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Title: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: pepper_220 on November 09, 2010, 10:53:32 AM
some one say it will be larger than emma ,really? and it will make LNG as fuel ???
Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: Phil English on November 09, 2010, 11:07:46 AM
So which "new" containership class is this, please enlighten us more?

Maersk have not ordered any newbuild containerships since 2008, when they ordered a series of 4500 teu panamaxes and another of 7450 teu post-panamaxes.

I imagine this is just a spurious rumour based on something that Maersk might be considering for the future.
Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: Lysfoss on November 09, 2010, 12:37:00 PM
Hi

I beleive this is old news! This was brought up somtime ago on this website. From what i

remember was that the only ports that could cater for such vessels were in the far east

and the english channel was not deep enough for them to pass through. So would be pointless

I think in this current economic climate it won't happen 
Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: Phil English on November 09, 2010, 12:59:58 PM
With newbuilding prices stabilising at levels more attractive to buyers, some owners are dipping their toes in the water once again with ultra large boxship orders, the latest being Zodiac who just last month ordered a series of 13,000 teu ships from STX. It's inevitable that in the long term, the ULCs will continue to reign as their economies of scale are so advantageous. Already there are designs on the table for 20,000+ teu vessels which remain within the current draft boundary of about 15 - 15.5 metres, enabling them to operate on the current FE/Europe/US routes. It's not inconceivable that Maersk are considering 18,000 teu vessels - or even larger - but there's no newbuilding contracts signed yet.

Brgds
Phil
Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: Dave van Spronsen on November 09, 2010, 01:46:23 PM
I think the english channel will be no problem,because the ships will never come fully loaded to Europe.
Even the biggest Bulk Carriers are coming to Rotterdam (Berge Stahl,Margot N).
I have seen that the
CSCL ordert 8 ULCC
UASC have also ordert ULCC,
CSAV will also recieve soon 12.500 Teu containervessel
The only rumours are that Maersk ask some shipyards about 16.000 teu ships.
APL has ordert 10.700 teu ships and Evergreen has ordert 20X 8.900 Teu Ships.
info at http://www.containership-info.com/


Regads,

Dave
 
Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: Julian on November 09, 2010, 03:26:09 PM
Under www.asiasis.com (http://www.asiasis.com) you can read more about the expected order of 20 18000TEU LNG powered vessels by Maersk.
The investment should be around 4 bn US$ and should be fixed until end of the year, if I understand correct.
I think, this will become interesting ships.

regards from Germany

Julian
Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: Phil English on November 09, 2010, 03:58:21 PM
Thanks for the link Julian. Very interesting. As I thought, very much a rumour at this stage with no official word from Maersk, though the Korean yards are clearly getting quite excited at the prospect.

Brgds
Phil
Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: H.J. de Winde on November 09, 2010, 05:52:49 PM
Phil,  it is not exactly a rumour! It is known that Mærsk will reduce their ships in the Middle- and Far East, but they had to transport their quota as in contracts. That only means one thing! Yes. Bigger ships.
To reduce costs of ever blowing up oil prices, they searched for another propulsion and that is LPG.
As you might remember they placed the newbuilding E-types in the 10.000 TEU class however they where build for 12.000 TEU. Now they asked some yards for prices ships up till 16.000 TEU and press (rumours) make it a 18.000! That is also what Dave mentioned.
Not one order is placed at the moment, so let's see what comes up?
Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: pepper_220 on November 11, 2010, 10:09:53 AM
I am interested in the fuel ,will it be the first class of ultra-large container ship making LNG as fuel ?
Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: Phil English on November 11, 2010, 10:51:16 AM
As has been discussed "Pepper", Maersk have yet to make a final decision. Should they place a  contract for these ships, and with LNG powered engines, they will be the first large containerships so fitted.

Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: Andrew McAlpine on November 11, 2010, 12:59:52 PM
It does not surprise me at all that this is already being talked about even if its only a rumour at present.
Maersk Line has always led the way in container ship design and size, although the economic situation isnt the best at the moment shipping lines must look to the future.

It will be interesting to see how this story unfolds, one thing though what ever teu capacity is quoted by Maersk you can be sure that the vessels will actually be able to carry more as they always under declare the capacity of their vessels, in the late 90's Regina Maersk and her sistersuwere quoted as being 6000teu but are nearer to 8000teu, the PS class ie Emma Maersk etc were quoted as 12000teu but are nearer to 14000teu.

Regards
Andrew
Containership Admin
Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: pepper_220 on November 11, 2010, 03:26:14 PM
after PS class,why did maersk build a smaller class "Mette M
Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: Phil English on November 11, 2010, 04:05:13 PM
after PS class,why did maersk build a smaller class "Mette M
Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: pepper_220 on November 12, 2010, 04:48:55 AM
why no other companies build a class longer zhan 370m? 13000-14000TEU maybe the termination of ULCS ? 8)
Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: pepper_220 on November 27, 2010, 04:35:31 AM
the newest rumor:
http://www.joc.com/maritime/maersk-reported-close-18000-teu-ship-order
Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: pepper_220 on December 02, 2010, 04:39:43 AM
wiil it really longer than any ship which human has built ?
http://www.lloydslist.com/ll/sector/containers/article351061.ece
Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: pepper_220 on December 09, 2010, 04:46:14 AM
what will be the name of this class ?M(Malaccamax)-class?
Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: pepper_220 on December 13, 2010, 02:57:38 PM
If they would really built,could they pass the suize canal ?
Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: Andrew McAlpine on December 13, 2010, 04:11:32 PM
Hi,

The Suez Canal is currently between 80-135m wide and approx 20m deep.

It is estimated that a 18,000teu container ship will be around 60m wide and have a draft of around 21m and therefore classed as Post-Suezmax as they will be to deep to transit the canal at present.

With the intended increase of the cross-section breadth and depth of the Suez Canal over the next decade it is thought that a 18,000teu vessel will then be able to transit the canal.

It should also be noted that a future 18,000teu container ship with a draft of 21 m would require existing harbors to be dredged,currently only Rotterdam & Singapore are deep enough.

regards
Andrew
Containership Admin  ;D 
Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: Captain Ted on December 13, 2010, 06:32:38 PM
hi andrew

Yes and no on the passing of the Suez canal
I sailed containerships and I was in 95% of times not of draft marks.
the 21 m would be fully loaded. Therefore only tonnagewise fully loaded
the vessel could not pass the Suez Canal.

brgds
capt ted
Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: Fred Vloo on December 13, 2010, 07:13:19 PM
How many ports will be willing to spent the millions that's needed to deepen their harbours to a depth of 21 meters. The Emma Maersk class can carry about 14,000 teu and measure 398 meters and a widht of 56,6
The big MSC's can carry the same amount and are 366 meters by 51 meters My guess is MSC type ships with Emma Maersk dimensions.

