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Title: 1 Million Photos
Post by: Andre Brandao on November 08, 2010, 12:01:20 am
We have reached today the mark of 1 million ship photos.
Congratulations to all the team involved in maintaining the site, from admins to photographers.

We are working hard to keep this site as the most important ship enthusiast hub on the internet. More features will be added in the next months - we are always looking for suggestions.

Again congratulations to all involved and thanks again for your support.


Title: Re: 1 Million Photos
Post by: Kyle Larabee on November 08, 2010, 04:03:26 am
Cool im glad to be part of it. ;D


Title: Re: 1 Million Photos
Post by: Mats on November 08, 2010, 07:46:01 am
Great! Congratulations to all.

 ;D


Title: Re: 1 Million Photos
Post by: fernando on November 08, 2010, 12:45:06 pm
Congratulations  :D
Regards Fernando, Montevideo Uruguay


Title: Re: 1 Million Photos
Post by: Dave van Spronsen on November 08, 2010, 01:01:25 pm
Hi All,

Congratulations to all members now the next million photo's,

Regards,

Dave


Title: Re: 1 Million Photos
Post by: Pere66 on November 08, 2010, 02:23:57 pm
Congratulations from www fotosdebarcos,com
, great job
never stop spotting .

best regards from Palma Mca.

Pere


Title: Re: 1 Million Photos
Post by: Xaime Estévez on November 08, 2010, 08:34:52 pm
Congratulations to all members.
one pic... two pics... one million pics!!!!
It is possible to know what photo was the million one??

Best Rgds.
Xaime


Title: Re: 1 Million Photos
Post by: Henrik Soderberg on November 09, 2010, 10:21:31 am
Hi,

Seems like this one:
http://www.shipspotting.com/gallery/photo.php?lid=1207409

Regards,
Henrik


Title: Re: 1 Million Photos
Post by: Xaime Estévez on November 09, 2010, 07:16:22 pm
Thanks a lot, Henrik.
Rgds, Xaime


Title: Re: 1 Million Photos
Post by: marc reynaert on November 10, 2010, 06:25:39 am
Magical number 1.000.000 has been reached.
Now up to the 2.000.000.
Congrats to all of the posters and admins,this site is the best for ship pictures.
Marc


Title: Re: 1 Million Photos
Post by: miraflores on December 12, 2010, 10:00:35 am
About a week ago we had abt. 1 009 400 fotos counted, 2 days ago we had 1 007 500 fotos, today we have only 1 006 947 fotos.
What does it mean? More and more members delete their fotos and quit their account?

Rgds.
Juergen


Title: Re: 1 Million Photos
Post by: Cornelia Klier on December 12, 2010, 12:06:22 pm
About a week ago we had abt. 1 009 400 fotos counted, 2 days ago we had 1 007 500 fotos, today we have only 1 006 947 fotos.
What does it mean? More and more members delete their fotos and quit their account?

Rgds.
Juergen

Hello Jürgen

I think, it is hard to say, what the reason is. Of course you could guess and guess, and still hard to find out, as long you have no evidence  ;D

Of course everyone can decide themselfes, whether deleting their account, and for example - starting an own website, with own designs and own preferences of uploaded photos and documenting about shipspotting as well. Which is of course, a good thing, because everyone must find an own way to get happy. I would not worry about it.

On the other side, it may of course be, that photoadmins have been doing their job, and that some unappropiate photos got deleted, to keep the quality of the website up.
Which leads back to your first assumption, can of course result in some people, going their own way, and get happy with their own website.

OK, is just what I think, and if you think, that there is a technical problem, you may of course contact webmaster. It was not a good time, when during some work on the server, accidentally many photos got lost !!!

So, thanks for bringing this to attention.

Greetings,

Cornelia


Title: Re: 1 Million Photos
Post by: Tina on December 12, 2010, 02:55:38 pm
Hi Jürgen,

it is also possible that the admin deleted photos because the were not equal with the rules. From my account they deleted about 10 photos which exsists than 2008 in shipspotting. No idea why it is done now.

Christina


Title: Re: 1 Million Photos
Post by: Dave van Spronsen on December 12, 2010, 03:07:17 pm
Hi All,

One member that i know is deleting all his picture.because he don't like the new website
He had 12,000 pictures.
Not because of the deletions dicussion.

Regards,

Dave


Title: Re: 1 Million Photos
Post by: Fred Vloo on December 12, 2010, 03:13:46 pm
Since I cannot find any photo of HansE today, must be him.
Really sad to hear.

I can't blame him, I have the same feelings about the site. The site became cold and unpersonnal and I don't have that WE feeling with this site anymore.

Cheers
Fred


Title: Re: 1 Million Photos
Post by: Ron on December 12, 2010, 03:31:49 pm
I agree with Fred, and there is to much garbage on the site.


Title: Re: 1 Million Photos
Post by: Cornelia Klier on December 12, 2010, 03:55:40 pm
Hm.. just a few thoughts here  ;D

About "we" feeling getting lost in the site. I do of course not know the reason for this, but there is one thing, I have learned (or is it just me, in far away Switzerlnd?): "We" - feeling comes only when you are active !!

That means, making comments on photos, making contact to people. A comment like "Beautiful photo" or such, might perhaps not be a real high-end professional comment, but it can lead to something, like a contact, for fellow hobbyists. Now, I have seen, that some people like to do this, and it's nice to have a contact. Some others, are not bothered by this, and they are not interested a bit, in conversation, exchanging topics about photography and such. This is their own thing of course, but those ones - complaining that there is no "we"-feeling ? Then perhaps time, to get a bit active in a social way ?  :o

About too much "garbage" on the site, I think this is best forwarded to webmaster, so perhaps the process of selection by admins can be changed. Of course we try, to keep any garbage away from the site, but if there is a need to adjust rules, of course, such can be considered.

Of course there is not anything wrong, if someone decides that this site is not nice anymore. There are hundreds of possibility, provided by the internet, and I think, there is one that fits, for everyone !!! Most important is, that you do find a way, to be satisfied with how you are doing your hobby, and perhaps, if you do really not find any suitable site, forum etc., you have a brand new idea, to create something, just right for you.

There is always something, that is not perfect. I had spent alot of time, being creative with bad language, because the new system was a bit hard for me, but in the end, it's good. Not perfect, but good.

Just some members make me smile, and they are the ones who go on about, deleting photos, never post again, and in the end, they come back and keep on posting  ;D ;D ;D ;D This makes me giggle, because I think then, in the end, it is not at all as bad, as it is looking !!

So, I think - we are on a good way, with our photos here. For the rest, who is not satisfied, I wish they might find a way of satisfaction themselfes, and continue a happy hobby life  :)


Title: Re: 1 Million Photos
Post by: Fred Vloo on December 12, 2010, 04:16:28 pm
Well Cornelia, maybe you haven't noticed, I used to be very active on the site.
And it means something when people like Hans leave the site and remove 12.000 photos.
Something to think about.


Cheers Fred


Title: Re: 1 Million Photos
Post by: Cornelia Klier on December 12, 2010, 04:22:56 pm
Hm.. Fred, what does it mean otherwise, that someone does not like the site anymore ?

There is nothing wrong with that ! We all do not have to have the same likes and dislikes, so - if something is not good, it is best to go, and find a way, that he likes.

I think, it is not so dramatic, because there are still many active members on this site, and it has to be tolerated, that you can not do it right for everyone, all the time.

Of course, could be too, (who knows?) that one time I will have enough of this site here, but then, well, I simply should move on, and find my own personal way.


Title: Re: 1 Million Photos
Post by: Fred Vloo on December 12, 2010, 04:26:03 pm
Thank you Cornelia, guess I move on too.


Title: Re: 1 Million Photos
Post by: Michael van der Meer on December 12, 2010, 05:27:42 pm
I am regularly visiting Shipspotting.com and now and then upload some pictures as well, however I noticed and as I am reading other threads, many other people as well
do not like to upload too much anymore as some pictures are being considered for deletion immediately or after a few years (!) if there's even a small tiny 'issue' with the picture. Examples that a small piece of the bow/stern not visible while it's a beautiful picture....horizon maybe not levelled completely.

