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1  Shipspotters all over the world / Shipping News and information / Re: Jörn Prestin - Requiescat in pace on: February 26, 2015, 11:35:16 pm
..... and then one dies,, RIP Joern
2  Shipspotters all over the world / Shipping News and information / Re: Hamburg Süd seals CCNI deal on: February 26, 2015, 03:02:48 pm

thanks for the list of SUED acquired lines. They are very well positioned and more than
well positioned in case they can,t avoid a take over.
capt ted

3  Shipspotters all over the world / Shipping News and information / Re: Hamburg Süd seals CCNI deal on: February 23, 2015, 04:17:55 am
Nothing wrong with it Tuomas,,
They bought CP and went bankrupt over it, Sued took over also others for example Alianca and did not fall over it. Beside that, CNNI is considered rather healthy and CSAV survived only with massive help of the chileanian government (sounds familiar?) is not really considered a healthy line either, CSAV that is. Lets see what comes from that merger. I fear on the end the german taxpayer is in the shooting line again after the managers collected their mega bonuses. 

btw ,, You are aware that HAPAG just recently announced that they downsizing in Germany !!!  Sounds familiar ?
4  Shipspotters all over the world / Shipping News and information / Re: Hamburg Süd seals CCNI deal on: February 21, 2015, 10:13:05 pm
Looks like they make them more and more expensive or a heavy weight for the situation when HAPAG thinks again that they can take SUED over. The last try failed because the SUED does not want to be taken over or merged,,for good reason as far as I see it.
SUED never needed governmental help and HAPAG was at least 2 times bankrupt or unable to get credits to survive and survived only because the german government guanranteed the credits HAPAG got.
5  Shipspotters all over the world / Shipping News and information / MLC (Maritime Labour Convention) human rights convention ‘myth’ debunked on: February 16, 2015, 01:36:37 pm
For all sailors this is a interesting article and more or less confirms what most sailors
realized from the beginning that MLC is a lot talk and smoke and nothing achieved.
95% of that what MLC covers is already since decades done so. Of course there are also
substandard ships/countries/regulations/governmental agencies and so on, but basically
MLC was a travelling circus to the benefits of the attendants and not the sailors.


MLC human rights convention ‘myth’ debunked

Maritime welfare advocacy organisation Human Rights at Sea (HRAS) has said that seafarers do not have human rights protections under the Maritime Labour Convention 2006 (MLC).

A gap analysis made by the UK-based Human Rights at Sea organisation has found that just two human rights are explicitly mentioned in the convention and that references to human rights in the convention are otherwise implicit, not explicit.

HRAS founder David Hammond told IHS Maritime: "This analysis was undertaken on the basis that it was represented to me by a shipping entity in early 2014 that the MLC was also human rights convention and therefore covered all human rights.

"HRAS does not agree with this position and remains concerned that this is an emerging common myth in some shipping circles."

The convention's two human rights, as listed in the Declaration of Human Rights, 1948, are: the freedom of association and the effective recognition of the right to collective bargaining; and the elimination of all forms of forced or compulsory labour.

The analysis of MLC, said Hammond, was set against the Universal Declaration of Human Rights 1948, and the European, American and African human rights conventions. He said that the MLC does not explicitly cover 22 identified human rights.

Fundamental human rights it does not contain include "one of the most fundamental human rights" - the right to life, liberty or security, which is found in Article 3 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, and Articles 2 and 5 of the European Convention on Human Rights. Others that are missing include the right to recognition as a person before the law; the right to be assumed innocent until proven guilty; the right of appeal in criminal matters; and the right to respect for private and family life.

"You have to imply human rights through the preamble" of the MLC, he told a legal and maritime audience in London this week. He was referring to the MLC clause that reads: "Mindful also that seafarers are covered by the provisions of other ILO instruments and have other rights which are established as fundamental rights and freedoms applicable to all persons".

The phrase "human rights" does not appear in the MLC, and this, said Hammond, is understandable because the MLC is a labour convention.

"The intent behind the draft of the MLC was not human rights. It is a labour convention," he said.

Thus, the MLC's preamble explicitly states that it aims to 'embody' the standards of existing "maritime labour conventions and recommendations, as well as the fundamental principles to be found in other international labour conventions". It then lists eight international labour conventions, such as the Equal Remuneration Convention, 1951, and the Worst Forms of Child Labour Convention, 1999.

The rights listed in the MLC's Article 3, entitled: "Fundamental Rights and Principles", lists the two above-mentioned human rights, plus: the effective abolition of child labour; and the elimination of discrimination in respect of employment and occupation.

Hammond said that the aim of his organisation was to make human rights for seagoing professionals explicit. He said that in maritime regulations, including UNCLOS, human rights have to be implied.

"In this day and age," he told the London meeting, "application through implication is unacceptable. That is why I say we want to be explicit in talking about human rights and the human element and the seafarer," and he added that it should not be forgotten that "without the seafarers and the fishermen most of us here wouldn't be in a job."

Hammond expects human rights litigation landscape to heat up. He noted that currently there are 105 law suits pertaining to Corporate Social Responsibility (CSR), including the 2012 suit against Shell by the Nigerian Bodo community seeking compensation for two oil spills.

He also predicts that maritime will be one of the sectors feeling that heat.