Cheers Fred
Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: Gerrit1973 on December 14, 2010, 10:17:14 AM
Maersk Line has always led the way in container ship design and size, although the economic situation isnt the best at the moment shipping lines must look to the future.

It will be interesting to see how this story unfolds, one thing though what ever teu capacity is quoted by Maersk you can be sure that the vessels will actually be able to carry more as they always under declare the capacity of their vessels, in the late 90's Regina Maersk and her sistersuwere quoted as being 6000teu but are nearer to 8000teu, the PS class ie Emma Maersk etc were quoted as 12000teu but are nearer to 14000teu.

 ;D aaahh... the 'guessing-game'  ;D

So much fun for those who KNOW...  ;)

As for the declared capacity... Other lines quote a capacity based on a maximum no. of EMPTY slots. MSK line quotes a capacity based on a max. no of 'full' units to load. The exact load of that average container has slipped my mind...
Let's suffice to say that MSK is now in the process of moving towards what the 'other' lines estimate and the PS-class is now classified as 14.000 teu on MSK's website.
Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: pepper_220 on December 14, 2010, 02:36:53 PM
Another question:will it be the fist time for maersk to build his largest containership in korea ?if lindo`s drydock is still using,would this 18000teu class build there? ???
Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: Phil English on December 14, 2010, 02:42:38 PM


 ;D aaahh... the 'guessing-game'  ;D

So much fun for those who KNOW...  ;)

As for the declared capacity... Other lines quote a capacity based on a maximum no. of EMPTY slots. MSK line quotes a capacity based on a max. no of 'full' units to load. The exact load of that average container has slipped my mind...
Let's suffice to say that MSK is now in the process of moving towards what the 'other' lines estimate and the PS-class is now classified as 14.000 teu on MSK's website.

[/quote]

The exact load of the average container is quoted as 14 tonnes by many industry sources. Maersk may be different however. They usually are  :-\

Brgds
Phil
Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: rd77 on December 15, 2010, 10:42:08 AM
Another question:will it be the fist time for maersk to build his largest containership in korea ?if lindo`s drydock is still using,would this 18000teu class build there? ???

The Lindo yard is closing down in 2012, so these ships will definitely NOT be built at Lindo.
Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: pepper_220 on December 16, 2010, 01:21:15 PM
Has daewoo longer enough drydock to build a containership ? 470m?!
Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: Gerrit1973 on December 17, 2010, 01:34:00 AM
Another question:will it be the fist time for maersk to build his largest containership in korea ?if lindo`s drydock is still using,would this 18000teu class build there? ???

The Lindo yard is closing down in 2012, so these ships will definitely NOT be built at Lindo.


PS-class could only fit in Lindo-docks with 4 meters to spare. Larger ships would have definitely been a no-go anyway.
Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: Daniel B on December 17, 2010, 01:41:21 AM
Not to worry,a graving drydock can easily be lengthened when you have cheap land to dig into,nearby. We have a repair yard not far from where I live where they repeatedly increasd the length of the drydock when the need arised...
Daniel in Qu
Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: pepper_220 on December 17, 2010, 04:34:43 AM
How long is daewoo`s longest drydock ?
Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: Michael van der Meer on December 17, 2010, 05:39:22 AM
All E-class vessels will go into a dry dock near Hong Kong, so there are indeed more docks which can handle this size of vessel.
Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: pepper_220 on December 17, 2010, 03:12:05 PM
All E-class vessels will go into a dry dock near Hong Kong, so there are indeed more docks which can handle this size of vessel.
but if maersk`s next 18000teu class containership is real longer than 470m?
Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: pepper_220 on December 18, 2010, 08:31:05 AM
Who knows what kind of containership which daewoo is building now ?
Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: Michael van der Meer on December 18, 2010, 09:23:46 AM
Remember at this moment a very, very limited number of ports could handle such vessels if the length is really 470m.
Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: pepper_220 on December 18, 2010, 01:22:48 PM
Remember at this moment a very, very limited number of ports could handle such vessels if the length is really 470m.
Maybe this is the biggest problem for the birth of this class ship
Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: Ben Backstay on December 18, 2010, 02:44:54 PM
The problem with a longer ship is not the berths, but the size of the swinging area in the port. Most ports have geographical constraints and will be unable to accommodate larger vessels without a huge added cost of additional channel widening to create areas where these vessels could be swung.

I am not convinced that these 18000teu vessels need to be longer than 400 metres. Afterall, they will be 24 boxes across where the E class are 22 and their hull will be more "box" like as per the MSC Daniella class. The E class can, and has actually loaded just over 15000teu.

Using MSC Daniella as an example at 13500teu and building from that, she is 20 boxes across and 44 x 20' bays long. By widening her to 24 boxes across at 7 high on deck and 10 high below deck = 44 x 4 x 17 = 2992. That increases teu to 16492. By now increasing the length by 2 x 40' bays, ie 4 x 20' bays, which brings her to about 400m long the capacity  is incresed by 4 x 24 x 17 = 1632, which gives a total 18124 teu. Take off 124 boxes for good measure and that gives you an 18000teu 400m long ship.

Another point to note is that when Maersk builds their own ships in their own yard, they are very secretive about the sizes etc, but when another yard is building them for maersk, the yard wants the publicity that they are building the first of the next generation, so they sing loadly about the actual capacity of the ship.
Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: Kelvin Davies on December 18, 2010, 04:16:16 PM
Who knows what kind of containership which daewoo is building now ?


At the moment, Daewoo Okpo are building a series of 14,000 TEU ships for CPO, Hamburg including what looks like a new MSC Napoli.
All of these ships are the same specification as MSC Daniela.
Hyundai Heavy Industries are building 4 new Maersk/(Rickmers) of 13,092 TEU.
Kelvin
Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: Michael van der Meer on December 18, 2010, 04:22:09 PM
Fully agree with PilotB10.
As I am working at Maersk Line marine operations Northern Europe, I am daily involved in the scheduling & berthing of the "Emma Maersk" class vessels. Ports like Bremerhaven, you have specific tidal requirements to ensure the vessel will swing on or just before/after the tide is changing. With such a length you are 'obstructing' a significant part of the river / tidal flow, which might push such a big vessel and let it be out of control with all negative consequences.

Perhaps vessels might be a little bit longer, but I reckon the biggest capacity increase will come from extra wide or heigh vessels. This requires a new generation of gantry cranes as well.
Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: pepper_220 on December 19, 2010, 05:08:32 AM
Who knows what kind of containership which daewoo is building now ?


