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Title: Robert Allan takes photos without permission of the author
Post by: Agustin Alapont Castilla (Tino) on February 14, 2010, 08:13:56 PM
http://www.ral.ca/designs/tugboats/rastar_class.html
http://www.shipspotting.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=825402
Photo SMBC MONTERREY
Title: Re: Robert Allan takes photos without permission of the author
Post by: Christian Br on February 14, 2010, 08:45:12 PM
Seems like they also manipulated the colours a bit...
Makes it kind of even worse...
Title: Re: Robert Allan takes photos without permission of the author
Post by: Hans & Simon Rosenkranz on February 14, 2010, 08:51:45 PM
Vancouver 2010:
New olympic disciplin: shameless photo stealing?

Hans
Title: Re: Robert Allan takes photos without permission of the author
Post by: Ian Thomas on February 14, 2010, 09:20:10 PM
Have informed a friend of mine regarding the photo of the Svitzer Lindsway at Milford Haven it could be one of his,

Ian Thomas
Title: Re: Robert Allan takes photos without permission of the author
Post by: Guest on February 14, 2010, 09:40:55 PM
Laughable when you see that the web site in question has its own copyright marking - Copyright
Title: Re: Robert Allan takes photos without permission of the author
Post by: Michael Martin on February 15, 2010, 01:21:26 AM
Yes, ironic because the tug was originally designed by that firm. It's also ironic to those of us who have ever worked on ship design. Every drawing has a copyright notice on it. I had to explain to the VP of marketing and contracts at the shipyard that he shouldn't be using photos without permission. At least he saw the light when he saw the potential legal liability. Robert Allen has a good reputation and this may be a case where the marketing people need some education. Hopefully, an email to their marketing crowd might help clear this up. Ironic also that I tried to get a job there 20 years ago (has it been THAT long?).
Title: Re: Robert Allan takes photos without permission of the author
Post by: Michael Martin on February 15, 2010, 03:51:08 AM
One quick question to Tino. Were you working for or on contract with Moran or SMBC when you took these sea trial photos? and did you happen to share your images with the shipyard in Valencia?

The only reason I ask is that it is not unusual for a client to allow shipyards, designers and other major project contributers(engine and/or gearbox manuf) information and image permissions for the purpose of advertising/marketing. This is why I always had to be careful taking images at the shipyard as my posting images might violate corporate agreements between the shipyard and the client. That's why I was always pretty vague and circumspect with my descriptions. In this case, Robert Allan, no doubt would have an agreement with the Valencia Shipyard and with Moran/SMBC. Also, the naval architects would most probably be present or accept reports and photos of on going sea trials.

Of course, Tino could have just taken the images from the vessel he happened to be in and therefore a quick email to Robert Allan is in order.
Title: Re: Robert Allan takes photos without permission of the author
Post by: Agustin Alapont Castilla (Tino) on February 15, 2010, 09:21:10 AM
I do not work for them,more of  two months that I send a mail to Robert Allan and not receipt answer
Regards
Tino
Title: Re: Robert Allan takes photos without permission of the author
Post by: Agustin Alapont Castilla (Tino) on February 15, 2010, 10:11:06 AM
Do not worry Derek, only I want that the people knows that I sent the mail and not receipt answer,If he had asked for permission me I give it to him without problems
Best regards
Tino
Title: Re: Robert Allan takes photos without permission of the author
Post by: Agustin Alapont Castilla (Tino) on February 15, 2010, 10:17:32 AM
Thanks very much Derek
Best regards
Tino
Title: Re: Robert Allan takes photos without permission of the author
Post by: Michael Martin on February 15, 2010, 10:03:46 PM
Sorry for your trouble, Tino. Like I said, Robert Allan does have a pretty good reputation and I think a proper email from Derek as the webmaster representing Shipspotting would be very helpful. Also, as we all know, Derek can be very diplomatic and I'm sure it could get settled with ruffling any feathers. At the very least, a proper accreditation of the image. It is obviously the same image but it seems to have been edited to have SMBC's colors added to the superstructure. The sea trial image clearly shows the topsides partially painted. So someone worked on it.
Title: Re: Robert Allan takes photos without permission of the author
Post by: Agustin Alapont Castilla (Tino) on February 19, 2010, 07:59:56 AM
No problem Michael,If they are happy like that, taking what is not yours,for them
Regards
Tino
Title: Re: Robert Allan takes photos without permission of the author
Post by: Agustin Alapont Castilla (Tino) on March 31, 2010, 06:32:17 AM
Ernst Schneider graphic designer at Robert Allan Ltd has sent a mail to my
for apologize
Title: Re: Robert Allan takes photos without permission of the author
Post by: Agustin Alapont Castilla (Tino) on April 05, 2010, 06:12:00 AM
Thanks Derek,by the moment I have not news over the recompense. :-)
Best regards
Tino