Post by: andeedob on June 26, 2008, 12:18:31 PM
ABLE UK - the firm behind the ghost ships - has been granted a waste management licence to dismantle the former US navy ships.Work could now start 'within weeks' following the announcement and bosses say it will attract more jobs and investment in the future.The waste management licence authorises the keeping, treating, or disposal of controlled waste and will allow the company to dismantle ships and marine structures including oil rigs at its facility in Graythorp.Peter Stephenson, chairman of Able UK, said: "I'm thankful, because it means that, within a matter of weeks, we can start work
Post by: Nathan on June 26, 2008, 02:46:13 PM
Finally, they have permisson!
I am looking forward to seeing the aircraft carrier, Clemenceau on the tees...
Regards
Post by: eclaire on June 26, 2008, 03:34:02 PM
claire:-}
Post by: Guest on June 26, 2008, 03:48:59 PM
Nice looking ship - see http://www.shipspotting.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=517427
Interesting history since she was decommissioned:
In December 2004, before Clemenceau set sail for India, Greenpeace started protesting against France's plans to outsource the scrapping of the 27,000-ton warship laden with toxins such as asbestos, PCBs, lead, mercury, and other toxic chemicals in India in violation of the Basel Convention.
On 31 December 2005 Clemenceau left the French port of Toulon to be dismantled in Alang, Gujarat, India.
On 6 January 2006 the Supreme Court of India temporarily denied access to Alang. [2]
On 12 January 2006 the ship reached Egypt, where she was boarded by two Greenpeace activists. [3] Egyptian authorities denied access to the Suez Canal.
On 15 January the ship was finally allowed to pass. This decision was heavily criticised by Greenpeace and other environmental groups. [4] That same day French President Jacques Chirac ordered Clemenceau to return to French waters and remain on standby following a ruling by France's highest administrative court, the Conseil d'
Post by: Nathan on June 26, 2008, 04:19:04 PM
I hope see come at a time which is good for all of us on the Tees! Will you be paying a visit?
I wonder how long its going to take for them to tow here up here...
Regards
Post by: Guest on June 26, 2008, 04:41:05 PM
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coatham wrote:
Hi Steve, thanks for the info!
I hope see come at a time which is good for all of us on the Tees! Will you be paying a visit? I wonder how long its going to take for them to tow here up here...
Regards
Hi Nathan
Oh I'm sure I could manage a trip down to the South Gare to take in the spectacle :lol:
Regards
Post by: Nathan on June 26, 2008, 04:48:39 PM
Knowing my luck it will be a 2am arrival!
Post by: JonHare on June 29, 2008, 01:12:42 PM
Post by: Nathan on June 29, 2008, 01:15:27 PM
There seemed to be alot of movement around the ghost ships, plenty of machinery and cranes, looks like there getting ready to get under way!
Regards
Post by: C on June 29, 2008, 08:10:18 PM
The info you asked for is................Kingston from Poole (Tug) pulling B72 Sliedrecht NL split hopper..........Forth Drummer (Tug)from Leith pulling Roar.R split hopper..Hope this helps... :-D 8-)
Post by: Nathan on June 29, 2008, 08:25:40 PM
I seen B - 72 on the River Today.
Regards
Post by: C on June 29, 2008, 08:53:34 PM
Post by: Nathan on June 29, 2008, 08:58:56 PM
Post by: JonHare on June 29, 2008, 11:41:02 PM
Interesting that the plans include railway sidings to be built for taking the scrao away. I wonder where these trains will be destined for and how many trains a week there will be.
Best shot of the ships in dock so far.
http://www.jhphotos.co.uk/html/january_2008_11.html
Next Saturday Im working 0700- 1600. Coatham, if you are over this way next Saturday. It is the Hartlepool Maritime Festival. I think I read somewhere there might be a tall ship (or two) visiting, that is if I read it right. lol
Post by: Nathan on June 30, 2008, 06:38:37 AM
I might pop over...
Regards
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on June 30, 2008, 10:29:44 PM
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JonHare wrote:
I had a drive along earlier this evening after dropping my sister off at home. There seems to be a lot more stuff in there now. It has been building up since they got the planning permission.