At the moment, Daewoo Okpo are building a series of 14,000 TEU ships for CPO, Hamburg including what looks like a new MSC Napoli.
All of these ships are the same specification as MSC Daniela.
Hyundai Heavy Industries are building 4 new Maersk/(Rickmers) of 13,092 TEU.
Kelvin


will this be the first time for maersk to build his largest boxship in korea ? How long will it take them to build a 18000 teu boxship?
Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: pepper_220 on December 19, 2010, 05:23:30 AM
another question :will it be the first large boxship using LNG as fule?
Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: Ben Backstay on December 19, 2010, 11:30:16 AM
Perhaps vessels might be a little bit longer, but I reckon the biggest capacity increase will come from extra wide or heigh vessels. This requires a new generation of gantry cranes as well.

The new cranes at Felixstowe South have an outreach of 24 boxes, so some ports already have these in place.
Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: pepper_220 on December 20, 2010, 02:27:24 PM

The new cranes at Felixstowe South have an outreach of 24 boxes, so some ports already have these in place.
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when did they got fixed there?after emma maersk was put into service ?
Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: Andrew McAlpine on December 20, 2010, 03:57:39 PM

The new cranes at Felixstowe South have an outreach of 24 boxes, so some ports already have these in place.
when did they got fixed there?after emma maersk was put into service ?
[/quote]

Pepper, they have been arriving during the course of this year espeically for the Felixstowe South terminal, the first berths 7 & 8 which are due to become operational early next year will have a total of 7 x 24 wide cranes built by ZPMC China.
Felixstowe already has a number of 22 wide cranes which are used on the Emma Maersk & other "PS" class vessels.

regards
Andrew
Containership Admin
Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: Gerrit1973 on December 21, 2010, 10:06:32 AM
Fully agree with PilotB10.
As I am working at Maersk Line marine operations Northern Europe, I am daily involved in the scheduling & berthing of the "Emma Maersk" class vessels. Ports like Bremerhaven, you have specific tidal requirements to ensure the vessel will swing on or just before/after the tide is changing. With such a length you are 'obstructing' a significant part of the river / tidal flow, which might push such a big vessel and let it be out of control with all negative consequences.

Perhaps vessels might be a little bit longer, but I reckon the biggest capacity increase will come from extra wide or heigh vessels. This requires a new generation of gantry cranes as well.

In Rotterdam, most vessels get turned in the 'put' (pitt) which is specially dredged out for the loading / discharging of oil-rigs. So that would be no problem.
However, assuming that the vessel will get WIDER in stead of longer, they will obstruct a large part of the incoming sea-lane.
At present E-class vessels already prohibit other large seagoing vessels from departing and / or arriving between the wavebreaks at Hook of Holland. Especially when weather-conditions are rough NO other vessels are allowed in or out of the same approach.
WIDER vessels would obstruct the approach even more, so it may also be a considderation for MSK Line wether or not that is desirable. I could imagine port-authorities would like to tax those vessels more than others  ;D
Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: Fred Vloo on December 21, 2010, 01:04:16 PM
I have seen the big ones passing each other on several occassions.
With rough weather it should not be that difficult to let them pass on different times.
Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: Ben Backstay on December 21, 2010, 02:15:52 PM
Surely these bigger container vessels will have no greater impact on traffic than the ULCC's and ore carriers that frequent Europort?
Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: pepper_220 on December 21, 2010, 02:31:06 PM
Fully agree with PilotB10.
As I am working at Maersk Line marine operations Northern Europe, I am daily involved in the scheduling & berthing of the "Emma Maersk" class vessels. Ports like Bremerhaven, you have specific tidal requirements to ensure the vessel will swing on or just before/after the tide is changing. With such a length you are 'obstructing' a significant part of the river / tidal flow, which might push such a big vessel and let it be out of control with all negative consequences.

Perhaps vessels might be a little bit longer, but I reckon the biggest capacity increase will come from extra wide or heigh vessels. This requires a new generation of gantry cranes as well.

In Rotterdam, most vessels get turned in the 'put' (pitt) which is specially dredged out for the loading / discharging of oil-rigs. So that would be no problem.
However, assuming that the vessel will get WIDER in stead of longer, they will obstruct a large part of the incoming sea-lane.
At present E-class vessels already prohibit other large seagoing vessels from departing and / or arriving between the wavebreaks at Hook of Holland. Especially when weather-conditions are rough NO other vessels are allowed in or out of the same approach.
WIDER vessels would obstruct the approach even more, so it may also be a considderation for MSK Line wether or not that is desirable. I could imagine port-authorities would like to tax those vessels more than others  ;D
Maybe this is one of the reasons that some rumors saying maersk`s next generation containership will longer than 470, the width and draft maybe same as emma ?
Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: pepper_220 on December 22, 2010, 11:20:34 AM
did daewoo build all the large containership in his float dock ?
Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: Federico on December 23, 2010, 05:01:34 PM
I think that there are enough giant ships which proceed at the limits of the sense of manouvrability and which can represents a real danger for any structure or ship in case something goes wrong. The point I would like to underline is: are the crew enough prepared to intervene in case of mishandling? I know how many Captains don't want to take tugs and are too much confident on their thrusters. But too many times, if they are called to operate personally they don't know what to do. This because they have an utmost order from their supervisors not to take tugs if not strictly necessary! I understand to save money, but they must not put anybody and anything in danger!
Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: pepper_220 on December 25, 2010, 02:48:37 PM
how many ports have fixed the cranes with an outreach of 24 boxes?
Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: pepper_220 on January 01, 2011, 03:55:44 PM
in 2004-2006,Maersk has denied many times for the building of EMMA maersk,from this point ,maybe the contract of 18000teu containerships has been signed?
Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: Gerrit1973 on January 02, 2011, 12:46:04 AM
Maybe yes, maybe no.

I guess we'll hear soon enough when there is an enormous keel being laid somewhere in South-Korea?  ;D
Otherwise, the answer is: no?
Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: pepper_220 on January 02, 2011, 04:31:41 AM
some rumors says that the first ship will be put into service in 2012?
Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: Fred Vloo on January 02, 2011, 08:36:07 AM
@ Pepper_220: So far you are the only one spreading rumours here.

Have fun
Fred
Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: pepper_220 on January 04, 2011, 01:44:56 PM
an interesting link
http://articles.sfgate.com/2010-12-12/business/25187957_1_ships-neptune-orient-lines-container
Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: pepper_220 on January 23, 2011, 01:43:57 PM
Perhaps vessels might be a little bit longer, but I reckon the biggest capacity increase will come from extra wide or heigh vessels. This requires a new generation of gantry cranes as well.

The new cranes at Felixstowe South have an outreach of 24 boxes, so some ports already have these in place.
how many ports have fixed with cranes of outreaching of 24 boxes ?
Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: Andrew McAlpine on January 24, 2011, 10:45:15 AM
the following was reported in lloyds List 21 January 2011

Maersk to use twin engines in giant boxships

New generation vessels unlikely to use alternative fuels

A Series of giant containerships that AP Moller-Maersk is poised to order are expected to be twin-engined and oil-powered.

