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Shipspotters all over the world => Site related news, functions and modules => Topic started by: kensmith on February 04, 2012, 01:00:22 PM
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Changes have been made to the rules and guidelines on Copyright and can be seen at the following FAQs and have been approved by the website owner.
http://www.shipspotting.com/support/faq.php?category=Site%20standards%20for%20all%20photos 1- Item 10
http://www.shipspotting.com/support/faq.php?category=Uploading%20photos%20guidance#78 Item 7
This has been an ongoing problem and it is felt necessary to add some additional information to the guidelines and to also advise members on how to deal with the question of Copyright.
If you purchase a photograph at a flee market or they are given to you it does not automatically give you the copyright ownership especially if there is a stamp giving a name of owner on it, even if nothing is on the card it has been taken by someone else, if you upload this type of material to the website without any authorisation you could be in breach of copyright law.
Copyright laws vary from country to country and ligation can be very expensive so please be careful when uploading this kind of material, if you have permission to use them then please always give that information with the upload, many members already do this and we are grateful for having those details.
This is a guide to the UK copyright laws
http://www.copyrightservice.co.uk/copyright/p01_uk_copyright_law
If a photograph is uploaded and considered to be Copyright Infringement the member will be contacted for confirmation.
Kind regards
Ken
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Mr. Smith
Maybe you can tell me if I missed something or is there a problem I do not know about with the Website.
The News Stories on the page haven't changed for almost a week.
Is there some problem?
Stan
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I do not understand it any more.
Now it is said that photo
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A photograph is not a "typographical arrangement", but an artistic work which is protected for 70 years after the death of the author, or 70 years after publication if the author is unknown. Still, it should be enough for pre-WW2 photos. Perhaps there was another reason?
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I really do agree with Pieter.
The only thing I always understood when uploading photos here is that I must not breach German copyright laws (as I am German). But for the rest? I have no idea... These are interesting questions Pieter raised about the position of the main server and where the website is legally situated.
And I also think that recently the site turned quite nostalgic (again I must say). I always like to look at a good photo of a ship from way back when, but like Pieter I really don't see the necessity of uploading photos here which are already available on the internet for everybody's use.
Best regards
Jens
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There are, I believe, international conventions under which certain aspects of copyright law in one country will be upheld in another. As I remember it from my days as a journalist, there are some exceptions, ifs and buts but, in general, if you blatantly copy something from another country, you can be pursued and sued for breach of copyright no matter where you are.
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Pieter Inpyn wrote
This site has started as a showcase for shipping photo
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Thanks for your positive comments Chris, if I had to look at box boats or flush deck tankers all day long I dont think I would be here but thanks to the the people behind the scenes and the wonderful diverse membership we are presented with an awesome collection of pics and posts from all era's and times.
Every one should be congratulated for making the forum what it is, a fantastic place to be a part of. I have only one thing to say in regards to older posts being labelled ancient. I must be ancient too, I sailed on a working vessel (not a museum piece) that was built in 1895, another one that was built in 1919 and still another from 1921. I worked on these so they were a reality for me. Most people are interested in maritime history and I am one of them. We got to where we are today through the evolution of these old vessels.
To bring the point home more, I sailed on 5 vessels, old steamers that were built before the second world war and at the beginning. Three of them came under attack during the dark days of ww2 so I gather from that according to one particular persons comments that I am ancient too, hahaha, thats just too unbelievable to merit comment lol.
I love all the ship posts, I lean more towards the older vessels because I was a career seaman and I sailed on a lot of ships of that vintage. I love seeing what Chris Howell posts, along with Malcolm Cranfield, Doctor Onions and a few others whose names dont readily come to mind so, keep posting them guys, they are fantastic photo's of a time a long time ago. The majority of the comments are in the affirmative for the old ships so that speaks for itself, no more comments needed. Top stuff.
Cheers and GB
Gordy
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An answer to mr Chris Howell: I thank you for your ancient photo
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There is a group on Facebook calling itself 'Lovers of Ocean Liners'. Have a look around that site and you will see hundreds of images 'borrowed' from Shipspotting.com, including some of my own. In all cases no credit is given to the photographer, or this site.
One of the chief contributors of 'borrowed' photos is an administrator there called Kipfer Fox. He and others on that site seem to feel that this practice is quite acceptable. I don't think so.
