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Title: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: andeedob on June 26, 2008, 12:18:31 pm
From Hartlepool Mail Website:
ABLE UK - the firm behind the ghost ships - has been granted a waste management licence to dismantle the former US navy ships.Work could now start 'within weeks' following the announcement and bosses say it will attract more jobs and investment in the future.The waste management licence authorises the keeping, treating, or disposal of controlled waste and will allow the company to dismantle ships and marine structures including oil rigs at its facility in Graythorp.Peter Stephenson, chairman of Able UK, said: "I'm thankful, because it means that, within a matter of weeks, we can start work – creating jobs and expanding the local skills base in the process.Able UK have also been granted permission to import a French ship containing 700 tonnes of asbestos to Hartlepool by the Health and Safety Executive.The French ship Q790, formerly the Clemenceau, will now be dismantled at Able UK's Teesside Environmental Reclamation and Recycling Centre (TERRC).


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Nathan on June 26, 2008, 02:46:13 pm
Hi, thanks for that!

Finally, they have permisson!

I am looking forward to seeing the aircraft carrier, Clemenceau on the tees...

Regards


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: eclaire on June 26, 2008, 03:34:02 pm
Very good news for shipspotters as there should be some interesting ships coming in. Lots of jobs for Teesside too.
claire:-}


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Guest on June 26, 2008, 03:48:59 pm
Hi Nathan

Nice looking ship - see http://www.shipspotting.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=517427

Interesting history since she was decommissioned:

In December 2004, before Clemenceau set sail for India, Greenpeace started protesting against France's plans to outsource the scrapping of the 27,000-ton warship laden with toxins such as asbestos, PCBs, lead, mercury, and other toxic chemicals in India in violation of the Basel Convention.

On 31 December 2005 Clemenceau left the French port of Toulon to be dismantled in Alang, Gujarat, India.

On 6 January 2006 the Supreme Court of India temporarily denied access to Alang. [2]

On 12 January 2006 the ship reached Egypt, where she was boarded by two Greenpeace activists. [3] Egyptian authorities denied access to the Suez Canal.

On 15 January the ship was finally allowed to pass. This decision was heavily criticised by Greenpeace and other environmental groups. [4] That same day French President Jacques Chirac ordered Clemenceau to return to French waters and remain on standby following a ruling by France's highest administrative court, the Conseil d'État.[5]

Clemenceau is expected to remain for some time in the naval port at Brest, where she arrived in May 2006.

Regards


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Nathan on June 26, 2008, 04:19:04 pm
Hi Steve, thanks for the info!

I hope see come at a time which is good for all of us on the Tees! Will you be paying a visit?

I wonder how long its going to take for them to tow here up here...

Regards


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Guest on June 26, 2008, 04:41:05 pm
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coatham wrote:
Hi Steve, thanks for the info!
I hope see come at a time which is good for all of us on the Tees! Will you be paying a visit? I wonder how long its going to take for them to tow here up here...
Regards


Hi Nathan

Oh I'm sure I could manage a trip down to the South Gare to take in the spectacle  :lol:

Regards


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Nathan on June 26, 2008, 04:48:39 pm
Hi Steve, well lets hope she is forecast FIRM well before hand!

Knowing my luck it will be a 2am arrival!


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: JonHare on June 29, 2008, 01:12:42 pm
Yes it is very good news that Able have been given the licences. It is a shame that it has taken this long meaning that the local economy has missed out on £millions.

At least now they can get on with the work. Bringing huge number of jobs and spin off jobs to the area, making a huge economic boost to an area which is in need of the boost.

It will be great to be able (sorry, no pun intended) to see great ships coming into the Tees, albeit on their very last voyage.


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Nathan on June 29, 2008, 01:15:27 pm
Hi Jon, i came over to Hartlepool again yesterday (28th).

There seemed to be alot of movement around the ghost ships, plenty of machinery and cranes,  looks like there getting ready to get under way!

Regards


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: C on June 29, 2008, 08:10:18 pm
So Coatham when are you in Hartlepool next?will you be here next Sat morning if so i have a suprise for you!
The info you asked for is................Kingston from Poole (Tug) pulling B72 Sliedrecht NL split hopper..........Forth Drummer (Tug)from Leith pulling Roar.R split hopper..Hope this helps... :-D  8-)


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Nathan on June 29, 2008, 08:25:40 pm
Thanks for the info!

I seen B - 72 on the River Today.

Regards


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: C on June 29, 2008, 08:53:34 pm
Dont forget your camera!!!!! :-P


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Nathan on June 29, 2008, 08:58:56 pm
I wont! :-D


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: JonHare on June 29, 2008, 11:41:02 pm
I had a drive along earlier this evening after dropping my sister off at home. There seems to be a lot more stuff in there now. It has been building up since they got the planning permission.

Interesting that the plans include railway sidings to be built for taking the scrao away. I wonder where these trains will be destined for and how many trains a week there will be.
Best shot of the ships in dock so far.
http://www.jhphotos.co.uk/html/january_2008_11.html

Next Saturday Im working 0700- 1600. Coatham, if you are over this way next Saturday. It is the Hartlepool Maritime Festival. I think I read somewhere there might be a tall ship (or two) visiting, that is if I read it right. lol


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Nathan on June 30, 2008, 06:38:37 am
Hi Jon, well if its the maritime festival no doubt it will be packed!
I might pop over...

Regards


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on June 30, 2008, 10:29:44 pm
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JonHare wrote:
I had a drive along earlier this evening after dropping my sister off at home. There seems to be a lot more stuff in there now. It has been building up since they got the planning permission.

Interesting that the plans include railway sidings to be built for taking the scrao away. I wonder where these trains will be destined for and how many trains a week there will be.
Best shot of the ships in dock so far.
http://www.jhphotos.co.uk/html/january_2008_11.html

Next Saturday Im working 0700- 1600. Coatham, if you are over this way next Saturday. It is the Hartlepool Maritime Festival. I think I read somewhere there might be a tall ship (or two) visiting, that is if I read it right. lol

Hi Jonathon,
the port of Tyne has had a new facility for accepting scrap by trains ,it is run by a firm called    T J Thompsons.
Her is a link to there website:-
http://www.tjthomson.co.uk/aboutus.htm


Brian


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: JonHare on July 01, 2008, 12:36:53 am
Thanks cawky, I am already aware of them. Thanks anyway.

Yesterday (Monday) I watched The Tug the Carlo Mango, pulling the barge H627 into the Tees. On the shipping reports THPA site is saying the barge is something to do with Able UK. I have sent Coatham a shot of it coming in taken at the Blue Lagoon.


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Nathan on July 01, 2008, 07:03:12 am
Hi Jon, i was hoping someone had caught them!
To me it looks like part of a rig, i can see a helicopter pad on there as well and also, what looks like one of them towers they use to flare off.

If you look down the forecast, the barge is due to move to TERRC at a later date.

Regards


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: JonHare on July 01, 2008, 08:57:00 pm
Here are two press releases on Able UK's website.

26-Jun-08 - Able UK Ltd
ALL SYSTEMS GO FOR WORLD-CLASS RECYCLING CENTRE
The final stage in the long-running project to develop Able UKʼs TERRC (Teesside Environmental Reclamation and Recycling Centre) facility at Seaton Port, Graythorp, has now been completed with the announcement from the Environment Agency that it has issued the company’s Waste Management Licence.

Mr Peter Stephenson, Chairman of Able UK, was delighted with the announcement which means that the company is in a position to start work in the near future on a number of vessels already berthed at TERRC—and attract more investment and job opportunities in the future.

Today he commented, “This commonsense decision marks the culmination of almost five years of hard - and at times frustrating - effort. I’m thankful, because it means that we can at last start work – creating jobs and expanding the local skills base in the process.”

Among the vessels that will now be dismantled are four ships from the American National Defence Reserve Fleet and three UK ships at the facility, which is now set to be a world-leader in ship reclamation alongside a wide range of marine-related and renewable energy projects.

The decision vindicates the company’s decision to press ahead with £30 million worth of investment at TERRC including a new 312 metre long deep water quay and cofferdam which will be completed this year allowing the very large dry dock to become operational again.

“While we are pleased that we can finally get started on dismantling these vessels, we have always emphasised that reclamation work is just a fraction of the work TERRC will provide” said Mr Stephenson.

With the largest dry dock in the world, TERRC offers the prospect of Teesside becoming a major centre for construction and ship recycling—meeting both the UK Government and European demands for facilities able to handle the large number of redundant vessels, which will require disposal in the years ahead.

At the same time the facility will be able to handle a wide range of other marine related activities, including construction and repair work and Able UK is also working on attracting business in the renewable energy market, especially wind turbine construction.

-----END-----


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: JonHare on July 01, 2008, 08:58:01 pm
And today's press release.

01-Jul-08 - Able UK Ltd
MAJOR RECYCLING CONTRACT PROVES TERRC POTENTIAL
Confirmation of the potential for Teesside to become a word-class centre for ship recycling has come again today with the announcement from the French Ministry of Defence that it has awarded the contract for the dismantling of a former aircraft carrier to Able UK Ltd.

It is expected that the vessel, the former Clemenceau—now known as the Q790—will arrive at Able UK’s TERRC (Teesside Environmental Reclamation and Recycling Centre) at Able Seaton Port, Graythorp, later this summer and remediation and recycling work will take place alongside other vessels already berthed at the facility—including four vessels from the American National Defense Reserve Fleet and three UK ships.

Launched in 1957, the Clemenceau was the mainstay of the French naval fleet and sailed over a million nautical miles before being decommissioned in 1997. The vessel is 238m long with a beam of 31.7m. When fully loaded she weighed 32,700 tons.

Said Mr Stephenson “We have always reasoned that, given the opportunity, TERRC would lead the way in recycling ships to the highest possible environmental standards, this has been underlined with the decision by the French authorities that we should undertake the work on the Clemenceau which will be the biggest ship recycling project so far handled by any European yard.

“With the largest dry dock in the world, we can easily undertake the work on the Clemenceau and other vessels at TERRC whilst continuing with other projects, such as the assembly work for the SeaDragon semi submersible drilling rig project and construction of wind turbines. Since gaining planning approval last November, we have moved rapidly ahead with developing the facility—for instance our two new deep water quays 10 & 11, which are 312m long providing up to 20m of water, will be complete this year.

The granting of our Waste Management Licence, the clearance by the Health and Safety Executive for the Q790 and the confirmation of the award of the Q790 contract justify the huge efforts and resources that have been invested in this area at the forefront of an industry which has enormous potential for growth in the years ahead.

-----END-----


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Nathan on July 01, 2008, 09:06:01 pm
Late this summer?

I hope its August time!

Regards


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: andeedob on July 02, 2008, 04:33:09 pm
Re barges on the Tees , this may well be part of the NW Hutton platform.

From BP Website:

The heavy lift vessel Hermod, operated by Heerema Marine Contractors, is now on location at the North West Hutton installation to carry out the removal of the platform’s topsides modules this summer. The modules will be shipped by barge to the Able UK facility on Teesside for recycling and disposal.
There are 22 separate modules ranging in weight from a few hundred tonnes up to almost 3,000 tonnes and the Hermod will use a “reverse installation” method to remove the modules.

http://www.bp.com/subsection.do?categoryId=9022087&contentId=7040883


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Guest on July 02, 2008, 04:42:46 pm
Hi All

This piece from the BBC News Web Site:

"Ghost ship firm to scrap carrier

A French aircraft carrier which was too toxic to break up in India is to be scrapped by a firm embroiled in a row over so-called US "ghost ships".

Hartlepool-based Able UK said the deal to scrap the 32,700-tonne Clemenceau is the biggest of its kind in Europe.

The vessel contains 700 tonnes of asbestos and was recalled to France from India in 2006 amid concerns over its toxic elements.

Able overcame environmental concerns over its recycling plans last month.

The company is due to begin recycling work on the 780ft-long (238 metre) vessel later this year.

President Jacques Chirac had to call the ship back from India two years ago after the furious Socialist opposition embarrassed him over the decision to send France's waste abroad while "lecturing the world on the environment".

The Clemenceau, once the pride of the French navy, has spent the past five years being moved around as officials tried to find a final resting place for the vessel.

Launched in 1957, the Clemenceau was the mainstay of the French naval fleet and sailed over a million nautical miles before being decommissioned in 1997.

Work on the Clemenceau will take place alongside existing contracts to scrap four vessels from the American National Defense Reserve Fleet.

The company faced tough opposition to its recycling plans, but was given final approval by the Environment Agency last week.

Able UK chairman Peter Stephenson said: "We have always argued that, given the opportunity, we would lead the way in recycling ships to the highest possible environmental standards.

"This has been underlined with the decision by the French authorities that we should undertake the work on the Clemenceau, which will be the biggest ship recycling project so far handled by any European yard."

Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/england/tees/7484758.stm

Regards


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Nathan on July 02, 2008, 04:42:50 pm
Hi Andy, thanks for the update.

I thought the sections of rig were part of the 'Phillips Maureen' rig.

22 seperate modules, i wonder if it will be the same barge each time or 22 differant vessels. Looks like we will be seeing more large barges.

Where is the NW Hutton Platform?

Regards


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Guest on July 02, 2008, 04:54:30 pm
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coatham wrote:
Where is the NW Hutton Platform?
Regards


Hi Nathan

The NW Hutton Field lies within the Brent Province of the East Shetland Basin and is located in Block 211/27, 130 km NE of the Shetland Islands.

Regards


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: andeedob on July 02, 2008, 04:54:49 pm
I think you will be seeing a lot of barges. The jacket is over 140m tall - currently located 130km North East of Shetland.Some good pics and stats  here:
http://www.bp.com/liveassets/bp_internet/globalbp/STAGING/global_assets/downloads/S/6th_Febuary_2003_presentation.pdf


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Nathan on July 02, 2008, 08:41:56 pm
Hi Andy & Steve,
                        Will the entire jacket be brought down, or in pieces?

Regards


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: JonHare on July 03, 2008, 12:33:21 am
It will be interesting to watch how it comes down.

Talk is the French Aircraft Carrier could be here within the next 2 months. I have 2 weeks holiday from work in August. I wonder if it will coincide then. Please.

I wonder how long before work starts on the building of the railway lines/ sidings for the scrap trains. I have heard that start of work on dismantling the US ships could start within the next 2- 4 weeks. I'd be happy to see more of the "Ghost fleet" come to Graythorpe.

Should hopefully be updating my website in the next week or so. To include a section on Able UK's, Graythorpe arrivals and hopefully some shots when dismantling starts.

Just thought on could the arrival be the end of July, but divert it first. So it could be a backdrop for the Sunderland Airshow 26/27th July. Its only just up the coast. One last public display but she meets her maker.    :lol:  :lol:


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Nathan on July 03, 2008, 03:24:27 pm
Hi Jon, i to hope it is in August time!

I see another barge is due, probably another module from the rig...

I wonder if the port of Brest has a arrival/departure sheet?

Regards


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Guest on July 03, 2008, 04:04:19 pm
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JonHare wrote:
Just thought on could the arrival be the end of July, but divert it first. So it could be a backdrop for the Sunderland Airshow 26/27th July. Its only just up the coast. One last public display but she meets her maker.  


Hi Jon

With the potential demonstrations that are likely to take place about the arrival of this vessel from environmentalists I doubt very much if the 'authorities' would want it sat off Sunderland. Anyway, the 'back drop' Royal Naval presence is there for safety purposes, in case one of the aircraft ditches. I think gone are the days when this French Aircraft carrier could provide that service  :lol:

Regards


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Guest on July 03, 2008, 04:07:14 pm
Quote

coatham wrote:
Hi Jon,
I wonder if the port of Brest has a arrival/departure sheet?
Regards


Hi Nathan

Here's a link to the Port of Brest - cannot see any movements schedules?
http://www.port.cci-brest.fr/indexen.htm

Regards


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Nathan on July 03, 2008, 04:09:57 pm
I just hope no one attempts to block the channel!

Will she be under tow?

Regards


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on July 03, 2008, 04:27:33 pm
Hi Nathan ,
She has been towed half way around the world and back in the past few years trying to find a country daft enough to take her!
Quote

coatham wrote:
I just hope no one attempts to block the channel!

Will she be under tow?

Regards


But coming to our country I know the job will be done properly and safe as possibly can be done , unlike some of the beaches in India

http://www.greenpeaceweb.org/shipbreak/


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Nathan on July 03, 2008, 04:31:31 pm
Must be one strong tug bringing her down, or perhaps more?


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Guest on July 03, 2008, 04:35:11 pm
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coatham wrote:
Will she be under tow?Regards


Hi Nathan

Yes - decommissioned 4 years ago it wouldn't be viable to maintain her engines purely so that they could be used to transport her to the scrapyard.

Regards


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Guest on July 03, 2008, 04:37:52 pm
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coatham wrote:
Must be one strong tug bringing her down, or perhaps more?


Hi Nathan

I would hazard a guess at well more than one Tug  - 3 Ocean Going Tugs at a guess :-)

Regards


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Nathan on July 03, 2008, 04:43:08 pm
Ah right, i see.

3 ocean going tugs, not bad!

Lets hope its a time when we can all see her come in!

Regards


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Guest on July 03, 2008, 04:58:27 pm
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coatham wrote:
Ah right, i see.3 ocean going tugs, not bad!Lets hope its a time when we can all see her come in!
Regards


Hi Nathan

That was just my guess  :-o

I would imagine that given her size the Port would want her to come in under the best of weather and light conditions, so I predict a daylight inward movement - perhaps early morning, so  may have to camp on the South Gare overnight!

Regards


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Nathan on July 03, 2008, 05:02:57 pm
Hi Steve, why not book a B&B on the seafront.

That way you have guaranteed warmth!

Regards


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Guest on July 03, 2008, 05:09:22 pm
Quote

coatham wrote:
Hi Steve, why not book a B&B on the seafront.
That way you have guaranteed warmth!
Regards


Hi Nathan

But camping allows me to be on the spot should she come in ahead of schedule  :lol:

Regards


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Nathan on July 03, 2008, 05:12:15 pm
Ah, tactics!

Its just another 'wait and see' things now!

Fingers crossed  :-)


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on July 03, 2008, 05:46:38 pm
Maybe one very powerful tug :-

http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41652000/jpg/_41652616_towed_
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es%3Fq%3Dclemenceau%2Btow%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26ie%3DUTF-8


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on July 03, 2008, 06:08:24 pm
I have just posted a link above this post and the link is that wide it goes off my screen and know I cant find the reply or edit button on page 5 of this thread ???

here is another link of the air caraft carrier being towed :-
http://webmanager.trendesign.nl/itctowage/wm.cgi?type=content&area=2&lng=NL&id=19&main=1&flash=
I could only reply to this thread by using a reply button on page 3


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on July 03, 2008, 06:10:30 pm
I think the page has grown very wide :-?  :-?


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on July 03, 2008, 06:12:38 pm
trying for page 6^^
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Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on July 03, 2008, 06:14:13 pm
sorry to spoil this page but cant reply to any thing on this page, be cause of the huge link I pasted


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on July 03, 2008, 06:15:45 pm
one more try folks


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on July 03, 2008, 06:16:38 pm
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Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on July 03, 2008, 06:17:46 pm
can a moderator help sort my mess out please


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on July 03, 2008, 07:54:21 pm
This reply must make a new page


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Guest on July 03, 2008, 07:55:35 pm
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cawky wrote:
Maybe one very powerful tug


Hi Brian

However later in the same report the remarkable claim that - 'Dozens of tugboats manoeuvred the aircraft carrier into its berth - the same one it occupied in 1961 when it began 36 years of service with the navy.'  :-o

Regards


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on July 03, 2008, 08:01:45 pm
Hi Steve ,
Yes I read that bit, they must have been about the size of the old Quaysider.

I have just sorted the carry on  I had on page 5 of this thread , somehow my page would not scroll any further to thleft and the reply box was not visible , I was worried that no one else would be able to reply, that is the reason I was trying to get the topic onto another page. well it si ok now as I scrolled along eventually and altered the post with the enormous link in it .


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Nathan on July 03, 2008, 08:32:26 pm
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Dozens of tugboats manoeuvred the aircraft carrier into its berth


Might be a job for all 6 of the Tees tugs then!

Jon, good idea about adding a page specifically for vessels coming for decommissioning, i might just add one on my mine! (If i see any :-?)

Regards


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on July 03, 2008, 09:21:20 pm
Hi Nathan,
The carrier is 32700 tons , which is not a lot for a ship these days.
How many tugs do those big iron ore ships need?
 and they are about 150 000 tons,thou they do have there own engine to assist.

Regards

Brian


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Nathan on July 03, 2008, 09:23:08 pm
Hi Brain,
           Its usually four to a Ore carrier. Like you said, this one does not have a engine to assist. We can but wait and see :lol:

Regards


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on July 03, 2008, 09:59:14 pm
looking on google earth at the dry dock , it is going to be one hell of a tight squeeze getting the carrier in. :-)
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=54.636244,-1.185923&spn=0.021212,0.047894&t=h&z=14

I think this thread will run for a long time:)

also my mistake on page 5 did not help  much 8-)


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Nathan on July 03, 2008, 10:08:41 pm
Hi Brain,
            It doesnt look to bad if they are going to moor it along side the others. But getting it in might be a little tight like you said! Then agian, that satalite image does not show the Tuxedo Royale alongside either!


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: andeedob on July 04, 2008, 08:12:32 am
This view is more up to date and clearer:
http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&FORM=LMLTCP&cp=t3513tgx0r0d&style=b&lvl=1&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=22176506&phx=0&phy=0&phscl=1&encType=1


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: JonHare on July 04, 2008, 09:07:42 am
Now that is absolute detail. Cracking images. I can even see my friends dog in the garden, round the corner from me.


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Guest on July 04, 2008, 04:50:46 pm
Quote

JonHare wrote:
Now that is absolute detail. Cracking images. I can even see my friends dog in the garden, round the corner from me.


Hi Jon

Yes the detail is truly amazing - not your friends dog bu the Ghost Ships  :lol:

Regards


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Nathan on July 04, 2008, 04:55:17 pm
Nice detail!

However back on the 'ariel' view the ghost ships are no where to be seen!

Regards


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on July 04, 2008, 09:15:14 pm
Quote


yes amazing detail compared to google earth.  8-)


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on July 04, 2008, 09:21:43 pm
http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&FORM=LMLTCP&cp=48.376335~-4.503086&style=h&lvl=16&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=22176506&phx=0&phy=0&phscl=1&encType=1


Is this ship the Clemenceau?


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Nathan on July 04, 2008, 09:30:05 pm
Hi Brian, it could well be!

Note how the base is blurred out compared to the surrondings.


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on July 04, 2008, 09:35:57 pm
Well spotted !
i did not notice the difference, but I have just noticed the name of the base:-

Port Millitaire-Arsenal

brian


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on July 04, 2008, 09:39:17 pm
Look at the difference, this is Devonport ,Plymouth:-

http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&FORM=LMLTCP&cp=50.383923~-4.186242&style=h&lvl=16&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=12567241&phx=0&phy=0&phscl=1&where1=plymouth&encType=1

I worked in that big dry dock in 1991 when the first Gulf war was taking place, it was on the RFA Fort Austin

If you scroll upwards you will see a big crane on the left is a nuclear sub under covers , probably having a huge re fit!!


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on July 04, 2008, 09:44:06 pm
This is Rosyth:-

http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&FORM=LMLTCP&cp=56.023883~-3.449407&style=h&lvl=15&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=28425952&phx=0&phy=0&phscl=1&where1=Rosyth&encType=1

looks like Ark Royal is getting her big re- fit

Against the piers are the old disused nuclear subs, could these be eventually heading to the Able yard, watch this space , there is a few of them!!!


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: JonHare on July 06, 2008, 10:28:38 pm
Just been going through the Hartlepool Mail's website.
http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/Able-to-dismantle-French-aircraft.4239528.jp

In the article it reckons the Clemenceau will be arriving mid August.

Able UK's press release.
http://www.ableuk.com/ableshiprecycling/press-able-080701.htm


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: andeedob on July 07, 2008, 08:10:48 am
According to the Guardian, Able still need to apply for a transfrontier shipment permission , from the Environment Agency.  This will need to be issued/approved before the Q790 can be brought in:

'An Environment Agency spokeswoman confirmed that a waste management licence had been granted to Able UK. She said the licence would allow the ship to be brought on to the site and dismantled within 12 months, but other regulatory requirements have not yet been met. The company now needs to apply to the agency for a "transfrontier shipment" permit which would allow the ship to be brought from France to Teesside'

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/jul/02/pollution.france


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: faulder4 on July 08, 2008, 10:03:20 pm
See   .....www riverseainternational.co.uk.....Photo just posted on Homewaters


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: JonHare on July 09, 2008, 10:10:37 pm
http://www.riverseainternational.co.uk/homewaters/shiplist.htm
It is about half way down the page. A nice shot of her as well.


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: JonHare on July 12, 2008, 03:56:43 pm
Quote

coatham wrote:
Quote:
Dozens of tugboats manoeuvred the aircraft carrier into its berth


Might be a job for all 6 of the Tees tugs then!

Jon, good idea about adding a page specifically for vessels coming for decommissioning, i might just add one on my mine! (If i see any )

Regards


I have just added a page on Able UK TERRC, Graythorpe. To show arrivals, site and when the dismantling starts, shots of them being dismantled.

The page can be found:
http://www.jhphotos.co.uk/html/able_uk.html


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: eclaire on July 15, 2008, 06:32:29 pm
very nice site Jon - thankyou!
Any definite date yet for Clemenceau  to come in?
claire:-}


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Nathan on July 16, 2008, 07:30:44 pm
Hi Claire,

Nothing on the forecast yet, i am sure we will hear about it when Q790 departs.

I see another barge is now in Teesbay with the tug Carlo Mango, due tommorow at 14:00 EST. The barge (H 541) is due to go into TERRC No.11 berth, i have posted a image of them far out in Teesbay.Click here. (http://www.flickr.com/photos/23286690@NO3/2674365317)

 (Forgive the bad quality, camera was at full zoom! Shows how big the cargo is though. )

Regards


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on July 16, 2008, 07:44:58 pm
link is not working for me Nathan.

brian


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Nathan on July 16, 2008, 08:18:16 pm
Hi Brian,

Lets see if this one works...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/23286690@N03/2674365317/sizes/l/

Regards


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on July 16, 2008, 08:22:58 pm
that is some load , could it be pieces of old oil rigs?


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Nathan on July 16, 2008, 08:28:15 pm
Hi Brian,

Your right its probably another module off the North West Hutton rig which is been took to pieces near the Shetlands Islands  by the floating crane Hermod. I previous posts it states there are 22 modules, looks like alot more barges!  

Regards


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: JonHare on July 16, 2008, 11:25:13 pm
The barge H627, with sections of the rig on is towed into the Tees. 30th June 2008.
http://www.jhphotos.co.uk/html/able_uk_2.html

I will get the big lens out tomorrow, so hopefully get some long shots before I start work. Just hope the rain and cloud will hold off till I get some shots.


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Nathan on July 17, 2008, 07:07:14 pm
Hi all,

H 541 arrived on the river today at 14:41, bound for TERRC No.11 berth. Carlo Mango sailed abit further up to Teesdock No.4. However, Jon Hare told me that he seen them leaving the River. According to Teesport website, H 541 left the River at 18:33 from TERRC No.11 berth and Carlo Mango left from Teesdock No.4.

I went down to the seafront and got some shots of them in the bay, you can see the load better:
 H 541 & Carlo Mango - Teesbay (http://www.flickr.com/photos/23286690@N03/2677981676/sizes/l/)

They are due back tomorrow (18th) at 14:30 FIRM. I wonder why they left?

Regards


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: JonHare on July 18, 2008, 12:25:06 am
Thanks Coatham,

Looking earlier this evening the barge was about 12 miles north off the Hartlepool Headland. Should be holding there untill tomorrow when she will come back in. Managed to get some good shots of the ensemble coming into Teesmouth  earlier. Will sort them out onto my site in the next week or so.


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Nathan on July 18, 2008, 02:56:09 pm
Hi Jon,

They are forecasted for the 19th now, 15:00 EST

Regards


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Nathan on July 18, 2008, 04:04:33 pm
Hi all,

H 541 & Carlo Mango are now due in tomorrow (19th), 15:00 FIRM.

I will be going down to see them, thats if there ETA doesn't change! :lol:

Regards


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on July 18, 2008, 05:11:39 pm
It looks like Able could be making a bigger profit than they thought ,with the price of scrap shooting up, here is a link to a story about the price these old ships are being sold for off the US goverment:-
http://www.newsletterscience.com/marex/readmore.cgi?issue_id=310&article_id=3350&l=1&s=55745

Brian


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Nathan on July 18, 2008, 06:37:06 pm
Hi Brian,

Well found, interesting article.

The barge and tug are far away on the horizon now.

Regards


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: JonHare on July 18, 2008, 07:16:47 pm
At about 6.30pm this evening they were about 10 miles or so off the coast of Easington Colliery.

Graythorpe is going to become fairly crowded later this summer. The 4 ghost ships, the aircraft carrier, the other couple of ships that are in there, and the oil rig sections.