Speculation that Maersk would go for alternative fuels such as LNG has been played down by industry sources who think the Danish line will instal conventional marine engines in a new generation of 18,000 teu ships that could be ordered in the coming weeks.

However, it looks as if Maersk has decided to fit two propulsion systems so as to provide back-up, should an engine fail on such a huge vessel.

This is a more expensive option in the short-term, but a valuable insurance policy in the event of a breakdown, experts say.

Although containership ordering activity resumed very soon after the container trades staged a strong recovery from the 2009 slump, much to the surprise of many seasoned industry insiders, Maersk appears to be the only owner planning to order malaccamax boxships right now.

Some other lines have openly stated that they think 18,000 teu ships are too inflexible, but Maersk should be able to achieve considerable economies of scale that would significantly lower its slot costs in the Asia-Europe trades, the only route suitable for vessels of such magnitude.

But Maersk is one of the few lines that could probably raise the finance for newbuildings of this size right now. The price is likely to work out at around $180m apiece, according to one estimate, and an initial order for 10 seems probable. However, Maersk and Daewoo Shipbuilding and Marine Engineering, the single shipyard still in the running, remain in discussion on a number of technical matters, Lloyd
Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: Captain Ted on January 25, 2011, 10:28:50 AM
I worked 2002-03 on Maersk chartered cont ships. I remember that in Houston one of their
Tech-inspectors was a/b and he told me that Maersk had at that time already drawings for 18-20.000 TEU,s ready in the drawers.
So, the order or planned order for those ships is to no surprise to me.

What as Capt would concern me much more, are those ships still possible to be controled in certain situations like  engine break downs, or wind gusts during entering ports.
I think , at least, it is a very high risk. also when those ships are only entering the ports in rather good weather conditions, and turning basins are dredged etc etc. ( I heard RDAM build just for the E-class bigger tugs ? )  But what when the engine breakdown on the river and the vessel goes into the banks and lays across
a river. Those length vessels easy blocking the whole river and possbily even break
under those circumstances.

I spoke with a friend of mine, at a german shipping company, who actually asked me if
I would be interested to sail on a 10800 TEU. I declined because personal I think it
is a very high risk job. The moment something goes wrong, you as Master are in the shooting
line, never mind you did something wrong or not. All too often after something happened the Capt is nailed be the media and month or years later of litigation he may be cleared, but the carriere is in that moment over for that Capt. Insuracne one can not buy for this, personal, or at a horrendous price and the Master is not covered by the P and I insurance for the ship that is only for the ship/cargoes and damages the ship does, but not the eventual litigations which follow nowadays surely in an accident involved such size vessels.
I read somehwere once (correct me if I am wrong) that a vessel of E-class size would cause
a damage/loss of 1.2 billion dollars when fully utilizedby cargo and lost at sea. That is only for the cargo a/b and the ship and not the follow damages to receivers etc for other losses.

I fully realize in order to keep costs down, to go big, but it may come one day to one of those ports who handles them at are very stiff price.
Lets hope that will never happen, but than,,,there is MRUPHY,s law !!!

brgds
capt ted
Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: pepper_220 on January 25, 2011, 01:55:02 PM
I guess maybe maersk would build them to make a new AE line---passing Cape of Good Hope ,all these huge boxships will ‎Travel for 8-10 miles an hour, another anvantage is they coul avoid ‎Somalia pirates :-* :-*

Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: Michael van der Meer on January 25, 2011, 02:07:54 PM
@Capt Ted

I am working for Maersk Line in Rotterdam and responsible for scheduling of the AE7 service, on which
the E-class is sailing.

The Danish vessels, especially this E-class are sailing very 'sharp' and precise. Together with her double
bow & sternthrusters it's very easy to manoeuvre in a port. Better compared to the bridge fwd-engine aft
vessels.

The limitations on the wind are certainly there. Especially if the ships are loaded with empty containers
they catch a lot of wind and are relative very light in the water. In Rotterdam (and other ports) this will
definitely give some limations.

Fortunately nowadays more and more ports are 'used' to bigger ships, which also increasing the
experience of the pilots who has to take those vessels safely in and out. Regarding the special built
tugs in Rotterdam for those E-class, well, I don't think so. Rotterdam needs more powerful tugs for
heavy bulk- and oiltankers or containerships without powerful sternthrusters, while in good weather
conditions those E-class vessels can arrive and depart without any tugs at all.

The bigger the ship, the bigger the attention of the media in case something happens....
that's a common thing :)

There is certainly a limit, especially if the port infrastructure (terminals & nautical) are not keeping up
with the development of those new megaships. In Northern Europe, Rotterdam is the only port
which is able to receive similar vessels already, especially once the Maasvlakte II is there.

@ Pepper_220 The current market does not really 'appreciate' such very long transit times, except if
you only wish to have empty equipment on board those services, which is not likely. The current rising
heavy fuel price during the last few months gives some advantages still to go via Suez instead of Cape of Good Hope.

Recently an E-class was approached by a pirate skiff, however, doesn't matter the speed, they are never able
to board those ships while sailing. Before the reach the deck, the crew still has time to have lunch!
It seems the pirates becoming more and more aggressive, even though the know they are not able to get on board.
Obviously this scares the crew even more.... :o

Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: spotti on January 25, 2011, 03:09:26 PM

According to Alphaliner today the length of the new Maersk giants
should be 440 metres.

Probably APM Terminals will construct gantry cranes of their new
design for these (potential) vessels.

Niels
Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: Captain Ted on January 25, 2011, 08:09:16 PM
hi michael

yes,,Maersk is 1st in scheduling and keep them, I know that,,worked about 3 years on Maersk chartered ships. There surely is a reason why they are so big.
I personally as Master would however not like to sail those big ships, special as I pointed out for liability reasons against the master after accident happens. If they maneuvre that ,good,, yes,,most probably they do. But then, almost all container ships nowadays
maneuvre very good. But it is also a fact that most container ships have underpowered
bowthrusters and sometimes getting in hairy situations when sudden wind sqaulls coming up
(talking out of own experiences)
Ships breaking down, thats a fact and sooner or later it will happen also with a E-class
or even bigger ones. Then the blame game starts and as you well know, the weak link in the litigation chain is the Master.
Remember the Exxon Valdez ?  2 or 3 days after the accident Exxon filed a law suit against the Master, also when he in the end was cleared, but his carriere was over. (at least then)
No Masters job is paid that good, that with one mistake your carriere is over.
As you pointed out,,the media reports right away and todays media and public want always right away a "guilty" one. That,s expected from them almost by the public

The real problem in my view, one mistake on such ships or mishap is already one too much.
On most ships I sailed, one could control a situation, on these big ships, with a power failure in the wrong moment there is no controle anymore.
As you pointed out, the windfactor, just imagine wind 4-5 and not even half full by weight
but full by empty container. Those ships going off like a sailing yard at full speed !!!