Many people do their best to make and take the effort to upload their pictures and share it with the rest of the world and they are being 'punished' by very strict site standards.

Also a picture of a superstructure could be very interesting for visitors, while the only words in the comments field being 'Full ships only'....

It's clear this website should not become a garbage can and should have standards, but a little bit more flexibility and allowance to 'non-100% perfect' pictures would be appreciated by everyone.


Title: Re: 1 Million Photos
Post by: Tomas Østberg- Jacobsen on December 12, 2010, 06:46:06 pm
I am talking to the ShipSpotting.Com concept and not a single person!
This is 1 (one) of Your problems.


Yeah, I can tell You what Your problem is.For the first i will congratulate You with Your new website.It is very nice afterall.

But Your problem is Your stiffness and arrogance according to the members.For example You can send me privat messages instead of confront me here in the forum.If that is not some kind of arrogance.Well, what is arrogance then.Please, let me know!

Yeah, You have to many Kings on this site, eventually.You are all covered with ADMIN MY THIS AND ADMIN MY THAT.TOPPOSTER and WEBMASTER ***** E.T.C.Many of You also have a lot of stars surrounded around Your neck *****.

Ehhhh..Hello!

Can`t You really not see there is something wrong with the picture?

Everytime I see Ken Smith i get a shock.He looks like a brigadeer general from the second world war!
People are afraid of You and all of Your titles!

Come on!!! We live in the 2011 soon.People will not allow this tyrani any longer.Do You think we are complete fools out here?

That is one of the things You have to get rid of..Yeah, Your hieraci on this site is no good anylonger.And it does not fit in anylonger in our time.

People want to be equal.And people are equal!!!


If You wanna have Your Photo Standards on this site.Well, don`t show it with tyrani!!!






Yeah, start to cry, cant you.


Title: Re: 1 Million Photos
Post by: Tomas Østberg- Jacobsen on December 12, 2010, 07:43:41 pm
Hehe, yes, its falling sharply, better alert cnn. Start behaving like an adult and dont attack people for how they look, how goddamn stupid are you, really?

I aint pleased with how this site is developing either, but trolling like you are doing here...

Well, feel free to make a fool of  youself even more, i dont care.



Title: Re: 1 Million Photos
Post by: Fred Vloo on December 12, 2010, 07:51:04 pm
I myself have no problem with the sitestandards I am a big fan of quality, straight horizons and only whole ships, why is it such a problem to straighten your horizons or to shoot whole ships? There is nothing wrong with the admin team too. So trolling about them is such a waste of time and soooo 2009.
Have a nice Sunday evening
Fred


Title: Re: 1 Million Photos
Post by: Tomas Østberg- Jacobsen on December 12, 2010, 07:59:04 pm
"Even me". Thanx alot, that was nice of you!
Have a fine evening.


Title: Re: 1 Million Photos
Post by: Allan RO on December 12, 2010, 08:40:42 pm
Hi all

I was not going to post again, but here it is.

A few weeks ago I saw a photo in the 'considered for deletion' category.  The photo was of a vessel with considerable history and I added a comment detailing why it should be retained.  By next morning it was gone, no PM to me explaining why.  My comments had been completely ignored.   When this was raised and discussed in the forum, which ruffled a few feathers, I was fobbed off several times and my questions never answered.   The resultant totalitarian answer to the problem was that the 'considered for deletion' category was then made available to Admins only.   What a great step forward in the openness of the site.   So much for democracy, and you wonder why people are leaving the site.........it's now unregulated deletion and members deleting their own as they are fed up with the way the site has gone.

Allan



Title: Re: 1 Million Photos
Post by: Fred Vloo on December 12, 2010, 09:42:45 pm
I agree with you Allan, this is not acceptable.


Title: Re: 1 Million Photos
Post by: Dave van Spronsen on December 12, 2010, 10:01:24 pm
I think, it is not so dramatic, because there are still many active members on this site, and it has to be tolerated, that you can not do it right for everyone, all the time.


I think it's a problem that members are leaving the website,
In de beginning the where around 500-600 uploads for one day now it's only around the 300 pics
HansE has upload around 12,000 pics all deleted,
but we forget,
Marieann from Antwerp also 10,000 is gone ,
Haroship more than 10,000 pics is gone,.
Miraflores not uploading many pictures anymore.
So yes it's a problem that we lose members and pictures.

First of all HansE is not stopped because of the deleting discussion ,but because of the website.
For example one of HansE point

The topphotos in the last 24 hours
Picture with the most hits for the 24 hours everyone how see the pics more and more hits.but the other pictures that been uploading are never gonna gets so many hits on the pics.
So why not the 3 last pictures that been uploading so everyone can be for 5 min on the main page so everyone can see the pics
And everytime the three pics are changing in the last uploads.

Dave


Title: Re: 1 Million Photos
Post by: Cornelia Klier on December 12, 2010, 10:13:55 pm
So, I am not yet getting quiet I see  ;D

It is true, that not yet the ones, who have been complaining, have had a real idea, of how and what to make better. But, such is always welcome !

About top photos:

I, myself have been wondering: Why some photos get so quick to the top ? Someone doing a trick ? (linking the photo externally etc.?) Of course, then I think, oh my, everyone likes to see these old buckets and they get all the views.. what about my brand new carcarrier ??  ;D ;D Hehe I am laughing here, because first, this thought comes. SECOND: Hey, come on - such thought is quite childish, to get yourself disturbed because of some thought, which can be put down to "how unfair, I want to be on that list too". OK, I put such aside, simply because: Does it really mean so much to be on that top-photo list ? Isn't it much more fun, to go out, take the photos, enjoy enhancing them on computer, and finally upload them, and share them ?

Although I agree: Getting rid of the top photo thing, and instead, have every uploaded photo is an idea, too. Otherwise, if there is an incident, and the photo, showing this, is up on the top-photos, nothing wrong with this.

Now, Derek:
I read: The Website is getting bigger. Is this evidence, that it does get bigger ? Because this is just oppisite of what some say - that members are leaving. Or is it so, that some are leaving, and some new ones are coming ? I have recently seen some names here, of people who do - like me - upload as well at vesseltracker. they just came here, are uploading photos, and hopefully enjoying the site.

Now, how is the numbers - leaving, and new arriving members ?

OK, one idea when some say, the site gets too big, and we used to have contacts with people.

Is it possible, to have a kind of little program, that does allow us to have a personal friend list in our profile ? This would be very easy. It would be a nice thing, on weekend - look the friendlist, browse their photos. Such, could perhaps help, not to let the site get too un-personal.

Now, some questions, thoughts and ideas !

Let's get constructive !!! ;D


Title: Re: 1 Million Photos
Post by: Phil English on December 12, 2010, 10:33:19 pm
I don't know the full story but it seems a bit drastic that someone should delete their photos just because they do not like some features of the new site. After all, there is forum category where new site suggestions and comments can be discussed. I don't recall anyone mentioning the kind of issue Dave describes.

As for the deletions issue, these is really getting a bit tedious. Admins have discussed it and it was agreed that changes need to be made, hence Ken's announcement last week. But let me say this. Admins are not infallible and mistakes are sometimes made. Not all admins think the same way and not all agree that photos placed in the considered for deletions category should necessarily be deleted. The decision to have the deletions category open to admins only is purely so that dirty linen is not aired in public. Rest assured that when photos are placed in that category, there will be more watchful eyes looking at them to ensure that anything worthy and posted in the spirit of the site, whether it is of historical or other special interest, or just a good photo that infringes the site standards on a technicality, are as much as possible retained. That's not to say that mistakes still won't be made, but as Ken says, there will be a lightening up of the deletions policy. Only a very small percentage of photos are deleted anyway.

Fortunatly, a lot of members are still posting and it seems that only a minority complain. I enjoy this site now as much as I did in the earlier days and I find the new site much better than the old one. I find myself communicating with more members, the last photo comment feature being a real boon.