I would expect the railway lines to be built within the next month to get the scrap flowing out, so to allow many more projects to gain access.


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Chris Fahey on July 18, 2008, 07:32:07 pm
Watching from my bedroom window in Murton Carlo Magno and barge heading North. Barge stands out while Carlo Magno is a small dot.


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Nathan on July 18, 2008, 08:06:37 pm
Hi Jon & Chris,

When i was on the seafront earlier, H 541 stood out more, couldnt really see Carlo Magno.

 I hope they stick to there time! :lol:

Regards


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on July 18, 2008, 08:10:43 pm
Quote

coatham wrote:
Hi Brian,

Well found, interesting article.

The barge and tug are far away on the horizon now.

Regards


You can subscibe to this newsletter if you want regular maritime information,i would recommend it.This is the latest newsletter:-

http://www.maritime-executive.com/pr/2008/07/17/

Brian

PS here is the tug on the AISSHIPS website:-
http://www.shipais.com/showship.php?mmsi=247153600


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Chris Fahey on July 18, 2008, 08:17:07 pm
It's heading South again, must be going round in circles.


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Nathan on July 18, 2008, 08:18:00 pm
Hi Brian,

Will look into when i get my laptop sorted.  

Regards


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Nathan on July 18, 2008, 08:21:34 pm
Hi Chris,

I think its called 'Steaming' when they do that.

Regards


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Chris Fahey on July 18, 2008, 08:29:50 pm
I call it wasting fuel :-D .


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Nathan on July 18, 2008, 08:31:54 pm
:lol:

Either way Carlo Magno will need a top up sooner or later!

Regards


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Chris Fahey on July 18, 2008, 08:40:29 pm
Just wait til the owners get the bill, hope BP's giving discount  on fuel :-D .


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on July 18, 2008, 08:44:28 pm
Quote

cawky wrote:
looking on google earth at the dry dock , it is going to be one hell of a tight squeeze getting the carrier in.
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=54.636244,-1.185923&spn=0.021212,0.047894&t=h&z=14

I think this thread will run for a long time:)

also my mistake on page 5 did not help  much


Well we are already on page 10 guys and it is early days for this thread  :-D  :-D

I wonder when they are going to put the gates across the dry dock and pump it out????


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Nathan on July 18, 2008, 08:44:46 pm
:lol:

Lets hope they dont leave this time, dont forget H 627 is sat further up the Tees waiting to move to TERRC after H 541.

Regards


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on July 18, 2008, 08:48:09 pm
We need a webcam pointing to the facility!!

Lets all get on to Able and request one!!!!!!!!!!! :lol:  :lol:  8-)


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Nathan on July 18, 2008, 08:52:32 pm
If only!

That would make our 'follow ups' even easier, all the barges and tugs are still up there. I seen Forth Drummer coming back from the bay about half 3, no barge. Must of been checking the conditions...

Regards


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on July 18, 2008, 08:57:13 pm
Its worth sending a email to them


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Nathan on July 18, 2008, 09:00:24 pm
You could give it a shot...

100 posts already and the carrier hasnt even left France :lol:


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on July 18, 2008, 09:05:36 pm
This is the email address:

info@ableuk.com

I have sent my e mail:-

Dear Sir,

We have a thread running on shipspotting.com on your facility:-

http://www.shipspotting.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=5255&forum=2&viewmode=flat&order=ASC&start=0

We are all interrested in ships only and nothing else,I have suggested on page 10 that it would be great idea if there could be a webcam covering the ship yard so that people like myself could watch what was happening to the ships .

Regards

Brian

who is next
 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on July 18, 2008, 09:08:30 pm
wow page 11,

this shows you the holding pattern of the tug and the tow:-

http://www.aisliverpool.org.uk/shiptrail.php?mmsi=247153600


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Nathan on July 18, 2008, 09:13:33 pm
Thanks for the link...

She goes quite far out!


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on July 18, 2008, 09:17:10 pm
if you scroll over the route you can she that she is only doing about 2 knots so the tug is more or less just keeping tension on the tow line and keeping control of the barge they have been coming to just about level with the Tyne!!

Also 1900 views


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on July 19, 2008, 12:59:06 pm
looks that the inward movement has been posponed for 24 hours
http://www.thpal.co.uk/teesport/shippingreports/SR-03-ShipsAtAnchor.asp


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Nathan on July 19, 2008, 01:03:52 pm
I dont believe it, i was sorting my kit out ready...

Lets hope it comes tomorrow!

Regards


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on July 19, 2008, 03:04:33 pm
http://www.thpal.co.uk/teesport/shippingreports/SR-03-ShipsAtAnchor.asp

Probably the 29 mph gust s that cancelled the incoming. :-(


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Nathan on July 19, 2008, 03:26:49 pm
Hi Brian,

They are both down for 15:45 EST tomorrow.

The weather forecast doesnt look to bad, not sure about the winds.

Regards


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: JonHare on July 19, 2008, 06:11:04 pm
Just as I got your text saying that it was postponed till tomorrow. About 10 minutes later there was a big flash of lightning and then a HUGE LOUD rumble of thunder. The air didn't half rip.

Like I said that there was too many squals about. Which means it would of been too dangerous to safely manouvoure the barge into the dock, even with a load of TUGS ;-)  involved.


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Nathan on July 19, 2008, 06:26:44 pm
Hi Jon,

We had thunder here to...

Just got back in from the gare, the barge is only just visible on the horizon. Fingers crossed for the tomorrow arrival.

Regards


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on July 19, 2008, 06:35:38 pm
check the weather forcast on this link:-

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/uk/ne/teesport_forecast_weather.html

It is still forcasting gusts of 20 mph to 37 mph thou, but it updates all the time.


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Nathan on July 19, 2008, 06:41:59 pm
What do you reckon is the minimun wind speed they will be to enter in?


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on July 19, 2008, 06:49:44 pm
I could not answer that ,but all I do know is that cranes will stop working at 40 mph, I would say that the gusting speed has got to drop ,these are what can cause accidentsor sudden movements.


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Nathan on July 19, 2008, 06:55:23 pm
Oh well, its another 'wait and see' things!

Lets hope they arrive tommorow!

Regards


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on July 20, 2008, 12:05:15 am
http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/uk/ne/teesport_forecast_weather.html

the forcast is changing, it is looking better Nathan, maybe your camera will be working tommorrow afternoon mate :-D  :lol:  :-)

I was on the drink tonight down at the seafront at sunny South Shields and I saw that massive thing on top of that barge , it looked big mind, but I have seen some big modules leeve the Press yard on the Tyne and the Amec yard, but this is a big load to get recycled .

WE WANT A WEB CAM AT THE ABLE YARD

come guys get them e mails sent :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Nathan on July 20, 2008, 06:00:05 am
Hi Brian,
 
The forecast has improved, however they are still under EST.

Looking outside now (6:55AM) the skies are blue, not a cloud anywhere, yet :lol:.

Fingers crossed.

Regards


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Nathan on July 20, 2008, 09:32:47 am
http://www.shipspotting.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=686530&cid=19

The weather this morning - around half 8 - was quite windy and choppy. Barge still under EST for this afternoon.

Regards


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Nathan on July 20, 2008, 11:55:17 am
Hi All,

Cargo Magno & H 541 are postponed until 16:00 tomorrow (21st), FIRM.


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: JonHare on July 20, 2008, 05:35:13 pm
I have just added a couple of shots to my website from Thursday as it entered the Tees.
http://www.jhphotos.co.uk/html/able_uk_3.html
http://www.jhphotos.co.uk/html/able_uk_4.html
http://www.jhphotos.co.uk/html/able_uk_5.html


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Nathan on July 20, 2008, 06:51:52 pm
Hi Jon,

Great shots, i hope they stick to the ETA tomorrow.

Regards


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Chris Fahey on July 20, 2008, 07:24:23 pm
Good pictures, currently waiting with my telescope for it to pass my patch of sea as it goes North.


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Chris Fahey on July 20, 2008, 07:24:27 pm
Good pictures, currently waiting with my telescope for it to pass my patch of sea as it goes North.


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Chris Fahey on July 21, 2008, 02:25:04 pm
Any word on it docking today? The waves at Seaham are lashing the pier so I wonder if choppy waters will have an effect?


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Nathan on July 21, 2008, 02:39:29 pm
Hi Chris,

Both are postponed until tomorrow, 4PM , FIRM.

Regards


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: JonHare on July 21, 2008, 04:57:55 pm
I bet the crew aboard the Tug and barge will be glad to get reach land. I am beginning to wonder why it is still waiting to dock. Is it waiting for something in Graythorpe to be ready to accept. Or is it all down to the wind. As the wind today seemed to be considerably less than the past few days.


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Nathan on July 21, 2008, 07:11:49 pm
Hi Jon,

Just got back from the gare, the weather isnt to bad. However, the waves were causing the tugs to bounce around abit so that could be why they keep getting held off.

Regards


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on July 21, 2008, 10:05:06 pm
Quote

coatham wrote:
Hi Jon,

Just got back from the gare, the weather isnt to bad. However, the waves were causing the tugs to bounce around abit so that could be why they keep getting held off.

Regards


Hi ,coatham , normally when a barge comes in like this one there is no crew on the barge,they will sometimes use the pilot boat on the Tyne to transfer staff to accept the lines off the tugs, maybe the sea is still to rough for the job.

regards


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Nathan on July 22, 2008, 07:28:29 am
Hi Brian,

Both are postponed again, but this only a hour. Carlo Magno & H 541 are forecasted for today, 17:00hrs FIRM.

Lets hope they stick to it :lol:

Regards


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Nathan on July 22, 2008, 01:00:51 pm
Hi All,

Carlo Magno & tow are still forecast for 5pm.

On AIS, the Tyne tug, 'Rowangarth' looks as though she is coming to the Tees as she is off Hartlepool (1:57pm). Possibly to assist with berthing the barge?

Regards


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Nathan on July 22, 2008, 07:02:44 pm
Hi all,

I finally got to see them, they both arrived at about quater to 6.
Svitzer Bootle, Mull, Ormesby and Coatham Cross were the assisting tugs. Rowangarth was on the Tees, she was hovering around the Ore Terminal before pulling to the stern of Chembulk Houston.

http://www.shipspotting.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=688160
http://www.shipspotting.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=688210
http://www.shipspotting.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=688230
http://www.shipspotting.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=688230

Regards


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on July 22, 2008, 08:34:31 pm
Hi ,
Great photos , I bet that lot will be worth a few bob in scrap money , it is some size.

Was the Rowangarth on the job or was she there for some other reason , as she was definately on the Tees:-

http://www.aisliverpool.org.uk/shiptrail.php?map=tees&mmsi=232003613&date=20080722

Regards


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Nathan on July 22, 2008, 08:37:59 pm
Cheers Brian,

 I thought that Rowangarth was here to help with the barge, i seen her come to the Ore Terminal, before pulling to the stern of Chembulk Houston. So i think she may of been on the job...

Regards


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: JonHare on July 23, 2008, 12:07:54 am
I got some shots of it coming in this afternoon. At least it was good weather to get some shots in.

Shame the weather was that good. That it produced a lot of heat haze. This was noticable when I was shooting at 500mm lens as it was making its approach, with HMS Scarborough criss crossing behind H-541.


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Nathan on July 23, 2008, 08:37:32 am
Hi Jon,

Let us know when your pics are online, i didnt see HMS Scarborough...

Your right, the weather was good yesterday. However, you got the heat haze and i got the silhouettes :lol:.

Regards


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Nathan on July 24, 2008, 11:27:55 am
Hi all,

Barge & Tug are leaving today, 18:00 Firm.

Regards


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Chris Fahey on July 24, 2008, 01:45:48 pm
Don't know what it's like down there but there's sea fret rolling in and out at Seaham, is that likely to have an effect or does it not matter now that the barge is empty?


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Nathan on July 24, 2008, 02:14:07 pm
Hi Chris,

Just got in from the gare, i waited half a hour or so for the tanker SEADANCE to depart. Then the fog rolled in and all you could see were outlines! Not sure if it will effect the barge, they are still down for 18:00.

Regards


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: JonHare on July 24, 2008, 10:25:44 pm
Carlo Magno showing as leaving the Tees around 2000hrs.

Just updating my site now so within half an hour some pics will be up.


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: JonHare on July 24, 2008, 10:46:26 pm
A shot of CARLO MAGNO and barge H-541 entering the Tees, with the assistance from the Tugs based on th Tees.
http://www.jhphotos.co.uk/html/able_uk_6.html

A couple of shots of Graythorpe Yard, taken earlier this evening.
http://www.jhphotos.co.uk/html/able_uk_7.html
http://www.jhphotos.co.uk/html/able_uk_8.html


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on July 24, 2008, 10:57:52 pm
hello jonathan,
do you know if any cutting up work has started yet at the Able site yet, as it seems to be filling up down there now.

regards


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Nathan on July 24, 2008, 11:21:13 pm
I arrived at the gare at about half 5ish. They were forecast for for 6 and left at quater to 9!

Got some decent shots though :lol:

Regards


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: JonHare on July 24, 2008, 11:41:52 pm
Quote

cawky wrote:
hello jonathan,
do you know if any cutting up work has started yet at the Able site yet, as it seems to be filling up down there now.

regards


I couldn't tell. I don't think so yet. But can't be too far away. Should be getting the railway line in soon I'd think.


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Nathan on July 25, 2008, 09:05:27 am
Hi Jon,

Looks like Carlo Magno isnt heading back to the rig. On AIS she is off Hull and her destination is 'Flushing Holland'.

No tug forecasted yet to take H627 out.

Regards


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Chris Fahey on July 28, 2008, 02:29:38 pm
Carlo Magno is currently of Whitby heading to the Tees have we got another week of spot the barge coming up :lol:


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Nathan on July 28, 2008, 02:57:16 pm
:lol:

Hi Chris,

I think she is doing a pick up this time.

She is due to leave tomorrow at 11am FIRM along with H 627 from TERRC at 12pm FIRM. So the hour gap is probably Tees tugs bringing the barge down the Seaton Channel.

Regards


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Nathan on July 29, 2008, 02:50:26 pm
Hi all,

Carlo Magno and H 627 left the Tees today around half one.

Thats all the large barges off the Tees now, BUT there is another forecast :lol:. H 404 is due on the 2nd with the tug Primus, 11am EST.  

Regards


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: JonHare on July 31, 2008, 08:35:35 pm
At 2123hrs 31/07/2008, PRIMUS is steaming south about 50nm off Aberdeen. Shown on AIS.


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Chris Fahey on August 02, 2008, 02:03:41 pm
Can see Primus and H404 from Easington, where I'm watching a football match.
Quote
JonHare wrote: At 2123hrs 31/07/2008, PRIMUS is steaming south about 50nm off Aberdeen. Shown on AIS.


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Nathan on August 02, 2008, 05:16:18 pm
They both arrived at 16:13.

Primus then left the Tees to berth at Hartlepool.

Regards


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Chris Fahey on August 03, 2008, 01:18:13 am
Did you get some good shots of them? There appeared to be an irregular shape on the barge nearer Primus' stern. And if anyone is interested at the game I was at Murton walloped their local rivals  Easington Colliery 5-1.


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Nathan on August 03, 2008, 08:13:05 am
Hi Chris,

I did get some shots but i cant put any on the site yet due to my laptop playing up. Jon was over at Hartlepool and also got some shots.

Regards


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: JonHare on August 03, 2008, 05:47:13 pm
Yeah I got some great shots from the Bllue Lagoon.

Entering Teesmouth
http://www.jhphotos.co.uk/html/able_uk_9.html

PRIMUS
http://www.jhphotos.co.uk/html/tugs_14.html

PRIMUS & FIERY CROSS
http://www.jhphotos.co.uk/html/tugs_15.html

PHEONIX CROSS & SVITZER MULL
http://www.jhphotos.co.uk/html/tugs_16.html

H-404
http://www.jhphotos.co.uk/html/able_uk_10.html
http://www.jhphotos.co.uk/html/able_uk_11.html
http://www.jhphotos.co.uk/html/able_uk_12.html
http://www.jhphotos.co.uk/html/able_uk_13.html


While I was there a Kestral was hunting in the sand dunes.
http://www.jhphotos.co.uk/html/birds_49.html


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: JonHare on August 04, 2008, 04:25:01 pm
Dry dock for ghost ships


PREPARATION work to scrap four so-called ghost ships on the outskirts of Hartlepool has started after a recycling firm won permission to dismantle the rotting vessels.

Able UK has been busy getting ready to break up the controversial ghost ships berthed at its Graythorp site, near Seaton Carew, since the Environment Agency granted it a waste management licence at the end of June.

Further on this story can be found at this link.
http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/Dry-dock-for-ghost-ships.4352232.jp


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Chris Fahey on August 04, 2008, 05:01:51 pm
When's the next Tug-Barge combination due?


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Nathan on August 04, 2008, 05:35:05 pm
Hi Jon & Chris,

The article says that the carrier is due to arrive sometime next month. Is it reffering to August or September, when was it published?

No barges forecasted yet, Primus & H 404 are due to leave on the 6th EST.

Regards


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: davidships on August 06, 2008, 04:19:04 pm
Quote

Ed-Hunter wrote:
When's the next Tug-Barge combination due?


CARLO MAGNO has been up in NW Hutton again since 1/8 so probably not too long before on her way back.

Meanwhile, PRIMUS departed this morning to the south-east.

David


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: JonHare on August 06, 2008, 08:11:24 pm
I had a drive past TERRC this morning. I have got to say the yard is starting to look fairly full, with the rig sections.

As a few of you know. My interests mostly lay with the railways, as well as everything else. Which go hand in hand with my photography aspect of things.

So I am wondering when the sidings will be laid and when the scrap trains will start running. As railway sidings were in part of the planning application, as they would be used to take scrap away by train.

Reading the Hartlepool Mail article the other day. It is said that the dismantling work on the Ghost Ships will begin in December. So this has got me wondering are the tracks and services be starting towards the end of the year, or will work be started on sooner, so to take the scrap from the rig sections out.  

You could say that Im like a young child on the verge and can't wait.
As I have been following the TERRC story since just before the ships arrived. What seems like taking an eternity in seeing things progress. Is probaly the total opposite to what has been happening. On a scale that things are swinging along fairly fast, but seem to be slow on the outside.

Take a building being built for example. It takes a short time for the externals of a building to be put up, then it seems to take forever for the internals to be fitted. As most of the work to a building are the internals rather than the externals.
Thought I'd use this example as an analogy to what Im thinking. If you catch my drift.


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: JonHare on August 07, 2008, 05:48:45 pm
There has been video footage on ITV Tyne Tees Tonight (news) about the the decomissioning of the West Hutton Oil Rig at TERRC. The footage showed the Rig sections at TERRC, also a shot of a tractor/ lifter thingy carrying a section of beam.

Just wondering if anyone on here had seen the clip. Looks like the pictures were taken today or yesterday.


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Nathan on August 07, 2008, 05:58:53 pm
Hi Jon,  

I didnt see the clip, i am trying to track it down on there website as they put there reports on the internet aswell.

Regards


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: andeedob on August 07, 2008, 07:22:24 pm
Was in the Evening Gazette with pictures too.

On website but no pics. Quote :“We will receive the main steel jacket structure next summer and, given the scale of the project, it will provide considerable employment for a period of two years.”

http://www.nebusiness.co.uk/business-news/latest-business-news/2008/08/07/dismantling-under-way-51140-21482660/


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Nathan on August 07, 2008, 07:37:18 pm
Interesting read, i wonder if anything else (rig wise) will be coming...


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: JonHare on August 07, 2008, 08:31:54 pm
Well it is the start of things to come. This is only the beginning. A lot more projects are on the horizon (pardon the pun).


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on August 07, 2008, 10:25:50 pm
Quote

cawky wrote:
looking on google earth at the dry dock , it is going to be one hell of a tight squeeze getting the carrier in.
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=54.636244,-1.185923&spn=0.021212,0.047894&t=h&z=14

I think this thread will run for a long time:)

also my mistake on page 5 did not help  much


This was what I was trying to say:-

think this thread will run for a long time:)<

Well nearly 3500 views on this topic and 17 pages , this is going to be the biggest thread on shipspotting.com

I still think this thread will run for a long long time.

Regards


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: JonHare on August 07, 2008, 11:45:54 pm
As long as there is a demand for ships/ marine structures to be recycled at TERRC, the thread could continue. But I think in time another thread should be started. I can see it (the thread) going along way.


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on August 07, 2008, 11:56:38 pm
I agree with you , as long as the Able dock is in business this thread should continue, i dont think we need a differrent thread thou, I would love to see the rail spur put in place , then we will know the cutting up is taking place!

I think this thread should be the only one about the able facilitys ,why start another one John?
Regards

PS keep the photos coming :lol:


Title: Re: ABLE UK TERRC
Post by: JonHare on August 08, 2008, 08:38:47 am
Well if not another thread to start, maybes a renaming of this thread to Able UK TERRC. As the thread has gone beyond the start of the original topic. If you catch my drift.  :lol:


Title: Re: ABLE UK TERRC
Post by: Michel FLOCH on August 08, 2008, 04:30:09 pm
Hello everybody,
Our regional newspaper " Le Télégramme " announced this morning that Clémenceau will not leave Brest before September.
The reason is the following one, the slow activities of the naval base in August will not facilitate the preparation of the conveying, with the check of the points of towing and the complete inspection of holds of the ship.

Le Télégramme Web page :
http://www.letelegramme.com/gratuit/generales/regions/finistere/index_finistere.php
Regards
Michel


Title: Re: ABLE UK TERRC
Post by: JonHare on August 08, 2008, 05:19:18 pm
Some links to various news sources reporting the North West Hutton dismantling work:

BBC Tees
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/tees/7546671.stm

Northern Echo
http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/business/3580054.Jobs_boost_as_work_starts_on_dismantling_platform/

Hartlepool Mail
http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/Tons-of-jobs-on-the.4371932.jp


Title: Re: ABLE UK TERRC
Post by: JonHare on August 08, 2008, 06:01:03 pm
Just found this on the BBC Tees website (video)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/player/nol/newsid_7170000/newsid_7172400/7172407.stm?bw=bb&mp=wm&news=1&bbcws=1


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: JonHare on August 08, 2008, 07:18:11 pm
Quote

JonHare wrote:
There has been video footage on ITV Tyne Tees Tonight (news) about the the decomissioning of the West Hutton Oil Rig at TERRC. The footage showed the Rig sections at TERRC, also a shot of a tractor/ lifter thingy carrying a section of beam.

Just wondering if anyone on here had seen the clip. Looks like the pictures were taken today or yesterday.


Here is the link to the footage. It is just after 8mins 40 secs into the news program. Be aware there is an advert before the news clip start.
 http://www.itvlocal.com/tynetees/news/?player=TYN_News_15&void=220654


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: C on August 10, 2008, 07:34:33 pm
cawky: Why do you think it will be a tight squeeze to get the clem in? Once the TR has gone they can move the others over and the clem will over hang the dock.
I think there will be another barge going in soon.


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on August 10, 2008, 08:16:48 pm
Quote

Miya wrote:
cawky: Why do you think it will be a tight squeeze to get the clem in? Once the TR has gone they can move the others over and the clem will over hang the dock.
I think there will be another barge going in soon.


I did not know the Tuxedo Royal was going any were, tell me more


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: JonHare on August 10, 2008, 11:48:10 pm
Yeah, the TR is only there for somewhere to moor, after being told to move from the Riverside due to redevelopment and was said to be out of keeping to the development. Or something like that.

I wouldn't be surprised if she joins the Princess. Or there was talk that she could be preserved down Dover way, after it was uncertain to what her future hold as talk that she could be scrapped were circulating. The Northern Echo earlier this year or last year, ran a story about a possible move to preserve her down Dover, as she used to work there.

As far as she has been in TERRC it is only been as somewhere to moor, untill another use/ location was found for her.


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Nathan on August 10, 2008, 11:51:41 pm
Hi Jon & Brian,

I wonder if/when she will be leaving?

Regards


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: JonHare on August 11, 2008, 12:00:01 am
Could be before the Clem comes in. That is if I have read in between the lines right. Or she could be moved round. So that the ships go to the south side of the dock, with the TR in the middle between the Ghost ships and the Clem.

But I would of thought as soon as the Clem came in the cofferdam would be completed, then the draining and scrapping of the ships could take place.


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Nathan on August 11, 2008, 12:05:00 am
Hi Jon,

I sure hope she comes before September!

The smaller tug, Forth Drummer is on the forecast 11/08/08 - 01:15 FIRM. Inbound from Burntisland to TERRC 10 berth, perhaps she is back for one of the barges?

Regards


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Nathan on August 11, 2008, 12:51:19 am
Forth Drummer is back to take the barge ROAR - R. Both forecasted for 18:00 EST, 12/08/08.

Regards


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: David Harrison on August 15, 2008, 09:40:59 pm
In one way I am glad the ghost ships can now be dismantled at Able UK. Other ships can be brought to Teeside, (bringing work, therefore prosperity).The worry is, as in closing of old power stations, the disposal of waste is done not to the detriment of the environment. As to my thoughts - I hope I am proved most definately - I am wrong.  :-(


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Chris Fahey on August 18, 2008, 02:28:56 pm
Just to get back to the Clemenceau what route do you think she'll be taking to to the Tees? The obvious would be through the channel then straight up the East coast but I imagine she'll be moving slowly and would such a large vessel moving at slow speeds cause a shipping traffic jam? Perhaps it'll be easier to take her either in the Atlantic up the West coast of Eire or through the Irish Sea then along the top of Scotland and then down the North Sea.


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Guest on August 18, 2008, 03:22:09 pm
Quote

Ed-Hunter wrote:
Just to get back to the Clemenceau what route do you think she'll be taking to to the Tees? The obvious would be through the channel then straight up the East coast but I imagine she'll be moving slowly and would such a large vessel moving at slow speeds cause a shipping traffic jam? Perhaps it'll be easier to take her either in the Atlantic up the West coast of Eire or through the Irish Sea then along the top of Scotland and then down the North Sea.


Hi Chris

The English Channel is certainly wide enough for her to be accommodated along with all of the other ships even though it is the busiest section of sea in the World

A tow around the North of the UK would be costly and potentially dangerous. So no, it will be Brest to Hartlepool via the English Channel and North Sea.

Regards


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: JonHare on August 18, 2008, 10:54:54 pm
As Steve says there is ample room for the Clem to be towed via the Channel. If memory serves me correct the 4 US "Ghost" Fleet came through the Channel. There are loads of stuff towed through the Channel, which doesn't affect traffic than any other.

Just hope Im off work for when the Clem comes in.

I can't wait to see what will be coming in over the next year or so.  ;-)  :lol:


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Nathan on August 18, 2008, 11:39:44 pm
Hi Jon,

When are you going back to work?
Lets hope she arrives at a time which we can all make :lol:

Regards


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: JonHare on August 19, 2008, 12:56:05 am
Im back at work next week. Don't usually know what Im doing until I turn in for my shift. Also I hope to know the date of her arrival well before hand. I'd just tell my boss I'm unavailable that day, so should see it. ;-)  :lol:


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Chris Fahey on August 19, 2008, 02:36:06 pm
I realise the Channel is more than wide enough for Clemenceau :lol:  I was just thinking that the maratime authorities would prefer not to have a slow moving bulky ship hogging a shipping lane :lol:  I was also hoping there might of been a chance to observe her travelling down the coast.


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: JonHare on August 19, 2008, 08:52:07 pm
The Channel is not regulated as like the Panama Canal or Ports etc. So Maritime Authorities can't really have a say. The only way they can say something is if a ship or vessel is unsafe for the sea. That is about the only way Authorities can step in.

As far as Im aware is that the Channel is not regulated as such.


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Guest on August 19, 2008, 09:14:17 pm
Quote

JonHare wrote:
The Channel is not regulated as like the Panama Canal or Ports etc. So Maritime Authorities can't really have a say. The only way they can say something is if a ship or vessel is unsafe for the sea. That is about the only way Authorities can step in.

As far as Im aware is that the Channel is not regulated as such.


Hi Jon

The TSS - Traffic Separation Scheme is fully enforced in the English Channel by the Maritime Coastguard Agency (MCA) - amongst their enforcement  efforts are  the regular daily  aircraft flights over the Channel to ensure shipping is sticking to the correct lanes.

Here is a short URL to a page of interest on the MCA's web site - http://tinyurl.com/6cbp2u - gives full details and examples of what fines etc can follow non compliance.

Regards


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: davidships on August 21, 2008, 05:44:59 am
All sorts of large slow things are towed through the Channel.  You cannot think of "lanes" in the same way as a motorway.  Each designated shipping lane in the Channel is like a a motorway the width of 10 lanes each way.