Lets hope that never will happen, but surely I don,t want to be in the shoes of that unfortunate Capt to whom it will happen !!!

regds
capt ted
Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: pepper_220 on January 26, 2011, 04:47:48 AM

According to Alphaliner today the length of the new Maersk giants
should be 440 metres.

Probably APM Terminals will construct gantry cranes of their new
design for these (potential) vessels.

Niels
At first some rumors said they will longer than 470m ,could you give us the link ?
Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: jan_t on January 27, 2011, 11:36:05 AM
At first some rumors said they will longer than 470m ,could you give us the link ?

http://www.alphaliner.com/liner2/research_files/newsletters/2011/no04/Alphaliner%20Newsletter%20no%2004%20-%202011.pdf

then there is further link within that document.


Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: pepper_220 on January 27, 2011, 01:51:18 PM
At first some rumors said they will longer than 470m ,could you give us the link ?

http://www.alphaliner.com/liner2/research_files/newsletters/2011/no04/Alphaliner%20Newsletter%20no%2004%20-%202011.pdf

then there is further link within that document.



could not open the link,by the way,are there any cranes with the outreach of 26 rows using in any ports ?
Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: jan_t on January 27, 2011, 01:55:22 PM
Try via http://www.alphaliner.com/ and select newsletter 2011-04 from the grey 'News and Reports' box on the right.

Alternatively try to copy and paste the link into your browser, rather than click it directly in shipspotting. Usually that will work.
Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: Andrew McAlpine on January 27, 2011, 10:20:13 PM
Hi Jan,

thank you for the link to the news letter, it will be very intersting to see what develops.

regaeds
Andrew
Containership Admin
Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: pepper_220 on January 28, 2011, 01:47:33 PM
what a nice carrier! if it would really built in this shape
Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: pepper_220 on February 01, 2011, 03:33:55 AM
Is there crane with the out reach of 26 rows using in maersk`s AE line ports?
Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: jan_t on February 01, 2011, 10:46:57 AM
As you can see in the pdf...

http://www.alphaliner.com/liner2/research_files/Alphaliner-20Kteu-ULCS.pdf

...the exemplary ship is 'only' 23 rows wide. 24 rows might also be an option. I believe that - though technically possible - 26 rows would be a bit 'too much'. There are already a sufficient number of 22/23 row cranes in most major ports in the Far East, Straits, Middle East and (northern) Europe. New deep water terminals (like APMT Maasvlakte 2 and JWP Wilhemlshaven) will plly be fitted with 24-25 row outreach gantries.

Also: An extremely wide ship might (even if the cranes were in place) be too 'slow' in port, as the ratio of 'max teu intake' vs 'max number of cranes to simultaneously work on the ship' will deteriorate.

Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: spotti on February 01, 2011, 03:08:57 PM
The problem of "ratio of max teu intake vs max number of cranes to simultaneously
work on the ship" has apparently been solved by APM Terminals' new FastNet Crane
Technology.

This new concept is enabling STS gantry cranes to work on adjacent bays of large
container ships effectively doubling productivity.

Basically the FastNet cranes "share" a common leg structure so each crane will only
need a space of 40 feet.

Source: www.apmterminals.com   - Innovation (including a video)

Niels
Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: jan_t on February 01, 2011, 03:23:04 PM
I don't believe in the concept. It looks way too expensive and too inflexible for me. Presumably, conventional (though very large) gantries will remain industry standard.

Remember: You would not have to equip ONE port with FastNet Cranes, but ALL ports which are served by such ultra-large ships, to really benefit from such a system. I don't see that happen.

Also: Usually the bottleneck at a terminal does not consist of the cranes: Under strain, the container yard, the railyard, the VC or AGV and the truck in/out gates usually break down way before the cranes are at their max capacity...
Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: spotti on February 01, 2011, 05:38:20 PM

Well, it actually looks like the guys of APM Terminals believe in the concept !

Niels
Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: jan_t on February 01, 2011, 07:08:44 PM
Then why have they not commissioned such an installation for the new JWP in Germany, where APMT/Maersk is a major shareholder? And: Will such a system be installed at the new APMT-managed Maasvlakte II terminal?

The two are among the (European) terminals most likely to see calls from +15,000 teu Jumbos after 2013, provided such large ships will actually be built.

Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: spotti on February 01, 2011, 08:14:11 PM
Regarding the question as to whether +15,000 teu Jumbos will be built, just a quote from Containerisation International magazine (jan/2011): "While there will continue to be a need for container vessels of many different sizes, I do not think anybody doubts that we also will see larger vessels in the future." "...and it of course makes sense to consideer larger vessels due to the economies of scale of using such ships". "In our view, a key factor is the strong relationship between ship size and environmental performance" (Soren Andersen, vice president and head of Maersk Line's vessel management division).

Apparently there is still some doubt in certain places as to whether the market will see
Jumbo-style containerships in the future!

As to APM Terminals FastNet crane concept: it is of course anybody's choice to see the
public announcement by APMT as just an excellent reason to make a nice video!

Niels
Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: spotti on February 04, 2011, 09:01:18 AM
The +15,000 teu Jumbos are apparently already sailing the high seas.
Maersk Line's E-Class (PS-class) is still growing. After the second
adjustment by Maersk these vessels are now stated with a nominal capacity
of 15,500 teu on www.maerskline.com  /Services
Until January 17 2011 the vessel's list stated a 14,770 teu capacity.

At the time of phasing-in the vessels' capacity were stated by Maersk
at 11,000 teu as far as I recall.

Not that far now to the "magic" 18,000 teu   ;)

Niels
Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: Captain Ted on February 04, 2011, 10:10:32 AM
Not magic Spotti

I think I read something that Maersk in the beginning understated the capacity in order to make sure such big ships would work and could really carry that. If I remember right, when under construction the e-class was given with 13.000 TEU. If that is correct, then the later increases are not that "magic", however unusual for sure, but easy to do by just increasing the
container tiers on deck. And "behind" the accommodation (bridge), virtually, the sky is the limit !! 
I sailed not that big container vessels, mainly in the 2500 TEU range, but jacking up the
TEU capacity is rather easy. In front of the bridge we could on those vessels take 7 high
instead of 6 and so on to the forward. Therefore, another layer (tier) empties on top und
presto,,there you have another 250 or so TEU more. It is of course only a theoretical number.
the max capacity with mixed container, but all full, was about 65% of theoretical TEU.
At that point the max stability/draft was reached. Usually, rough said, hatches all full
2 full tiers on deck and about another tier, the 3rd at about 50-75% full. At that time most container ships are full .Of course,,there is then plenty space above free, but that is gone
because the vessel reaches the max stability capacity and can not load any more by that criteria,
but is way off from it,s given max TEU capacity.
I personal think ,this bigger number that better is only for "news creating", nothing really to do
with real possiblities of the ships.

brgds
capt ted

 
Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: Phil English on February 04, 2011, 11:17:07 AM
Maersk haven't increased the container capacity of the E-Class, they always were 15,550 nominal teu. Maersk's previous policy was to state teu capacity by homogeneous @14t, but now they have joined the rest of the World by quoting nominal teu capacity.