But, you can't please all the people all of the time. You have to accept people will come and go, we are not perfect, but we are still the best shipping enthusiast site on the net.

Brgds
Phil


Title: Re: 1 Million Photos
Post by: Fred Vloo on December 12, 2010, 10:36:24 pm
Hi Cornelia,

Maybe it would help a little if you stop ridiculizing peoples arguments. If people think the topphoto thing is unfair and they have a problem with that, then so be it. If you have no problem with that? Good for you.
No I don't have answers and I am willing to be constructive. I and some others just pointed out that for some reason the site feels a lot different then before.
But I will stop arguing here, people only get upset and that was not what I intended.


Title: Re: 1 Million Photos
Post by: Peter S. aus N on December 12, 2010, 11:02:39 pm
Hi all,

the sense of this site is not to supporting us in our hobby or make social contacts for and with our hobby. The sense of this site is to create perfect photos for commercial use. For this they need perfect fotos of vessels with nothing else on it. It must not be a good shot like miraflores ones it must be only the ship,- perfect, clear and in all .
I got e-mail from stupid admins they wanted to delete fotos from 2008 or earlier because the I have copyright in the picture- no problem for me- the new pictures they don't get and the old one's no problem. What sense have it to delete a foto from 2008? And the other top posters don't want to give their fotos away for nothing.
What do you think Tomas sold the site and the site have an investor and he want to get back his money.
On shipspotting places he was nerver seen.
He used us, the fotografers, the admins who spent her time and all to earn money.
I don't like the language of Mr. Petersen but I can understand HansE and the others
Xlyad- Peter


Title: Re: 1 Million Photos
Post by: Cornelia Klier on December 12, 2010, 11:08:40 pm
Hello Peter,

alot of truth in, what you say ! Perfect photos, for commercial use, and such.

Now, I have been thinking myself: What, if they want to use my photos (ok the good ones hehe) for commercial use, and make money with my photos...

My conclusion is:

It's a trade: I have a platform, where I can upload as many photos as I want, share with a wide community of people and keep social contacts, as well (of whom few became good friends, btw.!!) I don't have to fiddle around with the technical stuff, the layout.

All that, I get here - for free, I don't have to do anything. It's something I receive.

On the other hand, if it's a trade, and they instead - want to use photos commercially, this totally un-dependent on what others here say, I'd agree, and say - yes, it's a fair trade.

Now, there must be a reason, why many of the people who complain, still come here, and upload photos, and contribute ? Is it perhaps, that after all, this here is far much easier, than starting up an own website, and do all the fuzz yourself ?

Just my thoughts  ;)


Title: Re: 1 Million Photos
Post by: Peter S. aus N on December 12, 2010, 11:38:38 pm
Dear Cornelia,

why went top posteres such as HansE and others away? The site lost in the last short time a lot of social contacts and friends. They were all people on the hot spots of shipspotting and they were all peope which were a long time with us. Yes every day we have new friends but no one of them upload 5 and more fotos - good ones- a day like they did.
The new site is only to collect our fotos you have no chance to see fotos from others easyly. You have to search by your ownn.
We know each other very good but on this point we are total opositional- I want to konw what with my pictures happens, I want to see my name on my fotos for copyright and I can share the benefit for one of my fotos with this site but I don't want not to donate all and now the main reason I want to upload fotos - and here I will decide if it is worth and what is a good foto and not otherdirected by admins which not have a clue- this is not against you but for some others!!!!!
See you at the next trip there we can discuss more.
Xylad-Peter


Title: Re: 1 Million Photos
Post by: BobS on December 13, 2010, 02:11:25 am
This site, very unfortunately, has fallen victim to its own success.
It just got too big  . .  . to the point that it could no longer be the ‘cosy community’ that it was a couple of years ago.
Even before I met him at the gathering in Rotterdam in 2008, I had my suspicions about our erst while owner, Tomas and his motives. These suspicions were borne out when he “sold us down the river” (it was his site so he was perfectly entitled to do so) to a plane-spotters’ outfit (who would only just-about know that a ship’s sharp-end is usually at the front).
I spent a very  enjoyable and (to me) satisfying few months as an admin on this site but found that under the Tomas regime I, as an Admin, wasn’t allowed to express any opinions in the Forums. Therefore exit me!
The site just kept on growing, and so did the need for people to run it, ie : the Admins.
I am sorry to say but, in my view, among the intake of new Admins, we have picked up a few zealots and megalomaniacs so I am pleased to read that there is to be a ‘lightening-up’ in the ‘deletions’ policy.
Admins may feel free to censor these final paragraphs (I won’t complain):
Mr Stilling needs to put his own house in order before he passes ANY comment on the problems of this one. And he also ought to put his shirt on: otherwise people might think him gay/exhibitionist/both or just plain daft!
His site is a joke and an insult to ship enthusiasts world-wide!
I now look forward to being banned from it. (In fact I would rather like to be dissociated from it!)


Title: Re: 1 Million Photos
Post by: Sinisa Aljinovic on December 13, 2010, 08:10:44 am
It is really strange that some  members are off due to site design.Me too, don't like just one photo of last upload on home page.I would rather like to see for example 6 small thumbnails than this but should I leave because my dislike or...
What I have noticed long ago that a few members have gone mostlikely due to missing Top List posters list.No one can see them and what is point of doing this! Who cares for quality,poor weather conditions when shooting,distant subjects,backlighting......fishing boats of 3 meters long etc... :'(


Title: Re: 1 Million Photos
Post by: carimar on December 13, 2010, 09:13:52 am
Frankly spoken, i do not like the new design of the front page, right now, especilly the 3 photos of the most viewed today, are not helpfully to the visitors. on the old design could immediatedly see fresh uploaded pic's.
from my side it will be always a great loss to our shiplover community, to loose members and their photographs on this site, especially like Marie-Ann, HansE, Haroship & others. for me it was also a great loss that shipspotting has lost, loop101 from shanghai (he told me the reason). asian shipphotographers are of course very rare.
sometimes i could also not understand, why a picture has to be deleted too, because the having been good in my oppinion. hopefully the admins could find solutions, not to get lost any more members. it should be a website in which shiplovers could meet friends & and share their passion.



Title: Re: 1 Million Photos
Post by: Richard Paton on December 13, 2010, 10:14:07 am
Hi All,

Well here's my take on things on here...

Firstly i think this site has lost it's core values, in some ways it has become overly complicated and cluttered.

A hobby site with photos, a forum, and contact details is all people want, nothing flash and fancy. I think back to when i joined that's how it was, obviously the site has expanded since then but it does have the feel now of being detached from it's most important provider US!

You have to do so many more clicks to get where you want to go now, and as above i think the "top photos" in the last 24 hours HAS to go as it's just plain stupid. Lets have a live feed of new photos up there with working links to the photographers concerned.

The layout of the old site was great so why the need to change it? If something was working fine why tinker with it? Could the old familiar layout not return to the new front page - this would help keep things easy for everybody concerned?

Random photo of the day works on say private blogs but for a site like this, and to be honest it's a bit of a waste of space, give that the heave ho too.

If i remember i read a new front page is being planned so i hope consideration is given to the above points, and that we get back to basics somewhat as that may help the general atmosphere brighten somewhat!

I have met many friends on here and will continue to post when and if i can as sharing is a two way thing, but something is not right somewhere here.

I'm so gutted the likes of HansE has decided to move his photos out as they were of fantastic clarity and a joy to few, and a worrying development if we start losing people like this.