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Nathan on August 23, 2008, 10:42:27 am
Hello Everyone,

Here are some pictures that i took of the barges etc:

H - 541, Arrival (http://www.shipspotting.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=688160)
Carlo Magno, Arrival (http://www.shipspotting.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=710001)
H - 541 & Carlo Magno, Departure (http://www.shipspotting.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=710019)
H - 541, Departure (http://www.shipspotting.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=710015)
Carlo Magno, Depatured (http://www.shipspotting.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=710016)
Carlo Magno, Berthed (http://www.shipspotting.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=710046)
Carlo Magno, Departure (http://www.shipspotting.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=710051)
H - 627, Departure (http://www.shipspotting.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=710048)
H - 404, Arrival (http://www.shipspotting.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=710081)
Primus, H - 404 & Tees Tugs (http://www.shipspotting.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=710085)
Primus, Departure (http://www.shipspotting.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=710091)

Regards


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: john dunn on August 23, 2008, 09:12:21 pm
hi there yes i would like to see the Clemenceau come IN TO THIS AREA WHEN IS IT COMING IN yes thinking of trying for a job with able


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Nathan on August 27, 2008, 03:46:19 pm
Hi All,

The saga begins again  :lol:. H - 627 & Carlo Magno are due to arrive in Teesbay on the 28th at 18:00 EST. On the 29th both are due at 13:00 FIRM, the barge is going to TERRC No.11 Berth and Carlo Magno is only dropping the barge off before going back out to the North Sea.

Regards


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: JonHare on August 28, 2008, 04:59:13 pm
Carlo Magno is currently sat about 10 miles off Hartlepool this afternoon. Looking good for tomorrow.


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Nathan on August 28, 2008, 07:29:48 pm
Hi Jon,

Have you decided which side of the river you are going yet?

Regards


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: JonHare on August 28, 2008, 11:53:38 pm
Unsure at the moment, will decide as the day pans out as to which side I'll be on. Choice is Newburn Bridge/ Seaton Carew, North Gare, the Blue Lagoon (a head on view as it comes in), or the south gare.

The Weather will have a bearing and ultimily traffic reports.

Also the possiblity of what time I fall out of bed. ;-)  :lol:


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Nathan on August 29, 2008, 12:01:59 am
Hi Jon,

 :lol: I will keep a eye out for your car if you do decide to come over.

Regards


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Nathan on August 29, 2008, 03:55:53 pm
Carlo Magno & H - 627 arrived at 13:26.

Another smaller barge, H - 302 is forecast for the 31st, 14:30 FIRM. Along with the tug 'Primus'.

Regards


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Nathan on August 31, 2008, 08:08:30 pm
Primus & H - 302 arrived at 15:03 today (31st).

The barge was carrying long pipes and a mobile crane.

Reggards


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Guest on September 03, 2008, 04:12:54 pm
Hi All

 'Ghost ship' firm in legal threat

A legal challenge has been mounted to stop a French aircraft carrier being scrapped by a firm embroiled in a row over over so-called "ghost ships".

Hartlepool-based Able UK wants to dismantle the 32,700-tonne Clemenceau at its facility near Hartlepool.

But the Friends of Hartlepool group raised concerns about the vessel which contains 700 tonnes of asbestos.

The High Court will hear claims the Health and Safety Executive was wrong to grant Able a waste certificate.

The Clemenceau, which was once the pride of the French navy, is currently berthed in France after being brought back from India in 2006 amid concerns over her toxic elements.

Public interest

Jean Kennedy, of the Friends of Hartlepool group, said: "The HSE has made a special exception to allow this toxic ghost ship and its deadly cargo into our local community.

"We feel that it is a deep injustice to force a small town, which has already disproportionately suffered the ill-effects of polluting industries and has one of the highest cancer rates in the UK, to accept France's toxic waste."

Able UK caused an outcry when it brought four rusting US "ghost ships" to its dock five years ago.

After years of legal wrangling, Able won planning permission and a waste management licence to allow it to break up ships at its Graythorpe facility.

Phil Shiner, from Public Interest Lawyers (PIL), said: "This challenge raises significant public-interest environmental issues where the HSE has clearly failed to follow their own policy on granting exemptions to health and safety legislation."

A HSE spokesman confirmed a challenge had been made, but said no other comment could be made until after the case.

The case is expected to be heard later this month.
Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/england/tees/7596199.stm

Published: 2008/09/03 13:51:17 GMT

Regards


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: eclaire on September 03, 2008, 06:02:47 pm
Another pointless delay - there is probably more asbestos in disused factories in and around Hartlepool than Clemenceau will bring in and the area needs the jobs ABLE will provide.

Whats the betting she wont be able to get over here  this year now (assuming the legal chellenge fails) as the bad weather will soon set in
claire:-}


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: JonHare on September 03, 2008, 10:04:45 pm
http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/11th-hour-bid-to-block.4452471.jp

Got in and saw the paper. Now there's a surprise. It always is her name that is cropping up. I can see her case being thrown out, I hope Able UK will press her for damages and lost revenue and allow the good people of Hartlepool who in the over riding majority supports Able's plans. Many residents who are wanting jobs that are going to be available. Also a consideration is that this is welcomed, especially in the current econnomic climate. Hartlepool can become a Gold town with work like this being pumped into the local economy.

There are many asbestos removal persons trained that live in Hartlepool and that have to travel to the London area, just to find work. I have met many of them and they are saying that they look forward to working at Able when they go ahead.
So as for saying that there are no trained people to do the work, that is a load of rubbish, many are having to spend there earnings just to travel round for work in the field.

Honestly, I cannot see for any reason why the need to put blocks in the way  on the work pushing forward. Im just sick to death of these un-informed people who think they know what they are talking about.


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: JonHare on September 03, 2008, 11:05:12 pm
http://www.liverpooldailypost.co.uk/liverpool-life-features/capital-of-culture/2008/09/01/liverpool-prepares-to-greet-a-royal-navy-armada-64375-21647817/2/

Found this link on another thread. I think HMS Intrepid was one of the ships Able UK, were wanting to land for TERRC's Graythorpe Yard. But due to constant set back, I think in the end that the contract for her scrapping went elsewhere. It is a shame as TERRC would of seen a dozen or so ships totally dismantled and recycled by now, with £millions pumped into the local economy.


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: C on September 04, 2008, 01:29:34 pm
They should bring the clem up here asap.


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Guest on September 04, 2008, 03:45:18 pm
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Miya wrote:
They should bring the clem up here asap.


Hi Miya

Yes its a real shame for Able UK Ltd who must have thought they had dealt with and won all of the environmental challenges that have been raised. It must be costing them a fortune to represent themselves in the Courts.

Regards


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: JonHare on September 04, 2008, 09:34:59 pm
http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/Able-boss-blasts-Le-Clem.4457633.jp

Able UK's response in the Hartlepool Mail.


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: JonHare on September 04, 2008, 10:33:41 pm
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Miya wrote:
They should bring the clem up here asap.


I couldn't agree more.

As some are able to sense that these un-informed protesters are really making my blood boil.

Just across the river at Wilton there are plans for the Northern Gateway Container Terminal (NGCT) & an Oil Refinery, capable of processing 200,000 barrels of oil aday.

These projects will mean the Tees being dredged deeper, for larger and loads more ships to enter dock. These could have more of an Environmental impact than what Able UK's TERRC plans would have. But I have not heard one wisper of protest about the Wilton plans. Are they that focused on trying to derail Able UK's TERRC facility, that they are missing on what is going on the other side of the Tees, which could pose more of an impact than TERRC. I think Double Standards are being involved.

Most people who know me, knows how passionate I am about Hartlepool. In fact some have said that I was the one that helped clinch the Tall Ships Race for Hartlepool.
I am an avid supporter for Able UK's TERRC facility, NGCT & the Oil Refinery. As I know how much they will impact on the economies of the area. Which will reap the benefits for years to come.

Also I know that with these projects that the Environment will be better catered for. By means of Company policies with regards to the environment, also the funding that will come from these companies to support local and regional wildlife & environmental projects. So in essence the Natural Environment will benefit hugely as a consequence (I really don't want to use that word. But a word that is similar but as a gain not a pain like consequence sounds, if ya catch my drift) to the setting up of these industries. Hope you can read what I am trying to put across, even though some of the words are a little confusing.

Just is the passion that I have, it is sometimes confusing to try and find the right words to say what I mean.  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: JonHare on September 06, 2008, 12:19:16 pm
Able UK, Clem to stay in France untill her future is decided.

Hartlepool Mail
http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/Court-bid-to-sink-Le.4464459.jp


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: C on September 09, 2008, 06:58:01 pm
Hi JonHare,                                                                                                I understand where you are coming from.  Alot of people (in the hundreds) would gain jobs at the Terrc site,i just wish that they would let Able Uk get on and dismantle the ships (including "Le Clem").     Kennedy goes on about there being a high cancer rate in Hartlepool,if it is already high then how much higher is "Le Clem" going to make it be,would it be the safe removing of the Asbestos or may be any PCB's that the ships hold or maybe the safe disposal of these so called toxin's that would make the cancer rate higher.             What about the Power station or may of the other chemical plants could they not be more of threat to the enviroment? at least Able Uk don't polute the skies.           There is so much more that grates my cheese, but i think i have said enough.     Regards Miya


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: JonHare on September 10, 2008, 12:21:45 am
Hi Miya,
Thanks for understanding where I was coming from.
With reference to her comments.

The main reasons for the high cancer rates in Hartlepool and the North East are.

1) Smoking and passive smoking.
2) Bygone Industries- where there wasn't any health controls over the substances. Including buildings built eg schools etc with hazardous substances.
3) Sun and Sunbeds
4) Unhealthy lifestyles.

These are the main reasons. With smoking and Bygone Industries affecting the over 40s heavily.
Now the main points for cancer rates in the under 40s are mainly down to Smoking and Sun/ Sunbeds.
I assume reasons along these lines are out there somewhere.

I can't see how the asbestos being landfilled while have an impact to cancer rates. Especially when it will be taken off and stored in as safe an environment as could be asked.


Title: Re: ABLE UK
Post by: JonHare on September 18, 2008, 12:36:22 am
Had a drive past TERRC earlier. I have noticed a huge warehouse has now been put up. Also I have noticed an addition to the fleet of vessels there. What looks to be like an ex RNLI Lifeboat or Pilot vessel is high and dry on the yard. I was driving so wasn't able to see clearly what it was, but from a quick glance it did not have any markings on her. Will try to get a drive past for a better luck sometime this week/ weekend.

Also a large trench has been dug, wether this is foundations for another building or railway lines or equiptment I don't know. But the Yard is certainly coming on strong now.


Title: Re: ABLE UK
Post by: JonHare on September 18, 2008, 12:41:47 am
Hartlepool Mail
http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/Driver-injured-in-crane-accident.4497077.jp

Crane Driver injured in accident at TERRC. It involved a crane doing pile driving. The picture shown doesn't show it clearly. But the crane involved is just below the scoop of the digger, on its side.


Title: Re: ABLE UK
Post by: JonHare on September 18, 2008, 10:43:02 am
The Northern Echo
Thursday 18th September

MEP hits out at critics of plans to break up ships

North East MEP Stephen Hughes has criticised "a not in my backyard mentality" over plans by Able UK for their TERRC, Graythorpe Yard.

More info on this story can be found in The Northern Echo. I will try later to see if they have put it up on their site, when I get back in from work.


Title: Re: ABLE UK
Post by: JonHare on September 18, 2008, 11:06:38 am
Just going to post some stories from The Evening Gazzette from the past month or so. Since I haven't posted from the Gazzette for a while.

Inquiry after crane falls at Hartlepool Yard
http://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/teesside-breaking-news/2008/09/17/inquiry-after-crane-falls-at-hartlepool-yard-84229-21838007/

http://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/teesside-news/2008/09/18/safety-officials-are-continuing-inquiries-after-a-crane-overturned-at-able-uk-s-graythorp-yard-84229-21846130/


Fresh ghost ship protest
http://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/teesside-news/2008/06/10/fresh-ghost-ship-protest-84229-21049622/
In this story it is.
Able UK has been in negotiations to scrap and recycle at least five more ships from the UK at its Graythorp site, near Hartlepool, along with one from Europe.

Interesting as to what these 5 UK vessels will be.


Fight to stop scrapping of the Clem on the Tees
http://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/teesside-news/2008/09/05/fight-to-stop-scrapping-of-french-vessel-clemenceau-on-tees-84229-21677340/


Title: Re: ABLE UK
Post by: andeedob on September 18, 2008, 11:48:51 am
Re- The lifeboat on site The Sunderland Echo reported that the damaged Dunbar Lifeboat was to be taken to TERRC, for further inspection/assesment: Quote-"During the early hours of March 23, ferocious storms caused the RNLI's Dunbar lifeboat, Sir Ronald Pechell Bt, to break her moorings near the power station and be driven onto rocks. Damage to the £1.5 million Trent class lifeboat (similar to that based at Sunderland until 2004) may result in her being beyond economical repair. Coincidentally, Terra Marique's destination on leaving the Wear was Torness power station, where she was due to load a routine shipment from British Energy's docking facility for Hartlepool power station. She was also engaged to convey the damaged lifeboat to Teesside Environmental Reclamation and Recycling Centre at Graythorp, where she arrived last Friday".


Title: Re: ABLE UK
Post by: JonHare on September 18, 2008, 07:36:51 pm
Thanks for that. I thought it was a lifeboat. Will try to get a good look at somepoint in the next few days.


Title: Re: ABLE UK
Post by: JonHare on September 21, 2008, 05:33:41 pm
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andeedob wrote:
Re- The lifeboat on site The Sunderland Echo reported that the damaged Dunbar Lifeboat was to be taken to TERRC, for further inspection/assesment: Quote-"During the early hours of March 23, ferocious storms caused the RNLI's Dunbar lifeboat, Sir Ronald Pechell Bt, to break her moorings near the power station and be driven onto rocks. Damage to the £1.5 million Trent class lifeboat (similar to that based at Sunderland until 2004) may result in her being beyond economical repair. Coincidentally, Terra Marique's destination on leaving the Wear was Torness power station, where she was due to load a routine shipment from British Energy's docking facility for Hartlepool power station. She was also engaged to convey the damaged lifeboat to Teesside Environmental Reclamation and Recycling Centre at Graythorp, where she arrived last Friday".


Yes it is RNLB Sir Ronald Pechell Bt, this afternoon I had gone armed with my camera to the bridge to get some shots, shame the weather couldn't of been a bit brighter. Got some shots of the yard to show how far along it has come. I will sort the pics out a bit later and put them on my site.


Title: Re: ABLE UK
Post by: JonHare on September 26, 2008, 09:43:21 pm
Here are some views of how Graythorpe Yard is coming on, there are still new buildings springing up nearly at about 1 a week. Come this time next month, Graythorpe Yard will have totally been transformed.

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I decided to put the pics on via Imageshack instead of my website, due to the quality of the images. This was down to dodgy weather when I took the pics. Hope you can see the difference in the transformation of the yard.

Just gone past today and yet another framework of a building is going up.
Still no indication on the ground as to where the railway sidings are to be installed. Hopefully not to long. Can't wait ;-)  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Re: ABLE UK
Post by: JonHare on September 30, 2008, 12:35:13 am
Protesters in High Court hearing.

Hartlepool Mail
http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/Campaigners-wait-on-Clemenceau-decision.4537199.jp

Teesside Evening Gazette
http://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/teesside-news/2008/09/29/bid-to-stop-scrapping-of-french-aircraft-carrier-84229-21922166/


Title: Re: ABLE UK
Post by: Guest on September 30, 2008, 07:55:26 am
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Hi Jon

Perhaps the protesters (are they really Hartlepool folk?) should take a look at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TBCtA5ec3c

Regards


Title: Re: ABLE UK
Post by: andeedob on September 30, 2008, 08:53:30 am
Daily Telegraph - A judge has dismissed campaigners' calls for a full judicial review'.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/3105037/French-warship-laden-with-asbestos-to-be-dismantled-in-UK.html


Title: Re: ABLE UK
Post by: JonHare on September 30, 2008, 09:49:17 am
Just read the story in the Northern Echo.

Hartlepool Mail's story on the case.
http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/Warship-set-be-scrapped-in.4541223.jp


Now that is great news to hear.
Now the next question is When is the Clem coming in?

But I don't think that will be the last we hear from this pair of protesters.


Title: Re: ABLE UK
Post by: Nathan on September 30, 2008, 02:47:25 pm
Another victory for ABLE!

Maybe she will be down next month?

Regards, Nathan


Title: Re: ABLE UK
Post by: JonHare on September 30, 2008, 09:46:03 pm
I would think now the case has cleared. Preperations would take maybes about a week. Then set sail, so I would reckon maybes 3 or 4 weeks before she will be due. So the first few days would be ideal for me as I have 4 days off that weekend. Or 23/24 October. Any of them days for docking would be great for me.  :lol:

As Able will be wanting it docked as soon as possible so to complete the cofferdam across the dock entrance. For dismantling work to begin. I would say at the earliest about mid November- December that they will be wanting to start dismantling work. With the amount of building work going on in the yard it looks like mid- late November would be likely to have been completed, so scrapping could of been started.

Reading the articles in the media, responses from the 2 protesters say that they have been involved with cancer, one of there fathers died after cancer due to Asbestos exposure. So they say they know what the are talking about. But if the father was exposed to Asbestos years ago, before regulations were inplemented about the use and working with the stuff came into force. Then that is where their judgement is clouded.

Nowadays with so many regulations in place with regards to Asbestos and working with it. The risk has been pretty much diminished, with proper care taken on its use and disposal, there is hardly any health risk posed.


Title: Re: ABLE UK
Post by: JonHare on October 01, 2008, 10:59:05 am
Just got off the phone with a mate of mine. Something that was interesting to hear, is that there is something else due this month other than the Clem. Is there another rig, or rig section(s) coming? I was intrigued by what he had said. I don't know how accurate this is, but is this food for thought?

Any ideas?


Title: Re: ABLE UK
Post by: JonHare on October 01, 2008, 09:02:23 pm
Hartlepool Mail

Clem arrival is just a matter of weeks away

Clem could be at TEERC by early November
http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/Clemenceau-arrival-just-weeks-away.4542530.jp


Title: Re: ABLE UK
Post by: john dunn on October 01, 2008, 09:09:15 pm
hi there all yes i cant wait to see the Clemenceau come in and see will have to keep check up on here for any more news


Title: Re: ABLE UK
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on October 01, 2008, 09:40:03 pm
excellent topic , now 22 pages long , lets keep this one going.


Title: Re: ABLE UK
Post by: JonHare on October 02, 2008, 10:09:40 am
Able UK's press release about the High Court verdict.
http://www.ableuk.com/pressreleases.shtml


Title: Re: ABLE UK
Post by: JonHare on October 02, 2008, 11:16:24 pm
Just been looking around on the web about the Clem and Able UK.

I came across this little gem. Back from July
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article4249526.ece

It is not the story that was humorous. It is in the comments that have made me laugh.


Title: Re: ABLE UK
Post by: JonHare on October 03, 2008, 07:35:53 pm
A couple from the letters page of the Hartlepool Mail

Disposing of asbestos
http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/letters/Disposing-of-asbestos.4550350.jp

Questions answered regarding asbestos
http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/letters/Questions-answered-regarding-asbestos.4556107.jp


Title: Re: ABLE UK
Post by: JonHare on October 12, 2008, 06:23:28 pm
Things seemed to have gone quiet on this front. Anyone have any updates as regard to the Clem. As if she is due at TERRC early November, I would think she will be setting sail within the next fortnight at least.



I have been doing some searching the net to see if I could find any more info, but as yet not a lot already known.

One news page story that I have just found regarding the Clem is:
http://www.fairhome.co.uk/2008/07/03/ship-too-toxic-for-india-sent-to-uk/
http://www.recycle.co.uk/news/756000.html

A nice areial shot of TERRC with the story.
http://www.baird-online.com/index.php?id=868CB8BBF3FD4274CA25748000264021&pid=0119A640BE91D10FCA257268001AE4BF

Another story on that site shows why Able UK's TERRC facility is so important.
http://www.baird-online.com/index.php?id=6F14AF997F4FEE79CA2574DD0003183E&pid=0119A640BE91D10FCA257268001AE4BF

http://living.aol.co.uk/homes-and-property/go-green/firm-to-dismantle-toxic-ship/article/20080702044109990004


A couple of interesting Documents from a couple of years ago, which highlighted the confusion that surrounded Able UK's TERRC plans.

DEFRA Committee Inquiry Into US "Ghost Ships"
http://www.environment-agency.gov.uk/commondata/acrobat/efra_com_evidence_630119.pdf

Environment Agency- US NAVAL VESSELS- Lessons Learnt Review (from April 2004)
http://www.defra.gov.uk/Environment/waste/topics/hazwaste/usnavalships-reviews/pdf/ea-review.pdf


Title: Re: ABLE UK
Post by: JonHare on October 16, 2008, 11:48:22 pm
I have been googl'ing the net and came across this site. It is in French.
http://www.netmarine.net/bat/porteavi/clem/departoulon.htm

There are plenty of pics of the Clem of the past few years. At the bottom of the page there is a mention of the update regarding the Clem to be scrapped in England by Able UK.


Also this story of Heerema completing 1st phase of NW Hutton removal
http://www.oilpubs.com/oso/article.asp?v1=7775


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Nathan on October 17, 2008, 11:09:04 pm
Hi all,

A update on the carrier, thanks to MichBriez!

The tug, 'Anglian Earl' will be the tug bringing her down. Here is the story along with a picture (in French): Click here. (http://www.brest.maville.com/Un-costaud-pour-remorquer-l-ex-Clemenceau-/re/actudet/actu_loc-724173------_actu.html)

Regards


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Guest on October 18, 2008, 07:34:48 am
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coatham wrote:
Hi all,

A update on the carrier, thanks to MichBriez!

The tug, 'Anglian Earl' will be the tug bringing her down. Here is the story along with a picture (in French): Click here.

Regards


Hi Nathan

'Loose Translation' using an online translator is:

Preparations are under way for the ultimate trip of the ancient aircraft carriers towards England. The tug Anglian Earl will be made responsible for bringing it to good harbour.

Unless an inversion of last minute situation, the ex-Clemenceau will join very England shortly. The Klyne Tugs de Lowestoft society, in Suffolk, is loaded with the operation of towing.

On Wednesday, his technicians were present in Brest. They examined the ex-Clemenceau to cause technical means to implement to tow it.

The tug Anglian Earl will take care of the ancient aircraft carriers. The operation of towing for the English construction site should last four days.

Constructed in Netherlands in 1987 under the name of Maersk Logger for the Danish company Maersk, Anglian Earl is a solid tug of open sea, anchoring and provision. Along 69,70 m, equipped with 2 motors Mak of a complete potency of 12 000 horses, he shows a force of traction in the fixed point of 140 tonnes.

Founded in 1892, the Klyne Tugs society refers in the world of towing very as Honeybees. It was kept by British Coastguards to help ships in trouble. Four of his tugs are permanently positioned in strategical places around the sides of United Kingdom.

On the side of the naval prefecture of Atlantic, they confirm that jobs are under way with the aim of the equipment of Q790, official name of the ancient aircraft carriers. It is a question of installing electricity aboard, fires of navigation or else GPS.

Clem' will perform its last trip for the construction site of dismantling of INDUSTRIALIST ABLE UK, located near Hartlepool, in the northeast of the country.

In what date will the ancient aircraft carriers leave Brest? « Rather fast, as it is answered the naval prefecture. But no date is still fixed. » From his part, Christian Bucher, from the association of Brest AE2D, believes knowledge that the kept date is on November 6th.

outefois, the way of the ancient aircraft carriers towards England is not still completely clear on juridical plan. Yesterday, the English opponents in his visit won smallly. The Friends of Hartlepool association was authorized to call after the rejection of its appeal on September 29th of this year, by the High Court of Justice of London.

Friends of Hartlepool considers illegal infringement granted to import the 770 tonnes of materials amiantés which contains the ex-Clemenceau. Their call will be examined in a date which is not determined yet.

« Now that our case is under way of exam, we are going to write in all parties to acquire insurance that the ship will stay in Brest until the file is cut, here, by Justice », points out Gavin Sullivan, lawyer of the Friends of Hartlepool

Regards


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: JonHare on October 18, 2008, 04:33:06 pm
Looks like the women are putting another stumbling block in the way of the Clem arrival.
http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/New-bid-in-ghost-warship.4606171.jp

Peter Stephenson is saying it looks like they will be targeting the end of November to bring the Clem over.


Sounds good enough for me as I'm off the last week of November/ first few days in December.  
;-)  :lol:


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Guest on October 20, 2008, 02:44:46 pm
Quote

JonHare wrote:
Looks like the women are putting another stumbling block in the way of the Clem arrival.
http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/New-bid-in-ghost-warship.4606171.jp

Peter Stephenson is saying it looks like they will be targeting the end of November to bring the Clem over.


Sounds good enough for me as I'm off the last week of November/ first few days in December.  
;-)  


Hi Jon

This piece from this mornings Northern Echo doesn't sound too hopeful for an early delivery of the AC to the Tees - after all the wheels of justice turn slowly!

Courtesy of http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/3773617.Court_of_Appeal_to_hear_French_ship_case/

'Court of Appeal to hear French ship case

1:57pm Monday 20th October 2008

Plans to allow an asbestos-contaminated French aircraft carrier into the UK for dismantling are to be challenged in the Court of Appeal.

The Clemenceau, once the flagship of the French navy, was considered too toxic for Indian breakers yards and is now destined for Graythorp, near Hartlepool, Co Durham, to be broken up by Able UK.

But campaign group Friends of Hartlepool (FOH), acting through lawfirm Public Interest Lawyers, has won the right to challenge a High Court decision which allowed the project to go ahead.

No date has been set for the appeal hearing, but the ship is expected to remain in France until the case has been decided.

Jean Kennedy, of FOH, said lawyers would argue that the decision of the Health and Safety Executive to allow the importation of the Clemenceau and its carcinogenic cargo was unlawful.

Solicitor Gavin Sullivan said: We have asked Able UK to undertake not to take any steps to import this ship into Hartlepool until the court has made its decision.

Obviously, should Able seek to try to bring this ship from France regardless, we will consider seeking directions from the court to prevent them from doing so.

Iris Ryder, another member of FOH, said: This is a fantastic result for the people of Hartlepool and takes us one step closer to preventing this toxic waste from being imported and dumped in our community.

People and groups on both sides of the Channel are rightly asking serious questions about the safety of Ables proposals.

The Clemenceau, now known as Hull Q790, is estimated to contain 760 tonnes of asbestos and 330 tonnes of polychlorinated biphenyls (PCBs).

It has been docked off the port of Brest in France since 2006 when the French government called it back from India in the wake of widespread protests.'

Regards


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: JonHare on October 20, 2008, 07:07:24 pm
Hartlepool Mail

Ghost Ship campaign stepped up
http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/Ghost-ship-campaign-stepped-up.4608566.jp

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The protestors told the Mail they were delighted with the support they received and hoped civic leaders would take notice of the strength of feeling for their cause.
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Do these people really underdstand what they are talking about. In Hartlepool the majority of the residents back Able UK's proposals.

Environmental Groups including Greenpeace & Friends of the Earth are also behind Able UK's plans.

I would love to attend a meeting with these people who think they know everything.

Which groups either side of the Channel have concerns and Questions over Able UK's plans. You will find that there are hardly any major groups against the plans but are FOR.

Oh my blood is boiling again other their delay tactics. I think Im going to set up a TERRC supporters group up on Facebook. Im sure there will be loads joining to support.  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: JonHare on October 20, 2008, 08:18:27 pm
I have just set up the group on Facebook, please join and voice your support for Able UK's plans.

Supporters of Able UK's plans for scrapping ships & marine structures
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=41463439065&ref=mf

Teesside Environmental Reclamation & Recycling Centre (TERRC), Graythorp Yard, Hartlepool.

This group has been set up to allow people who back Able UK's plans for safe and environmentally friendly scrapping and refurbishing of Ships & Marine structures at its Graythorp Yard on the outskirts of Hartlepool.

This facility will provide safe and environmental centre for scrapping of Ships and Marine structures. The benefits will also help the need for ships heading to other places in the world to be ran ashore onto a beach and scrapped. Thus TERRC will helping to protect the natural environment, with its dry dock facility to scrap ships and marine structures without causing pollution or harming the Natural Environment.

The plans when in full operation will give the local and regional economies of the North East of England a great boost. With loads of jobs and spin off jobs being created, with the current economic downturn.


So please join up and show your support to the safe and environmental friendly facility for dismatling Ships & Marine structures.


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on October 27, 2008, 08:50:38 pm
I Dont know what is happening to  the scrap metal prices , but today I had a job to remove 16 roller shutters and then make good to the surroundig area. 4 weaks ago I did a similiar job and remove 12 shutters of exact same size, to get shot of the shutters I decided to weigh them in at the local scrap recycling centre Scrap yard) I received the sum of £40 for 400 KG which equates to £100 per ton.

Today we took the 16 shutters and we were expecting about £60 as it was a bit more weight infact there was 600 kilos.

Guess what we got?  £12 which works out at £20 per ton!! unbeleveable.

My point I am making is this :-

Will the decline in the market values for scrap affect Able??

I think it must have a very big impact on cash flow , but then again they could always do what big scrap companys do and stockpile the scrap until the price rises to a decent level.