"I believe that there will be an emerging litigation in the maritime industry for issues of CSR, as are already going on in other areas," he said.

Hammond said that more and more companies are being proactive in their corporate social responsibilities, and he predicted "increasing national companies legislation and increasing efforts within sectors" to shore up their CSR footprint - looking at "how the human element and human rights can be applied".
6  Shipspotters all over the world / Shipping News and information / Re: Costa Concordia: Schettino sentenced to 16 years in prison on: February 12, 2015, 07:37:58 pm
hi Ian

thanks reply,, Yep,,that the other big story and never publicly known or acknowledged
The worst what today exist is the MEDIA,,they report that what is more sensational and not what they supposed to report the reality,,that does of course not sell !!!
I whish sometimes we could switch off the media for 6 month,,it would be peace on earth !!!!!!
7  Shipspotters all over the world / Shipping News and information / Re: Costa Concordia: Schettino sentenced to 16 years in prison on: February 12, 2015, 06:47:40 pm
@ Ian
I would have no problem with that either,,but I have a problem that the officer who grounded the vessel and the company which promoted such behavior as close pass by,s walking
away from it like nothing happened.
That he is a "ass" and got what he needed, I think I stated that big enough above.

P.S. always good to read the whole thread and not just one sentence
8  Shipspotters all over the world / Shipping News and information / Re: Costa Concordia: Schettino sentenced to 16 years in prison on: February 12, 2015, 06:20:55 pm

yeah in the end it,s all about the money !!!
here in US often after big money awards,,it,s about getting right,,not about the 15 millionen settlement for a guy who smoked 30 years and did not know that smoking is not good !!! :-(((

9  Shipspotters all over the world / Shipping News and information / Re: Costa Concordia: Schettino sentenced to 16 years in prison on: February 12, 2015, 01:39:49 pm
re: schettino

I am aware that a lot people read this as defense of Schettino, but read it all and don,t nit-pick the pieces you like or not like.
I don,t want to defend Schettino with one word, that guy should have gotten back on
and nothing really would have happened to him ALONE law wise!!!

Does anyone know what happened to the officer on the bridge who actually ran the ship aground, after all he has also a Nautical Officer license which makes him a OOW (Officer of the Watch)which means he is certified to stand watch alone and any decision made on the bridge during his duty is HIS responsibility !!!! And his lookout and other bridge team members as it is nowadays called. What about Costa Lines which allowed knowingly such things as close pass by for the enjoyment of the passengers.
Peoples which took cruises coming home and you hear,, Our Captain did ....... what a fantastic Capt !!!! and so on,,it is a culture of laisse faire and pleasing passengers in order that they loved it and take another cruise. It seems as long nothing goes wrong everybody silently approves of it.

btw, there is no such law that the Captain has to leave the vessel last. Of course there is the duty of a Captain to do everything possible to get anyone off the ship as safe as possible up to the point that his own life becomes also endangered and that he by that can not do anything anymore for others. That he clearly did not fulfill.
10  Shipspotters all over the world / Shipping News and information / Re: Costa Concordia: Schettino sentenced to 16 years in prison on: February 11, 2015, 08:24:26 pm
The difference between going back aboard or going to jail. All what he had to do when he """as per him""" fall off the ship to go back on !!!!
11  Shipspotters all over the world / Shipping News and information / Re: Vessel "KANSINE" or XANSINE on: February 10, 2015, 05:02:05 pm
hi phil

thanks,, could be,, the hull seems like it.

capt ted
12  Shipspotters all over the world / Shipping News and information / Vessel "KANSINE" or XANSINE on: February 09, 2015, 04:51:08 pm
Anyone has infos about this vessels

this was taken 2nd half of 2005, outbound elbe river, but seemingly still under construction

thx, brgds
capt ted
13  Shipspotters all over the world / Help and Advice / Re: ship postion..confused. on: February 07, 2015, 04:24:13 pm
same dates listed too ?
14  Shipspotters all over the world / Shipping News and information / Re: World's largest shipyard - Ulsan,South Korea on: February 06, 2015, 03:43:20 pm
@ Davidships

ditto the german builders later!!! Also when they were switching to more sophisticated vessels but big yards like bremer vulkan and HDW only survived that long via navy contracts etc.
15  Shipspotters all over the world / Site related news, functions and modules / Re: Flagged vessels & flag states. on: January 22, 2015, 01:20:10 pm
It principe it comes down that the maritime laws and any other laws of the flag state (flag she is flying) is in force on the vessel and applies to all crewmembers irrespective of their nationalities. Once a ship enters territorial waters of another country she/the crew has to adhere to the laws of that country too. Unfortunately there is a gray area. For example customs of the country where the vessel calls can search your ship without a search warrant incl the private quarters of the crew. It goes so far that for example Canada also comes with teams a/b and searches private computers for child porn, all as I said without search warrants or the suspicion of a crime (smuggling, other contraband and/or child porn) 
In other words ,even in so-called democratic countries like Canada/US/EU the civil rights of sailors do not count.
One of the reasons why a lot sailors laughing their ass off on the new MLC2006,, a self serving regulation for the peoples who invented it but totally useless for sailors in general. Important parts like the above were not discussed or incorporated.
MLC2006, touted the bill of rights for sailors addresses the problems of the sailors 40-50 or more years ago and does nothing for todays sailors or the future sailors
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