Cheers
Richard



Title: Re: 1 Million Photos
Post by: Christian Bråthen on December 13, 2010, 12:42:02 pm
My approach to the shipspotting.com site is as follows; I want to look at pictures of ships from around the world. I like to look at the ships from various angles and the details of the ships. It's fun to "follow" ships throughout their life (i.e. change of ownership, colour schemes, change of funnel marks etc.). So I think it's unfortunate when pictures displaying only parts of ships are deleted. I also think it's unfortunate when pictures of a funnel is deleted because that spesific funnel mark already exists on the site; a funnel is different from ship to ship (of course not 100% true since some ships are built in series).
I feel that the shipspotting.com site has moved into a, as some already has mentioned, commercial way. And I think it's unfortunate.
It's been a long time since I have uploaded any pictures. There are several reasons for that (I'm at sea six months a year for one), but maybe the number one reason is that I'm not sure if I want to participate any more because of what I just wrote above.
I think it's correct to delete poor quality pictures. But my opinion is that it has gone to far. Just because the horizon is not 100 % level don't mean that the picture is poor. Again, I also think that pictures of parts of a ship is okay to keep on the site, because it's interesting to look at the details. Every ship is different.
As for the layout of the new site; I think it looks good. But I also would like to see more of the resent uploads on the front page. The "most viewed" section is of no interest for me.

Christian!


Title: Re: 1 Million Photos
Post by: BobS on December 13, 2010, 02:24:23 pm
Mr Stilling:

SO pleased to note that you took my advice about putting your shirt back on.

Now I wonder if I could ask a couple of favours from you.
Do you think you could stop sending me these infantile e-mails I keep getting from your silly web-site and then remove my name from your site's members list. I have never contributed anything to it think and it highly unlikely that I would ever wish to do so! I think it is rubbish and never will be a serious competitor to this one (notwithstanding the faults of this site).

You would be better employed tending to your own site than sticking your oar in and stirring things up here.
 ;D

Glædelig jul

Bob


Title: Re: 1 Million Photos
Post by: Cornelia Klier on December 13, 2010, 03:53:18 pm
I will try and reply to a few points made in the preceding posts.

Klaus would like us to get rid of the "stars" and other ranking titles.
This was inherited from the old site and never once was a problem before.
I think members would like to know who they were conversing with if it was a member of the admin team. Before members were critical when admins were anonymous.

So what now then a suggestion please Klaus, and obviously more opinions from others on this subject as changes can be made but not at the bequest of just one individual.

To answer some of Richard's concerns, the old platform was perhaps simpler but left no room
for development. The software architecture was old and open source with no support from the originator as it was bought as a "package".
Things had to change and the new owner has a vision for constant improvements.
These will be driven in some respects by the membership so keep suggestions coming and let us know your dislikes. To ensure this is seen I will link the new owner to this forum post.
Be aware that the admin team run the site with no interference from the owner who is happy
to let us run his investment. Where else you would find this on the net I do not know but would guess it to be rare.


best regards
Derek



Derek,

 

regarding stars and such: For me, they have always been a good thing, because they did show me, as a newbie, who is an experienced member with some extra-duties, whom I could ask. I had many question to ask, and I did not always agree with what was said, and such.

But, in general - the stars are o. k., if there are more than one unsatisfied member, who for some not logic reason, feels disturbed by stars, it is of cuorse an option to use things like "senior member" or something like that. I am sure there are ways.



Regarding complicated site: I agree on this, it used to be simplier. Programmers have to keep in mind something called "Usability".  Links, and ways to search things should be self-explaining, easier to access, un-needed things better left away. If there are many who do not like "top photos of 24 hours" (I also don't like them), remove them, and if folks like, keep there three last photos during last half hour (or whatsoever).



You know, things can always be better. That's with most things really. But after I have seen the cluttered and too flashy and very much in distorder design of MyShipPassion site, I am happy that here it is not far as bad, as well with flashy commercials and the likes. A good example for, that things can not only always be better, but an evidence, that they could always be worse as well !  ;D


Title: Re: 1 Million Photos
Post by: Stan Muller on December 13, 2010, 07:49:58 pm
I like to react to what is happening;
1) quality is a issue that is brought up many times. Unfortunately some admins live up to the rules to strickt and on the other hand they tolerate rubbish...
2) Instead of listening to members, there are always endless discussions, I even often read "only X members complain, so the rest is okay with it". Well here is a suprise, even not complaining members are deleting their photos.
3) This site would be improved when migrated. Well start improving!!! Why wining? Listen to the members and do it!
4) I seriously considered to cancel my memebership and take my photos to a new website. unfortunately the owner of that site behaves very childish in this forum, so no option for me anymore.
5) remember the quality photos of Walsoorden, HansE, Haroship, Steve Elwood...and there are more to come.

please make up your minds and fix this site.

best regards


Title: Re: 1 Million Photos
Post by: Kelvin Davies on December 13, 2010, 07:57:58 pm
Hmmm!
This really is descending into something like a fight between a couple of the bad girls at school; you know, a lot of hair pulling and insult swapping.
The deletions issue is and always has been the biggest bone of contention on this site.
I said a long time ago that we shouldn't have sleepless nights over whether or not a photograph is somewhere between poor and total rubbish.
When we browse or search for photos, we are presented with a series of thumbnails of approx 200 x 200 pixels. If one of those thumbnails look awful, we skip over them and view the better quality ones.
How easy is that!
Having umpteen pages of rules and regulations on what you can and can not post, how the photograph must look or is composed etc is asking for trouble.
If poor quality photos are posted, they get ignored and fade into obscurity.
Alternatively, if other users post appropriate, non-insulting, comments on the photo, the poster will eventually get the idea.
Similarly, the issue of watermarks falls into this area. Why should I worry if someone wants his photo to carry his mark?
I imagine most posters have this thought in mind when they post a photo; "Here is my picture of .....I hope you like it". If we do like the image of a ship, we should feel free to say so, without sniping about watermarks etc.
Unfortunately, in the past when the issue of deletions has been raised, it has generally resulted in some (certainly not all) admins getting defensive and reacting as if it is a personal attack on the admins.
The result now seems to be that those who have raised this issue in the past are now known as a clique, generally referred to as "those who complain" etc. I think it is now becoming apparent that "those who complain" have become something more than a little clique.
I have been referred to by a previous admin as being part of the "Solent Mafia"! No offence taken, Bob. In fact I thought it funny.
In summary, on the deletions part anyway; drop the deletions thing entirely and allow the site to find its own level of quality. It might take a while to happen naturally but at least there would be less of this topic taking up bandwidth!

As for the site layout etc; be fair to the admins now. They did ask, many times, for ideas, thoughts on what to include etc and the beta version of the site was open to all to review and comment upon. If we didn't take that opportunity, we have nobody to blame but ourselves.
The time for complaining has gone. I am sure the admins would be open to ideas for improvements, submitted in a respectful manner but not when they come in strident demands.

Finally, re Ken. I don't think he looks like a brigadier at all. More like a Corporal!

Kelvin


Title: Re: 1 Million Photos
Post by: Ron on December 13, 2010, 08:15:49 pm
I`m deleting my garbage............ ;)


Title: Re: 1 Million Photos
Post by: Ron on December 13, 2010, 08:26:30 pm
-5000 is not a Million Derek ;D


Title: Re: 1 Million Photos
Post by: Ron on December 13, 2010, 08:35:52 pm
Full ships only Derek otherwise they are deleted :P


Title: Re: 1 Million Photos
Post by: Tony des Landes on December 13, 2010, 08:41:20 pm
Does that mean that if they are empty they will be deleted   :)


Title: Re: 1 Million Photos
Post by: Cornelia Klier on December 13, 2010, 08:45:14 pm
Hm... makes me wonder what will happen with all the containerships(photos) which's superstructure is obstructed by containers ? Off to the virtual scrapyard ?  :o :o


Title: Re: 1 Million Photos
Post by: Ron on December 13, 2010, 08:53:27 pm
http://i55.tinypic.com/mta2io.jpg



Title: Re: 1 Million Photos
Post by: Cody Williams on December 14, 2010, 11:55:08 am
Quote
Is it possible, to have a kind of little program, that does allow us to have a personal friend list in our profile ? This would be very easy. It would be a nice thing, on weekend - look the friendlist, browse their photos. Such, could perhaps help, not to let the site get too un-personal.