Here is a link to a website that shows what the current prices are for various metals, it also shows what the price was 7 days previous. If you look at aluminium cans they were paying £95 per ton, it is now down to £10... ouch

Regards
Cawky


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: JonHare on October 27, 2008, 11:12:57 pm
There is a pile of scrap behind the two main towers of the rig sections, looks to be from the gutting of the insides of the rig sections.

From what I have heard is that China has dramtically reduced its import of scrap. Which could tie in with less demand after building of the Olympic Games. And that they have cancelled a number of imports of scrap even those that are on route.

Also tie this into the current economic downturn with large amount of uncertainty has helped fuel the dramatic fall in the price of scrap.

Worlwide economics are very unstable in the current period.

Also one person has said that the prices are getting to a stage where you will have to pay the Scrapman to scrap something. This thinking could actually help Able UK.

But just thinking is that all these uninformed protestors actions in delaying TERRC hasn't helped, as Able UK have missed the boat so to speak in the record scrap price levels. If they were able to start well before now they could of done a whole load of ships, helping the local economy with a huge boost.


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on October 28, 2008, 08:10:22 am
Hi Jon,

The man on the weighbridge did say to me that  the next time I go back he will be probably  paying me in balloons!
Regards


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: andeedob on October 28, 2008, 09:50:08 am
Local news reports that an application to move the vessel in accordance with waste shipments regulations has been submitted:
Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Nathan on October 28, 2008, 06:35:06 pm
Hi All,

'North East Tonight' this evening had a quick story on the Clem, at the end it said ABLE hope to have it here by the end of November.

Regards


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: JonHare on October 28, 2008, 06:55:29 pm
Yes it is very good news to hear that the French have put applications in, for the Clem to move to Hartlepool.

But Im am fuming that the protestors are in the town centre getting petitions signed.

If I wasn't busy with work I would be down there with petitions to support the proposals. lol

This is one reason why I have have set up the supporters Groups on Facebook & flickr. So please spread the word. Im wondering if it is worth putting the groups forward into the media. lol


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Guest on October 29, 2008, 06:17:58 pm
Quote

cawky wrote:
I Dont know what is happening to  the scrap metal prices , Cawky


Hi Brian

Found this piece on the Net - gives the view point from Bangladesh where as you will know many ships end their lives:

http://www.thedailystar.net/story.php?nid=61015
Prices of steel, materials down
Kawsar Khan

Rods are being carried to a construction site. The price of 40-grade MS (mild steel) rod now stands at Tk 40,000 a tonne in the local market, while the cost of 60-grade steel rod is around Tk 58,000. Photo: STAR
Prices of steel and its raw materials have fallen sharply in the local market on the international market price-drop resulted from the construction work slumps globally in the wake of the ongoing recession.

The sector people think the construction market slumps coupled with the fall in demand for their produces now cost them dearly.

They also blamed the slow pace of the government's annual development programme (ADP) for the slide in local demand.

Official data shows only 9 per cent of the Tk 256 billion ADP has been implemented during July-September period of the current fiscal (2008-09).

In the local market, breakable ship was selling around US$250 a tonne and scrap around $380 a tonne yesterday, which were $600 and $700 two months back.

They are to sell the items at a rate 30-50 percent below the production and import costs, which is leading them to a vulnerable situation, according to manufacturers and importers.

They said the price of 40-grade MS (mild steel) rod stands at Tk 40,000 a tonne in the local market, while the cost of 60-grade steel rod is around Tk 58,000.

"The products that we are selling at lower rates were imported at higher prices earlier. But the price-drop in the international market has forced us to sell the products at a loss," said Alihussain Akberali, chairman and managing director of BSRM, the largest steel bar manufacturer in the country.

Asked about the reason why they were selling their produces at a rate below the cost of production, Alihussain said it was a natural market trend that they had to hike prices in advance when international prices went high and vise versa.

"We have no control over the international market, but the government can save us by accelerating its ADP implementation pace, which will result in the rise in local demand for steel bars," said Masudul Haque Masud, general secretary of Bangladesh Re-Rolling Mills Association.

Meanwhile, the ship breakers' association recently sent a letter to the Ministry of Industries where it pointed out that the ship breakers, who have a stock of around 10 lakh tones, are losing around Tk 10,000 by selling scrap at the present market price.

In a separate letter sent to the Chief Adviser, Bangladesh Steel Mill Owners Association said the sector would loss around Tk 1,000 crore by selling their 5 lakh tonnes reserved MS rod.

The steel mill owners and ship breakers urged the government to provide strong support to face the tough situation.

Regards


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: JonHare on November 01, 2008, 02:13:34 pm
Environment Agency

http://www.environment-agency.gov.uk/commondata/acrobat/5aceupdate_2077846.pdf
(1st July 2008)
Chief Executive's Update On Key Topics

Towards the bottom of page 6, section 11 is about updates to Able UK.


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: JonHare on November 04, 2008, 12:38:06 am
I have just been going through the Tees Alliance Group Ltd (TAG) website.
http://www.teesag.com/

A very interesting read, with modules for the Oban B rig being transported out of the assembley hall at Haverton Hill. While reading about the Oban B, the hull for the rig is being built in Russia and to arrive onto the Tees in the first quarter of 2009, for assembly of the top structures to take place before sea going testing once complete before handover to Seadragon.

What strikes me is on the TAG website (under facilities) highlights TERRC. The Graythorp Facility is a deep water integration and decomissioning facility.


So thinking back to my mate who said there was another Rig coming to TERRC. Adding 2 and 2 together, is making me think that this other Rig is going to be the Oban B and integration work done at Graythorp.

Is this with my placing of various bits of information linked into my mate's comment, fitting into the correct jigsaw or am I trying to fit it into the wrong jigsaw.


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: JonHare on November 04, 2008, 01:04:22 am
From the HSE

Chronology of events in case of Able UK exemption to Asbestos (Prohibitions) Regulations

http://www.hse.gov.uk/aboutus/meetings/hscarchive/2003/091203/misc36a.pdf

Information regarding Ghost Ships. Emails between UK and USA.
http://www.hse.gov.uk/foi/releases/ghostships.pdf


From the Health and Safety Commission

Cross- Government initiative on ship recycling
http://www.hse.gov.uk/aboutus/meetings/hscarchive/2004/071204/c137.pdf


Minutes from HSC meeting 5th August 2003. Able UK section 6 in the minutes.
http://www.hse.gov.uk/aboutus/meetings/hscarchive/2003/160903/cm08.pdf


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: JonHare on November 04, 2008, 01:30:38 am
HSE links for Clemenceau

Press Release
http://www.hse.gov.uk/press/2008/gnnne24508.htm

HSE Board Meeting 17th July 2008. Able UK top of page 2.
http://www.hse.gov.uk/aboutus/meetings/hseboard/2008/170708/b38.pdf

HSE Board Meeting 18th June 2008. Able UK bottom of page 2/ top page 3.
http://www.hse.gov.uk/aboutus/meetings/hseboard/2008/180608/b31.pdf


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: JonHare on November 04, 2008, 01:44:07 am
Can't believe I have just read a news report that had people showing their support for the Clem coming to the UK.
http://www.dawn.com/2008/07/02/int17.htm

Quote
Environmentalists on Tuesday welcomed the planned transfer to Britain.
Quote


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: JonHare on November 04, 2008, 01:59:19 am
Bringing up an old new story from the Hartlepool Mail.
Able UK: "Wrangle has cost £300m"
19th June 2007
http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news?articleid=2963503


A question is with the amount of work that has been lost, and on hold since the saga started. Going by that price of lost work in the June 2007 article, nearly a year and a half later. I would think that figure could be up towards £400m if not £500m, due to the high scrap metal prices from a few months ago, before the slump in prices.

Now they are very worrying figures when looking back over the saga.


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Michel FLOCH on November 06, 2008, 09:35:09 am
Hello to all

Today, the newspaper Ouest-France announces that the ex--Clemenceau, would be unfit any more to be towed and that France could have a plan(shot) B for her.

See details here:

http://www.brest.maville.com/actu/actudet_-Ex-Clemenceau-le-mysterieux-plan-B-de-la-Marine-_loc-740517_actu.Htm

Good day to all.

Michel


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Guest on November 06, 2008, 10:00:19 am
Quote


Rough English Translation of article:

Ex-Clemenceau: mysterious plan B of Navy

Is there a resolution of spare if the ancient aircraft carriers cannot rally Great Britain? Officially, no. What does not exclude semiofficial contacts.

Will leave, will leave not? The fate of the ex-Clemenceau is hanging in the decision which will take English justice. The Court Of appeal of London will examine November 13th of this year appeal introduces by the association Friends of Hartlepool. His judgement should be rather quick.
But and then they learn that the ex-Clemenceau, or rather cockle Q790, would not be in a fit state any more to take back the sea! " Ex-Clemenceau takes water by the sheeting of cockle and sternpost. This ship cannot therefore be towed any more in complete safety towards the parking of old ships in Hartelpool called for the circumstance « construction site of déconstruction » », asserts the Mor Glaz association.

Pomps would have aboard been installed. Jean-Paul Hellequin, spokesman of Mor Glaz, wonders about possibility for the Centre of security of the ships to issue a certificate of navigability in cockle. « It begins worrying Navy », he asserts.

Does the Navy study a « plan B »? It is also what thinks knowledge Jean-Paul Hellequin. According to him, « a meeting was held in the naval prefecture of Brest October 24th, 2008 to reflect and to set up a resolution for déconstruire the ex-Clemenceau in France, even in Brest ». Concrete proposals would have been made in national Navy.

These media gesticulations of Jean-Paul Hellequin are not really the taste of Navy. The commander Bertrand Hudault, the officer loaded with public relations, does not hesitate to tax them " of rantings ". Concerning the state of Q790, it has no doubt. " This cockle is capable to be towed. She can leave with a very short notice without any problem. "

On the second point, the commander Hudault is also definite. " There has never been meeting October 24th in the naval prefecture. There is not plan B. "

Really, Navy works well to make leave the ex-Clemenceau towards Great Britain. At the end of October, it forwarded the English Agency of environment a request of approval of cross-border transfer for "waste product " Q790.

Organism has 30 days to answer. Her approval will be valid 12 months. They also know that technicians of the society of towing Klyne Tugs de Lowestoft went to Brest some time in October.

All the same. During semiofficial contacts, it seems well that they recall at present what resembles a « plan B », even if it does not carry the name. It was so case on October 24th. But not in the naval prefecture.

According to our information, they begin so seriously being concerned, that is to say at Parisian level, about an alternative resolution in high places if the English lane evades. Yesterday, we tried to contact the Ministry of Defence on this subject. Without result.

In case of fault of Able UK, two French industrialists seem ready-made to take over to dismantle the ex-Clemenceau. Veolia has for it of his site of dismantling of Bassens, near Bordeaux; sweat, across his subsidiary Sita, favour the cloth of local firms rather to lead this type of operations.

Rergards


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Michel FLOCH on November 08, 2008, 07:48:36 am
More comments about the ex-Clemenceau here :

http://www.letelegramme.com/gratuit/generales/economie/ex-clemenceau-la-coque-ne-vaut-plus-un-clou-20081108-4131771_1525452.php.

Regards

Michel


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Guest on November 08, 2008, 09:25:43 am
Quote


Hi Michel

The article discusses the falling cost of scrap metal and whether it is economical for Able UK to demolish the vessel given the fact that the money paid to the French Government was based on 2007 prices.

Regards


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on November 08, 2008, 11:46:23 am
Quote


A translation:-
Reception> Economy  
Economy      

Ex-Clemenceau. Cockle is not worth a nail anymore
Is it lucrative of déconstruire the ex-Clemenceau at a price admitted in 2007? While the medium lesson of the scrap metal was divided by four or five since July, is the contract taken down by the English society Able still bearable?
Able UK had banked on upon a price of resale of the tonne wobbling between 350 and 400 euro while lesson has gone back down in 100 € today. A good many of industrialists
Lesson in the lowest
Worse, beyond the fall of lessons, recycled steel does not find purchaser anymore nowadays in a situation which is not ready to improve before last quarter 2009, according to the specialists of the giant ArcelorMittal.

« At least, actual lesson cannot lower advantage », Philippe Daniel tempers, president of the national labour union of scrap metal. « And they can imagine that a society with the financial standing of Able UK can dismantle, wait and sell one

Price to be seen again
Able UK tries nowadays to renegotiate the sum of the contract to Navy, while this last always refused an expression of review of price in case of fluctuation of the market. « It is your risk of industrialist, evolutions of the market are not our problem », the customer to the industrialists always beat. These same industrialists who had however tried to alert it on risks of a market which collapses and of a boat which more nobody wants to treat. O

It looks like there is more to follow on this story


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: JonHare on November 11, 2008, 09:49:21 pm
D-Day for Clem in Court

http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/Dday-in-court-for-Le.4678809.jp

The decision about the Clem coming to Hartlepool looks set to be heard in The Court of Appeal on Thursday. When the Friends Of Hartlepool (FOH) challenge the HSE decision to allow Clem to be imported to Hartlepool.


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: andeedob on November 13, 2008, 03:52:06 pm
And so it continues - Court in favour of HSE  http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/Ship-protesters-lose-their-court.4692614.jp


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: JonHare on November 13, 2008, 07:45:32 pm
http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/letters/Protesters-are-so-wrong.4689476.jp

Protesters are so wrong

A letter from a lady in Newark commenting on the group of protesters.


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: JonHare on November 13, 2008, 07:46:37 pm
Quote

andeedob wrote:
And so it continues - Court in favour of HSE  http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/Ship-protesters-lose-their-court.4692614.jp


Absolutely great news. Lets rock and roll now.


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Guest on November 13, 2008, 08:17:27 pm
Quote

JonHare wrote:
Absolutely great news. Lets rock and roll now.


Hi Jon

Take this with a pinch of salt (perhaps) but on local radio news they mentioned that the AC will not be arriving at the Tees until next Summer?

Regards


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: eclaire on November 13, 2008, 09:14:28 pm
I was quite suprised they published a pro-Able letter....!! I am sure the loony women will say it doesnt count as it is not a Hartlepool resident.....and of course the reply to that would be that I would love to live in Hartlepool, but sadly there are no jobs....

Hopefully if they have doubts about Clem's seaworthiness they will want to hurry up and get her over here before she deteriorates or the waether gets worse!
claire:-}


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: JonHare on November 13, 2008, 09:49:36 pm
The Northern Echo story.

http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/3846676.Campaigners_lose_appeal_over_scrapping_of_French_warship/

Teesside Evening Gazette story
http://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/teesside-breaking-news/2008/11/13/bid-fails-to-stop-aircraft-being-dismantled-on-teesside-84229-22252532/


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Michel FLOCH on November 14, 2008, 11:15:54 am
Hello to you all,
Last news of the ex-Clemenceau.
Two steps ahead one step behind…

Today in the regional newspaper :
http://www.letelegramme.com/gratuit/generales/regions/morbihan/ex-clemenceau-les-brestois-contre-attaquent-20081114-4171979_1533083.php

or  PDF

http://www.letelegramme.com/pdf_import/MHN2.pdf

Translated on line with Free online Translator :

<<
The Residents of Brest counter-attack

The Court of Appeal of London have just raised the legal obstacle preventing the arrival of the ex-Clemenceau in Hartlepool, in the North-East of England. But this green light is on the point of passing to the sharp red on the side of Brest.

Association “the friends of Hartlepool” will have used all its cartridges. Without result: déboutée in first authority, call rejected yesterday. The exemption from the regulation on asbestos granted by the English organization in charge with the health and the safety of the workers is completely valid, according to the British justice which returns in its cords the modest association opposed “on arrival of a stuffed ship of asbestos within its small city and its small community”.
Whereas the English opponents tried to make waver the authorization of importation of the ship, the relay is taken, Brest-native side, by a local association. The latter for submission to tackling the authorization of export of asbestos-covered products that is on the point of delivering France. “We will use all the possible legal means to prevent the departure of the hull towards a building site which does not seem to us worthy of confidence”, argued, yesterday evening, Christian Bucher, one of the spokesman Agir association for the environment and the durable development (AE2D).

“As soon as the Navy communicates its intention to make install the convoy, we will bring an action in summary procedure suspension near the administrative court of Rennes”, specified M E David Rajjou, already busy with the response.

At best in would a month

In how long the hull be likely to join England? The building site would like to take delivery of it before the end November. But how long will it be necessary for the British administration to draw up the documents which will start the authorizations French side? In the event of rejected recourse, Brest-native association will not be deprived of going in call, the times being one week to the maximum for the first decision and up to three to four weeks, in the event of call.
In the best of the cases, one does not see the hull leaving Brest before a good month. Unless French Justice longer blocks the ship by giving reason to those which estimate, in addition, that a die of déconstruction of military ships can see the day with the Breton point.>>>
 
Regards

Michel


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Michel FLOCH on November 14, 2008, 01:16:25 pm
Another article, published today in the Ouest-France newspaper.

http://www.brest.maville.com/actu/actudet_-L-ex-Clemenceau-attendu-pour-Noel-en-Angleterre-_loc-746130_actu.Htm.

Translated on line with Free online Translator :

<<
The British opponents definitively lost. Yesterday, the Court of Appeal of London rejected their ultimate recourse. The old aircraft carrier should accomplish its last voyage soon.

Friends of Hartlepool did not obtain profit of cause before the Court of Appeal of London. Yesterday afternoon, this jurisdiction rejected the ultimate recourse of these obstinate opponents to the dismantling of the ex-Clemenceau in Great Britain. The court confirmed the validity of the exemption granted to import into England asbestos-covered materials present aboard aircraft carrier old.

British side, this rejection closes the legal serial which had started with the advertisement of the arrival of Clemenceau. It is of course a major success for the industrialist charged to dismantle it, Able U.K. Yesterday, its chairman, Peter Stephenson, hid his pride to be able to attack the “more important project of recycling of ship never undertaken in a European building site”.

It is not the first time that Able U.K. dealt with Friends of Hartlepool. Those a long time succeeded in blocking the dismantling of four old American ships arrived in 2003 in its building site of Graythorp, located close to the town of Hartlepool. The Agency of the British environment delivered only June last with the industrialist the authorization to devote to an activity of waste recycling.

Able U.K. indicates that the hull Q790, name official of the ex-Clemenceau, “will arrive in its building site before the end of the year”. It announces that it invests 40 million books (46 million euros) in its installations. It is a question, in particular, of giving in state the “larger dry dock of the world”.

According to the industrialist, 70 people work already with the depollution and the déconstruction of old ships on the site. “Their number must go up to 200 with the arrival of Q790 and the completion of the dry dock. »

French side, also, the judgement of the Court of Appeal of London was awaited. From now on, the Navy can continue with more serenity the starting preparations of Clemenceau. The Agency of the British environment currently examines “on the bottom” the authorization of transborder transfer of “waste” Q790. “It has a few weeks to answer and to validate the request”, indicates the Navy.

Resort French side
After, it will still be necessary that the French State delivers an authorization of export of weaponry. The preparations of the hull, them, will take a “latest deadline for six weeks”. What brings us, indeed, around the end of the year.

The English will thus receive a Christmas present of a a little particular kind. Unless an ultimate legal bounce does not come to disturb this calendar.
Association Brest-native ecologist AE2D did not hide its intention to be opposed at the beginning ex-Clemenceau by depositing a recourse to the administrative court. “The recourse is ready, indicates to Me David Rajjou, the lawyer of association. We will attack in summary procedure as soon as the final authorizations of export are granted. »

AE2D intends to blame competences of the industrialist Able U.K. Association doubts its capacities to carry out the building site “by respecting the environmental standards”.
Before the clap of end of this interminable serial, a new appointment with the court thus awaits the ex-Clemenceau.>>>

To be continued...

Michel


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: JonHare on November 15, 2008, 08:58:09 pm
Press Release from Able UK on the Appeal Court decision for the Clem
http://www.ableuk.com/ableshiprecycling/press-able-081113.htm

Also in the release is mentioning about the construction of the semi submersible drilling rigs for SeaDragon Offshore.

The top sections are being built by Tees Alliance Group at Haverton Hill, and the Hulls being built in Russia. The first hull is expected to arrive at TERRC in the first quarter of 2009. TERRC is where the Top sides for the rig "Oban B" will be assembled to the Hulls. The top side sections will be moved from the yard at Haverton Hill to TERRC where they will be assembled onto the Hulls.

Interesting times ahead, as one rig is dismantled, another one is constructed.  :lol:


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: JonHare on November 18, 2008, 02:20:29 am
I have came across these reports from the Inquiry held in 2007. The documents are very interesting reading. I am suprised and shocked at some of the objections put forward by the protestors, which are contained within the reports.

Communities and Local Government
http://www.communities.gov.uk/planningandbuilding/planning/decisionsplanning/secretarystate/recentsecretary/hartlepoolghostships/

Secretary of State's Decision
http://www.communities.gov.uk/documents/planningandbuilding/pdf/hartlepoolghostships2042125.pdf


Report to the Secretary of State  for Communities and Local Government
Inspectors Report Hartlepool
http://www.communities.gov.uk/documents/planningandbuilding/pdf/inspectorsreporthartlepool.pdf


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: JonHare on November 20, 2008, 12:20:17 am
Another Document found.

House of Commons- Environment, Food and Rural Affairs

Memoranda

Letter to the Committee Clerk from Mr Peter Stephenson, Chief Executive of Able UK Ltd

United States 'Ghost' Ships

Select Committee Meeting 19th November 2003

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200203/cmselect/cmenvfru/uc1336/1336m06.htm


DEFRA
UK Ship Recycling Strategy
http://www.defra.gov.uk/environment/waste/strategy/ship.htm

Ship Recycle Stratergy Overview
http://www.defra.gov.uk/environment/waste/strategy/pdf/shiprecycle-strategy-overview.pdf

UK Ship Recycling Stratergy
Final Regulatory Impact Assessment
http://www.defra.gov.uk/environment/waste/strategy/pdf/shiprecycle-strategy-ria.pdf


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Guest on November 28, 2008, 11:06:25 am
Hi All

Spotted this in the Northern Echo - interesting that it indicates the AC may be arriving at the end of next month - article courtesy of http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/3933210.Plans_approved_to_scrap_ship_in_region/

"Plans approved to scrap ship in region

7:44am Friday 28th November 2008

PLANS to scrap a controversial French aircraft carrier in the region have been approved by the Environment Agency.

The Le Clemenceau is expected to arrive at Able UK’s Seaton Port TERRC facility before the end of next month – depending on weather conditions.

Environmental campaigners launched a long-running legal battle to prevent the vessel from being dismantled because of asbestos fears.

But now the path has been cleared for the work to begin on the 32,700-tonne ship.

Able UK chairman and chief executive Peter Stephenson welcomed the decision, saying: “As the Environment Agency themselves point out, every aspect of our plans for the development of the facility – and the contract for the Q790 – have been subject to the closest possible scrutiny and there can now be no doubt that TERRC is a world-class centre for undertaking ship and marine recycling to the highest possible practicable environmental standards.”

Earlier this month, campaigners lost an appeal against a Health and Safety Executive (HSE) ruling that raised no objections to the scheme to strip the ship at docks near Hartlepool.

The vessel had been denied entry to a number of countries for safety reasons. However, Able UK secured a deal to break it up at its Graythorp yard and the HSE granted the company an exemption to asbestos regulations.

Now the Environment Agency has cleared the way for the vessel to be transported to the UK.

Environment manager Bob Pailor, for the Environment Agency, said: “The consent to import this vessel from Brest – where it is docked – to the Able UK facility at Graythorp will be valid for 12 months.

“One of our primary considerations in granting consent for the import of the Q790 was whether Able UK had the infrastructure, permissions and environmental standards in place to dismantle and recycle the former French naval vessel. Following a rigorous technical assessment, we are now satisfied on all these points.”

Iris Ryder, from Friends of Hartlepool, was shocked to learn the news that permission had been granted.

She said: “In the light of this latest news, we will have to reassess the legal ramifications of this decision, which is inflicting great distress on the people of this town.”

Regards


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: JonHare on November 28, 2008, 11:10:16 pm
1,000 jobs on way to Graythorp

Number of workers look set to exceed the 1,000 mark by the summer. Projects include the 4 "Ghost" US Ships, the Clem, North West Hutton Oil Rig, a number of UK ships and as part of the Tees Alliance Group's SeaDragon Semi Submersible Oil Rig "Oban B", with intergration work to be completed at TERRC.

At the moment there are 3 British Ships, 4 American Ships and the North West Hutton Oil Rig (top sections) at TERRC.

The Clem and another British ship are expected to arrive before the end of the year.

http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/1000-jobs-on-the-way.4740462.jp

Teesside Evening Gazette
http://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/teesside-news/2008/11/28/french-aircraft-carrier-will-be-scrapped-on-teesside-84229-22360748/

Also the press release from Able UK.
http://www.ableuk.com/ableshiprecycling/press-able-081113.htm


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: JonHare on November 28, 2008, 11:26:07 pm
I am wondering as to what this British Ship arriving before the end of the year is?


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Michel FLOCH on November 29, 2008, 10:51:43 am
The last news about Clémenceau appeared in the regional newspapers today.
Le Télégramme is pessimistic and speaks especially about the possible appeal of the Greens of Brest.
Ouest-France speaks only about the next departure.  

Le Télégramme - November 29th, 2008

Ex-Clemenceau.
The last cartridge of the Brest Greens
The English ministry has just produced the official authorization to import the ex--Clemenceau for Hartlepool, in the northeast of the country. French side, Drire Bretagne has also just given its approval. But an environmentalist association of Brest tries to prevent its departure.

This summer, an association of English ecologists had opposed to the arrival of the former aircraft carrier containing around 700 tons of asbestos. Being afraid for its safety and the conditions of treatment then storage of the polluting products, the collective of inhabitants was refused finally this autumn by the Court of Appeal of London.

The definitive green light of the British administration was followed, French side, by the authorization produced by Drire Bretagne (*) yesterday. A last agreement of export of military material during a future interministerial committee remains to deliver.

The production of these last documents is determining for the continuation of this endless industrial and judicial serial. The Brest green association AE2D, to Act for the environment and the sustainable development, gets, indeed, ready to introduce an appeal with the administrative court of Rennes, taking issue the decision of export delivered by France, comments on the lawyer of the association, Me David Rajjou.

The questioned construction site
The decision of export of the ship could be so suspended. In the stride, another appeal, this time on the bottom, could be introduced by the Brest green association. AE2D, who joins in the exact continuation of his British counterpart, also plans to return on the conditions of attribution of the market, or how France was able to decide to confide a ship as Clemenceau to a construction site which did not arrange, in the time, all its authorizations of treatment.

But there is also a price (from four to ten times less important than the other industrial propositions) and the slightest delay of treatment which call to the association which does not miss arguments. Even if the Brest ecologists know that they use " their last cartridge " there. From his part, imperturbable, French Navy considers that the procedure follows its court normally and explains that a date of casting off should be fixed by a dozen days, the time to receive the last administrative documents and to prepare the hull for its ultimate journey.

* From yesterday evening, the AE2D association asked Drire to make at once public the complete information concerning the announcement of the transfer between both countries, according to the European rule.


Ouest-France - November 29th, 2008

Ex-Clemenceau: all the lights spend in the green

The "waste" Q790 is authorized to cross the French and English borders. Nothing more opposes to the casting off of the former aircraft carrier towards England.
It is the invaluable sesame for which waited the ex--Clemenceau to sail towards England. Great Britain has just delivered an authorization of cross-border transfer in Q790, official name of the former aircraft carrier. The European rule and the agreement of Basel impose the issue of this document so that the "waste" as the Q790 can travel.
It is on Thursday evening when the Agency of the British environment gave its approval. She considered that the industrialist Able UK arranges infrastructures and necessary uthorizations to dismantle the hull of the former aircraft carrier safely and in the environmental protection.

Nothing more thus opposes, in Great Britain, to the arrival of Q790. The former jewel of the Navy will be removed asbestos and dismantled in the construction site of Graythorp, near the city of Hartlepool.

The boss of Able UK, Peter Stephenson, indicates that the workforce of the construction site is going to pass to 200 persons with the arrival of the ex-Clemenceau. He always hopes that this one will belong to Graythorp " before the end of the year ".

French side, also, the road seems to get free quickly. Yesterday evening, the Direction of the industry, the research and the environment ( Drire) of Brittany sent a mail to the ministry of the Defence. We quite take place to think that it is about the authorization of cross-border transfer which she had to deliver for France.

It will not any more remain then than to obtain the authorization of the interministerial Commission of export of the war materials so that the ex-Clemenceau can leave the quayof Brest where he is moored since May, 2006.

Regards

Michbreiz


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: JonHare on December 05, 2008, 10:30:29 pm
Just some recent letters that have featured in the letters page of the Hartlepool Mail.

No lack of democracy
http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/letters/No-lack-of-democracy.4747224.jp
A letter in response to someone (letter below this one) who was attacking that the decision to grant Able UK planning permission, wasn't taken democratically.

The death of democracy
http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/letters/The-death-of-democracy.4707371.jp
A letter about the decision to allow the Clem to come to Hartlepool. This persons view is that it was the decision of the 3 law lords that granted permission.