Brgds
Phil
Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: jan_t on February 04, 2011, 12:16:38 PM
Indeed, the ship size has not increased and neither have he actual loading factors of the E-class ships. Only that shipping lines look at it from another angle nowadays.

Now that environmental concerns play an increasing role in the evaluation of supply chains, overstating the capacity of a ship actually makes sense. The more boxes a ship carries, the lower the fuel consumption / CO-2 emission per teu. Had Maersk insisted that the ships only carried 11,000 teu max, then the vessels' eco-balance would not have been as 'green' as they would like to boast it is...

Based on 15,000 teu per voyage rather than only 11,000 teu, the 'per-teu eco-friendliness' magically gains some 40%...

In reality, actual teu volumes will be somewhere inbetween the two extremes.
Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: Michael van der Meer on February 07, 2011, 11:21:50 AM
It's nice to see all the discussions here. As I am working at Maersk Line I would like to join discussions without going into much detail. I am not representation Maersk Line here but writing as a fellow ship spotter and obviously respect the confidentiality of the company regarding future plans.

Well, regarding the draft, it would be extremely stupid to build vessels with such a deep draft where they can not enter any port anymore, even the main ports. Rotterdam is the only port in Europe which can handle container ships up to their maximum draft of 16m without restrictions. Nowadays, the PS-Class are calling Rotterdam, Felixstowe and Bremerhaven in Northern Europe of which 2 ports (the last two) are restricted to 14.5m, which means you cannot fully load the vessel on weight.

Environment is very important, remember the waste heat recovery system on the newest ships, to gain some electric power from the exhaust gases. The bunker prices are rising so quickly that alternatives for heavy fuel must really be considered.

Agree with Phil English, the PS-Class is simply not suitable for all ports/trade, not only because of the dimensions, but imagine the number of cranes which cannot reach the outer rows (22) and the high number of tiers on deck! Smaller (but still big) container ships would be more useful here.
Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: jan_t on February 07, 2011, 02:58:16 PM
Rotterdam is the only port in Europe which can handle container ships up to their maximum draft of 16m without restrictions.

Yes, but by the time any projected superjumbo was to enter the market, there'd be sufficient ports to handle the vessel at design(!) darft, and also at full or near-summer draft. Just build the new jumbos to the max Loa/Beam/Draft specifications permissible in Zeebruege, Le Havre Port 2000, Wilhelmshaven and Rotterdam, and you'll easily end up with a +18,000 teu ship (if that is what you want).

Environment is very important, remember the waste heat recovery system on the newest ships, to gain some electric power from the exhaust gases.
Yes, but the system is more or less pointless if the vessels sail at 17 knots and the ME is running at 30 per cent load. The effect will be (nearly) zero.

Agree with Phil English, the PS-Class is simply not suitable for all ports/trade.
Indeed. But the class was never meant to be suited for all ports. Maersk has sufficient 'small' ships of 8,000 teu for those trades.

It will be interesting to see what Maersk will come up with. If they wait too long, shipbuilding prices will have increased too much to take advantage of the present lows. That is unless they already have some kind of MoU in place. I would not be surprised.
Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: pepper_220 on February 08, 2011, 04:15:53 AM
just an article in "Asiasis Daily News" --"Big4 running for 20000TEU class",another 3 companies are interested in the box of this shape ? :-* :-*
Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: jan_t on February 08, 2011, 08:17:07 AM
Pepper, I dare say you misread the Asiasis article. (Or maybe you just saw the headline, which is indeed a bit misleading...?) It does not claim that three more shipping lines (in addition to Maersk) are interested in +18,000 teu ships. I just claims that all four major shipyards in Korea (Hyundai HI and affiliates, DSME, STX and Samsung) are in theory capable of building such ships. Obviously, each of these will have at least talked to an owner who signals interest in such vessels (i.e. Maersk).

I dare say that in addition, Hanjin would also be prepared to build this kind of ship: Not in Korea but at its Philippine yard.

PS: Several large carriers - led by MSC - have recently stated that they had no plans to go beyond the 14,000 teu size range in the foreseeable future. (Although in the end one never knows...)
Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: pepper_220 on February 08, 2011, 04:18:13 PM
thanx a lot ! another question :is this a moderate time for maersk to order a ULCS of that size ?besides the factor of price ?
Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: jan_t on February 08, 2011, 04:49:24 PM
In the end it really is a matter of the carriers' strategies. Whether this is a good time or not to order ships depends upon what a carrier wants to achieve. For example:

>Grow agressively and increase market share, even if growth as such does not yield any short-term revenue.

>renew your fleet with newbuidings while disposing of elderly ships

>gradually return (expensive) charter vessels to the ships' owners whenever long-term charter contracts expire and replace the ships with newbuildings ordered when prices where low

etc.

If a line is able to finance new orders and has a number of ships on costly long-term charters (signed around 2003 and due to expire in - say - 2013), then new orders could be an attractive option while prices are still moderate.

Just take a look at http://www.alphaliner.com/top100/index.php and you can play around with the numbers a bit to see what might be a fitting stragety for which carrier...
Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: pepper_220 on February 16, 2011, 02:44:46 PM
any recent news about maersk`s new design of next generation ULCS ?
Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: Michael van der Meer on February 16, 2011, 03:34:46 PM
Considering the history, it keeps quiet around these developments until the last moment. Until that time, the most creative rumors going around! :D
Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: pepper_220 on February 18, 2011, 04:18:39 AM
newest news would be announced next week!:

http://www.cnbc.com/id/41655805
Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: Fred Vloo on February 18, 2011, 06:50:20 AM
We're now telling here that there is no news and that there will be news next week. Gosh that is some news.

Have fun
Fred
Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: John Jones on February 18, 2011, 12:59:04 PM
Today I read that Maersk have just signed a deal for 10 18,000TEU newbuildings costing $200m each with Daewoo Shipbuilding & Marine Engineering.

They are in talks for a further 10 ships.

They are preparing for details ahead of a public announcement expected next week.

Regards
John Jones
Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: pepper_220 on February 19, 2011, 02:09:28 AM
the most exciting news after the birth of EMMA MAERSK !!! will they really longer than 470m?
Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: spotti on February 21, 2011, 08:05:15 AM
Daewoo has now confirmed Maersk's order for 10 ships of 18,000 teu.
The contract is supplemented by an option of up to 20 - twenty - similar
ships.