Interesting that the plans include railway sidings to be built for taking the scrao away. I wonder where these trains will be destined for and how many trains a week there will be.
Best shot of the ships in dock so far.
http://www.jhphotos.co.uk/html/january_2008_11.html
Next Saturday Im working 0700- 1600. Coatham, if you are over this way next Saturday. It is the Hartlepool Maritime Festival. I think I read somewhere there might be a tall ship (or two) visiting, that is if I read it right. lol
Hi Jonathon,
the port of Tyne has had a new facility for accepting scrap by trains ,it is run by a firm called T J Thompsons.
Her is a link to there website:-
http://www.tjthomson.co.uk/aboutus.htm
Brian
Post by: JonHare on July 01, 2008, 12:36:53 AM
Yesterday (Monday) I watched The Tug the Carlo Mango, pulling the barge H627 into the Tees. On the shipping reports THPA site is saying the barge is something to do with Able UK. I have sent Coatham a shot of it coming in taken at the Blue Lagoon.
Post by: Nathan on July 01, 2008, 07:03:12 AM
To me it looks like part of a rig, i can see a helicopter pad on there as well and also, what looks like one of them towers they use to flare off.
If you look down the forecast, the barge is due to move to TERRC at a later date.
Regards
Post by: JonHare on July 01, 2008, 08:57:00 PM
26-Jun-08 - Able UK Ltd
ALL SYSTEMS GO FOR WORLD-CLASS RECYCLING CENTRE
The final stage in the long-running project to develop Able UKʼs TERRC (Teesside Environmental Reclamation and Recycling Centre) facility at Seaton Port, Graythorp, has now been completed with the announcement from the Environment Agency that it has issued the company
Post by: JonHare on July 01, 2008, 08:58:01 PM
01-Jul-08 - Able UK Ltd
MAJOR RECYCLING CONTRACT PROVES TERRC POTENTIAL
Confirmation of the potential for Teesside to become a word-class centre for ship recycling has come again today with the announcement from the French Ministry of Defence that it has awarded the contract for the dismantling of a former aircraft carrier to Able UK Ltd.
It is expected that the vessel, the former Clemenceau
Post by: Nathan on July 01, 2008, 09:06:01 PM
I hope its August time!
Regards
Post by: andeedob on July 02, 2008, 04:33:09 PM
From BP Website:
The heavy lift vessel Hermod, operated by Heerema Marine Contractors, is now on location at the North West Hutton installation to carry out the removal of the platform
Post by: Guest on July 02, 2008, 04:42:46 PM
This piece from the BBC News Web Site:
"Ghost ship firm to scrap carrier
A French aircraft carrier which was too toxic to break up in India is to be scrapped by a firm embroiled in a row over so-called US "ghost ships".
Hartlepool-based Able UK said the deal to scrap the 32,700-tonne Clemenceau is the biggest of its kind in Europe.
The vessel contains 700 tonnes of asbestos and was recalled to France from India in 2006 amid concerns over its toxic elements.
Able overcame environmental concerns over its recycling plans last month.
The company is due to begin recycling work on the 780ft-long (238 metre) vessel later this year.
President Jacques Chirac had to call the ship back from India two years ago after the furious Socialist opposition embarrassed him over the decision to send France's waste abroad while "lecturing the world on the environment".
The Clemenceau, once the pride of the French navy, has spent the past five years being moved around as officials tried to find a final resting place for the vessel.
Launched in 1957, the Clemenceau was the mainstay of the French naval fleet and sailed over a million nautical miles before being decommissioned in 1997.
Work on the Clemenceau will take place alongside existing contracts to scrap four vessels from the American National Defense Reserve Fleet.
The company faced tough opposition to its recycling plans, but was given final approval by the Environment Agency last week.
Able UK chairman Peter Stephenson said: "We have always argued that, given the opportunity, we would lead the way in recycling ships to the highest possible environmental standards.
"This has been underlined with the decision by the French authorities that we should undertake the work on the Clemenceau, which will be the biggest ship recycling project so far handled by any European yard."
Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/england/tees/7484758.stm
Regards
Post by: Nathan on July 02, 2008, 04:42:50 PM
I thought the sections of rig were part of the 'Phillips Maureen' rig.