Doesn't he realise that it wasn't the 3 law lords that gave the permission, but actually it was the Environment Agency and the Health & Safety Executive who granted permission.

Why I support Able
http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/letters/Why-I-support-Able.4723292.jp
A letter from Jim Allen, Jim is one of the more regular contributors to the Letters page of the Hartlepool Mail and has spoke up for Able UK's plans since they were announced.

There were a couple of letters in today's Hartlepool Mail. But it looks as they haven't updated their Letters page of the website. I will post these letters once they are on their site.


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Michel FLOCH on December 13, 2008, 11:19:18 am
Here the last news of the serial “Ex-Clémenceau” in the newspaper Le Télégramme of today.

Ex-Clemenceau. Each one plays its partition
the recourse of the Brest-native association (AE2D) opposed at the departure of Clemenceau for England, was taken into account by the administrative court of Rennes. The Navy continues nevertheless its preparations.
The legal debate is reopened. A squad of ten lawyers board already to the profit of the State in order to counter the arguments of the Brest-native ecologists. During this time, a company of Bordeaux (Europlasma) benefits from it to put its sand grain in a famous procedure “unattackable”.

“France has technology”
The texts specify (convention of Basle) that the transport of toxic waste is not possible that if the exporting country does not have any means of treating and to develop its own waste. “But, in Bordeaux, we are the only company in the world to propose such a level of valorization of asbestos using our plasma gun”, comments on the sales manager of Europlasma Jean-Philippe Cottel. “This transfer to England, which does not have this technology, appears illegal to us”. “This asbestos will be automatically hidden, whereas in France, exporting country of Clemenceau, we have adequate technology”.

In Brest, the ecologists of Agir pour l’Environnement et le Développement Durable (To act for the Environment and the Durable Development) prepare a round table-debate in mid-January and plan to make come their English counterparts. In Paris, the meeting of the interdepartmental committee, chaired by the Prime Minister, was deferred on several occasions. This meeting is essential to deliver the last official document before equipment. A decision which, it also, immediately will be attacked by association.

Preparation for the great departure
During this time, Clem' continues to prepare for the great departure. A team of the British demolition site is already on the spot. According to certain sources close to the file, the ocean-going tug, chosen by the building site, which will have to accompany the aircraft carrier for its last voyage, is awaited in Brest in middle of next week. If Justice does not block the large gray boat, and if an arrival of the aircraft carrier in England is considered to be desirable before Christmas, it is understood that there is a window of shooting the next week…

I wish a good weekend to you all.

Michel


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on December 13, 2008, 12:31:05 pm
So she could be here next weekend or before christmas, if there are no more hold ups !!


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: JonHare on December 13, 2008, 06:16:11 pm
PD PORTS STATEMENT- CLEMENCEAU
http://www.thpal.co.uk/news.asp?id=133&m=i

Dredgers to make space for Le Clem (Hartlepool Mail)
http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/Dredgers-to-make-space-for.4790817.jp

So things are certainly looking up for her arrival. Hope they don't choose a date when Im at work. :lol:  :lol:


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on December 13, 2008, 06:25:18 pm
Hi ,
some facts on the Clemenceau:-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FS_Clemenceau_(1957-1997)

She had a draft of 8.6 metres , I think this might be slightly less, but it is atill quite a deep draft for any vessel.


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: JonHare on December 13, 2008, 07:27:22 pm
I wouldn't go taking what is on wiki as fact. Info on wiki is about as much use as it is as who put it on. Anybody can put any info/ make stuff up, on about anything. So just take it with a pinch of salt.


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on December 14, 2008, 12:18:48 am
Hi Jon,
I was only trying to find the draft out, and that was the best I got,it is still a canny draft :lol:


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Michel FLOCH on December 14, 2008, 09:25:57 am
Hi,

All that you want to know about Clémenceau finds here: http://www.netmarine.net/bat/porteavi/clem/index.htm

-----------------
Michel


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on December 14, 2008, 04:20:53 pm
Quote

JonHare wrote:
I wouldn't go taking what is on wiki as fact. Info on wiki is about as much use as it is as who put it on. Anybody can put any info/ make stuff up, on about anything. So just take it with a pinch of salt.


Hi jon,

It does say 8.6 metres on here,-

http://www.netmarine.net/bat/porteavi/clem/caracter.htm

but it also mentions 7.5 metres in the dimensions , which could be the draft of her when she is empty of fuel and everything thing else that is not attached to her.

Regards
Brian


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on December 14, 2008, 04:23:02 pm
29 pages this is the 280 th reply with 11044 views.

Is this a record yet for a topic??


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Michel FLOCH on December 14, 2008, 05:44:55 pm
Hi Jon,

Its exact.
8,6 is the draft in charge (or in load).

Michel


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on December 14, 2008, 05:55:05 pm
Quote

Michbreiz wrote:
Hi Jon,

Its exact.
8,6 is the draft in charge (or in load).

Michel

 


Hi Michael,
This is the dimension, copied of the clemenceau website you posted the link to:-

Données générales :
Dimensions : 265 x 51,20 x 7,50 mètres

so I  think the draft unloaded could be 7.5 metres


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: eclaire on December 15, 2008, 08:27:39 am
taken from this mornings ship clippings:-

Clemenceau set for final voyage to scrapyard
Decommissioned French aircraft carrier Clemenceau is nearing the final voyage of a 40 year military career as it
prepares to sail to a specialist ship dismantling yard in the UK, where the vessel’s toxic asbestos insulation will be
removed.
The Clemenceau, now stripped of its title and renamed Q790, is set to reach Able UK’s scrapping yard in Hartlepool
on December 23, dependent upon a successful underwater survey to confirm an adequate clearance of 5.8 metres
along the approach channel to the north east facility.
The carrier, currently moored at the French port of Brest, hit the headlines in 2006 when the Indian authorities
stopped the vessel from being scrapped at Alang, for environmental and safety reasons, forcing the ship to return to
France.
Able UK chairman Peter Stephenson said: “We expect the Clemenceau to arrive during daylight, at high tide, on
December 23. If that cannot be achieved, then we will wait until early January.”
PD Ports – the company responsible for the approach channel which will be used by the Clemenceau - stated today
that an underwater survey indicated that “at present the depths are still insufficient, despite ongoing dredging”.
DAILY COLLECTION OF MARITIME PRESS CLIPPINGS 2008 – 333
Distribution : daily 5600+ copies worldwide Page 13 12/14/2008
Captain Jerry Drewitt, harbourmaster for the ports of Tees and Hartlepool, said: “PD Ports feels that it is vitally
important for all Teesport users that the vessel arrives safely and that, within the port, any movement is only made
when it is safe to do so.”
In a statement, PD Ports said that it will continue to dredge the channel “as quickly as possible, which will then be
deposited in the appropriate authorised location at sea, weather permitting”.
It added: “The arrival of the Clemenceau had been previously agreed on the basis that four existing vessels,
currently berthed in the Terrc basin, would be relocated in order to create adequate space for the Clemenceau. This
movement may also further delay proceedings.
But Mr Stephenson said that only two ships, ex-US navy warships, would have to be relocated within the Hartlepool
facility, which houses one of the largest drydocks in Europe. Source : LloydsList


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Michel FLOCH on December 15, 2008, 11:19:29 am
Hi Jon

It's correct.


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Guest on December 15, 2008, 07:19:30 pm
Hi All

This from PD Ports @ http://www.thpal.co.uk/news.asp?id=133&m=i

'PD PORTS STATEMENT – CLEMENCEAU

12/12/2008

PD Ports has today announced that it welcomes the impending arrival of the old French aircraft carrier, the Clemenceau, into Teesport.  This vessel is being brought to the Tees for scrapping and will bring much needed new jobs and help to stimulate the North East economy.  

“PD Ports feels that it is vitally important for all Teesport users that the vessel arrives safely and that, within the port, any movement is only made when it is safe to do so,” said Capt. Jerry Drewitt, Harbourmaster for the Ports of Tees and Hartlepool.  

In agreement with the Maritime and Coastguard Agency (MCA), PD Ports stated today that it is not yet viable to allow the Clemenceau onto the river following a proper and thorough underwater survey of Seaton Channel and holding basin.  The survey results have indicated that at present the depths are still insufficient, despite ongoing dredging.

PD Ports will continue to dredge the channel as quickly as possible, which will then be deposited in the appropriate authorised location at sea, weather permitting.

The arrival of the Clemenceau had been previously agreed on the basis that four existing vessels, currently berthed in the Terrc basin, would be relocated in order to create adequate space for the Clemenceau.  This movement may also further delay proceedings.

PD Ports stresses that it remains keen to see the creation of new jobs and much needed economic activity.  PD Ports is keen to help Able (UK) achieve this worthwhile objective, but will not allow any potential damage to the continued safe operation of the Port at Teesport on behalf of all port users.'

Regards


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: JonHare on December 15, 2008, 10:24:00 pm
Im just wondering what the reaction will be by the protestors. When the identity of this other British Ship is revealed, that is due at TERRC before the end of the year.  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Michel FLOCH on December 16, 2008, 10:23:29 am
Hi All,

The last news of the day in the newspaper Le Télégramme about the old Clem.

>>Clemenceau.

Not enough water in the Tees Channel.

In spite of the appeal deposited by an ecological association of Brest, Navy always hopes to make match Clemenceau before Christmas. But the film continues around the old aircraft carriers immobilized in Brest since may, 2006.

It is now on the side of Hartlepool, in the northeast of England, that we learn that the channel of access to the port (Tees channel), where is waited the ship, is not rather deep. " Important works of dredging are at present in progress and will have to continue in the next days to allow the ship to be dragged up to quay", confirms the harbour authority. Besides, four military ships in wait of demolition on the site must be moved to make of the place for the French aircraft carrier.

Impossible journey before the end of the year.

In English sources, these works and these laborers cannot be finished before the end of the year. This new delay pushes the plans of Navy who expected to make her cross before December 20th. For the transit, estimated in four days, we know today that it will be necessary to couple good meteorological conditions with important enough coefficients of tide.<<

It seems that this story is not near to be finished...  :-(

Michel


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: JonHare on December 16, 2008, 11:55:10 pm
Just had a look at the webcam in Brest and I can't see the Clem.
http://www.brest.maville.com/vivre/webcam.php?IN_cam=Brest#

The webcam of the Clem is the middle one on the top row of the 6 cameras. Usually you can see the aircraft warning navigation (red) lights in the centre of the pic.

So is there electrical problems linking to the lights aboard the Clem, bad weather blocking the view, or has she departed. :lol:
Well Im wishful thinking that she has departed Brest yet. :lol:


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Michel FLOCH on December 17, 2008, 09:40:12 am
Hi Jonathan

It is normal that you did not see red lights of Clem the night last and the one before because there was fog on the roads of Brest.
Clem is always there!

Regards

Michel


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Michel FLOCH on December 17, 2008, 09:41:08 am
Hi All,

News of the day about Clem.

Le Télégramme 17.12.2008

>>Ex-Clemenceau.
In Brest for Christmas
The Navy let know, yesterday morning, that the towing of the old Clemenceau aircraft carrier was indeed deferred after the holidays of the end of year, “in order to profit from optimal conditions (weather and tide) to carry out an operation of this width”.
The French maritime authorities confirm that administrative approvals are acquired on the two sides of the English Channel. Monday, the interdepartmental commission of export of the weaponries delivered the last document allowing the ex-Clemenceau to be transferred in England.
But it remains all the same to regulate the action brought by an association Brest-native ecologist (against the assent of Drire concerning the transfer of floating waste towards England) near the administrative court of Rennes. This same association awaits the publication of the authorization delivered by the interdepartmental commission to tackle this new administrative decision. Its lawyer, David Rajjou, point out besides, that once the date of equipment agreed upon, association would still have the possibility of depositing a summary procedure suspension which would immobilize the ship in Brest physically. <<

Regards

Michel


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Robert J Smith on December 18, 2008, 11:29:38 am
According to Seawaves website, the Clem is due Hartlepool on the 23rd December.

http://www.seawaves.com/navcall.htm

Regards

Bob


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: JonHare on December 18, 2008, 04:58:16 pm
Yes very interesting. Now that is Llloydds List and Seawaves now reporting the Clem is due to Hartlepool on the 23rd December. The French saying that there is no chance before the end of the year.

So when it says Hartlepool as port of call, does this mean TERRC or does it mean Hartlepool. ;-) :lol:

Teesport said at the beginning of the month that there was still insufficent depth. Has there been any more dredging since the report of insufficent depth was made. Which I think there may have been since the report.


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: JonHare on December 19, 2008, 07:47:27 pm
Teesside Evening Gazette

Ships Arrival put back.
http://www.nebusiness.co.uk/business-news/latest-business-news/2008/12/16/ship-s-arrival-put-back-51140-22486935/


Lloydslist
Hartlepool on track for Clemenceau demolition
http://www.lloydslist.com/ll/news/viewArticle.htm?articleId=1229346779921&src=rss

Story on shippingtimes.co.uk with picture. (pic just shows how large she is)
Welcome awaits aircraft carrier CLEMENCEAU
http://www.shippingtimes.co.uk/item_10180.html


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: andeedob on December 20, 2008, 01:53:33 pm
More possibles from PD TEES

"The vessel will only arrive when it is safe to do so and there are a couple of windows in January, on the 8th/9th and the 25/26th. That will depend on the tide and daylight."

http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/Dredgers-dig-out-channel-for.4810147.jp


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on December 20, 2008, 05:59:05 pm
Hi ,
it looks like a early afternoon arrival
I have just checked The Port Of Tyne website and there tidetables for next year are on there, you only add 21 minutes for the Tees.It will be a spring tide.
here is the link:-

http://www.portoftyne.com/media/tt2009.pdf


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: tony on December 23, 2008, 07:00:20 pm
Hi
Latest on the "Clem" from Middlesbroughs Evening Gazette
http://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/teesside-news/2008/12/23/aircraft-carrier-clemenceau-gets-the-all-clear-84229-22537305/
Tony


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: JonHare on December 25, 2008, 01:07:59 am
Some very important information has been shown on PD Ports 7 days Tees/ H'Pool  forecast.
http://www.thpal.co.uk/teesport/shippingreports/SR-10-ShippingMovementsNext7Days.asp

Is showing:

Canisteo
Canopus
Compass Island
Tuxedo Royale
Samba
Clark Avon

All are down for Sailing Not Known, 31/12/2008 23:59:00 Estimate.


With them now showing as Sailing could it be within the first week of January that they are moved. This info certainly means that the Clem shouldn't be too far off.


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: eclaire on December 25, 2008, 08:16:55 am
Well that is good news - looks like things are finally happening and she will be here in January. I wonder how difficult they will be to move as they have deteriorated a lot in the time they have been sitting.
Happy Christmas and may your new year be full of ships!
claire:-}


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Michel FLOCH on December 29, 2008, 09:55:37 am
HI,

Last news about the Clem

Ouest France - Friday December 26, 2008

>>The hull of the ex-Clemenceau will be scraped

Analyses indicate the presence of parasites on the hull. Therefore, the departure for England will not be done before the end of January.

New misadventure for the old aircraft carrier anchored in Brest. Within the framework of the British environmental regulation, the building sites Able U.K. of Hartlepool, which must dismantle the ex-Clemenceau, ordered an analysis of fauna and flora encrusted on the hull.

The result of this examination, carried out by the company “Invivo environment” was transmitted Tuesday to the Admiralty of Brest by the harbour authorities of Hartlepool.

It reveals the presence, under the water line, of four distinct species : an Asian brown alga (laminaria japonica), a ascidie (an invertebrate filterer), an oyster originating in the Pacific and, famous the crépidule (Crepidula fornicata :
http://www.issg.org/database/species/ecology.asp?fr=1&si=600), originating in North America, which from now on conquered many funds in Brittany.

“These four species are not native our coasts. But three, the Asian alga, the crépidule and the ascidie can be found in England because introduced accidentally in the past” explains the Admirality.

Departure at the end of January

 “Problem”, for Jerry Drewitt, captain of the wearing of Tees and Hartlepool. Two of these parasitic species, laminaria japonica and crépidule are “foreign” with British water.

“The Agency of the environment says that the hull must be cleaned before the ship can come here” Jerry Dewitt indicates.

Admiralty thus decided, to avoid any contamination, “to eliminate these organism by scraping of the hull. We will ensure the transfer of a perfectly healthy hull, insists the Navy for which “the result of these analyses is not astonishing. The ex-aircraft-carrier is posted in Brest since months without moving”.

The work  preparatory of the departure of the “Clem”, stopped during the festivals of end of the year, will take again on January 5.

The scraping of the hull will take five days. The possibility of a casting off about on January 8 thus seems not very probable. English side, one speaks now, at best, of the end of the month.<<

Regards

Michel


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: JonHare on January 02, 2009, 11:48:00 pm
Has anybody had a look on AIS this evening.

Tug Anglian Earl is sailing out of British Waters, with destination Boulogne and ETA Jan03 0700hrs.
But Boulogne is well inland in France, so very much doubt this is the destination, with the ETA showing, I think it may be somewhere alot closer.
 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

(Now onto page 31 and counting)  :lol:


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on January 03, 2009, 12:04:39 am
And jonathan has just made the 300th posting on this topic :lol:


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Kelvin Davies on January 03, 2009, 01:18:38 am
At the moment (01:15) it is heading east up the English Channel, south of Lydd.
I think the destination is Boulogne sur Mer, the channel ferry port


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: eclaire on January 03, 2009, 10:51:33 am
Are we 100% certain that Anglian Earl is the tug for Clem?
Have we heard any progress on the bottom-scraping??
claire:-}


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on January 03, 2009, 12:02:06 pm
Quote

Ellwood wrote:
Quote:

coatham wrote:
Hi all,

A update on the carrier, thanks to MichBriez!

The tug, 'Anglian Earl' will be the tug bringing her down. Here is the story along with a picture (in French): http://www.brest.maville.com/Un-costaud-pour-remorquer-l-ex-Clemenceau-/re/actudet/actu_loc-724173------_actu.html" target="_blank">Click here.

Regards


Hi Nathan

'Loose Translation' using an online translator is:

Preparations are under way for the ultimate trip of the ancient aircraft carriers towards England. The tug Anglian Earl will be made responsible for bringing it to good harbour.

Unless an inversion of last minute situation, the ex-Clemenceau will join very England shortly. The Klyne Tugs de Lowestoft society, in Suffolk, is loaded with the operation of towing.

On Wednesday, his technicians were present in Brest. They examined the ex-Clemenceau to cause technical means to implement to tow it.

The tug Anglian Earl will take care of the ancient aircraft carriers. The operation of towing for the English construction site should last four days.

Constructed in Netherlands in 1987 under the name of Maersk Logger for the Danish company Maersk, Anglian Earl is a solid tug of open sea, anchoring and provision. Along 69,70 m, equipped with 2 motors Mak of a complete potency of 12 000 horses, he shows a force of traction in the fixed point of 140 tonnes.

Founded in 1892, the Klyne Tugs society refers in the world of towing very as Honeybees. It was kept by British Coastguards to help ships in trouble. Four of his tugs are permanently positioned in strategical places around the sides of United Kingdom.

On the side of the naval prefecture of Atlantic, they confirm that jobs are under way with the aim of the equipment of Q790, official name of the ancient aircraft carriers. It is a question of installing electricity aboard, fires of navigation or else GPS.

Clem' will perform its last trip for the construction site of dismantling of INDUSTRIALIST ABLE UK, located near Hartlepool, in the northeast of the country.

In what date will the ancient aircraft carriers leave Brest? « Rather fast, as it is answered the naval prefecture. But no date is still fixed. » From his part, Christian Bucher, from the association of Brest AE2D, believes knowledge that the kept date is on November 6th.

outefois, the way of the ancient aircraft carriers towards England is not still completely clear on juridical plan. Yesterday, the English opponents in his visit won smallly. The Friends of Hartlepool association was authorized to call after the rejection of its appeal on September 29th of this year, by the High Court of Justice of London.

Friends of Hartlepool considers illegal infringement granted to import the 770 tonnes of materials amiantés which contains the ex-Clemenceau. Their call will be examined in a date which is not determined yet.

« Now that our case is under way of exam, we are going to write in all parties to acquire insurance that the ship will stay in Brest until the file is cut, here, by Justice », points out Gavin Sullivan, lawyer of the Friends of Hartlepool

Regards


This is were the Anglian earl was mentioned ,page 24 on this topic.

regards
Brian


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: JonHare on January 03, 2009, 01:59:18 pm
Quote

eclaire wrote:
Are we 100% certain that Anglian Earl is the tug for Clem?
Have we heard any progress on the bottom-scraping??
claire:-}


I can't see the problem with these issues. What difference is there between the Clem and any other ship that sails in and out of British Waters daily. How many vessels in service have allsorts stuck to the hull under the waterline, but nothing is said about these.


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Guest on January 03, 2009, 02:12:38 pm
Quote

JonHare wrote:
Quote:

eclaire wrote:
Are we 100% certain that Anglian Earl is the tug for Clem?
Have we heard any progress on the bottom-scraping??
claire:-}


I can't see the problem with these issues. What difference is there between the Clem and any other ship that sails in and out of British Waters daily. How many vessels in service have allsorts stuck to the hull under the waterline, but nothing is said about these.


Hi Jon

Introduction of 'alien breeds' to the maritime environmental systems in the Tees is the answer - do you really want to see yet another fight against the move from yet another set of environmentalists ? - don't think so  :-)

Regards


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: JonHare on January 06, 2009, 08:15:51 pm
The Northern Echo

French action group in bid to block carrier deal
http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/search/4019751.French_action_group_in_bid_to_block_carrier_deal/

Hartlepool Mail

Le Clem still on course
http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/Le-Clem-still-on-course.4843846.jp


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on January 06, 2009, 09:43:21 pm
:-)
Quote

JonHare wrote:
Quote:

eclaire wrote:
Are we 100% certain that Anglian Earl is the tug for Clem?
Have we heard any progress on the bottom-scraping??
claire:-}


I can't see the problem with these issues. What difference is there between the Clem and any other ship that sails in and out of British Waters daily. How many vessels in service have allsorts stuck to the hull under the waterline, but nothing is said about these.


hi john,
the difference is that all ships in service are moving most of the time and the critters dont get a chance to grow on these vessels, were as the clem has sat in the same place for a long time , this will help the critters  to grow on the hull, you bring the ship here without a scrape and there is a possibility of these things dropping off.Also modern ships used to be treated with antifouling which prevented growth of these organisms , also shipowners like a clean hull as it improves fuel economy.

Any way after her scrape she will make a slightly better speed on her way here!
 :lol:  :lol:
Brian

Just found this on the subject:-

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ship/systems/paint.htm

Also is there any one in the Tees area willing to have a go at AIS feed , as the Tees is not very well covered for it being a busy river that it is? PM me for more info


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on January 07, 2009, 11:48:05 am
Tees AIS now on:-

http://www.shipais.com/currentmap.php?map=RiverTees

You can see the dredgers dredging the entrance to the TERRC


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: JonHare on January 11, 2009, 04:36:24 pm
It looks like the arrival date of 25/26th Jan could be likely.

I am just having a search on Yahoo France for any updates on the Clem.

I have hit the Jackpot.

Cleaning of the hull is underway with predictions of the hull cleaning operation taking 4 days.

This site is in French, but shows pictures of the cleaning operation.
http://www.meretmarine.com/article.cfm?id=109189
08/01/2009

I have translated the article into English (below).

Given the importance of the area to be treated, half of the divers working to clean the hull of the former Clemenceau kicked scrapers could spend some time. That is why the Navy contracted with TechSub specializing in underwater work, his men to assist in this task. The company will be at work today, with additional means and probably better suited.In detail, the sailors are in charge of "scratching" and employees of TechSub "brushing," says one in Brest, where the former aircraft carrier is awaiting tow to Britain. Before beginning this final journey to the demolition site of Able UK Hartlepool, Q 790 must in fact be "clean".

So we thought the end of December, after numerous twists, the departure of former Clemenceau imminent, a new problem occurred. This time, it is not contained asbestos on board who is involved, but the plants and other small marine animals that have colonized the vivid works of the former aircraft carrier stationed since May 2006 in the database shipbuilding Brest.

However, to meet the legislation in force in the UK, it is necessary to eliminate algae and concretions found on the hull. "This operation, which could not be conducted in the days preceding the start, is to remove the species that are not present on the coast of nearby Hartlepool, the future instead of dismantling the boat," says Navy, ensuring that this is "the last step before the actual departure of the hull."

Hopefully now that the Q 790 harbors a few rodents or birds Breton may dangerously disrupt the ecosystem inhabiting the English ...


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: JonHare on January 11, 2009, 04:45:14 pm
http://www.meretmarine.com/article.cfm?id=109176
07/01/2009

It is finally in the second half of January that the former aircraft carrier Clemenceau should leave Brest to be towed to the dismantling yards Able UK, England. Before that, the necessary arrangements for this final trip were taken: close the openings, securing the moving, setting up light signals and markings for the transfer, installation trailers main and back and devices Security (generators, pumps, etc.).

But before his departure, works vives Q 790, ie the submerged part of the hull must be cleaned. Analysis have shown that the sheet was covered with several species of plants and animals away from the area of Hartlepool, where the demolition site.

Not whether organisms clinging to the hull during his half-world tour in 2006, but species finistériennes ... Despite the geographical proximity of the small and Britain, to meet environmental regulations in the UK, the Navy is obliged, at its own expense, to clean the submerged part of the "Clem."

Fifteen divers (military) therefore is, since late December, scratch wreckage Green also under water as more brown rust on the outside. And Brest to say that the Clemenceau, nothing has been spared the seamen or the taxpayer.


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on January 11, 2009, 05:27:51 pm
Hi Jonathon,
Idid not think they would clean the hull by using divers, I thought they would have drydocked her.


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: JonHare on January 11, 2009, 05:38:28 pm
That's what I thought. But I dug around the net and there are companies that specialise in underwater hull cleaning using robots and hand held machines.

I'm surprised that they are using scrapers. But at least it looks as though it is on for a 25/6th Jan arrival. Best keeping a close eye on the Anglian Earl and the webcam that looks towards the Clem. http://www.brest.maville.com/vivre/webcam.php#


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Nathan on January 12, 2009, 07:20:58 pm
Hi All,

TUXEDO ROYALE is due to move from the TERRC Basin tomorrow (13th) to Able Central Quay.

Regards


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: C on January 13, 2009, 02:19:59 pm
The Ormesby Cross tug is on site to take the Tuxedo away.


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Guest on January 13, 2009, 02:22:46 pm
Yes, nice 'view' of the towing operation @ http://www.shipais.com/currentmap.php?map=TeesHarbour

Regards


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: C on January 13, 2009, 02:25:26 pm
The Ormesby Cross tug is on site to take the Tuxedo away...............


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Nathan on January 13, 2009, 04:43:31 pm
Looks like somthing didnt go to plan, Tuxedo Royale is now down for the 14th.

Regards


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Michel FLOCH on January 15, 2009, 03:09:19 pm
Hi All,

Last news and comments of the affair Clem.

Ouest-France – January 15, 2009

1.- The ex-Clemenceau ready to leave
 
For the admiral ordering the Atlantic zone (Ceclant), Nothing more is opposed at the leaving of ex-Clemenceau towards England. " Unless a decision of the French Justice comes to forbid it."

2.- Clem' in England? " A nightmare " (http://www.brest.maville.com/actu/actudet_-Le-Clem-en-Angleterre-Un-cauchemar-_loc-797270_actu.Htm)


Iris Ryder and Jean Kennedy live Hartlepool. It is there that the old aircraft carrier must be dismantled.

Why do you refuse the dismantling of the ex-Clemenceau close to on your premise?

Hartlepool is a small town of 86.000 inhabitants where many cases of cancer are counted. The life expectancy is lower by 13 years than it is elsewhere in England. Considering the number of died in this city, it is unimaginable to send to it a boat of the size of Clemenceau with its enormous tonnage of asbestos. It is a true nightmare.

How does the site arise today which will receive the ex-Clemenceau?

It still does not have dry dock. There does not exist either of discharge approved to receive the asbestos which will be withdrawn from the hull. It is a dump with open sky in full field. The building site is located beside a nuclear power station. If a boat is failed in the channel of access, that is likely to disturb the water supply which cools the atomic reactor.

What do you know of the industrialist Able U.K.?

It is a small family company which started by recovering scrap in the streets. It promises to create up to 1.000 employment thanks to the activity of dismantling. But, in last Christmas, it employed always only 17 people!. In fact, it counts on the money of the French government, to finance its installations.

Iris Ryder and Jean Kennedy are in Brest to take part in the debate on the organized dismantling of the old ships with 6 p.m., house of the trade unions.

Le Télégramme – January 15, 2009

The article of the newspaper Le Télégramme is available for consultation on-line only by buying it.
So, I scanned a copy of the article which you can consult with this link:
http://i67.servimg.com/u/f67/12/57/48/58/le_cle10.jpg

Regards
Michel


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: JonHare on January 15, 2009, 05:31:49 pm
Im shocked at what little they know about the company. 17 people!!!