Lloyd's List states that the option covers 10 similar vessels.
Based upon the max. contract value, Lloyd's figure of 10 optional
vessels is probably correct.

The contract to be signed later today.

Sources: several Danish media quoting Bloomberg, - and Lloyd's.

Niels
Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: pepper_220 on February 21, 2011, 09:15:42 AM
I wonder the exact price ,2 or 1.8 billion dollars for 10 ships?
Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: Fred Vloo on February 21, 2011, 09:43:01 AM
The Bloomberg article speaks of 400-meter-long (1,312-foot-long) vessels.

Cheers Fred
Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: jan_t on February 21, 2011, 10:10:41 AM
- ca USD 190m per ship for the first 10 units.
- 20 options for further ships of similar design attached
- twin engine design
- delivery starting 2014
Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: jan_t on February 21, 2011, 10:59:04 AM
Here is the official release from Maersk: http://www.maersk.com/AboutMaersk/News/Pages/20110221-114659.aspx

>> http://www.worldslargestship.com/
Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: FelixstoweNews on February 21, 2011, 11:07:33 AM
There's a lot of technical and video material here:

http://maersk.synapticdigital.com/Latest-Stories/maersk-orders-largest-most-efficient-ships-ever/s/ca8cef56-d928-48b2-a63c-375babcea29f (http://maersk.synapticdigital.com/Latest-Stories/maersk-orders-largest-most-efficient-ships-ever/s/ca8cef56-d928-48b2-a63c-375babcea29f)
Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: Michael on February 21, 2011, 12:15:45 PM
Interesting concept, a natural progression of the split accomodation/uptake concept seen recently, I presume twin engines as a single diesel engine cannot be built big enough to power such a large vessel?, not at container ship transit speeds anyway.

Best

Michael
Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: Capt.Marshall on February 21, 2011, 01:32:34 PM
http://www.maerskline.com/link/?page=news&path=/news/story_page/11/Triple_E



Maersk Line has signed a contract for 10 of the world
Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: Fred Vloo on February 21, 2011, 02:41:17 PM
According to one of the videos these new vessels have one more row of containers then Emma Maersk class and is only e few meters longer. So that comes to 23 containers wide imho.
Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: pepper_220 on February 21, 2011, 03:02:58 PM
really,really,really disappointed !!!will it only 3 meters longer than emma ?
Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: Fred Vloo on February 21, 2011, 03:12:33 PM
Sorry Pepper, as I already expected not much longer.
Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: pepper_220 on February 21, 2011, 03:26:00 PM
another time for maersk to hide the capacity of her largest boxship ?
Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: Fred Vloo on February 21, 2011, 03:29:41 PM
That was not hiding anything, but more the way you meassure the capacity.
Empty containers, fully laden or an average.
Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: pepper_220 on February 21, 2011, 03:32:46 PM
will they be 10 meters higher than emma ?
Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: Phil English on February 21, 2011, 03:38:35 PM
will they be 10 meters higher than emma ?

In what context do you mean "higher"?
Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: pepper_220 on February 21, 2011, 03:40:00 PM
if the size will be accurate ,why maersk would not build them in her own shipyard -odense? price problem?
Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: Fred Vloo on February 21, 2011, 03:50:14 PM
if the size will be accurate ,why maersk would not build them in her own shipyard -odense? price problem?

That's correct, labour here in Europe is very expensive.
Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: Phil English on February 21, 2011, 04:27:14 PM
if the size will be accurate ,why maersk would not build them in her own shipyard -odense? price problem?

If you read this thread carefully pepper_220, you will see that this has already been explained to you after you posed a similar question. Maersk's Odense yard is closing after the last vessel under construction there delivers next year.

Brgds
Phil
Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: Dave van Spronsen on February 21, 2011, 04:55:32 PM
Hi All,

Found this video on the Maersk website,about the new containervessels:

http://maersk.synapticdigital.com/Latest-stories/maersk-orders-largest-most-efficient-ships-ever/s/ca8cef56-d928-48b2-a63c-375babcea29f

Regards,

Dave
Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: spotti on February 21, 2011, 07:55:17 PM

A few statements by ML CEO Eivind Kolding at the press conference in London
today:

18,000 teu is the "real" capacity.
The increase in capacity within only modest increases in hull dimensions is
due to a U-shaped hull (versus Emma M
Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: Dave van Spronsen on February 21, 2011, 09:30:51 PM
Today on the Maersk website

Maersk Line has signed a contract for 10 of the world
Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: pepper_220 on February 22, 2011, 04:40:04 AM
is 400m the ultimate size barrier for boxship design ,it will be the first time for maersk to build her largest boxship, before that, PS class ,G class all no more than 8 ships ?
Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: Harry Cotterill on February 22, 2011, 08:22:04 PM
There's some interesting facts, figures and videos of the new Triple E Class here...

http://www.worldslargestship.com/#
Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: Sansep on February 23, 2011, 02:27:07 PM
Hi all,

I'm glad you have referred to the new site: http://www.worldslargestship.com which is a site we are very proud of and believe shows the story about the new class in a nice and informative way.

The construction of this site is the reason why we had to put the project with the fleet list on hold, which a lot of you have been so kind to share pictures for. I'm looking forward to send you the link to that new site when it is launched.

Regards,
Sandra
Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: pepper_220 on February 23, 2011, 03:06:19 PM
is there any possibility that they would change the design in next 20 boxships? Maersk has not ruled out even larger ships in the future should these prove feasible
Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: Fred Vloo on February 23, 2011, 03:36:16 PM
is there any possibility that they would change the design in next 20 boxships? Maersk has not ruled out even larger ships in the future should these prove feasible

Yeah, but that's still a secret. Those ones will be longer than 470 metres.
But pls be quiet don't talk about this outside this community.

Have fun
Fred
Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: pepper_220 on February 24, 2011, 02:45:42 PM
when will daewoo start buiding the her first E-triple class boxship ?
Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: Phil English on February 24, 2011, 03:10:12 PM
when will daewoo start buiding the her first E-triple class boxship ?

Why don't you refer to all the publicity material so far given out my Maersk? If the answer isn't there, it's because the detail hasn't been made public yet. Better still, phone Maersk directly rather than bombarding this site with questions no-one can, or will, answer.