22 seperate modules, i wonder if it will be the same barge each time or 22 differant vessels. Looks like we will be seeing more large barges.
Where is the NW Hutton Platform?
Regards
Post by: Guest on July 02, 2008, 04:54:30 PM
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coatham wrote:
Where is the NW Hutton Platform?
Regards
Hi Nathan
The NW Hutton Field lies within the Brent Province of the East Shetland Basin and is located in Block 211/27, 130 km NE of the Shetland Islands.
Regards
Post by: andeedob on July 02, 2008, 04:54:49 PM
http://www.bp.com/liveassets/bp_internet/globalbp/STAGING/global_assets/downloads/S/6th_Febuary_2003_presentation.pdf
Post by: Nathan on July 02, 2008, 08:41:56 PM
Will the entire jacket be brought down, or in pieces?
Regards
Post by: JonHare on July 03, 2008, 12:33:21 AM
Talk is the French Aircraft Carrier could be here within the next 2 months. I have 2 weeks holiday from work in August. I wonder if it will coincide then. Please.
I wonder how long before work starts on the building of the railway lines/ sidings for the scrap trains. I have heard that start of work on dismantling the US ships could start within the next 2- 4 weeks. I'd be happy to see more of the "Ghost fleet" come to Graythorpe.
Should hopefully be updating my website in the next week or so. To include a section on Able UK's, Graythorpe arrivals and hopefully some shots when dismantling starts.
Just thought on could the arrival be the end of July, but divert it first. So it could be a backdrop for the Sunderland Airshow 26/27th July. Its only just up the coast. One last public display but she meets her maker. :lol: :lol:
Post by: Nathan on July 03, 2008, 03:24:27 PM
I see another barge is due, probably another module from the rig...
I wonder if the port of Brest has a arrival/departure sheet?
Regards
Post by: Guest on July 03, 2008, 04:04:19 PM
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JonHare wrote:
Just thought on could the arrival be the end of July, but divert it first. So it could be a backdrop for the Sunderland Airshow 26/27th July. Its only just up the coast. One last public display but she meets her maker.
Hi Jon
With the potential demonstrations that are likely to take place about the arrival of this vessel from environmentalists I doubt very much if the 'authorities' would want it sat off Sunderland. Anyway, the 'back drop' Royal Naval presence is there for safety purposes, in case one of the aircraft ditches. I think gone are the days when this French Aircraft carrier could provide that service :lol:
Regards
Post by: Guest on July 03, 2008, 04:07:14 PM
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coatham wrote:
Hi Jon,
I wonder if the port of Brest has a arrival/departure sheet?
Regards
Hi Nathan
Here's a link to the Port of Brest - cannot see any movements schedules?
http://www.port.cci-brest.fr/indexen.htm
Regards
Post by: Nathan on July 03, 2008, 04:09:57 PM
Will she be under tow?
Regards
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on July 03, 2008, 04:27:33 PM
She has been towed half way around the world and back in the past few years trying to find a country daft enough to take her!
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coatham wrote:
I just hope no one attempts to block the channel!
Will she be under tow?
Regards
But coming to our country I know the job will be done properly and safe as possibly can be done , unlike some of the beaches in India
http://www.greenpeaceweb.org/shipbreak/
Post by: Nathan on July 03, 2008, 04:31:31 PM
Post by: Guest on July 03, 2008, 04:35:11 PM
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coatham wrote:
Will she be under tow?Regards
Hi Nathan
Yes - decommissioned 4 years ago it wouldn't be viable to maintain her engines purely so that they could be used to transport her to the scrapyard.
Regards
Post by: Guest on July 03, 2008, 04:37:52 PM
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coatham wrote:
Must be one strong tug bringing her down, or perhaps more?
Hi Nathan
I would hazard a guess at well more than one Tug - 3 Ocean Going Tugs at a guess :-)
Regards
Post by: Nathan on July 03, 2008, 04:43:08 PM
3 ocean going tugs, not bad!
Lets hope its a time when we can all see her come in!
Regards
Post by: Guest on July 03, 2008, 04:58:27 PM
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coatham wrote:
Ah right, i see.3 ocean going tugs, not bad!Lets hope its a time when we can all see her come in!