Hi Cornelia,

We have a Buddy List which is kind of similar. You can add buddies by clicking 'add buddy' on the members profile.  :)

Kind Regards,
Cody


Title: Re: 1 Million Photos
Post by: Andreas Schlatterer on December 14, 2010, 12:42:31 pm
Hello

by reading this thread discussions was also started about the new site itself. As  members already said before we had enough time to give our suggestions so don´t blame the guys behind this new site. On the other hand I have to admit that I also are not really satisfied with the new design. Specially this "most viewed section" is for me nonsense, better show the last 5 pics.
It´s look like that it is a bit of competition which is actually not the intention of this site (I believe so).You need a sample.´My pics from the wreck of the "Azurra" and the bow of "Fiemme" they got real big interest but actually what is nice at this pic "Nothing" it´s just or may be interesting but they had been at the top of Most viewed section list which in my eyes was not worth it. For me it would be much more positiv to get a feedback for such a pic of the "New Giant" which I made during a Panama Canal transit but..... it looks like that most "viewers" are not really interested anymore in "normal ships".

and to end the discussion, I also see that the quality of pics is going down, it seems that quantity counts more. It´s a pity.

Best regards
capesize

P.A. I am able to live with deletions(even sometimes I do not understand at all the decision of the admins) so I will not delete my pics.


Title: Re: 1 Million Photos
Post by: proby on December 14, 2010, 04:45:19 pm
I`m gone.

Andrea (Proby)


Title: Re: 1 Million Photos
Post by: Henrik Soderberg on December 14, 2010, 05:23:07 pm
Hi,

The new features will promote diversity and quality in ways that never existed on the old site, and that doesn't exist (yet) on this new site. This will overcome some of the problems discussed in this thread.

Regards,
Henrik


Title: Re: 1 Million Photos
Post by: Tony des Landes on December 14, 2010, 06:55:35 pm
This is humor,   

Everytime I see Ken Smith i get a shock.He looks like a brigadeer general from the second world war!
People are afraid of You and all of Your titles!

I for one aren't afraid of Ken or anyone on this site. In fact I have the greatest of admiration for Ken and all the volunteers who put so much effort into this site and helped make it what it is.

I'd be interested to know why this gentleman is under the impression we are afraid.


Title: Re: 1 Million Photos
Post by: Robert J Smith on December 14, 2010, 07:05:52 pm
I told You, I would be back!


I am talking to the ShipSpotting.Com concept and not a single person!

Well, I will try and reply a few points to make this a better place to be:

1: Lighten a bit up ShipSpotting.Com according to Your photograph politics / You have done that :-)

2: Get rid of the stars and titles / Why not try something new again and get rid of the stars and titles which is as You say from the old sites time.You can easily be an Admin of this and that and be a TopPoster with out showing it on the surface.Is it really necessary for You to have Your titles and stars?

3: Remove threads and comments in the forum which offends or insults people in general.By offends and insults means.Insults and offends in general / You have`nt done that yet..But it can maybe give You a more harmonic and freindly place to be!




It is okay to have and show humor.There is nothing wrong with that.If You give humor You have to allow humor against Yourself to.

But there is a difference between humor and insults.!

To show You the difference here is an example from this thread:


This is humor,   

Everytime I see Ken Smith i get a shock.He looks like a brigadeer general from the second world war!
People are afraid of You and all of Your titles!



These are insults,   Not only against me but many people in general!

Hehe, yes, its falling sharply, better alert cnn. Start behaving like an adult and dont attack people for how they look, how goddamn stupid are you, really?
I aint pleased with how this site is developing either, but trolling like you are doing here...
Well, feel free to make a fool of  youself even more, i dont care.

Mr Stilling needs to put his own house in order before he passes ANY comment on the problems of this one. And he also ought to put his shirt on: otherwise people might think him gay/exhibitionist/both or just plain daft!
His site is a joke and an insult to ship enthusiasts world-wide!
I now look forward to being banned from it. (In fact I would rather like to be dissociated from it!)



Well, Do You get the picture?


Best regards


Klaus





WHAT is up with this guy?

He's like television, repeat, repeat, repeat...

Bob  >:(


Title: Re: 1 Million Photos
Post by: davidships on December 14, 2010, 07:17:21 pm
Santa Klaus comes once a year and is much appreciated by all.

Our Klaus seems to need to repeat himself at length daily.  Please restrain yourself until you have something new (and interesting) to add.  I think we have heard your point of view.

David


Title: Re: 1 Million Photos
Post by: Cornelia Klier on December 14, 2010, 07:37:41 pm
Hello Klaus,

I think, you need some cheer up, or "lighten up" as you have said in your ever repetitive post  ;D

1. Try this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pefRCQrQA-g

2. Imagine, the stars which disturb you so much, were flowers or little rainbows.

Any better ??  ;)

At least, this is something for me, and the shipspotting. Not just a photo uploaded, but also together with the photo, some nice days or nice voyage remembered. Of course you can also try, and book a trip on a cargoship, it's even more relaxing and no cold feet in winter hehe..

OK, then last thing, try this:

Take warm clothes, take your car, take a train, and go to some nice shipspotting-location. Spend a day taking photos of ships, enjoy getting back into the warm apartment in the evening, and upload the photos on a site of your choice.

Now, I am sure, this would help !  :P


Title: Re: 1 Million Photos
Post by: Henrik Soderberg on December 14, 2010, 07:50:55 pm
Hi,

Just a short note on the stars. It's a feature included in the forum software we use. By color you can see if someone has an administrative role on the site easier. It's also a hint for both forum moderators, members and visitors for how active a person is in the forum. We can easily spot a new user with a bad post (like spam), and get rid of it. 

Regards,
Henrik


Title: Re: 1 Million Photos
Post by: Ron on December 14, 2010, 08:06:54 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOdjCb4LwQY


Title: Re: 1 Million Photos
Post by: Hannes van Rijn on December 14, 2010, 08:21:47 pm
Hi Cornelia.

I totally agree with you suggestion.Go outside,enjoy the day and make some great ships pictures.
Upload them , on the side you like.

Rgds:Hannes.







Title: Re: 1 Million Photos
Post by: Hannes van Rijn on December 14, 2010, 08:32:27 pm
Hoi Ron.

Waar gaat het om.Door al dat gezeik,(discuseren) verliezen we de reden waarom het gaat uit het oog.(Waarom loop de site leeg)Daar ging het toch om.Die mafkees van een Klaus moet je met een korreltje zout nemen.Al dat gelul wordt een gebed zonder einde.Ik ga maar eens uploaden.

Gr:Hannes.


Title: Re: 1 Million Photos
Post by: Cornelia Klier on December 14, 2010, 08:41:48 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOdjCb4LwQY

Thanks for bringing my attention on this series  ;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ly3Ew3wQ4PA&NR=1 Like this one even better  ;D

Nice memories, from last voyage in November, Shipspotting without getting cold feet !

(http://i51.tinypic.com/f3w3m8.jpg)


Title: Re: 1 Million Photos
Post by: Stan Muller on December 14, 2010, 09:26:14 pm
Good points mentioned above.
Uploading photos is more than just figures. Every photo is a nice memory.
Unfortunately Ron is the next to take his photos off the site. And worst of all, a lot of his photos are a memory to me too.

I hope things will change for the better. In that case I will start uploading again. First I have to shoot some nice memories and find some improvements on this site.

Perhaps people stop stirring things up here and get back to where we came from. Sharing good photos and finding nice contacts.

rgds Stan


Title: Re: 1 Million Photos
Post by: Ron on December 14, 2010, 09:32:21 pm
Hallo Hannes.

Naar Klaus zou ik ook niet gaan............wat een drammer.

En ja, jammer dat er ook veel mensen mee gaan stoppen maar als ik het goed begrijp hebben sommige "admins" er geen moeite mee dat er een leegloop is. Komt over van: voor jou 10 anderen.
Kijk bv naar de namen die Stan heeft genoemd.
Die mensen zijn ook niet voor niks weggegaan denk ik.

Maar goed ik heb er even mijn buik van vol en ga het rustig aandoen.

Groeten Ron


Title: Re: 1 Million Photos
Post by: E. Vroom on December 15, 2010, 09:11:51 am
For what it’s worth, my thoughts on this;
about deletions:

As I wondered before, what’s this site about?