There are far more than 17 people employed on site at TERRC. Able UK has many sections to its empire. I think there are even more than 17 people employed in management.

Able UK has been going on for years, so they have a lot of resources and a lot of work which has kept the company ticking over.

Quote
"In fact, it relies on money from the French government to finance its facilities."
End Quote

Able UK does not rely on the French Government to finance its facilities. As what I have said above, they have plenty of resources in reserve.

By the womens statements, it just goes to show how very little they know about the company or the dealings.

I just hope the Clem comes in next weekend as planned, as if any more delays may be costly as delays to the Oban-B project may be held up.

I'm just getting in touch with Able UK, with this article. Hopefully Able UK will get in touch with the French media and put the story straight and give facts out rather than unfounded hype from the protestors.


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on January 15, 2009, 10:18:16 pm
The Journey from Brest to Teesbay is about 620 nautical miles


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: JonHare on January 16, 2009, 12:03:13 pm
Tuxedo Royale was towed out of TERRC this morning to Able Central Quay, Middlesbrough (where the container ships are laid up).


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Guest on January 16, 2009, 12:47:45 pm
Quote

JonHare wrote:
Tuxedo Royale was towed out of TERRC this morning to Able Central Quay, Middlesbrough (where the container ships are laid up).


Hi Jon

Thanks for the heads up - may be worth a trip down to Teeside to check her out - of course she is returning to where she traded as a Night Club  :-)

Regards


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: eclaire on January 16, 2009, 02:41:39 pm
Wouldnt have thought they will leave her there too long otherwise the people of Middlesbrough might not like it - I seem to recall they were quite keen to get her moved when she was there before and she has deteriorated since then.
Looks like Able are pretty certain Clem is imminent.
Anyone seen the weather forecast for the next week - we dont need a weather warning as that might delay her again!
claire:-}


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: JonHare on January 16, 2009, 02:50:54 pm
From what I gather is that there is a huge storm system this weekend sweeping across the UK. With 10m waves forecasted.

But from about Mon/ Tuesday it will become calm again with high pressure building. Weather is expected to turn colder on the back edge of this storm system this weekend. So I can see the first part of next weeks being ideal sailing conditions.

BBC Weather Atlantic Pressure Forecast till Tuesday
http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/coast/pressure/#no_url


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Michel FLOCH on January 16, 2009, 03:03:51 pm
Hi

Are you always interested by news concerning the Clem, from Brest?
Nobody seems to be interested in it.
Here are all the same the last.

Le Télégramme - January 16th, 2009

- First article (http://i67.servimg.com/u/f67/12/57/48/58/docume10.jpg)

Debate around the Clem '.
More agitated than foreseen

Jacky Bonnemains, of the association Robin des Bois (Robin Hood) (http://www.robindesbois.org/), was the only defender of the English solution, yesterday evening, of the house of labor syndicates. And he expressed himself widely, in front of small hundred of persons set from the hull towards England

The organized debate yesterday evening around the sector of demolition in Brest looked peaceful, one-sided.
Quiet, because no defender of Clemenceau had deigned to move. Error.
The evening looked consensual, monolithic, probably redundant, profoundly against the solution of dismantling proposed by the State and Marine.
Beside the organizers, Mor Glaz (Blue Sea in Breton) (http://www.morglaz.org/), Agir pour l'environnement et le développement durable ( AE2D) and the representatives of CGT (a French trade union), we counted in the room the deputy chairman of the Regional Council, the GreenJanick Monceau, installed near Yannick Jadot, co-founder of the very recent " Gathering Europe Ecology " and former of Greenpeace at the origin of the repatriation of Clemenceau in France.
The same Michel Guyot, the boss of Brest Récupération, big boss of the Brest collective  having proposed a solution of local dismantling, had made the effort to sit down in the public and to intervene by calling back his support for the organizing associations.

In the tone of the evening, both Englishwomen of the Friends of the earth were there to show of a " ghost construction site become the nightmare of their life ".
Everything was in place for " demolish " the project of dismantling in England.
But it was without counting on the discreet presence of a man very involved in the file of the dismantling of the old ships...

" England it is not Pakistan! "

While both Englishwomen drew abominable outlines of a parody of shipyard, a man boiled in the room in each of their speaking.
" It is false, it is false! ": Jacky Bonnemains, of the environmentalist association Robin des Bois, called to Iris Ryder in full litany in Zola. Never Able Uk asked to dismantle nuclear submarines in its construction site, you cannot say anything! ".
The debate, foreseen after the intervention of both Englishwomen started without reminder, uncontrolled, unverifiable with a gone back up(raised) man against " this vision very exaggerated by things ".
" You do not go to persuade us that England, it is Pakistan!. It is false to say that this construction site has not a dry dock.
They have a wide pond that they are going to dry up! ". The atmosphere warmed up in the public.
Arrived specially from Paris, the only defender of the English solution bravely faced hundred of gone back up opponents.

" Go to see of yourself! "

" How the spokesman of an association which says to itself ecologist was able to make a mistake so much by supporting the departure of the Clem ' in India and now in England? ", Christian Bucher, in the name of AE2D headed.
" The Indian solution was not so bad with a specific accompanying. The English solution is the at present available only one ", answered the ecologist the singular position.
" But did you go to see on the spot? ", asked him the Englishwoman, the quite red cheeks. " Not, I go there very soon "..
" Go to see of yourself, I wish you good courage! ".

- Second article (http://i67.servimg.com/u/f67/12/57/48/58/docume11.jpg)

Departure of the Clem '. Little favorable meteorological conditions

The Navy intends to make the ex--Clemenceau sail on Thursday, 22 or Friday, January 23rd, to take advantage of sufficient coefficients of tide to enter, four days later, little deep waters which lead to the English disconstruction site of Hartlepool.
But the meteorological forecasts are not favorable for the next week, with winds foreseen around 30 in 35 knots (60 kph) in the middle of week, under a stream of the West still so steady.
More than the announced southwesterly wind, it is especially the state of the sea and the long swell of the West that could compromise the big manoeuvres; the next window being pushed away around February 5th.

The maritime prefect (Admiral Ceclant) pressed to see the hull leaving

Be that as it may, Marine intends well to transfer the vessel in England, in spite of the appeal and the complaint introduced by the opponents of her departure.
Unless the justice prevents her from it expressly (referred suspension), the maritime prefect says himself pressed to see the hull leaving Brest.

Michel


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: andeedob on January 16, 2009, 05:13:30 pm
Re - The Tuxedo Royale

Just happened to be passing this morning. She has moved and is now located just downstream of the transporter bridge - pic: http://www.shipspotting.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=813867&cid=9


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: JonHare on January 19, 2009, 07:54:52 pm
Hartlepool Mail

Le Clem due within days
http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/Le-Clem-due-within-days.4889385.jp

(the Hartlepool Mail (paper) on this story has a shot of the Tux and Tugs from Friday)


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on January 19, 2009, 08:08:23 pm
What are the names of the tugs based on the Tees now?
I assume there is only 5 , with the Pheonix up here on the Tyne.


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Nathan on January 19, 2009, 09:06:22 pm
Hi Brian,

When i went down on Sunday there was only 3! Afew must of been doing a job or somthing. The tugs currently on the Tees (i think) are:

Ormesby Cross
Fiery Cross
Coatham Cross
Svitzer Bootle
Svitzer Sun

I think thats the 5...

Regards


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Michel FLOCH on January 20, 2009, 07:24:31 am
Still an adjournment for Clem.
Because of the weather forecast.
Michel


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: eclaire on January 20, 2009, 01:55:45 pm
On the webcam there have been a couple of little boats apparantly anchored by her today, presumably preparing?
How fast would be realistic towing speed if the weather is OK?
claire:-}


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on January 20, 2009, 04:01:17 pm
Quote

eclaire wrote:
On the webcam there have been a couple of little boats apparantly anchored by her today, presumably preparing?
How fast would be realistic towing speed if the weather is OK?
claire:-}


Hi maybe 6 knots at best speed , could be as low as 3 knots, a lot will depend on the tug that is chartered for the tow.


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: JonHare on January 20, 2009, 04:04:15 pm
A couple of reports from the BBC

Feature- Able UK
http://www.bbc.co.uk/tees/content/articles/2009/01/13/able_uk_feature.shtml

Credit Crunch- A river reborn
http://www.bbc.co.uk/tees/content/articles/2009/01/16/river_reborn_feature.shtml

This morning there was abit on BBC Look North breakfast bullitin at about 0725hrs. Only caught the last seconds of it. But the cameras were down on the dockside of TERRC. Hopefully there will show it on the 1830 broadcast. Best keep an eye out.


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: eclaire on January 20, 2009, 04:21:11 pm
Nice to see some positive articles showing the fact that Able is helping the economy of Teeside.

Good also to see that both articles say that Clem is definitely coming!
claire:-}


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Michel FLOCH on January 20, 2009, 04:49:16 pm
Hi,
Clem is definitely coming, but you will again have to wait a little.
It is this way of the channel that will be given the departure.
Not by the British medias.

Newspaper Le Télégramme - January 20, 2009

Towing of Clemenceau. Departure compromised this week.

The bad weather which rages at present in the channel prevents the arrival of the tug boat which will take the ex--Clemenceau. The strong winds and especially the big swell of the West do not facilitate the progress towards Brest. But it is especially the meteorological bad conditions of the middle of the week that will put back the departure of the aircraft carrier at a later date.
An gale warning  is to be waited for Thursday, a storm warning (7 to 8 Beaufort) being foreseen for Friday.

The next window in February.
The operations of towing cannot thus be made this week, the next window opening around next February 10th (sufficient coefficients of tide to enter the Tees channel).
To note that it is necessary to find four days of favorable weather report to make progress, safely, the convoy up to the northeast of England. And this meteorological window will have to coincide with sufficient coefficients of tide.

Good evening

Michel


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Nathan on January 20, 2009, 06:33:11 pm
Thanks for the update,

Yet another delay, at least its not a long term one!  :lol:

All the best


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on January 20, 2009, 07:17:50 pm
Hi ,
I have made a route map on google earth and posted it on jons topicon here-

http://forum.shipais.com/index.php?showtopic=2131&pid=15017&st=0&#entry15017


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: JonHare on January 20, 2009, 11:10:49 pm
The Northern Echo

Weather dicates ship arrival
http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/search/4059933.Weather_dictates_ship_arrival/

Take a look at the comment below the story. How is this work "third world work". Another totally uninformed person.


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on January 20, 2009, 11:23:26 pm
We need to register (http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/my/register/) to post any comments!!


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Guest on January 21, 2009, 07:46:22 am
Quote

JonHare wrote:
 How is this work "third world work". Another totally uninformed person.


Hi Jon

Obviously the person in question knows nothing about the historical link that the North East has with ship demolition  :-)

Regards


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: C on January 26, 2009, 01:07:45 pm
Well the Canopus and Compass Island have just been moved over to the other side of the dock.


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: JonHare on January 26, 2009, 08:02:45 pm
A couple of stories from the Hartlepool Mail.

Rig jobs blow after contract collapse
http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/Rig-jobs-blow-after-contract.4910248.jp


200 New jobs... and more to come
http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/200-new-jobs--and.4910679.jp


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: eclaire on January 26, 2009, 08:14:38 pm
The Hartlepool mail says ''within days'' - has anyone heard anything?


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Nathan on January 28, 2009, 04:01:54 pm
Hi all,

The Anglian Earl is now on route to Brest: http://www.shipais.com/showship.php?mmsi=314166000

Regards


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on January 28, 2009, 04:40:35 pm
Well spotted Coatham,he could be there in the morning and the clem could be on her way by dinner timeTommorrow


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: C on January 28, 2009, 07:32:23 pm
Yes it could but how long will it take to tow her here, Also what about weather conditions?


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: JonHare on January 28, 2009, 07:52:34 pm
Weather doesn't look to be a problem judging by the BBC Weather Atlantic Pressure Chart over the next few days towards Sunday.

BBC Weather Tide Table for Sunday 1st Feb is showing high tide 0715hrs at 4.8m, Monday 2nd Feb is showing high tide as 0800hrs at 4.6m. From what I heard is a good tide to bring her in on.

But think the tides are getting larger to the weekend 7/8/9th Feb.

Fingers crossed they may go for a Sunday arrival, which means I can see two aircraft carriers in 2 days, Ark Royal up on the Tyne and Clem into the Tees.  :lol:


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: C on January 28, 2009, 08:20:15 pm
Isn't her hull quite large/deep therefor wouldn't you need a larger tide.


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Nathan on January 28, 2009, 08:37:54 pm
Hi Miya,

In previous articles submitted, one of the french papers said the tow would take around 4 days. But i suppose that would depend on conditions.

Im not sure what the depth of the chanel is after the dredging ABLE have been doing, it might be deep enough as the UKD Marlin and Cork Sand have since left.

Regards


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: JonHare on January 28, 2009, 08:56:27 pm
Quote

Miya wrote:
Isn't her hull quite large/deep therefor wouldn't you need a larger tide.


From previous reports in the media, Im sure they were saying a tide of 4.6-4.8m would be sufficent to get the Clem in.


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: JonHare on January 30, 2009, 11:42:11 am
Clemenceau is now joined on the wharf/ jetty by the Anglian Earl.

Viewed from the Clemenceau webcam in Brest.
http://www.brest.maville.com/vivre/webcam.php#

Not too long to wait now then. Just hope the Clem doesn't form icicles on her voyage up the North Sea next month.


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Michel FLOCH on January 30, 2009, 12:40:32 pm
Hi

The newspaper Le Télégramme say today :
Departure next Sunday or Monday.

My pics of Anglian Earl and the Clem (Bad because of the back light) :

http://www.shipspotting.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=822233
http://www.shipspotting.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=822235
http://www.shipspotting.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=822236
http://www.shipspotting.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=822236
http://www.shipspotting.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=822240

Michel


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: JonHare on January 31, 2009, 08:09:38 am
http://www.brest.maville.com/actu/actudet_-Hartlepool-se-resigne-a-l-arrivee-de-l-ex-Clemenceau-_loc-810884_actu.Htm

Translation

Hartlepool resigned to the arrival of the ex-Clemenceau

The former French aircraft carrier will be dismantled near the English town. Despite the promised jobs, not the enthusiasm.

"In the morning, there is a nagging smell, it smells like garbage," sighs Maxine. Finger, she means the dark hills a few hundred yards from the flag of coquet Seaton Carew, on the outskirts of Hartlepool. This is the site for asbestos in industrial Able UK. His yard dismantling of old ships is not far away, on the River Tees.

Hartlepool is an industrial city with no particular charm of 86 000 inhabitants, planted in the north-east of England. Here, the arrival of the Clemenceau and its 700 tonnes of asbestos materials n'enthousiasme little world. "We are worried for our children," says Alan, leaning at the table of a pub, his voice rough.


Job Creation

Yet Able UK has promised things will be done within the rules. The aircraft carrier will be dismantled in dry dock, asbestos treatment under legal procedures. Remains a concern. In 2007, the company had to pay 22 000 pounds (? 24 500) fine for asbestos flout safety rules.

From past to the Mayor of Hartlepool, Stuart Drummond: "As long as health authorities have given their backing, we support the project. It will create jobs. "Able UK promises to employ an additional sixty workers to dismantle the Clemenceau. And more if the contracts are increasing.

The company currently employs "between 250 and 500 employees," according to its CEO, Peter Stephenson. She specializes in the recycling of oil platforms, industrial buildings and ships.

With only 4.5% of job seekers, Hartlepool remains relatively unaffected by unemployment that affects the region of Yorkshire. But she fears the arrival of the crisis and the slowdown in industrial activity. The jobs promised by Able UK are welcome.


Handful of opponents

Today, only a handful of opponents, the "Friends of Hartlepool" leads a legal battle against Able UK. "The Clemenceau was born in Brest, he should die in Brest," says John Kennedy, wife of head of the association.

The Friends of Hartlepool "provide 5 having collected 000 signatures against the arrival of Clem. Different story in the office of mayor: "I have received no letter against the coming of the ship," said Stuart Drummond.

For many, the case of the Clemenceau just confirms what they already knew. "We're the garbage of the world, says Alan. Dismantle the Clemenceau here, why not? But then it should return the asbestos waste to France. "


Karine LE LOËT.
Ouest-France


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Michel FLOCH on January 31, 2009, 10:20:26 am
Hi,

On the web site of Ouest-France
Saturday January 31, 2009

http://www.brest.maville.com/actu/actudet_-L-heure-du-depart-toujours-tenue-secrete-_loc-810881_actu.Htm

Translation :

The secret hour of the departure always held

 The departure of the ex-Clemenceau is nothing any more from now on but one question of days, if not hours. Yesterday, in the morning, the British tug boat Anglian Earl came to moor at the aircraft carrier warf where Clem' is since its return of India in May 2006.
In the course of the day, the crew of the ship set up gréement towing. The sailors of the naval base reexamined the ballasting of the old aircraft carrier in order to stabilize it in its watermarks. They also proceeded to a beginning of casting off mooring.

Right of “veto”

 Remains to know when the ex-Clemenceau will leave for its last voyage towards England. It is, for the moment, a well kept secrecy. “The towing is responsibility for the English, explains Bertrand Hudault, the officer commander of communication of the French Navy. It is them which will decide moment of equipment. ”
 The Navy reserves all the same a right of “veto” if it estimates that all the conditions are not met. “At present, nothing is opposed at the beginning of the boat”, indicates the commander Hudault.

A situation which could however evolve/move if the last-ditch struggle of Brest-native association AE2D succeeds. Monday, at 2 p.m. 30, the administrative court of Rennes will examine in urgency its request for suspension of the transfer of the ex-Clemenceau in England.
“We ask that be suspended by legal way the departure of the boat as long as our recourse on the bottom are not examined”, explains to Me David Rajjou, the lawyer of association AE2D. These recourse on the bottom aim at the authorizations of transborder transfer of waste and export of weaponry.

Miss competences

 AE2D estimates that the English building site Able the U.K. does not lay out of competences necessary for demolition of the ex-Clemenceau in the respect of the environmental and social standards. Association, like the other members of the committee of vigilance ex-Clemenceau, request that this one is dismantled in France.
Will the French authorities await they to it judgement of the administrative court of Rennes to authorize the departure? Me Rajjou thinks that yes. “Let us suppose that the ex-Clemenceau leaves and that the court rules in our favour. Taking into account the time of crossing, the boat will be brought to make half-turn. I do not imagine that the Navy will take this risk. »

On the web site of Le Télégramme
Saturday January 31, 2009

http://www.letelegramme.com/ig/generales/regions/cotesarmor/ex-clemenceau-stand-by-jusqu-a-lundi-31-01-2009-228843.php

Translation :

Ex-Clemenceau. Stand-by until Monday

 Anglian Earl, the English tug boat of 70m, arrived, in Brest, yesterday in the early morning. Directly moored at the aircraft carrier warf, the ship and its crew are in waiting to hook in the imposing hull of 260m length. “Nothing legally prevents us from making install this weekend Clemenceau”, commented on yesterday morning Bertrand Hudault, the spokesman of the maritime prefecture of Brest. At the same time, the lawyer of the Brest-native association opposed at the departure of the hull confirmed the recording of two summary judgments near the administrative court of Rennes. Treated in “extreme urgency”, these summary judgments will be examined Monday at 2 p.m. 30, with a decision returned in the evening or the following day. “We do not see this boat leaving this weekend, and even less in the next few weeks”, claironnait, rather trustful, Me David Rajjou. “If we are dismiss, we will go in appeall. We are determined with going until the Conseil d’état”. (Higher French jurisdiction.)

Travel two days in Hartlepool

 During this time, the members of the Committee of vigilance put the finishing touches to  the organization of a voyage two days in Hartlepool, city of the building site of dismantling, at the beginning of next week. “We need to make us a precise idea of the building site and of its real capacities of dismantling”, commented on Christian Bucher, copresident Agir association for the environment and the durable development (AE2D). In the event of will legal procedure with extension, the French Navy take the risk to make install the convoy? Impatience to see from to go away as fast as possible the old Clem is perceptible, on the side of the Navy at Brest.

Michel


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Robert J Smith on January 31, 2009, 11:58:12 am
The webcam mentioned above

http://www.brest.maville.com/vivre/webcam.php#

now showing Anglian Earl going alondside the Clem. She was previously moored on the other side of the wharf.

Bob


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on January 31, 2009, 12:19:11 pm
Quote

rjs wrote:
The webcam mentioned above

http://www.brest.maville.com/vivre/webcam.php#

now showing Anglian Earl going alondside the Clem. She was previously moored on the other side of the wharf.

Bob


AT 1218 UK time it looks like she is at the bow taken the tow ,

WATCH THIS WEBCAM


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Michel FLOCH on February 02, 2009, 07:34:51 am
Hi,

News of the day about the Clem :

http://www.brest.maville.com/actu/actudet_-L-ex-Clem-pret-a-larguer-les-amarres.-Mais...-_loc-812188_actu.Htm

Michel


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: JonHare on February 02, 2009, 10:32:28 am
The Northern Echo


French Protestors in ship campaign threat
http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/search/4093190.French_protestors_in_ship_campaign_threat/


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: JonHare on February 02, 2009, 10:40:22 am
Quote


Translation

The former Clem ready to cast off. But ...

The administrative court is considering today, in Rennes, the validity of permits to start. His answer will fall rapidly. For a few hours, the case of the former Clemenceau will move. From the military port of Brest to the courtroom of the Administrative Tribunal of Rennes. At 14 am 30 today, that is where the action will be considered in the association of emergency Acting together for sustainable development (AE2D).

As announced for several weeks, so on the ground that legal win, or lose the battle (1). After several controversies on the ability of the Able UK yard to carry out the dismantling, the presence of 700 tonnes of asbestos materials on board, the scraping of the hull of the ship, on the opportunity to deconstruct in Brest, etc.. Finally, we know.

and then what?

Because technically, as the captain said Commander Bertrand Hudault, Communications of the maritime prefecture, on our side, everything is ready. It is the Able UK yard to determine the date of departure. " This should not delay too. The tug that had chartered for the operation is in Brest since Friday and each day of detention costs.

While, the former aircraft carrier désamianté and will be dismantled by Able UK yard in Hartlepool, north-east of England. The small British company has pledged to demolish the former Clemenceau for only 10.7 million euros when its competitors asked two to four times more.

The steel will be resold to the metallurgical company Corus, a subsidiary of the Indian group Tata. The money so recovered will be deducted from the final invoice. In the end, the French hoped that the deconstruction of the former aircraft carrier does not cost more than 5 million. Almost a white.

Remains a mystery

How much asbestos is there on board the ex-Clemenceau, which was partially désamianté before his departure for India? This remains the great mystery. "45 tonnes", argued the defense minister at the time, Michèle Alliot-Marie, at the time of departure for India. Cautious, the Navy today is careful not to give a figure. "The record will be made at the end of deconstruction" itself does today.


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Michel FLOCH on February 02, 2009, 04:04:22 pm
Last Minute - Brest
16:32 - Monday, February 02nd, 2009

  Ex-Clemenceau: the decision of the judge known in the afternoon
The president of the administrative court of Rennes will say from this afternoon if he suspends or not the transfer of the ex--Clemenceau in England, as well as asks for it the environmentalist associationAE2D (Act  for the environment and the sustainable development). The audience took place at 2:30 pm. It ended at about 4 pm.
The director of legal affairs of the Ministry of Ecology, Thierry Girardot, exposed the point of view of the State.

Michel


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Guest on February 02, 2009, 04:08:27 pm
Hi All

Quite an interesting piece of video from the Greythorpe Yard on the BBC Tees web site @
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7855955.stm

Regards


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: JonHare on February 02, 2009, 04:57:34 pm
http://www.brest.maville.com/actu/actudet_-Depart-du-Clemenceau-feu-vert-du-tribunal-administratif_-812967--BKN_actu.Htm

Leaving Clémenceau: green light of the tribunal

The Administrative Tribunal of Rennes has just rejected the request of opponents from the former aircraft carrier Clemenceau from the port of Brest to the scrap yard-removal of the port of Hartlepool (Great Britain).

The judge will give rennais motivation that tomorrow morning, associations environmentalists who oppose his departure could bring an appeal before the Conseil d'Etat.

This appeal is suspensive, but the time it was drafted and submitted, the Navy will have time to leave the ex-Clemenceau. This departure could take place within the next 24 hours.


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: JonHare on February 02, 2009, 04:59:15 pm
So hopefully the French Navy can get the Clem out tomorrow and away to England before an appeal hearing gets the chance by the sounds of the translation.


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: eclaire on February 02, 2009, 05:00:46 pm
No sign of anything on the webcam  as yet and anglian earl  moved away earlier today. Fingers crossed!
claire:-}


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Michel FLOCH on February 02, 2009, 05:31:23 pm
Seen well Jonathan.

I exactly was translating the article. You were faster than me.

Intense activity on the front of the aircraft carrier at this end of the afternoon.
The floating crane of the naval base was at work :

http://i67.servimg.com/u/f67/12/57/48/58/lundi_10.jpg


http://i67.servimg.com/u/f67/12/57/48/58/lundi_11.jpg

The departure approaches...


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: JonHare on February 02, 2009, 07:17:31 pm
Quote

Michbreiz wrote:
Seen well Jonathan.
I exactly was translating the article. You were faster than me


Over the past month I had been searching the French Yahoo for info on Le Clem. Found my sister's French Dictionary/ Translation, found that to be slow so done a search for an online translator and found this:
http://www.french-linguistics.co.uk/translate/
Which has worked a gem with the various French articles, by copying and paste.

I wonder how many people will be watching the Brest webcam tomorrow.


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Michel FLOCH on February 03, 2009, 07:25:57 am
Hi all,

The Clem leaves today or tomorrow. The articles in the newspapers are here:

- http://www.brest.maville.com/actu/actudet_-L-ex-Clemenceau-pare-a-appareiller-aujourd-hui-_loc-813235_actu.Htm

- http://www.letelegramme.com/ig/generales/regions/finistere/ex-clemenceau-depart-imminent-03-02-2009-232840.php

I do not have time to translate, because I have to go to my spot and although I have only 5 Km to join him, the roads are icy and snowy.

Another webcam that gives overview of the naval base, the bay and the mouth.

- http://www.mairie-brest.fr/cam/

Regards

Michel


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: eclaire on February 03, 2009, 07:38:19 am
Rough translation of the first article
 Feb 9th is mentioned as the possible date into Tees


The baroud honor supporters of its decommissioning in France has failed. Nothing prevents the former aircraft carrier to leave BrestNothing precludes the departure of the former Clemenceau to England. Yesterday, the Administrative Tribunal of Rennes has not reversed the trend. He did not hear the arguments advanced by David Rajjou, counsel for the association Action for Environment and Sustainable Development (AE2D). Acting in, he rejected the request for suspension of transfer of the former aircraft carrier
The hearing lasted all in all an hour and a half. It was chaired by a single judge, the chairman of the tribunal itself, Hervé SALUDEN, indicating that the matter was of some importanceMe Rajjou tried to cast doubt on the validity of the French decision to dismantle the British industrial Clem'par Able UK. For its part, the Director of Legal Affairs, Ministry of Ecology, Thierry Girardot, maintained that the case had been treated in accordance with all statutory provisions.The fight of the pot against the iron pot? Anyway, after a deliberation of an hour, the president of the tribunal set out the meaning of his decision to the parties. Rejecting the measures introduced by AE2D suspension, it was de facto removed the last legal obstacle preventing the former aircraft carrier to join EnglandHervé SALUDEN that will give the reasons for its decision. It is perfectly legal but it may give rise to comments. The losers did not lose. "The Clemenceau was to leave, he leaves. It is a political decision, "Jean-Paul storm Hellequin, president of the association Mor Glaz, after the hearingOn the Navy, no one openly bulwark yesterday afternoon. It still felt a certain satisfaction emerge. "Legally speaking, nothing precludes the departure of the hull," said one to the maritime prefecture. Without giving the date and time of departureWhen device ex-Clemenceau? Officially, the decision belongs to the company Able UK, which is responsible for towing. Tides are favorable to arrive around February 9 in the port of Hartlepool, where the old aircraft carrier to be dismantled. The crossing takes between four and six days, it is logical to consider a departure todayAs a first step, tugs of the naval base and Tenacious Malabar Clem'du will leave the military port. Buffalo will also participate in the maneuver. Once completed passes, the Anglian Earl will take over. This will be the end of a virtual soap opera that lasted from 2003


and the second one.....