 ::)
Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: Ben Backstay on February 24, 2011, 04:36:43 PM
When Maersk developed the K class at 318 metres, this was modified by adding 2 extra 40' bays into the design which then became the 347m "S" class. Further modifications took place to the "S" class and the result was the 367m "G" class.(although with the G class, the modifications were more than just adding length)

With this previous evolving of a class, I would think it is highly likely this may happen to the Triple E's
Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: pepper_220 on February 25, 2011, 04:35:59 AM
When Maersk developed the K class at 318 metres, this was modified by adding 2 extra 40' bays into the design which then became the 347m "S" class. Further modifications took place to the "S" class and the result was the 367m "G" class.(although with the G class, the modifications were more than just adding length)

With this previous evolving of a class, I would think it is highly likely this may happen to the Triple E's
as this kind of development, next step will be another 20-30m`s longer ?
Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: Judgie on February 25, 2011, 10:35:05 AM
@ Pepper 220

Pepper, you have got to understand that all that has so far been revealed is all that can be revealed, for now. No-one can predict the future. You need to stop asking questions we cannot answer, before the administrators class it as SPAM and block you from posting.
Kind Regards
Mike
Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on February 26, 2011, 01:15:32 AM
So which "new" containership class is this, please enlighten us more?

Maersk have not ordered any newbuild containerships since 2008, when they ordered a series of 4500 teu panamaxes and another of 7450 teu post-panamaxes.

I imagine this is just a spurious rumour based on something that Maersk might be considering for the future.
Well done you were correct
Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: Michael van der Meer on February 27, 2011, 01:17:33 PM
I suggest everyone indeed to keep an eye on the special dedicated website of the new vessels.

Maersk Line has been very public with this new vessel type compared to the previous types, which surely shows a different attitude towards new projects.

This dedicated website www.worldslargestship.com gives so much information for the moment, that all new speculations cannot and will not be answered anyway.

So, enjoy the bunch of information (which could also have been a 'secret' until the delivery from the shipyard!) for the moment and see what the future brings....
Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: pepper_220 on April 06, 2011, 02:12:49 PM
some rumors says that CMG is negociating with samsung to build 8 16000teu ULCS?
Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: Phil English on April 06, 2011, 02:35:09 PM
CMG? Who?
Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: Fred Vloo on April 06, 2011, 02:54:14 PM

Ah it's Mr. Rumours.

You mean CMA CGM?
Not heard yet.

Have fun
Fred
Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: pepper_220 on April 06, 2011, 03:02:34 PM
see this :  from simic.net.cn
CMA CGM wants 16,000TEU's
PostTime:2011-04-06 08:12:12.0 View:9 
CMA CGM is in talks to upsize eight newbuildings on order in South Korea to 16,000 teu.

Eight super-post-panamax containerships being built for the French line at three different yards in South Korea are expected to be upgraded to around 16,000 teu.

Daewoo Shipbuilding & Marine Engineering is understood to have agreed to the request to up the size of its trio from 13,830 teu, while CMA CGM is in contact with Hanjin Heavy Industries and Samsung Heavy Industries to scale up another five super-post-panamaxes.

The trio at Daewoo are already the largest in its fleet and are set for delivery next year. It is not known if delivery could be pushed back to accommodate the request, although one market source suggests the three yards will hand over the enlarged ships in late 2013 and early 2014.

The Daewoo ships are the last in a series of eight ordered in July 2007.

Of the remaining five ships under construction, two are of 12,825-teu at Hanjin's Philippines facility. The Mont Fleury and Mont Blanc are scheduled for delivery in 2013.

The three 12,500-teu vessels at Samsung were originally slated for delivery this year but have been pushed back to 2014. 
Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: Fred Vloo on April 06, 2011, 03:13:57 PM
Ah see, you do have a reliable source now ;-)
Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: pepper_220 on April 06, 2011, 03:38:39 PM
Will CMA CGM be the first company following maersk towards 18000teu?
Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: Phil English on April 06, 2011, 03:59:33 PM
Mr Pepper,

Your first statement suggests that "CMG" (who we now know to be CMA-CGM) are negotiating a NEW shipbuilding contract for 16,000 TEU vessels.

However, the info from simic.net.cn refers to several EXISTING newbuild contracts which might be amended to 16,000 TEU ships.

Why did you post such misleading and erroneous info in the first instance?

Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: spotti on April 06, 2011, 06:41:27 PM

Interesting news you are posting here, Pepper.

Thanks for sharing.

Niels

... and don't bother too much about the teasing by the
"experts"!  ;D
Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: Fred Vloo on April 06, 2011, 07:01:41 PM

Hi Spotti and Pepper,

Guess it's the way Pepper communicates in this group. He has some info but starts here with the question about rumours and do we have more info. No we don't, he's the one who has the info.

But I start understanding Pepper a bit more and as you noticed it is teasing from my side and I hope Pepper does not get to much upsaid by my comments.

Have fun
Fred
Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: pepper_220 on July 27, 2011, 02:10:02 PM
some rumous said that the triple-E class`s real capacity is 18300teu?
Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: Andrew McAlpine on July 27, 2011, 03:34:18 PM
Pepper,

maybe you would like to share with us as to where these rumours have come from?
Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: Fred Vloo on July 27, 2011, 08:11:21 PM
Oh wow 300 more. That's good news.

Have fun
Fred
Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: pepper_220 on July 27, 2011, 11:19:58 PM
this link frome lyod ,I could not see the full article
http://www.lloydslist.com/ll/sector/containers/article375581.ece
Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: Christian on July 28, 2011, 02:58:24 AM
I would like to share my opinion, about the new triple E class... These vessels are allready huge and I think, that this is it, can you imagine 470m long container vessel?
I was onboard of many container vessel ( largerest was around 7,000 TEU ) and it is allready big.

 Does it makes sense to build longer/ wider vessels? This would take new terminals, cranes...

Somebody stop papper220... he is making this topic loosing quality!!
Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: Phil English on July 28, 2011, 08:27:39 AM
The rationale for larger ships has already been discussed at some length here. There is no question that they bring much greater economies of scale. You should take a look at Maersk's website:
http://www.worldslargestship.com/

Brgds
Phil
Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: pepper_220 on July 29, 2011, 02:06:28 PM
who could tell me where could Triple-E put the additional 300teu?
Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: Andrew McAlpine on July 29, 2011, 02:12:24 PM
Pepper,

As Phil has said take a look at the Triple E website and you may be able to find out there, containership designs are constantly refined and modified and even later vessels in a series can have slightly different capacities due to these refinements.

http://www.worldslargestship.com/

Rgds
Andrew
Containership Admin
Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: pepper_220 on April 07, 2012, 02:26:43 PM
oh,maersk`s next generation ULCS? 22000teu ?
look at this :


Terminals must prepare for next-generation ships

Designs for 22,000teu vessels are on the drawing board so terminals must be ready to handle them, according to senior port industry executive, Halfdan Ross.

The Managing Director of APM Terminals Crane & Engineering Services was speaking at the TOC Container Supply Chain Asia Conference in Hong Kong, where delegates discussed the challenges posed by next-generation ultra-large container vessels (ULCVs).

Title: Re: maersk`new class containership ,18000teu ?
Post by: pepper_220 on April 13, 2012, 04:20:15 AM
the crane for maersk`s next generation--22000teu ULCS