Showing members sightings of ships at a certain date and place in any part of the world under what ever circomstance that may be…

or

A photographic site showing perfect pictures of ships in the best light available taken with the highest resolution possible, preferably only showing the ship itself and nothing else…
I always believed it was something in between both but primairally the first, the “spotting”
of the ships.

Why else would one bother to upload another photograph of a ship that already excists in the database of the site?

At present however, i feel that the balance of the scale is going just the opposite way, in favour of keeping just the perfect photgraphs of preferably just the ship itself.

I feel, this way the site will turn out to be a boring site in the end.

What’s the use of posting a photo of a ship showing just the ship and next to state that it has been spotted in a certain place and time when you can’t make out what that place looks like or the climate looks like or the port it’s in looks like.

Port installations sometimes obstruct the view to the ship, hence the photos are deleted. In this way deleting the the story how port facilities look like in a particular port and what methods of loading/discharging are used.

A hazy photo of a ship at sea get’s deleted because it’s not a perfect picture. Along with it goes the perfect registration of the ship being somewhere and how the conditions were at that time.

Same goes for photos taken in warm countries where you can see the air moving, result the picture is not sharp and gets deleted. However it was a perfect registration of how the ship looked like in that particular place.

Anyone can think of more examples. Funny thing is that the storm pics are most populair, often showing just parts of a ship as result of the natural circomstances the ship is in at that time. We do keep those?!

So here’s a call to the admins. We do apreciate your hard work, but please keep things in perspective. Maybe it will save you some time as well.  After all it’s just a hobby for all of us, so let’s not get too professional.

about the new site:

At points I think the site has improved. We have had the chance to react and some of us did.

What lacks, is communication. However Henrik Soderberg is put in placet to improve on this, an overview of what’s going on behind the scene is greatly missed.

What ideas have been suggested by members? Which of those will or can be implemented and which not? What’s the priority order of the imlpementations? If any way possible give us an estimated timeline.

Motivate why things can or can’t be done will help us understand. If you layout the plan we know what to expect, and we’ll refrain from complaining.

If you have any difficulty ask our help or opinion.

So now back to uploading again I’m way behind……..

Merry Christmas everyone, let’s see what miracles can be done to improve the site next year….



Title: Re: 1 Million Photos
Post by: Hannes van Rijn on December 15, 2010, 10:04:45 am
Hi Ed.

Nice spoken Ed.
It is a nice Christmas thought.
Also Merry Christmas and a Happy 2011 

Rgds:Hannes.


Title: Re: 1 Million Photos
Post by: Christian Bråthen on December 15, 2010, 10:05:12 am
For what it’s worth, my thoughts on this;
about deletions:

As I wondered before, what’s this site about?

Showing members sightings of ships at a certain date and place in any part of the world under what ever circomstance that may be…

or

A photographic site showing perfect pictures of ships in the best light available taken with the highest resolution possible, preferably only showing the ship itself and nothing else…
I always believed it was something in between both but primairally the first, the “spotting”
of the ships.

Why else would one bother to upload another photograph of a ship that already excists in the database of the site?

At present however, i feel that the balance of the scale is going just the opposite way, in favour of keeping just the perfect photgraphs of preferably just the ship itself.

I feel, this way the site will turn out to be a boring site in the end.

What’s the use of posting a photo of a ship showing just the ship and next to state that it has been spotted in a certain place and time when you can’t make out what that place looks like or the climate looks like or the port it’s in looks like.

Port installations sometimes obstruct the view to the ship, hence the photos are deleted. In this way deleting the the story how port facilities look like in a particular port and what methods of loading/discharging are used.

A hazy photo of a ship at sea get’s deleted because it’s not a perfect picture. Along with it goes the perfect registration of the ship being somewhere and how the conditions were at that time.

Same goes for photos taken in warm countries where you can see the air moving, result the picture is not sharp and gets deleted. However it was a perfect registration of how the ship looked like in that particular place.

Anyone can think of more examples. Funny thing is that the storm pics are most populair, often showing just parts of a ship as result of the natural circomstances the ship is in at that time. We do keep those?!

So here’s a call to the admins. We do apreciate your hard work, but please keep things in perspective. Maybe it will save you some time as well.  After all it’s just a hobby for all of us, so let’s not get too professional.

about the new site:

At points I think the site has improved. We have had the chance to react and some of us did.

What lacks, is communication. However Henrik Soderberg is put in placet to improve on this, an overview of what’s going on behind the scene is greatly missed.

What ideas have been suggested by members? Which of those will or can be implemented and which not? What’s the priority order of the imlpementations? If any way possible give us an estimated timeline.

Motivate why things can or can’t be done will help us understand. If you layout the plan we know what to expect, and we’ll refrain from complaining.

If you have any difficulty ask our help or opinion.

So now back to uploading again I’m way behind……..

Merry Christmas everyone, let’s see what miracles can be done to improve the site next year….




I agree 100 % to this post!


Title: Re: 1 Million Photos
Post by: victor radio74 on December 15, 2010, 10:22:15 am
I adhere to E.Vroom opinion.My English is hard but he has expressed exactly my view of the site.One more thing: for me it is copmpletely unacceptable that the "photos considered for deletion" category is only available for administrators.This is a kind of inquisition.Everybody must respond in public by his acts
Merry Christmas from Spain


Title: Re: 1 Million Photos
Post by: Gerolf Drebes on December 15, 2010, 08:44:09 pm
Hi all,
I was not follwing the forums during the last weeks because of lack of time.
Let me just give my thoughts as one of the oldest members on this site (since 6 Years) about the whole discussion.
The site was first a sort of hobby site of Thomas Pinas with only a few 100 of photos on it, when I discovered it in mid 2004. It was besides a few others the only site, where everyone could post its own photos just for fun. As I had not time to create my own homepage I just started to to post my photos. During the next years lots of other shiplovers got attracted by this site and it grew by members and photos. Some silly guys posted really rubbish, anything, but not a ship photos. For this the admin team was born. During a long time Derek Sands, whom I really can call a good friend was managing the admin team. He has the real spirit to create a balance inbetween rules and chaos and always was friendly. But with a rising always a change is coming. And the more people stick in some way together the bigger are the possible communication problems. There are always guys who wants to show theirselves and making rumours or create discussion. So it became more and more impossible to get an agreement on things. There were hardliners, who wanted to restrict the site to only the best quality photos and there were others who wanted to allow everything. The middle way to make everyone happy was impossible and will it be forever. But Derek and his team tried it (voluntarly) as best as they could. For this I joined the admin team in 2009. And I am doing everything besides a hard work in a larger company.
I did not like the change of the "site sponsors" and the way Thomas "sold" the site. But I still liked the site with all its possibilities and all the friends I have found and met during all those years. For this I stayed and will stay with that site. Not everything is Ok on this site (it cannot be as we are too many members with too different opinions), E.g. I also would have liked the considered for deletion category be rested in the public. But still the site is very attractive for me, much more attractive than others sites like this one of Klaus e.g. who is making with every post publicity for his site (why he needs on every message a comment, that someone should join his site?).
But this site is still the site of the shipsotting members, first of all of the active members, who contribute in photos, thoughts and informations about shipping, despite a sponsor, who is using the site, supporting his products.
And I do not see any reason to leave the site because a few things I do not like on the site.
I hope many of you fell like me, which should not prevent us from discussing friendly, how we can improve with the site. You always can improve.
Have a nice an peaceful Christmas time
Gerolf


Title: Re: 1 Million Photos
Post by: Fred Vloo on December 15, 2010, 10:37:02 pm
Well you have a funny way of making friends.