After more than two and a half years of waiting, the Clemenceau is about to be towed to England. A relief for the authorities who are a burden away 30,000 tons of scrap metal and asbestos
The broom of the two offshore tugs Marine, Tenace and Malabar, pushers of the naval base, and tug of English could be today or tomorrow at the latest. Yesterday evening, the maritime prefecture was still awaiting the decision of the English site. The output of the bay will be homeless with military vessels.
The tug then eighths English alone in the hull for the convoy to England. The show will be worth the candle for all those who have the chance to follow the maneuvers and changes in the convoy near the tip of Portzig along the path of the funnel, and water, provided, however, to keep 300m away (arrested préfets maritime Atlantic, Channel and North Sea). Boats, sailing gear, and divers? Bathers? must respect the security perimeter around the convoy. The decree states that? It is also prohibited for any person or group of people to climb aboard the hull, by whatever means?. Wind south-west of 4 to 5Beaufort, with peaks at 6Beaufort (45Km / h) in the Channel, not facilitate the task of tugs. Wind is also provided on the following days, but it seems pretty well geared (south-southwest). Sensitive feedback of the channel
The trip should last between four and six days to reach the dismantling of Hartlepool, near Newcastle, on the banks of the River Tees. The water depth must be sufficient to reach the dock where waiting four old American vessels
But the return of the newly dredged channel looks difficult for the tug Anglian Earl, flagged Islands Barbados. The vessel must be routed to the basin site operated by Able UK dock and made as demanded by the French customer


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Michel FLOCH on February 03, 2009, 08:34:35 am
Let's go!

A local radio announced the departure for 11:00.


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: JonHare on February 03, 2009, 09:05:14 am
http://www.brest.maville.com/actu/actudet_-L-ex-Clemenceau-part-ce-matin-pour-la-casse_-813661--BKN_actu.Htm

The ex-Clemenceau this morning for the case

The ex-Clemenceau this morning the military port of Brest for the breaks. He leaves his mooring dock around 11am and will be transferred to a large natural harbor of Brest by the number of vessels of the naval base. It will then be delivered to the ocean tug Anglian Earl who tow up to Hartlepool, Great Britain. This is where the old aircraft carrier désamianté and will be dismantled. At the current weather forecast, the time of crossing should be for the tugboat company, four days.


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Michel FLOCH on February 03, 2009, 10:00:45 am
The Clem left the dock.


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Nathan on February 03, 2009, 11:16:13 am
Finally, she is on her way!

Will be interesting to see if Anglian Earl decides to state the ETA on her AIS.

Regards


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Robert J Smith on February 03, 2009, 12:03:10 pm
A couple of photos of her at Portsmouth just before she was decommissioned.

http://www.shipspotting.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=823077
http://www.shipspotting.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=823076

I hope the weathers good when she arrives at Hartlepool, look forward to seeing the photos.

Bob


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: JonHare on February 03, 2009, 12:54:59 pm
Hartlepool Mail

Le Clem on its way
http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/Le-Clem-on-its-way.4939827.jp


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Michel FLOCH on February 03, 2009, 03:11:55 pm
It is without any regret that I post on this topic for the last time.

The Clemenceau is now en route to England. Some pictures of departure:

http://www.shipspotting.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=825665
http://www.shipspotting.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=825666
http://www.shipspotting.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=825667
http://www.shipspotting.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=825669
http://www.shipspotting.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=825674
http://www.shipspotting.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=825671

Farewell Clémenceau ...


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: JonHare on February 03, 2009, 08:11:58 pm
The Northern Echo

Clemenceau leaves France for Hartlepool
http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/4096801.Clemenceau_leaves_France_for_Hartlepool/
(love the comments made)


Teesside Evening Gazette

Former aircraft carrier sets sail for Teesside
http://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/teesside-breaking-news/2009/02/03/former-aircraft-carrier-sets-sail-for-teesside-84229-22843765/


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on February 03, 2009, 08:38:54 pm
Quote


Hi Michbreiz,

Great photos, In England the phrase we would use when a ship like that sails is " good riddance" :-)

Photos on Riversea by Jaques Carney:-

http://www.riverseainternational.co.uk/hom...rs/shiplist.htm

How many tugs have they used???


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: JonHare on February 03, 2009, 10:17:52 pm
BBC Tees


Carrier heads for ghost ship firm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/tees/7866993.stm

Also in this article is a clip of a radio interview about the Clemenceau with Able UK Managing Director, Peter Stephenson.


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Paul Sherwin on February 04, 2009, 01:49:49 am
Good Evening
Just a quick note to say that robindesbois.org has just published worldwide shipscrapping activity for September - December 08 . Click ' English ' option to read. For some bizarre reason they haven't printed a French version !!
Scrap price down to 200 - 250 USD a ton.


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: JonHare on February 04, 2009, 11:38:35 am
Able UK Press Release on Clemenceau

AIRCRAFT CARRIER BEGINS JOURNEY
http://www.ableuk.com/pressreleases.shtml

Hartlepool Mail

Le Clem sets sail
http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/Le-Clem-sets-sail.4941943.jp

The Northern Echo

Controversial 'ghost ship' heads for North-East
http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/4099487.Controversial____ghost_ship____heads_for_North_East/


Teesside Evening Gazette

Contaminated warship on its way for recycling on Teesside
http://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/teesside-breaking-news/2009/02/04/contaminated-warship-on-its-way-for-recycling-on-teesside-84229-22852004/


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Kelvin Davies on February 04, 2009, 07:56:24 pm
Not only departed but ewll on her way now.
At 20:00 this evening, they are about 20 miles North of Guernsey, doing a gentle 4 knots with 4 more days to go.
You lads up north should be OK as ETA is allegedly 10:00 on the 8th. A nice Sunday morning treat for you!


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Nathan on February 04, 2009, 08:20:34 pm
Well noticed!

Lets hope she sticks to that ETA.  :lol:

Regards


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on February 04, 2009, 10:47:43 pm
Quote

kelvin wrote:
Not only departed but ewll on her way now.
At 20:00 this evening, they are about 20 miles North of Guernsey, doing a gentle 4 knots with 4 more days to go.
You lads up north should be OK as ETA is allegedly 10:00 on the 8th. A nice Sunday morning treat for you!

High water on the Tees is about 1500 , this tide table is for the  Tyne
add 20 minutes for the Tees, so there is plenty of time to set your cameras up
 Tyne tide table (http://www.pol.ac.uk/ntslf/tides/?port=0032)


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: JonHare on February 04, 2009, 10:56:15 pm
2248hrs this evening Anglian Earl is steaming at 6.5 knots just passing about 10nm of Alderney showing on AIS. I would think that the convoy would be passing thru the Dover straights tomorrow.


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: JonHare on February 04, 2009, 11:00:49 pm
Tide for Sunday 8th River Tees Entrance
http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/coast/tides/tides.shtml?date=20090208&loc=0185

Afternoon tide 1440 at 5.2m


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: JonHare on February 04, 2009, 11:45:07 pm
On Able UK website in the news section they are giving updates on Clem's progress.
http://www.ableuk.com/news.shtml


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on February 05, 2009, 12:03:25 am
she will probably start her approach 1 hour before high water ,I have found her ;-  

she is the one in blue

ANGLIAN EARL DETAILS (http://www.marinetraffic.com/ais/shipdetails.aspx?MMSI=314166000)


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: JonHare on February 05, 2009, 05:26:57 pm
Hartlepool Mail

As Le Clem nears, hints at more to come.
http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/As-Le-Clem-nears-hints.4950187.jp

Able UK hopes to bring in one or two more ships before the cofferdam is completed.


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on February 05, 2009, 07:35:14 pm
Quote

cawky wrote:
she will probably start her approach 1 hour before high water ,I have found her ;-  

she is the one in blue

ANGLIAN EARL DETAILS


Not a "ping" for 20 hours ,I wonder if they have turned there ais off!!

Just been looking at the tide tables and there is a huge tide due on Wednesday the 11 th:- Tide table (http://easytide.ukho.gov.uk/EASYTIDE/EasyTide/ShowPrediction.aspx?PortID=0185&PredictionLength=7)


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Kelvin Davies on February 05, 2009, 11:03:00 pm
Don't worry, they are still plodding along.
As of 23:00 GMT, they are making 8 kts just off Deal, having rounded the corner off Dover. Still showing the same ETA
Kelvin


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Paul Sherwin on February 06, 2009, 02:03:59 am
re suitable tides there seems to be a better tide on Moday afternoon rather than Sunday afternoon. I think they would much rather operate in daylight. But wind could be a deciding factor, and a high wind forecast for Monday could persuade them to go for Sunday if it arrives on time. There must be concerns about this operation going wrong, and blocking the channel would be disastrous. If they chose Monday afternoon, that would still leave 4 more rising tides to refloat if it grounded. If they waited for Wednesday, then they would be trying to refloat on falling tides if it went wrong.


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Kelvin Davies on February 06, 2009, 06:38:20 am
The BBC has this morning produced an interesting piece on the yard at Hartlepool, focussing on preparations for the arrival of the Clemenceau.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7872650.stm
During this video/audio piece, the Able representative refers specifically to the arrival on Sunday.
The tow is not showing up on AIS this morning but was last seen at 02:26 east of Southend.


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: jeffuk13 on February 06, 2009, 07:42:40 am
damm missed shame she didnt go past Deal in the day time :-(


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: eclaire on February 06, 2009, 08:13:51 am
All these mentions in the press of a Sunday arrival *could* be a big bluff to try and sneak her in, but they wont want her sat out in the teesbay for long so if they are still on track Sunday is looking likely.
Other than the Gare, where is the best place to see her from?
claire:-}


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on February 06, 2009, 09:27:54 am
I bet she will not be far away by tonight , at 0100 last night she was off the Thames.
Watch this space!!

Update:-ANGLIAN EARL just south of Lowestoft at 0910 today.


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Mike on February 06, 2009, 09:34:44 am
by Ellwood on 2008/6/26 10:48:59

Hi Nathan

Nice looking ship - see http://www.shipspotting.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=517427

Interesting history since she was decommissioned:

In December 2004, before Clemenceau set sail for India, Greenpeace started protesting against France's plans to outsource the scrapping of the 27,000-ton warship laden with toxins such as asbestos, PCBs, lead, mercury, and other toxic chemicals in India in violation of the Basel Convention.

Hi Steve
Looking at some of the recent pictures of her with all that rust and bits stripped off they should not have any difficulty in scrapping her as she will probably fall apart.
She is not that big anyhow similar to the Ark Royal and a midget compared to the likes of the US carrier Nimitz (91.000 ton).
Still its work for the lads! and hope you all get some good pictures!
Regards
Mike :-)


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: JonHare on February 06, 2009, 11:04:01 am
Quote

eclaire wrote:
Other than the Gare, where is the best place to see her from?
claire:-}


Anywhere along the Hartlepool/ Seaton Carew seafront. Also the Blue Lagoon at the North Gare Nature Reserve, where you can get shots like this
http://www.jhphotos.co.uk/html/able_uk_9.html
http://www.jhphotos.co.uk/html/able_uk_13.html
http://www.jhphotos.co.uk/html/able_uk_1.html


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: tony on February 06, 2009, 03:45:15 pm
Hi
The " Clemenceau / Q790 " has a firm order of 12.00 am on Sunday 08/02/2009  to enter the Tees.See link.

http://www.thpal.co.uk/teesport/shippingreports/SR-10-ShippingMovementsNext7Days.asp

Regards

Tony


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Kelvin Davies on February 06, 2009, 05:42:26 pm
Slight change of plan perhaps; the schedule is now showing "Estimated" 17:00
Worse; the BBC weather forecast is clouds and poor visibility.
Let's hope it all changes before then!


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Nathan on February 06, 2009, 07:28:25 pm
Hi Kelvin,

I think you have got a little mixed up there. They are both due into Teesbay at 17:00 on Saturday, if you scroll down to Sundays movements you will see that there both under FIRM ORDER at 12:00.

Regards


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: JonHare on February 06, 2009, 07:37:31 pm
Quote

spotter50 wrote:
Hi The " Clemenceau / Q790 " has a firm order of 12.00 am on Sunday 08/02/2009  to enter the Tees.See link. http://www.thpal.co.uk/teesport/shippingreports/SR-10-ShippingMovementsNext7Days.asp

Tony




I hope you mean 12.00 pm as 12.00am is 0000hrs/ midnight. ;-)


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: eclaire on February 07, 2009, 09:50:12 am
Interestingly Anglian earl is not shown as coming in. Do you think this is an oversight on the schedule or will she hand over to the Tees tugs to take her in?


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Adrian Ford on February 07, 2009, 10:03:53 am
I have noticed that the Tug Janus is sitting off teeside, could she be waiting for her?.


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: eclaire on February 07, 2009, 10:14:15 am
Anglian Earl now shown as in at 12 but not bething, then out again at 1.30. Must have been a schedule blip earlier.  If its going out at 1.30 thats still before high tide so presumably it will hand over before the TERRC?
claire:-}


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: andeedob on February 07, 2009, 10:39:22 am
Back on AIS - just off Filey as of this morning.


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on February 07, 2009, 11:24:32 am
I think The river tugs will take over the tow and bring the carrier in as they have plenty of power on the Tees,also, I also think they have been switching the AIS off on the Tug.


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Nathan on February 07, 2009, 11:59:53 am
When the Anglian Earl came onto the Tees in 2007 with the barge S44. She was also down as 'River Only'. However she towed the barge upto the turning circle i think it was. It was the same with the Carlo Magno and Primus, on three occasions they brought the TERRC barges in and didnt berth. They towed them to the turning circle before turning themselves and departing.

We can but wait and see, again  :lol:.

Any of you Tyne lot going to pay a visit?

Regards


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: buck rogers on February 07, 2009, 04:23:57 pm
hi,
iv"e been following this story amongst other things on the website with interest.on sunday im taking my daughters down to watch her coming in.
could someone please tell me exactly what time she is due to be towed into the tees,and which frequency will the chatter be on,on my scanner(its digital).
i will hopefully get some photos too.
thanks to all on here for the informative info so far,especially the ais links.


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: eclaire on February 07, 2009, 05:12:22 pm
Channel 14 is usually Tees pilot. Should come into the river at 12.00 if it stays to ETA.


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Guest on February 07, 2009, 09:24:44 pm
Hi All

Best of luck to those members going down to the Tees tomorrow to capture the events for posterity. May the weather be kind to you all and I for one look forward to seeing the fruits of your labour and possible frost bite  :-)

I wont be there unfortunately as I had a prior arrangement to buy my son and his partner 'baby equipment' and as a first time Grand Parent that has to come before my hobbies.

Regards


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Nathan on February 07, 2009, 10:12:04 pm
Hi Steve,

Congratulations mate, shame you cant make it down.

Regards


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Kelvin Davies on February 07, 2009, 11:14:18 pm
Cawky,
Well there you have it, bonny lad!
Now showing on AIS again at 23:10, Anglian Earl has just steamed right past Hartlepool.
As I right, the speed just came down from 6 to 2 knots.
Best of luck with the weather etc tomorrow.
Kelvin


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on February 07, 2009, 11:34:28 pm
see next post


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on February 07, 2009, 11:43:20 pm
Edited by Cawky-

Kelvin , I had my beer goggles on last night and  I thank you for the PM

I appologise to all .


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Roy Walters on February 08, 2009, 12:06:48 am
new member, first post, Hi

the Earl has not sailed past Hartlepool. The Earl is sitting straight out from the old lifeboat station at Redcar. I have a first floor living room window with a view from South Shields to Whitby. I've followed it up tonight, around the back of Alfa Britannica. A triangle of white lights sat on the horizon followed by a red light at maybe 6-700m to the stern. The light is not good enough to make out Clem. If my horizon calculation is correct, its 6 miles out? It came back on AIS at 23:10 but has been sat there since 22:45.

see you on the Gare.


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on February 08, 2009, 10:13:13 am
Oh no my PC with the hiplotter on is acting up ,I will try and get it back on as soon as possible


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Guest on February 08, 2009, 10:29:49 am
Quote

cawky wrote:
Oh no my PC with the hiplotter on is acting up ,I will try and get it back on as soon as possible


Hi Brian

Always the case that when you REALLY need a PC they go on the blink!

Looking at AIS Live, the Tees Pilot Launch Greatham is on her way out to the Anglian Earl, so it looks good for the 12.00 arrival  :-)

Regards


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Kelvin Davies on February 08, 2009, 10:42:54 am
Steve,
I was just watching the antics on AIS and the Greatham is on its way out for the second time this morning. I wonder what that is about? Forgot the Blue Riband perhaps?
I also noticed the tug is apparently going round in circles.
The better news for the local enthusiasts is that the BBC web site is showing an outbreak of sunshine at 12:00.
Incidentally, it does seem to have sailed past Hartlepool; they are all currently 6.5 miles NE of Garrison Point. Alfa Britannia is a couple of miles due East of Redcar.


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on February 08, 2009, 10:49:21 am
Steve ,I managed to restart my shiplotter , but Anglian Earl was fading .
Kelvin , the pilot boat is probably delivering riggers to handle the tow ropes on the carrier, were she is now is a straight line into the Tees approach channel entrance (http://www.thpal.co.uk/teesport/port_approach.asp)


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Guest on February 08, 2009, 10:54:57 am
Quote

kelvin wrote:
Steve,
I was just watching the antics on AIS and the Greatham is on its way out for the second time this morning. I wonder what that is about? Forgot the Blue Riband perhaps?
I also noticed the tug is apparently going round in circles.
The better news for the local enthusiasts is that the BBC web site is showing an outbreak of sunshine at 12:00.
Incidentally, it does seem to have sailed past Hartlepool; they are all currently 6.5 miles NE of Garrison Point. Alfa Britannia is a couple of miles due East of Redcar.


Hi Kelvin

Probably taking onboard a camera crew - bound to be a 'news-worthy' event.

Don't suppose they could simply 'drop anchor' and thus the constant 'restricted movements' to keep the load close to the Tees.

Greatham now headed back into the Tees.

Regards


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on February 08, 2009, 11:00:08 am
Svitzer Bootle on her way out


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: neil mercer on February 08, 2009, 02:39:31 pm
She's home now in the boro  :-D


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Nathan on February 08, 2009, 03:52:24 pm
Hi All,

What a great day!

Clemenceau is now moored in the TERRC Basin, she was brought in by Svitzer Bootle, Svitzer Sun, Fiery Cross, Ormesby Cross and Coatham Cross came to assist with berthing.

The Tees Harbour Launch, Tees Sentinel, Coatham, Greatham and two police vessels escorted the convoy in.

Just sorting the pictures out now 8-)

Regards


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: JonHare on February 08, 2009, 04:44:55 pm
BBC News 24 has ran a story on the arrival of the Clem into Hartlepool.

Looking on the BBC News website I have found these couple of stories.

A controversial end to 'The Clem'
Saturday 7th Feb
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/tees/7874028.stm

Ghost ship arrives in north-east
Sunday 8th Feb
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/tees/7877204.stm


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: JonHare on February 08, 2009, 06:21:38 pm
Here are two story clips from the BBC:

French ship joins 'toxic' fleet
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7877293.stm


'Toxic' ship arrives in Teesside
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7877820.stm


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: JonHare on February 08, 2009, 10:43:54 pm
I have just finished uploading some pictures of Clemenceau's arrival into Hartlepool today.

http://www.jhphotos.co.uk/html/able_uk_19.html
http://www.jhphotos.co.uk/html/able_uk_20.html
http://www.jhphotos.co.uk/html/able_uk_21.html
http://www.jhphotos.co.uk/html/able_uk_22.html
http://www.jhphotos.co.uk/html/able_uk_23.html
http://www.jhphotos.co.uk/html/able_uk_24.html

Also uploaded a couple of shots of TERRC from December 2008.
http://www.jhphotos.co.uk/html/able_uk_17.html
http://www.jhphotos.co.uk/html/able_uk_18.html


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Nathan on February 09, 2009, 04:12:10 pm
Heres a few of mine:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/23286690@N03/3264840934/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/23286690@N03/3264766042/in/photostream/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/23286690@N03/3264766032/in/photostream/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/23286690@N03/3264766014/in/photostream/

Theres also afew of mine on this site to.

Regards


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: JonHare on February 09, 2009, 05:53:39 pm
BBC LOOK NORTH
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/puffbox/hyperpuff/audiovideo/england/tyne/7879645.stm

BBC are speculating that Able UK has secured RFA Sir Percivale for scrapping.


Also being reported on Ship Nostalgia forum.
http://www.shipsnostalgia.com/showthread.php?t=24336


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: holedrille on February 10, 2009, 05:12:33 pm
Can anyone explain why Able do not seem to have cut anything up yet, even ships they have had for years? They seem to be more of a collector than a scrappy. If they are not careful they will run out of storage room.
David


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Guest on February 10, 2009, 05:46:12 pm
Quote

holedrille wrote:
Can anyone explain why Able do not seem to have cut anything up yet, even ships they have had for years? They seem to be more of a collector than a scrappy. If they are not careful they will run out of storage room.
David


Hi David

My 'understanding' is that once Able have all of the vessels that they are to demolish within their 'area' they will build a coffer dam to effectively turn that into a dry dock. They will then start on the scrapping process which will prevent any leakage into the Tees.

Still a few vessels still to go......

Regards


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Nathan on February 10, 2009, 06:17:18 pm
Hi David,

Plus, it has taken ABLE quite a long time to get the permissons etc needed to dispose of the waste. Its been one long battle for Peter Stephenson, but at least things are definatly looking up for him and his company. It will be interesting to see what else he brings to the Tees.

Regards


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: JonHare on February 14, 2009, 12:29:25 am
Hartlepool Mail

Five more ghost ships could be on the way
http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/Five-more-ghost-ships-could.4976037.jp

Upto five more ships could be heading to TERRC before the dock is sealed off and drained. Two of which are British ships and neogotiations are continuing into being for other vessles to come in. But is expected that plans to complete the dry dock will proceed on time, wether the vessels arrive or not.


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: JonHare on February 20, 2009, 11:52:29 pm
Hartlepool Mail ran a page of letters about Able UK/ Clememenceau, mostly against the project.

Flying pigs and jobs galore
http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/letters/Flying-pigs-and-jobs-galore.5000699.jp

Not in Mr Stephenson's bavck yard
http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/letters/Not-in-Mr-Stephenson39s-back.5000689.jp

Dock wasn't built for the job
http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/letters/Dock-wasn39t-built-for-the.5000695.jp

Don't drag town down
http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/letters/Don39t-drag-town-down.5000694.jp

More Le Clem letters in tomorrows Mail.

I wonder if they will publish any pro Able UK/ Clemenceau letters?


A letter published from last week
200 jobs, not 1,000
http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/letters/200-jobs-not-1000.4967853.jp


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: JonHare on February 21, 2009, 12:04:29 am
Just trying to search the internet to see if there has been any more progress about what other ships are due in before sealing of the basin is completed.

Came across this from the Teesside Evening Gazette. Although this shows what articles there are. What caught me is the little icon just down on the right.
http://icteesside.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0001head/ghostships/index.cfm?page=5
"Let the boats come in" An Evening Gazette campaign

I didn't realise they had ran a campaign of such.


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: JonHare on February 21, 2009, 10:23:58 am
Just a quick look (before I go to work) at the Hartlepool Mail website letters page.

Time for storm to abate
http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/letters/Time-for-storm-to-abate.5003717.jp

A letter from a fella who has been supporting the project thru the letters page for years. By giving clear and precise information to try and put right the false allergations that protestors have been making.


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: JonHare on February 21, 2009, 10:03:19 pm
A very interesting article regarding the Clemenceau and Able UK. More interesting are all the positive comments below the article.

Scrap trade - The Engineer Online
http://www.theengineer.co.uk/Articles/310080/Scrap+trade.htm


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on February 21, 2009, 10:25:21 pm
Those are the type of comments I have been getting off people ( ex navy , ex shipyard workers , etc ) hwen I mention what is happening at the Able yard.

Wait till they fill the dock then pump it out , now that will be a site to be seen Jon


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Guest on February 21, 2009, 10:27:01 pm
Quote

cawky wrote:
Wait till they fill the dock then pump it out , now that will be a site to be seen Jon


Hi Brian

Problem is that we won't get to see it  :-o

Regards


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: JonHare on February 23, 2009, 06:14:49 pm
Hatrlepool Mail

Letters page

Proud of what we do
http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/letters/Proud-of-what-we-do.5005701.jp
A letter from Mr Stephenson


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: eclaire on February 23, 2009, 08:36:58 pm
I do love his turn of phrase! He is so polite but says it all - previously he referred to FOH as 'minor irritants', and in this letter he talks about credible environmental groups like Greenpeace supporting him, clearly showing that he views FOH as non credible but without him actually saying so!! Ace!!

Thanks for keeping posting these Jon! Hopefully the other ships will be on their way soon
claire:-}


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Nathan on March 07, 2009, 01:55:29 pm
Hi All,

There has been a arson attack at ABLE UKs yard, the Hartlepool Mail are covering the story: Link. (http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/Ghost-ships-yard-damaged-by.5049283.jp)

Regards


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: JonHare on March 08, 2009, 07:50:57 pm
Driving past TERRC this afternoon, I saw there has been some movement in the basin. Clem has slightly closed the gap between her and Canisteo and the gap has totally gone between Clem and Canopus/ Compass Island. So looks like all 3 have moved to the East slightly. Wonder if there will be any more arrivals before the closing of the Basin. Also some red containers have been hoisted up onto the rear of Canopus.


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on March 11, 2009, 06:20:43 pm
This is a bit off topic, but for all the members in the Tees area I have found a write up on the new survey vessel TEES SENTINEL:-

http://www.maritimejournal.com/archive101/2009/march/online_news/teesport_welcomes_its_sentinel

the site it is on is also worth a read.


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Nathan on March 11, 2009, 09:02:12 pm
Hi Brian,

Good find!

I caught her on the the off chance moored up last year: Tees Sentinel (http://www.shipspotting.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=803350)

She was on the River when Clemenceau came in with her survery sign replaced with a police sign, its one fast little craft!

All the best


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on March 11, 2009, 10:08:37 pm
Hi Coatham,
I remember her being out that day the Clem came in , this is why I posted on here ,I was at Seaton when she arrived ,but did not take any photos of the carrier, one thing I noticed was how long she was.
Regards
Brian


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: JonHare on April 02, 2009, 09:39:29 pm
31-Mar-09 - Able UK Ltd
PRESTIGIOUS AWARD FOR ABLE UK - RECOGNITION OF EXCELLENCE
http://www.ableuk.com/pressreleases.shtml

It is nice to hear that Able UK are being rewarded. What speaks volumes is the number of categories that Able UK were looked at.


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: JonHare on April 04, 2009, 09:48:50 am
I have found an aerial shot of TERRC from December 2008. The picture shows some of the works done on the quays, building of the dam, dredging in the channel.
http://www.daylife.com/photo/05iu3P7bvX99w?q=River+Tees

What I am trying to find is if there are any aerial shot taken recently after/ as Clemenceau arrived.


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: andeedob on April 04, 2009, 11:38:56 am
i havent seen any publically available sine the Clemenceau arrived.

Google maps was updated (although prior to the above) recently  , showing one of the NW Hutton barges alongside the quay.

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?near=ts25+2bq&q=google&f=p&rl=1&ie=UTF8&ll=54.632866,-1.188562&spn=0.003068,0.010943&t=h&z=17


Title: Re: ABLE UK
Post by: JonHare on April 11, 2009, 10:02:45 pm
I had a drive past TERRC this afternoon. I would safely say that there will be no more arrivals by sea into the basin, as there is only a very small gap left in the pilings across the mouth. So they won't be anything else coming in till after the gates reopen at the end of the year.

Anyone who hasn't got a shot of HMS Kellington at Stockton-On-Tees should be very quick as she is due to be removed for scrapping this coming week, by Able UK. I am unsure of how/ where they will scrap her, as I have heard a couple of theories. 1) Her Tops sides took off and Hull towed to the A66 bridge and lifted onto the river bank and scrapped there. 2) She will be removed and transported in sections and lorry/ low loader to TERRC for scrapping.

What ever way we will find out this coming week what happens to her.


Title: Re: ABLE UK
Post by: holedrille on April 16, 2009, 10:08:35 am
I presume Able are intending to make the entrance watertight and then pump the dock out, making it 'the biggest dry dock in the world' (quote).
This means that they will be operating in the mud around the ships, and cannot bring anything in or out for a long time. Surely it is easier to slice the tops off and gradually work down as they float up.
Have they actually stared any cutting yet?
David


Title: Re: ABLE UK
Post by: JonHare on April 17, 2009, 09:50:47 pm
Next vessel to arrive next week is the fire damaged Viking Vulcan http://www.shipspotting.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=665456
She is due to be towed in by the tug Forth Drummer. Showing on the Tees forecast. http://www.thpal.co.uk/teesport/shippingreports/SR-10-ShippingMovementsNext7Days.asp


Title: Re: ABLE UK
Post by: JonHare on April 17, 2009, 10:05:12 pm
Quote

holedrille wrote:
I presume Able are intending to make the entrance watertight and then pump the dock out, making it 'the biggest dry dock in the world' (quote).
This means that they will be operating in the mud around the ships, and cannot bring anything in or out for a long time. Surely it is easier to slice the tops off and gradually work down as they float up.
Have they actually stared any cutting yet?
David


Yes the dock will become watertight by the building of a bund around the entrance of the basin.

The entrance should be reopen by the end of the year to allow the next batch of ships to come in for recycling. It is understood that will the bund is in place construction of the dock (basin) gates will be done, so then it will be just a case of opening and closing the gates everytime.