Regards
Hi Nathan
That was just my guess :-o
I would imagine that given her size the Port would want her to come in under the best of weather and light conditions, so I predict a daylight inward movement - perhaps early morning, so may have to camp on the South Gare overnight!
Regards
Post by: Nathan on July 03, 2008, 05:02:57 PM
That way you have guaranteed warmth!
Regards
Post by: Guest on July 03, 2008, 05:09:22 PM
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coatham wrote:
Hi Steve, why not book a B&B on the seafront.
That way you have guaranteed warmth!
Regards
Hi Nathan
But camping allows me to be on the spot should she come in ahead of schedule :lol:
Regards
Post by: Nathan on July 03, 2008, 05:12:15 PM
Its just another 'wait and see' things now!
Fingers crossed :-)
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on July 03, 2008, 05:46:38 PM
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Post by: Brian Cawkwell on July 03, 2008, 06:08:24 PM
here is another link of the air caraft carrier being towed :-
http://webmanager.trendesign.nl/itctowage/wm.cgi?type=content&area=2&lng=NL&id=19&main=1&flash=
I could only reply to this thread by using a reply button on page 3
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on July 03, 2008, 06:10:30 PM
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Post by: Brian Cawkwell on July 03, 2008, 06:14:13 PM
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Post by: Brian Cawkwell on July 03, 2008, 06:16:38 PM
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Post by: Brian Cawkwell on July 03, 2008, 06:17:46 PM
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on July 03, 2008, 07:54:21 PM
Post by: Guest on July 03, 2008, 07:55:35 PM
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cawky wrote:
Maybe one very powerful tug
Hi Brian
However later in the same report the remarkable claim that - 'Dozens of tugboats manoeuvred the aircraft carrier into its berth - the same one it occupied in 1961 when it began 36 years of service with the navy.' :-o
Regards
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on July 03, 2008, 08:01:45 PM
Yes I read that bit, they must have been about the size of the old Quaysider.
I have just sorted the carry on I had on page 5 of this thread , somehow my page would not scroll any further to thleft and the reply box was not visible , I was worried that no one else would be able to reply, that is the reason I was trying to get the topic onto another page. well it si ok now as I scrolled along eventually and altered the post with the enormous link in it .
Post by: Nathan on July 03, 2008, 08:32:26 PM
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Dozens of tugboats manoeuvred the aircraft carrier into its berth
Might be a job for all 6 of the Tees tugs then!
Jon, good idea about adding a page specifically for vessels coming for decommissioning, i might just add one on my mine! (If i see any :-?)
Regards
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on July 03, 2008, 09:21:20 PM
The carrier is 32700 tons , which is not a lot for a ship these days.
How many tugs do those big iron ore ships need?
and they are about 150 000 tons,thou they do have there own engine to assist.
Regards
Brian
Post by: Nathan on July 03, 2008, 09:23:08 PM
Its usually four to a Ore carrier. Like you said, this one does not have a engine to assist. We can but wait and see :lol:
Regards
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on July 03, 2008, 09:59:14 PM
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=54.636244,-1.185923&spn=0.021212,0.047894&t=h&z=14
I think this thread will run for a long time:)
also my mistake on page 5 did not help much 8-)
Post by: Nathan on July 03, 2008, 10:08:41 PM
It doesnt look to bad if they are going to moor it along side the others. But getting it in might be a little tight like you said! Then agian, that satalite image does not show the Tuxedo Royale alongside either!
Post by: andeedob on July 04, 2008, 08:12:32 AM
http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&FORM=LMLTCP&cp=t3513tgx0r0d&style=b&lvl=1&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=22176506&phx=0&phy=0&phscl=1&encType=1
Post by: JonHare on July 04, 2008, 09:07:42 AM
Post by: Guest on July 04, 2008, 04:50:46 PM
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JonHare wrote:
Now that is absolute detail. Cracking images. I can even see my friends dog in the garden, round the corner from me.
Hi Jon
Yes the detail is truly amazing - not your friends dog bu the Ghost Ships :lol:
Regards
Post by: Nathan on July 04, 2008, 04:55:17 PM
However back on the 'ariel' view the ghost ships are no where to be seen!