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I took a look at this Facebook club and find there are quite a lot of pictures taken from Shipspotting without credits whatsoever. Also, prints from books are included etc.
Unacceptable !
Rgds,
Rob.
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And what can be done? Ziltch ..as has been stated many times before if you upload your pictures and they are good (no rubbish on Shipspotting???) then expect them to be ripped off as there are no sanctions. Either get over it, or keep your pictures at home.
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As I make a living out of photography there are many things that you can do.
First of all I suggest a polite email / message to the person / group concerned requesting that you are credited or that the photograph is removed from their site. Remembering to keep a copy for yourself if it is needed later.
If the first message to them has no effect then I suggest sending another one off to them, including a message that legal advice will be sort if your images stay on their site.
Finally take legal advice and go through the courts. I have taken 2 people to court for copyright infringment and have recieved good payouts.
It isn't just a simple courtesy to credit the photographer, this is in fact international law and could result in legal action being taken against you.
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Thanks Mr Dot and Robert, I dont mind who takes my pics, but I know some people like to at least to be recognized for their efforts, its not a nice thing to do. I know my late fathers pics are posted all over the net without permission, I dont think he'd be happy about it if he was still around.
Cheers and GB
Gordy
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If anyone wants to observe a very silly situation, take a look at the FaceBook group "Lovers of the Ocean Liners".
Their leader "Kipfer Fox" made a habit of rapid-fire posting of many many photos, with absolutely no regard for acknowledging the source. I'm not whining about copyright, I am laughing about Mr. Fox's inability to do basic research and his inability to post photos in a classy and intelligent manner.
Anyways, so this poster-of-many-photos Mr. Fox has apparently been banned by Facebook, for copyright issues. I think that's hilarious.
And what's even more funny is the loud rhetoric on that Facebook page about member betrayal and about that site being "the best site on Facebook". hahaha, the arrogance is quite silly.
But seriously, it shows how shoddy posting (ie. with no efforts to research a photo's photographer and source) makes a website and people look amateur and immature.
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Have a look at this pathetic message posted by Gene Speroni on Facebook.
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I dont ask a lot of our members, but I am going to ask, and tell you this now: PLEASE!! If you post a picture, you must include where you got the picture from. You must give credit to that person! If a picture is posted, without a reference to it, it " WILL" be removed by one of our administrators who have been informed to do so. They have also been informed to block anyone who does not conform to this ruling!!! You will be asked nicely! But if it continues, you will be blocked! I think this is fair. With that being said, I would like to move ahead FULL STEAM, and continue to being the Greatest Site Of Ocean Liners on FB, And also to again start talking up about our Great Trip to Queen Mary!! Now more than ever, it's something we need to do, especially for Kipfer, and I am continuing to ask for a $ 25.00 donation for him to be able to join us. Please go to the above EVENTS tab for more information, or message me if you have any questions. One last thing. I consider you all friends! Friends who have an interest in these Beautiful Ocean Liners of days gone by. We come here each day to share our thoughts, and photo's. Some of you, Like Kipfer, have never seen the Ocean, much less an Ocean Liner. But it is because of YOU! That these wonderful ships are seen by all of us each night. PLEASE!! CONTINUE TO POST, CONTINUE TO INVITE YOUR FRIENDS, AND SPEAKING FOR THE OTHER ADMINISTRATORS---THE BEST IS YET TO COME!! STARTING WITH OUR TRIP TO THE QUEEN NEXT APRIL!! Thank You All-----Gene!"
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I respectfully ask this of shipspotting.com members:
If you appreciate the ship-photographers of yesterday and of earlier eras and you appreciate the historical value that these ship-photographers have given us, then please do not join the FaceBook group "Lovers of the Ocean Liners".
That FaceBook group and people such as Kipfer Fox have no respect for the work that they are ripping off. And they have shown no respect for the photographers that they have ripped off.
Please don't be one of them....
Thanks.
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I wonder if someone with sufficient seniority in Shipspotting can appraoch Facebook and have this group eliminated altogether. Trouble is if a member wishes to approach them through Facebook, one'd have to sign up ....and that's the last thing I'd do !