Have fun
Fred


Title: Re: 1 Million Photos
Post by: Captain Ted on December 16, 2010, 12:12:33 am
HI ALL

WHAT IS THE FUZZ ABOUT.
GUIDELINES HAVE TO BE, WITHOUT THIS AND ALSO OTHER SITE WILL BE FILLED WITH CRAP.
THE PICTURES DO NOT HAVE TO BE PERFECT BUT A LEAST THE VESSEL WOULD HAVE TO BE IN IT
AND MOST UNOBSTRUCTED.
I AM HERE BECAUSE CAPT PETER MY CAPT-COLLEGUE BROUGHT THIS SITE TO MY ATTENTION AND SINCE THEN I UPLOADED ABOUT 8000 PICTURES. SOMETIMES IT AGGREVATES WHEN ADM,S DELETE A PICTURE,
BUT THEN, IF YOU HAVE A FEW 1000 IT REALLY MATTERS ON ONE DELETED ?????
I THINK NO, OF COURSE THE OPINIONS DIFER, BUT I STAY AS FAR AS I CAN SEE IT. I MET
A WHOLE BUNCH OF PEOPLES THROUGH IT LIKE DEREK,PHIL, CLYDE, GEROLF AND CORNELIA WHO HELPED ALWAYS WHEN THEY COULD. ALSO I WILL MEET SOONER OR LATER A FEW GUYS IN SANTOS, BRAZIL (RODEIRO AND PILOT GUSTAVO) ONCE I GET THERE WITH THE VESSEL I SAIL AS MASTER. ALSO TO MENTION FROM MY SIDE YVON IN FORT DE FRANCE. SO ALL OVER THE SITE IS A GOOD THING AND GOOD THINGS COME/CAME OUT OF IT. DO I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING,,,NO WAY,,ASK CLYDE HE CAN ATTEST, BUT OVERALL THE SITE IS FINE TO ME

MERRY CHRISTMAS AND A HAPPY 2011 TO ALL

BRGDS
CAPT TED 


Title: Re: 1 Million Photos
Post by: Henrik Soderberg on December 16, 2010, 02:13:45 am
Hi,

Just an answer to this one...

What lacks, is communication. However Henrik Soderberg is put in placet to improve on this, an overview of what’s going on behind the scene is greatly missed.

We're working hard here, but it takes time to make things visible. As we had to be able to synchronize the old site with the new, many parts of the old data structure had to be kept. It's only after the move to the new site we can start changing fundamental things for real.

The list of wishes is really long and compiled from visitors, photographers, admins and everyone else that in any way are involved with the site. Focus is currently on preserving and make use of the data already existing, mainly photos, and make room for new changes and new features faster.

We're just about to standardize all photos, and I'm currently re-working all backup routines to not halt/slow the site for several days backing up all the new changes. It's quite some extra terabytes of data to handle. All bigger sites struggle with problems like these, but few do the big amount of changes we do here.

Suggestions in this forum are always looked at, and inserted in our to-do list for consideration and determination of the priority it should have compared to everything else.

Regards,
Henrik


Title: Re: 1 Million Photos
Post by: E. Vroom on December 16, 2010, 11:03:34 am
Hi Henrik,

thanks for the update.However a layout of the plan/priority list would be nice.
As I said i believe it will keep us from complaining on whenever this or that will be "finally" implemented.
I'm aware you're doing a tramendous job, but maybe that's just me.
For sure when step one is delaied, so will be the next.
Keeping us posted more frequently will save a lot of frustration and keep people with us.

Thanks again,

Ed


Title: Re: 1 Million Photos
Post by: Henrik Soderberg on December 16, 2010, 11:28:32 am
Hi,

The software for managing the list would need an upgrade as well to be useful. ;) Right now we know the priorities, as some fundamental things have higher priorities than anything else.

I think I can safely say that most things discussed in the forum (that hasn't yet been fixed) is in the top half of the list.

Regards,
Henrik


Title: Re: 1 Million Photos
Post by: Dave van Spronsen on December 16, 2010, 02:16:24 pm
Hi All,

I like this discussion about the Admins and Delethings,
Reading this discussion
Some peolple said Admins remove more Garbage (too much garbage on this website)
Some people said delete not all pictures that not go with the site standaards,
I have seen the picture of COKL of the Aurora,really good picture, why should we deleted this photo ?? See no reason why,
About the Rijnborg of Miraflores should be always stays on this website almost perfectly.
If i looked on other website
I see people uploaded Half ships,painting of ships,to much siloutte, copyright pictures.
Is this what we want,I think not.
I think that sort picture are need to be deleted on this website.

Regards,

Dave


Title: Re: 1 Million Photos
Post by: Richard Paton on December 18, 2010, 07:26:49 pm
Hi,

Not so long ago the site was celebrating reaching a million photos - however with the current rate of deletions i think we'll soon be below that figure shortly which is sad.... :(

My question is what is the official site answer to this decline in people keeping their photos on here?

Cheers
Richard


Title: Re: 1 Million Photos
Post by: Captain Ted on December 18, 2010, 11:23:52 pm
hi richard

personal I think it is just that some people want to have more say and that of ocurse
is very difficult to regualte.
Most people who delted are also poeples who had alot pictures and were long time already
active on this site. Now a new owner changed things and new things always looked at
skeptical in the beginning. I also wasn,t real happy about the site and still have a few issues, but in general I think they try to please all, which is impossible to begin with.

To give the mambers more say or influence, How one will do that ?
the one who uploads a lot has a bigger say,,or who is longer a member ?
Perhaps who loaded the most up in a certain time frame  or who has the best pictures
But then, who decides what type is the best or which one is the best ?
I personal loaded up about 8000 plus pictures in just a little more than 2 years.
Some were deleted, that happens, but 99% plus are still there.
The other point which I believe is that this site got too big and too popular and as
always with success comes also a certain kind of demise. The site is still for my part the best one I know, I checked out a few others and did not like them.
So, how much picture are on this site does not really matter. For my part they give me a easy and free account where I can share my pictures and see pictures of others. also one gets to know a lot of different peoples from different countries, so I would say all in all
it is worthwhile to stick around.

brgds
capt ted


Title: Re: 1 Million Photos
Post by: Robert Smith on December 18, 2010, 11:54:19 pm
As a member since 2005 I've also seen the changes to the site. But I totally agree with Gerolf. The basic idea of a website like this one is to share pictures with others and stay in touch with people who share the same hobby. Stay on board if you like it and jump ship if you don't. But stop nagging. It's as simple as that.

Brgds,
Robert.

 



Title: Re: 1 Million Photos
Post by: miraflores on December 19, 2010, 11:43:22 am
The 1 million mark was reached again, steadily decreasing, and I am proud to be part of the downward trend.

http://i56.tinypic.com/15x0phd.jpg


Title: Re: 1 Million Photos
Post by: Cornelia Klier on December 19, 2010, 11:49:37 am
Yes, you are right, after all, the motto of this site is posting quality, not quantity !!!

As well I think:

Everlasting growth is never only good !!!

Not in economy, not in shipping, not in sites like this, and not in many other matters.

So, I think it is important now, to move forward, post quality, and not quantity and otherwise, enjoy and share photos with our fellow shipspotters !

Some members have been worrying, that this site does get too big and too unpersonal. So, this might perhaps be a new direction to move ? We will see, it will depend on, what everyone makes of this site  ;D



Title: Re: 1 Million Photos
Post by: owen connolly on December 19, 2010, 12:18:19 pm
Being a quiet member here for sometime, and also an unregistered user for some time before that I just want to say what attracted me to the site so much. While Clipper Point was under construction in Spain images of the build where almost immediately avaliable on the site, if ever a an unrecognisable vessel appeared on port arrivals I could be guranteed that at least one image would appear on here. Whereas I do believe there have to be certain standards to images I also believe the quantity does help.


Title: Re: 1 Million Photos
Post by: miraflores on December 19, 2010, 02:45:30 pm
When the admin team started to delete some of my awful fotos I decided to assist them.
This job was done now, all 8600 I once uploaded fotos from the Kiel Canal have been deleted.
I have all this fotos on my private homepage, where I am the admin and where I can decide whether a ship is obstructed by trees or not.

