06:32:05 am
Because the number of TEU is a commercial unit, (unlike GT which serves as basis for calculating all sorts of dues), the figure may vary considerably. It also has to do with the number of loaded TEU that a ship is able to carry before being full and down. Most of the time maximum number of TEU quoted relates to just the space that the containers take up and does not take into account the actual weight of the cargo. 
13  Shipspotters all over the world / Help and Advice / Re: IMO number confusion on: April 03, 2017, 07:57:55 am
I think that the aft section, that has survived, never had an IMO number. It was frist attached to an IWT tanker, and only the conversion, which involved shortening of the ship made her seaworthy, and perhaps than an IMO number was attached. The orginal ship was builtby Breko in Holland in 1973. 
14  Shipspotters all over the world / Site related news, functions and modules / Re: Shipspotting "not a secure site"? on: March 21, 2017, 09:54:23 am
I think it is a Firefox thing, happens with me here and also on Miramar. Just log in again and it works. The only thing annoying is that my computer does not remember my previous visit, so I always have to log on.
15  Shipspotters all over the world / Site related news, functions and modules / Re: New Category: First photo / obstructed view??? on: March 21, 2017, 07:40:28 am
When such a photo as described appears, it should always be under the category : "Ships under construction" (where parts of the ship are always blocked from sight)
That would do away with all the problems, and when the ship is completed and sailing there is no need to remove the construction shot at all.
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