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The problem with the Lovers of the Ocean Liners facebook group is that admin Carl Ireton (not necessarily his real name) is posting stolen images and implying they are his by crediting them to 'My Personal Collection'. Having been notified that some of my images were on there I joined the group. He removed some images that I found after I pointed them out but then he kicked me out of the group so I cannot look for any more.
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This might be useful, as you can report the breach without a account (as far as I'm aware). Unfortunatly I can't report the images myself as I'm A - not a member of the group (Although if requested, I have no problem with joining the group and trawling through every photo to provide a link) and B - I'm a "minor" in the eyes of facebook (17y/o).
Hope that helps,
Dan
https://www.facebook.com/help/contact/?id=473738729306832
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Hi Ian,
Did he give you a reason for kicking you out of the group? If he ever admitted to using your photos without your consent, you have him my the do dahs!!
Copyright is theft and I know from experience that the courts are on our (the photographers) side in these matters, clearly it is up to you if you choose to go down the legal route, usually just the threat of legal action is enough for those in the wrong to sort themselfs out.
Trev
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I received not rsponse at all - he just deleted the images from his page. Will leave it at that for now but will check there is nothing else on the site.
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Another one but big Newspaper. I didn't thought it might be published for the low relative quality. That is why I posted with the small watermark. But there is no stop from information fast-food. They only cropped the watermark no credits !
I called tonight on them to pay for the picture!
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/wtc_antenna_on_high_seas_9WlyGb33pjiyQSWcDasqbN
The situation is on the way to be resolved to my satisfaction with the Port Authority of Ny NJ
I believe we should all passionate photographers unite in a "coop" to to the job of bounty hunters for copyrights and first placard and sue commercial concerns using our photos with out permission.
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It is really hard to get rid of those invaders these days,unfortunatelly.So easy to steal but very hard to protect it.
Look what they say in the last sentence of article....."The Port Authority has created a tracking Web site to follow the barge
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There is a group on Facebook calling itself 'Lovers of Ocean Liners'. Have a look around that site and you will see hundreds of images 'borrowed' from Shipspotting.com, including some of my own. In all cases no credit is given to the photographer, or this site.
One of the chief contributors of 'borrowed' photos is an administrator there called Kipfer Fox. He and others on that site seem to feel that this practice is quite acceptable. I don't think so.
That ocean liner site (and a couple of others which are allied; the bloke responsible is a notorious offender) is a blooming nightmare for stealing photos. I found one of mine on one of them. I realise that posting photos onto the net is fraught with peril, but I don't mind people using my photos, as long as they ask me first and credit the photo.
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What to do for copyright infringements. This is french for Quebec Canada But it is down to the point. And practical. Done by a pro for people like us thorn between passion and commerce . Use the translator. There are no justifications for corporations to abuse our rights.
http://www.francisvachon.com/blog/category/copyright/
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Would it be possible to prevent users from clicking on a photo with the right button on their mouse and thus saving or copying a photo that way. I've no idea about the technical side of this so I don't know how effective this would be at stopping the more determinded poachers of photos.
I have seen this on the official Formula 1 website where if a user right clicks a message pops up stating that content is copyrighted and there is to be no reproduction without the owners consent.
Regarding the Facebook page, I found a link via Google and another site and it would appear that Lovers of Ocean Liners page cannot be found.
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Hi andrewm,
possible, yes, but it doesn't make sense because you can easily get around a disabled right-click...
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I guess if right-click was disabled it would still be possibleto do a screenshot and then cropping the image.
There is a picture of a Safmarine vessel entering Aberdeen Harbour on Rulewave's homepage that looks very similar to a photo of Safmarine Akwaba that I have uploaded here. It's quite small so it's difficult to be certain. The photo on their homepage could have been copied, cropped and the contrast changed slightly (something I can do easily with the software that came with my camera) or it could just have been taken at the same time as mine from a very similar angle. It's very difficult to say with any certainty.
I'm not sure if I should feel honoured, outraged or indifferent! :D
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The 'Lovers of the Ocean Liners' page is still there. It's a closed group, closed presumably so no outsiders can see their stolen photos. ::)
Disabling right click does deter people a bit although, as you say, a determined thief will just get round it by taking a screen shot or viewing the source (I think there are keyboard short cuts to do that if eight click is disabled).