Regards
Juergen


Title: Re: 1 Million Photos
Post by: BobS on December 19, 2010, 02:47:57 pm
The total of 1,000,000 photos on the site is (or, rather, was) quite a milestone.
However, the number of ships featured in these photographs is/was a tiny fraction of that million. The policy of allowing members to post up to six photos of the same ship at the same time (a policy which most of the so-called “top-posters” have exploited to the full) ensures that this is so.
Add to that the number of people adding photos of ships which have already been featured hundreds of times before and the proportion of featured ships to the number of photos on the site must be quite miniscule.
It is right that there should be this uprising among the members about the interpretation and implementation by a few over-zealous Admins of the rules regarding site standards. One or two of their decisions have been downright crazy. Most deletions, though, are quite justified for their non-compliance with the site rules and some because the photos are just plain rubbish!
Those members who disagree so strongly with the way things are run should bear in mind that deleting thousands – or even tens-of thousands - of their photos in protest makes, in most cases, only a microscopic dent to the site’s coverage. There are so many photos on the site that the removal of a few thousand will go almost unnoticed by the average member and the site’s reputation as the number-one source of ship photographs will be unaffected.
Those members who need to satisfy their egos by deleting all their photographs from the site are perfectly entitled to do so but they should be aware that nobody really cares much or will even notice the difference!
In the meantime, we have been given assurances that the Admins are reviewing their deletions polices (and so they should!).
It would be nice to believe that as a result of this never-ending brou-ha-ha, not only will the Admins get totally reasonable but that members will - as Cornelia has said (quoting Tomas A-J’s motto) – “post quality, not quantity!”
I doubt that will happen completely but, in the meantime I think it’s time the whingeing and bellyaching stopped for a bit, until we see how much the Admins do respond to members’ complaints about deletions.


Title: Re: 1 Million Photos
Post by: Frank Behrends on December 19, 2010, 03:59:49 pm
Schade, Jürgen
Deine Entscheidung, es waren durchweg schöne Bilder.
Jetzt ist es aber auch Zeit, mit der Stänkerei aufzuhören
und jedes Bild, das wir zu `considered for deletion´ schicken zu kommentieren.
Wir hatten Dir unsere Gründe erläutert.

Tschüß


Title: Re: 1 Million Photos
Post by: Arnes on December 19, 2010, 07:53:01 pm
Klaus,
you have a really strange way to express yourself, I guess I am not the only one in here who is getting tired of your confusing posts.
Your two last posts says two different things, first you say that self expressions is a freedom everyone should enjoy.
In your next post you say that if moderators not delete many posts from various people, they will have an evil enemy in you. So much for your words about freedom of selfexpression. You must remember that self-expressions are not only photos, it is also written words.
You want a more democratic Shipspotting-site, but if moderators start deleting posts you don't like, what is democratic about that.
All this is about deleting, things have been deleted before, and then there has been a lot of complaints, normally from the same people over and over again. I'm afraid there would be a lot of screaming in here if they started removing posts from the forums.
But you want to start deleting posts from the forum, because you don't like them. What happened to your "Freedom of self-expressions"??


Title: Re: 1 Million Photos
Post by: Peter S. aus N on December 19, 2010, 08:28:25 pm
shut the account of Klaus Stilling Petersen.He is mad. Were are a shipspotting forum an not in a loony bin or a madhouse.
Xylad Peter


Title: Re: 1 Million Photos
Post by: Stan Muller on December 19, 2010, 08:52:05 pm
What are you up to Klaus?


Title: Re: 1 Million Photos
Post by: Ron on December 19, 2010, 09:07:00 pm
His site sucks ;D


Exuse the language.

But still deleting my garbage.


Title: Re: 1 Million Photos
Post by: Ron on December 19, 2010, 09:15:14 pm
I`m deleting my bad pictures (garbage) Derek. I have changed my mind.

Too much memories with my buddy.


Title: Re: 1 Million Photos
Post by: BobS on December 19, 2010, 09:18:55 pm
You know, folks? For the first time in my life I find the prospect of Christmas without Santa Klaus most appealing!


Title: Re: 1 Million Photos
Post by: Cornelia Klier on December 19, 2010, 09:24:03 pm
Do I hear here, the true spirit of shipspotting ? Simply get out, taking photos, choose a few good ones, and share them with fellow shipspotters on this site here ? Apart from all storms, this site here has seen, I think, that it's still a good one, with many nice people around, with whom I have got contact, not just by internet, but with some also in real life ! And never once an unpleasant experience :-)

(http://i55.tinypic.com/2edw7wi.jpg)

Picture is of course nothing for shipspotting.com but I simply liked that atmosphere, after one hard day shipspotting on both Kiel-Canal, and as well Weser and Bremerhaven, the evening was coming and the camera-card almost full hehe  ;D


Title: Re: 1 Million Photos
Post by: E. Vroom on December 20, 2010, 06:39:33 am
I wouldn't be surprised if this forum is most valued by psychologists for it's interactions .


Title: Re: 1 Million Photos
Post by: Fred Vloo on December 20, 2010, 09:03:43 am
@Ed, yeah, try and find the trolls.


Title: Re: 1 Million Photos
Post by: Stan Muller on December 20, 2010, 09:54:01 am
Ron is keeping his best photos on this site. I am still deleting my own photos which do not meet to my standards anymore, but will be starting uploading again also. So the first 50 are gone in the past weekend, after deleting over a 100 the last year. Another 100 will follow soon. I hope more members will do also, because there is a lot of rubbish here!

I trust Shipspotting.com to have learned from this topic. Changes have to be done.
I also am a bit addicted to this site, allthough it was much better in the past.
And well, lunaticts are in every society, even in this forum.
I wonder when we will see the first interesting post of Klaus. At least a nice photograph would be nice and far better than stirring things up.

the best holiday greeting!
Stan


Title: Re: 1 Million Photos
Post by: Fred Vloo on December 20, 2010, 10:16:06 am
Hi Stan,

Never feed the trolls.


Title: Re: 1 Million Photos
Post by: BobS on December 20, 2010, 07:23:09 pm
Before these latest members’ revolts against deletions started, this photo would certainly have been a candidate for deletion because of all the obstructions in the foreground, lack of IMO and no location/date info.
Had this been the first-ever photo of this Costa ship (whatever one it is because the submitter could not be bothered to say) then I might have been a little bit concerned - and in disagreement with the photo-admin’s decision - had it been deleted.
However, knowing that there are probably dozens, scores or or even hundreds of photos of this ship on the site, I am sure that, compared to many of the others, this one, with all that clutter and no info is not worth looking at.
So I would have had no objections to its deletion.
Neither, as it happens, would I have any objection in this particular case to the deletion of the photo’s submitter as well!


Title: Re: 1 Million Photos
Post by: Gerolf Drebes on December 20, 2010, 07:59:06 pm
Congrats to Jon and Stan !
To reduce your own rubbish is good for the site, and much better as to delete everything.
I wished I would have the time to do that with my photos.
Kind regards form frosty Bavaria
Gerolf


Title: Re: 1 Million Photos
Post by: Stan Muller on December 20, 2010, 08:59:01 pm
Hi Gerolf, it ain't the time, it is all about priority.
We will be back over 1 million photos, but hopefully we will fall back first because of members set the right priority first.

rgds Stan


Title: Re: 1 Million Photos
Post by: Tony des Landes on December 20, 2010, 10:08:50 pm

No, but You were happy that certain day, Derek


The great thing is that everyone will get a chance to be happy for a second time in a few days.


Title: Re: 1 Million Photos
Post by: Stan Muller on December 21, 2010, 06:51:30 pm
I am so glad that WE do have a hobby. WE is not a person, but Shipspotting in general  ;D


Title: Re: 1 Million Photos
Post by: Ron on December 24, 2010, 05:24:09 pm
Were past a million again folks..............


Title: Re: 1 Million Photos
Post by: Jens Boldt on December 24, 2010, 05:30:27 pm
I'm prepared to add to the next million! ;D


Title: Re: 1 Million Photos
Post by: Cornelia Klier on December 24, 2010, 06:36:23 pm
It seems, this is the little christmas-present which we all, gave to this website !

.... keep Spotting  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

I am especially happy now to see all these photos from Hamburg and around, with beautiful winter landscape and alot of ice ! Especially because at the moment I am not able to travel but preparing to move !