Dismantling work cannot start untill the dock is closed and dried. The only dismantling work that has been carried out at TERRC is the sections from the North West Hutton platform, which has been done on dry land.


Title: Re: ABLE UK
Post by: JonHare on April 21, 2009, 11:25:43 pm
A couple of pictures of HMS Kellington at Stockton, where she is to be dismantled in situ. I don't know if sections of her will come to TERRC for processing or she will be processed on site at Stockton Riverside.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/31848041@N08/3463384485/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/31848041@N08/3463384493/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/31848041@N08/3463384495/


Title: Re: ABLE UK
Post by: JonHare on April 27, 2009, 02:34:32 pm
Hartlepool Mail

Preparing Viking invasion
http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/Preparing-for-Viking-invasion.5206189.jp

With the arrival of the vessel Viking Vulcan expected to arrive this week.

Also mentioned in the article is the jackets of the North West Hutton due, with 5 barges planned each section of 2,000 tonnes and 120ft high. I guess that will be a sight to see. With work getting underway over the May Bank Holiday.


Title: Re: ABLE UK
Post by: JonHare on May 11, 2009, 09:28:54 pm
Today the future of the Tuxedo Royale has been plunged into uncertainty, with the news that her owners (Absolute Leisure) have gone into administration.

With this in mind I can see that with no future projects on the horizon, and the administrators will be wanting to make as much money from the assests of the company. I can see Tuxedo Royale making a one way trip to a scrapyard. So for quick money a sale to the scrappies is almost a certainty. And I would most likely say that it would be Able UK taking her the short journey to TERRC for scrapping.

Anybody with any thoughts?


Title: Re: ABLE UK
Post by: Guest on May 11, 2009, 10:37:06 pm
Quote

JonHare wrote:
/>Anybody with any thoughts?


Yes, why move her from the TERCC in the first place - as clear as your nose on your face that she was going to join the Tuxedo Princess in the scrapyard - no money for frivolity in this climate of credit crunch!

Regards


Title: Re: ABLE UK
Post by: Nathan on May 12, 2009, 04:47:45 pm
Hi Steve,

I think she was towed out to make room for Clemenceau. Once Tux was out of the way they then moved two of the American ones over to the other side of the basin so Clemenceau could slide right in the middle. Im unsure, but when Tux was first put in the basin, it was just for storage? But I think were all agreed that she is probably past her sea worthy life.

All the best

- Coatham


Title: Re: ABLE UK
Post by: JonHare on May 13, 2009, 09:46:46 pm
This evening saw the last of the arrivals via sea, through the basin entrance untill probaly December time. Fire ravaged Vulcan Viking was towed in.
http://www.british-images.fotopic.net/p58205136.html
http://www.british-images.fotopic.net/p58205147.html
http://www.british-images.fotopic.net/p58205133.html
http://www.british-images.fotopic.net/p58205155.html


Title: Re: ABLE UK
Post by: C on May 14, 2009, 11:50:37 am
Quote

Ellwood wrote:
Quote:

JonHare wrote:
/>Anybody with any thoughts?


Yes, why move her from the TERCC in the first place - as clear as your nose on your face that she was going to join the Tuxedo Princess in the scrapyard - no money for frivolity in this climate of credit crunch!

Regards

I thought the Tux P had gone to Greece....The same place as the Tux R was heading!


Title: Re: ABLE UK
Post by: eclaire on May 26, 2009, 03:16:52 pm
According to the pdports schedule today they are all ''sailing'' on 1st June......lol. Presume they are just shufling around within the basin or something. If the cofferdam is almost complete they wouldnt be able to get out presumably
claire:-}


Title: European consultation on ship dismantling - ends 06/06/09
Post by: andeedob on May 28, 2009, 09:07:13 am
There is a current public consultation on the proposals for a  European ship recycling convention available on-line , if anyone is interested: "The success of a future possible Community policy for better ship dismantling depends largely on the participation of the stakeholders who are involved with ship dismantling issues and have the information and experience which must be taken into account. The European Commission is launching this process to encourage and allow stakeholders to provide their  commentstarget="_blank">http://ec.europa.eu/environment/consultations/ship_dismantling_en.htm


Title: Re: European consultation on ship dismantling - ends 06/06/09
Post by: JonHare on June 06, 2009, 11:28:27 pm
Able UK's Press Releases
http://www.ableuk.com/pressreleases.shtml

14-Apr-09 - Able UK Ltd
ABLE UK BEGINS WORK ON ‘KELLINGTON’ DISPOSAL

The company awarded ship dismantling contracts by the United States and French Governments will this week start work on the disposal of a former British Navy ship in what has been described as an emergency situation.

Able UK has stepped in to help after the former minesweeper Kellington, began to take in water at its moorings on Stockton Riverside. Originally it had been hoped to move the vessel—once used as a Sea Cadet training centre but unused for a number of years because of safety concerns—out of the water for disposal however recent vandalism means that it will have to be dismantled at the berth where it has lain since first coming to the River Tees in 1993.

With its world-class TERRC (Teesside Environmental Reclamation and Recycling Centre) at Graythorp, Able UK is an international leader in the field of marine dismantling –its most recent arrival was the former French aircraft carrier Clemenceau, now known as the Q790.

Able's Executive Chairman Peter Stephenson says that, although the Kellington, is only a fraction of the size of ships such as the Q790, it will be dismantled to the same exacting standards.

He explained “The Kellington’s fully laden weight was 440 tons, compared to the Q790’s 32,780 tonnes, but in many respects the disposal challenges are similar and we will use the expertise we have gathered over many years to ensure that it is carried out safely and efficiently.

“We have in fact been assisting the various agencies involved in the Kellington’s disposal for some time, but obviously the recent incident which led to the influx of water and the ship starting to list heavily means that the operation will have to be undertaken at the riverside rather than, as we had originally hoped, moving the vessel to a slipway area close to the Tees Barrage. This is not ideal and certainly not the best practice that we adopt in dry dock conditions but, as the Environment Agency have acknowledged, this is an emergency situation.

“Our staff have inspected the vessel over the last few days and this week we will be beginning the initial preparatory stages of the dismantling process which, with a small team of six working in confined circumstances, will take a couple of months to complete.”

Launched from the Sunderland shipyard of William Pickersgill in 1954, the Kellington was one of the ‘Ton’ class of vessels especially designed with a mahogany hull and superstructure of aluminium alloy and other non ferrous materials aimed at reducing its magnetic field for minesweeping duties. With a length of 152ft and a beam of 28ft, she had a total crew of 33.

In its early years the Kellington saw service in Malta and Cyprus and then was on patrol around the UK, as well as being involved in NATO and national mine counter measures, including those based in Gibraltar.

-----END-----


Title: Re: European consultation on ship dismantling - ends 06/06/09
Post by: JonHare on June 06, 2009, 11:29:34 pm
7-May-09 - Able UK Ltd
KELLINGTON GUN JOINS HEUGH BATTERY COLLECTION

An important item of military history is to be added to the gun collection at the Heugh Battery in Hartlepool—thanks to the dismantling of the former minesweeper Kellington now underway in Stockton.

Able UK, which is undertaking the dismantling of the vessel at Stockton Riverside will tomorrow present the anti-aircraft gun removed from the Kellington to John Southcott, Chairman of the Heugh Battery Trust, which has been restoring the historic site over the past decade and has built up an impressive collection of artillery equipment.

The gun from the Kellington is the Bofors 40mm weapon, dating back to 1943 and will complement the army version already on display at the Heugh.

Able UK recently began the dismantling operation on the Kellington after the vessel began to take in water and list heavily. The work is now well underway and is expected to take around two months to complete.

The Heugh Battery dates back to 1859, but is most famous for its role in defending Hartlepool when the town was attacked by three German battle cruisers in December 1914. During the engagement 101 civilians were killed, together with nine soldiers, four sailors and nine German seamen—and the two gun captains at the Heugh were awarded the first-ever pair of Military Medals for their bravery.

-----END-----


Title: Re: European consultation on ship dismantling - ends 06/06/09
Post by: JonHare on June 06, 2009, 11:29:59 pm
14-May-09 - Able UK Ltd
‘VIKING’ AMONGST NEW ARRIVALS AT TERRC

Another vessel has arrived at Able UK’s TERRC (Teesside Environmental Reclamation and Recycling Centre) facility at Able Seaton Port, together with further sections from the largest oil platform ever to be removed from the North Sea.

The 469 tonne Viking Vulcan, a former trawler converted to an oil rig supply vessel, was towed to the Tees from Leith in Scotland.

Meanwhile the first of several giant barges bringing sections of the jacket from the North West Hutton platform has also arrived at TERRC with more to follow over the coming months. This is the second stage of the contract—the topside modules from the platform arrived at the Able facility last year.

Says Peter Stephenson, Able UK’s Executive Chairman, “The Viking Vulcan is, of course, dwarfed by some of the other vessels berthed at TERRC, especially the former French carrier Clemenceau—now known as the Q790—which weighs over 32,000 tonnes—which arrived here in February and is the biggest ship recycling project ever undertaken in Europe.

“Over recent months we have been continuing with the construction of the ‘coffer dam’ at TERRC which will enable us to carry out the dismantling of the Q790 and the other US and UK vessels berthed there in dry dock conditions.

“We are now completing the work on the cofferdam and over the coming weeks will undertake the process of draining the basin with the dismantling operations starting in July.

“The huge sections from the North West Hutton platform do not require access to the basin itself—they arrive on barges and are then wheeled onto the site for dismantling and recycling”

The TERRC facility covers an area of 126 acres with the actual dry dock basin covering 25 acres with a 116 metres wide access, making it the biggest dry dock in the world. Since acquiring the former shipyard and offshore fabrication yard in 1996, Able UK has invested £50million in its development.

-----END-----


Title: Re: European consultation on ship dismantling - ends 06/06/09
Post by: JonHare on June 06, 2009, 11:30:47 pm
3-Jun-09 - Able UK Ltd
ABLE UK PROJECT SET TO DELIVER MASSIVE BOOST FOR SOUTH HUMBER

Plans for what will be one of the biggest port related developments in the country—covering almost 1,500 acres on the South Bank of the Humber—have been submitted to North Lincolnshire Council.

Able UK Limited, which has already completed the first phase of its Able Humber Port Facility (AHPF), is now putting forward proposals for land north of Immingham which will eventually create around 5,000 jobs and provide what the company’s Executive Chairman Peter Stephenson describes as the ‘vital impetus in exploiting the enormous potential of the South Humber Bank’

Included in the proposals are plans for a wide range of developments designed to provide the services needed for the continuing development of the South Humber Bank which in recent years has been the UK’s fastest growing ports and logistics centre.

These include the creation of transport depots, warehousing and external storage areas, together with offices, a business park and a motel. There will be road and rail links to Immingham Port and the Humber Sea Terminal and a large part of the site will also provide landscaping and provision of areas for wildlife and ecology.

The land, which is the largest site available for port-related developments in the UK, is earmarked for industrial use in the Local Plan and Able sees it as the next stage forward following on from the 200-acre ‘southern’ development where vehicle storage specialists GBA currently store up to 35,000 vehicles of various manufacturers at any one time.

The proposals have been the subject of public consultation, as well as discussions with the Statutory authorities, local business community, Yorkshire Forward and environmental and wildlife interests.

Says Peter Stephenson “We have been developing our interests in the area over the past decade and share the views of Central Government, Yorkshire Forward, North Lincolnshire Council, and the newly created South Humber Gateway Board that development of the South Humber Bank is of national and international importance.

“Already, for example, it is the location of the UK’s largest port, complex, home to over a quarter of the UK’s refinery capacity, and is very much the preferred investment location for an increasing number of potential clients. We are able to offer a big space in the right place and even in current economic circumstances we are handling a number of exciting enquiries.

“Crucial to meeting the ambitions for fully developing the area’s potential has to be in providing the right business environment and the types of facilities and buildings required to attract new companies and inward investors. This is a great place to do business—ideally placed for both UK and European markets—and with transport links set to further improve we are well placed to take advantage of economic recovery and ensure that the Humber remains the largest tonnage port in the UK.

“We have demonstrated our confidence in the potential of the South Humber through our £50m investment in the existing ‘south' Able Humber Ports Facility. We expect to invest a further £100million into the development of the ‘north’ facility and the overall investment coming into the area is likely to be the region of £1.5billion, with in the region of 5,000 jobs created by the time the project is completed in 2020.

“We have been greatly encouraged by the very positive reception we have already received from all of the agencies involved in working to bring jobs and investment to the South Humber and North Lincolnshire area and we hope that we can build on that support and move forward with our plans as quickly as possible.”

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Title: Re: European consultation on ship dismantling - ends 06/06/09
Post by: JonHare on June 15, 2009, 10:11:12 pm
Hartlepool Mail

Massive platform arrives for scrapping
http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/Massive-platform-arrives-for-scrapping.5365689.jp

In the article it says the huge rigger crane at TERRC will be used to offload the barge.


Title: Re: TERRC
Post by: JonHare on June 20, 2009, 11:16:10 pm
Just a couple of shots from the beginning of this month on the progress of the scrapping of HMS Kellington on the Stockton Riverside.
http://www.jhphotos.co.uk/html/june-_aug_2009_3.html
http://www.jhphotos.co.uk/html/june-_aug_2009_4.html
http://www.flickr.com/photos/31848041@N08/3592889695/

Some pictures of the latest barge arriving with parts of the jacket onboard.
http://www.jhphotos.co.uk/html/june-_aug_2009_6.html
http://www.jhphotos.co.uk/html/june-_aug_2009_9.html
http://www.jhphotos.co.uk/html/june-_aug_2009_11.html
http://www.jhphotos.co.uk/html/june-_aug_2009_15.html

With a few others pictures.
http://www.jhphotos.co.uk/html/june-_aug_2009.html

Judging by the bottom width of the jacket section, this would become the top of the next section. I would say that the next section may actually be wider than the barge itself. This was the 7th barge of 10, so the last two sections would be well wider than the barge. Would the barges get bigger towards the final section,

I see that the jack up rig Ensco 72 is down on the forecast for TERRC Basin Basin 1-9 for Lay-By. While driving past this week it looks as though the Basin is fully sealed. Is there a section open still? Or is it a berth on the outside where she will be going.

I see that some more signals have been placed along the railway branch, so I would presume work on the railway sidings for TERRC should start very soon.


Title: Re: TERRC
Post by: Nathan on June 22, 2009, 11:59:25 am
The Ensco 72 rig is now FIRM ORDER at 14:30, Wednesday. No tug showing yet...

- Coatham


Title: Re: TERRC
Post by: Guest on June 24, 2009, 09:08:35 am
Hi Nathan

She is lying off the Tees now - tugs in support are:

Englishman - IMO 9373058
Zeus - IMO 9130729
Multitug 17 - IMO 9481752

Regards


Title: Re: TERRC
Post by: JonHare on June 25, 2009, 10:47:14 pm
Able UK news page
http://www.ableuk.com/news.shtml

Ensco 72 is in for warm stacking.
Here are a couple of shots of her coming in yesterday.
http://www.jhphotos.co.uk/html/june-_aug_2009_26.html
http://www.jhphotos.co.uk/html/june-_aug_2009_28.html
http://www.jhphotos.co.uk/html/june-_aug_2009_30.html
http://www.jhphotos.co.uk/html/june-_aug_2009_32.html


Also I have just read the pdf file of the case (bottom of news page) of the Clemenceau hearing.


Title: Re: TERRC
Post by: JonHare on July 03, 2009, 05:43:37 pm
A shot of the yard with the Ensco 72 visable behind the Clem. Also of note is that one of the ships has moved forward.
http://www.jhphotos.co.uk/html/june-_aug_2009_35.html

An article todays Hartlepool Mail says that the Ensco 72 has arrived to undertake routine maintenance.

The Ensco 101 was towed in this afternoon, as a thunderstorm was fast approaching.
http://www.jhphotos.co.uk/html/june-_aug_2009_42.html


Title: Re: TERRC
Post by: Mark davies on July 03, 2009, 05:59:44 pm
Also  joined by a larger cousin the ENSCO 101 under tow by  Stril Commander.


Title: Re: TERRC
Post by: JonHare on July 03, 2009, 06:24:30 pm
PRESS RELEASES

26-Jun-09 - Able UK Ltd
ENSCO 72 JACK-UP RIG ARRIVES
http://www.ableuk.com/pressreleases.shtml


Title: Re: TERRC
Post by: JonHare on July 16, 2009, 10:39:28 pm
Hartlepool Mail
Able 'to begin recycling by end of summer'
http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/Able-39to-begin-recycling-by.5459987.jp


Title: Re: TERRC
Post by: eclaire on July 30, 2009, 07:04:50 pm
Any more news on the fate of the Tux? Will she follow her sister to Aliga do you think? or will able take her in the next batch when they have chopped up the Clem and the Ghosties?
claire:-}


Title: Re: TERRC
Post by: JonHare on August 28, 2009, 02:24:31 pm
Had a drive past TERRC a couple of hours ago. It looks like scrapping is starting. There was a gas axe at work on the Compass Island.


Title: Re: TERRC
Post by: Mark davies on October 13, 2009, 12:30:03 pm
ENSCO 70 due to arrive on the Tees on Thursday in tow of Maersk Tackler, to layup at ABLE.

She has just completed a charter to Maersk O&G.


Title: Re: TERRC
Post by: JonHare on October 22, 2009, 08:22:57 pm
Get your shots of the ships before they dissapear.

Hartlepool Mail

Ghost ship bosses ready to start dismantling work
http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/Ghost-ship-bosses-ready-to.5754213.jp


Title: Re: TERRC
Post by: JonHare on November 13, 2009, 11:46:07 pm
Cutting is well and truely underway now. The whole back end of the Caloosahatchee has gone. I think it may only take 2 weeks to completely dismantle her. I hope to get some shots tomorrow and will have them online as soon as I can.


Title: Re: TERRC
Post by: JonHare on November 15, 2009, 11:16:27 pm
Here are some pics from earlier this afternoon just before sunset.

Ship scrapping has commenced finally at the Able UK  TERRC facility. This is the rear end of the Caloosahatchee which is dissapearing.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/31848041@N08/4106561069/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/31848041@N08/4106561063/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/31848041@N08/4106561075/

A shot of the sheer scale of the projects at TERRC can easily be seen in this image of ships and oil rig jackets.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/31848041@N08/4106561081/

Compass Island
http://www.flickr.com/photos/31848041@N08/4106646185/

Canopus & Clemenceau
http://www.flickr.com/photos/31848041@N08/4106646201/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/31848041@N08/4106646175/

It has taken along time getting to this stage where ships are finally able to be scrapped at TERRC. I just hope that operations can run smoothly and swiftly without any more hinderance.
And hope to see some very fine stunning vessels entering TERRC over the years. Can we bring in some of the USN Super Carriers that are due for scrapping over the next couple of years please, would make the Clemenceau look like a fishing vessel in terms of size.  :lol:


Title: Re: TERRC
Post by: eclaire on November 17, 2009, 05:28:42 pm
http://www.nebusiness.co.uk/business-news/latest-business-news
says the cofferdam is now complete. Did they start cutting up before draining?
claire:-}


Title: Re: TERRC
Post by: JonHare on November 17, 2009, 07:32:33 pm
No they never started cutting up before the dock was dry. They only started cutting the superstructure/ hull once the dock was dry.


Title: Re: TERRC
Post by: JonHare on November 19, 2009, 08:26:43 pm
Just to add, that a drive past this afternoon has revealed that cutting off the bows have occured to the French Aircraft Carrier Clemenceau & MARAD ship Compass Island.

A shot from Seal Sands
http://www.flickr.com/photos/31848041@N08/4116969661/

A zoomed in shot of the fronts of the ships.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/31848041@N08/4116969655/


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: marryjohn on December 03, 2009, 12:00:18 pm
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Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on December 03, 2009, 10:19:23 pm
Quote

marryjohn wrote:
In early care and education trends online education has main part because this is a popular and best way for get certifications and degrees without joining institutes.


What are you sniffing?


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Nathan on December 04, 2009, 09:58:22 am
:lol:


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: JonHare on December 30, 2009, 03:03:03 pm
An aerial view can be found here of the scrapping under way.

http://www.nebusiness.co.uk/business-news/latest-business-news/2009/12/29/able-uk-praised-for-work-on-decommissioning-clemenceau-51140-25486988/

At least the French Environmental groups praise Able UK for a good safe job they are doing.


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: eclaire on December 30, 2009, 04:29:47 pm
nice pic - and positive article- is  the pic from the summer before they started cutting them up as they look quite whole?
claire:-}


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: JonHare on January 01, 2010, 01:56:24 pm
The Caloosahatchee has had her bow and stern scrapped. Canisteo, Compass Island & Clemenceau have all had their bows removed. The only ship that looks whole is the Canopus. The picture was taken sometime after the 4th December 2009, as the 4 leg'd jack up rig is the GSF Britannia which came in on the 3rd December 2009. So I would say about the middle of December the picture was took.


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: JonHare on January 10, 2010, 09:29:34 pm
The scrapping of the Caloosahatchee is at an advanced stage. Seen from today (10/01/2010).  
http://www.flickr.com/photos/31848041@N08/4262744733/

I am surprised that pretty much all the structures on the deck have vanished in a matter of days since I last passed the yard.

With the announcement that a number of off-shore wind farms are to be built around the British Waters, I wonder if this will provide more work at the TERRC yard, as it has planning permission to build wind turbines.


A couple of stories from the local papers recently.

Hartlepool Mail
Jobs go at yard but more on way
http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/Jobs-go-at-yard-but.5967983.jp

Able UK praised for work on decommissioning Clemenceau
http://www.nebusiness.co.uk/business-news/latest-business-news/2009/12/29/able-uk-praised-for-work-on-decommissioning-clemenceau-51140-25486988/
(This link has an aerial shot of the TERRC facility from a couple of weeks ago)


Also not connected with ABLE UK/ TERRC is plans to build a purpose built oil rig decomissioning vessel at the Corus site on the Tees.
Allseas new ship "Pieter Schelte". Plans for the ship and base to be built on the Tees. With this specialist ship, if it is based on the Tees could prove to be a good spin off for Able UK's TERRC facility. As it may make it easier for decommissioned rigs to be brought in on this vessel and bought to TERRC in one go. As well as being delivered to its own base.
http://www.nebusiness.co.uk/business-news/latest-business-news/2010/01/07/allseas-tees-plans-move-a-step-closer-51140-25546248/


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: andeedob on January 29, 2010, 05:58:50 pm
The Hartlepool Mail is reporting today that the local authority have to pay Able nearly 1/2 million pounds over the planning application 'delay'

http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/Taxpayers-pick-up-470000-ghost.6026509.jp


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: ChasB46 on February 05, 2010, 11:44:08 am
BBC reports Clemenceau on fire http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/tees/8500164.stm


Title: Re: ABLE UK
Post by: JonHare on March 29, 2010, 06:13:35 pm
A couple of shots from the 18th March.

The remains of the Compass Island. I think the time taken from when it looked like a ship (bridge/ housing etc) to this image took about a week and a half.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/31848041@N08/4464978313/

There was a small oil based fire in the keel of the Caloosahatchee, which was contained and the fire brigade allowed to let it burn itself out.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/31848041@N08/4464978307/

The veiw from the bridge is starting to get difficult to see the WD's, as the piles of scrap are starting to get large.

GSF Britannia
http://www.flickr.com/photos/31848041@N08/4376284898/

Rigs
http://www.flickr.com/photos/31848041@N08/4376284866/

An alternative view of the Clemenceau from the river Tees.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/31848041@N08/4376284874/

I will be putting a few more pics up this week (hopefully, when I get a bit of time) onto my www.jhphotos.co.uk website.


Title: Re: ABLE UK
Post by: JonHare on April 17, 2010, 09:42:39 am
Just an update as to how things are progressing at TERRC.

The Caloosahatchee & Compass Island looks to have been completely scrapped now, as there is no visable sign of them from the road bridge. Also one of the WD barges (the one that was moored next to the quayside) looks to have been scrapped.

The Clemenceau's scrapping is progressing well, a start has been made on the rear of the ship. About half of the back end has been removed either side of the centre line of the carrier. With the internal floors with daylight visable lighting up the internals.

It won't be long before the major demolition externally of the Canisteo will begin, as a fair bit of cutting into sections has already been undertaken.

The Canopus still looks fully intact, wether they are waiting to finish of the Clemenceau before demolition starts on the Canopus.


Whilst looking on the Hartlepool Council website I came across the Planning applications page for Able UK/ TERRC which includes plans, comments, responses etc
http://edrms.hartlepool.gov.uk:80/PAP/SEARCHRESULT.asp?appnumber=H/2007/0543

Link for the latest plans and layout of the yard can be found here:
http://edrms.hartlepool.gov.uk/PAP/showimage.asp?j=H/2007/0543&index=92356
This plan shows the extension of the basin to dig out and expand the old internal dry dock.

I will try to get more shots from the bridge of the progress in the coming couple of weeks when I get the chance.


Title: Re: ABLE UK
Post by: JonHare on May 09, 2010, 08:38:27 pm
The general cargo ship Eider is currently berthed at TERRC 10, which arrived this morning and is loading scrap metal.


Title: Re: ABLE UK
Post by: JonHare on May 29, 2010, 03:23:20 pm
http://www.flickr.com/photos/31848041@N08/4648084071/

Latest shot of Clemenceau, she is now a hollow shell, as can be seen from the image. It looks like she is on course for completion in June.

Also the next ship to load scrap has arrived this morning, the  A. B. Dublin.


Title: Re: ABLE UK
Post by: JonHare on August 15, 2010, 11:14:13 pm
I have had a shock when I went past the yard today, on how empty the basin is looking.

The Canisteo not much remains.

The Clemenceau is the biggest shock, only one starboard side section remains upright, the rest totally dissapeared.

The Canopus is starting to really dissapear. A good proportion of the front of the ship has gone and a good start has been made to the rear.

With the amount of progress that has gone on and the speed of the scrapping. I think that by the end of September there will be none/ or very little of the ships remaining in the basin.

I haven't got any pictures of the ships recently due to big piles of scrap blocking the view of the remains of the ships.  

So the next question will be. What will be the next arrivals to face the axe?


Title: Re: ABLE UK
Post by: JonHare on August 16, 2010, 07:15:12 pm
Just been given this link over on the shipais forum.

A bit of info about Able UK's new piece of machinery with an interesting shot of the Clem.
http://www.hub-4.com/news/2534/able-uk-invests-in-specialist-liebherr-industrial-rehandler

I had a drive past this afternoon and saw that they had moved a bit of scrap. So I was able to get some pics, I will try and get them online a bit later.


Title: Re: ABLE UK
Post by: JonHare on August 16, 2010, 10:11:53 pm
Here are a few shots from today.

Canopus
http://www.flickr.com/photos/31848041@N08/4899387474/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/31848041@N08/4899387444/

Canisteo
http://www.flickr.com/photos/31848041@N08/4899387468/

Last section of Clemenceau
http://www.flickr.com/photos/31848041@N08/4899387456/


Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: JonHare on January 21, 2011, 10:32:25 pm
Hartlepool Mail
Ghost ship work completed
http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/Ghost-ships-work-completed.6696774.jp


The scrap has been dissapearing fast over the couple of months, with numerous ships and trains serving TERRC. So time to look forward and wait for what is next to arrive.

Just hope they get the dock gates built and operational fairly quickly, or if anything would they demolish the bound and bring stuff in and rebuild bound again then build and install the gates during the next round of ship dismantling.

A couple of shots of the scrap trains serving the TERRC.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/31848041@N08/5015328234/   
http://www.flickr.com/photos/31848041@N08/5014562705/ 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/31848041@N08/5014562699/   
http://www.flickr.com/photos/31848041@N08/5370715917/

So it looks like that within a couple of months we could be seeing the next ships etc arriving for scrapping. I just hope they will be some interesting arrivals.


Title: Re: ABLE UK Regional Growth Fund winner
Post by: JonHare on November 01, 2011, 07:41:11 pm
An application to secure funding from the Regional Growth Fund has been granted to develop Able Seaton Port.

Local media have ran stories relating to the Regional Growth Fund winners.

The Hartlepool Mail
http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/business/job-news/multi_million_pound_boost_for_local_firms_1_3924888

The Northern Echo
http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/local/hartlepool/9336109.__93m_for_jobs___but_is_it_enough_/

I like this quote from the Northern Echo story:

“It will mean, for instance, that we will be able to accommodate the largest aircraft carriers in the world and the largest heavy-lift vessels.”


Title: Re: ABLE Seaton Port
Post by: JonHare on February 07, 2014, 12:29:19 am
http://www.ableuk.com/able-orders-uks-largest-harbour-crane/

Able UK have invested in a Liebherr LHM600SHL mobile crane for the Able Seaton Port facility.


Title: Re: ABLE UK
Post by: JonHare on February 07, 2014, 12:42:55 am
http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/business/jobs-joy-as-hartlepool-offshore-firm-lands-multi-million-pound-contract-1-6423949

I was only reading last week about the award being given to the Pieter Schelte for removal and transportation of the rigs. And I had a feeling that Able UK had a good chance of getting the contract.