Regards
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on July 04, 2008, 09:15:14 PM
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andeedob wrote:
This view is more up to date and clearer:
http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&FORM=LMLTCP&cp=t3513tgx0r0d&style=b&lvl=1&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=22176506&phx=0&phy=0&phscl=1&encType=1
yes amazing detail compared to google earth. 8-)
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on July 04, 2008, 09:21:43 PM
Is this ship the Clemenceau?
Post by: Nathan on July 04, 2008, 09:30:05 PM
Note how the base is blurred out compared to the surrondings.
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on July 04, 2008, 09:35:57 PM
i did not notice the difference, but I have just noticed the name of the base:-
Port Millitaire-Arsenal
brian
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on July 04, 2008, 09:39:17 PM
http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&FORM=LMLTCP&cp=50.383923~-4.186242&style=h&lvl=16&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=12567241&phx=0&phy=0&phscl=1&where1=plymouth&encType=1
I worked in that big dry dock in 1991 when the first Gulf war was taking place, it was on the RFA Fort Austin
If you scroll upwards you will see a big crane on the left is a nuclear sub under covers , probably having a huge re fit!!
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on July 04, 2008, 09:44:06 PM
http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&FORM=LMLTCP&cp=56.023883~-3.449407&style=h&lvl=15&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=28425952&phx=0&phy=0&phscl=1&where1=Rosyth&encType=1
looks like Ark Royal is getting her big re- fit
Against the piers are the old disused nuclear subs, could these be eventually heading to the Able yard, watch this space , there is a few of them!!!
Post by: JonHare on July 06, 2008, 10:28:38 PM
http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/Able-to-dismantle-French-aircraft.4239528.jp
In the article it reckons the Clemenceau will be arriving mid August.
Able UK's press release.
http://www.ableuk.com/ableshiprecycling/press-able-080701.htm
Post by: andeedob on July 07, 2008, 08:10:48 AM
'An Environment Agency spokeswoman confirmed that a waste management licence had been granted to Able UK. She said the licence would allow the ship to be brought on to the site and dismantled within 12 months, but other regulatory requirements have not yet been met. The company now needs to apply to the agency for a "transfrontier shipment" permit which would allow the ship to be brought from France to Teesside'
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/jul/02/pollution.france
Post by: faulder4 on July 08, 2008, 10:03:20 PM
Post by: JonHare on July 09, 2008, 10:10:37 PM
It is about half way down the page. A nice shot of her as well.
Post by: JonHare on July 12, 2008, 03:56:43 PM
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coatham wrote:
Quote:Dozens of tugboats manoeuvred the aircraft carrier into its berth
Might be a job for all 6 of the Tees tugs then!
Jon, good idea about adding a page specifically for vessels coming for decommissioning, i might just add one on my mine! (If i see any)
Regards
I have just added a page on Able UK TERRC, Graythorpe. To show arrivals, site and when the dismantling starts, shots of them being dismantled.
The page can be found:
http://www.jhphotos.co.uk/html/able_uk.html
Post by: eclaire on July 15, 2008, 06:32:29 PM
Any definite date yet for Clemenceau to come in?
claire:-}
Post by: Nathan on July 16, 2008, 07:30:44 PM
Nothing on the forecast yet, i am sure we will hear about it when Q790 departs.
I see another barge is now in Teesbay with the tug Carlo Mango, due tommorow at 14:00 EST. The barge (H 541) is due to go into TERRC No.11 berth, i have posted a image of them far out in Teesbay.Click here. (http://www.flickr.com/photos/23286690@NO3/2674365317)
(Forgive the bad quality, camera was at full zoom! Shows how big the cargo is though. )
Regards
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on July 16, 2008, 07:44:58 PM
brian
Post by: Nathan on July 16, 2008, 08:18:16 PM
Lets see if this one works...
http://www.flickr.com/photos/23286690@N03/2674365317/sizes/l/
Regards
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on July 16, 2008, 08:22:58 PM
Post by: Nathan on July 16, 2008, 08:28:15 PM
Your right its probably another module off the North West Hutton rig which is been took to pieces near the Shetlands Islands by the floating crane Hermod. I previous posts it states there are 22 modules, looks like alot more barges!
Regards
Post by: JonHare on July 16, 2008, 11:25:13 PM
http://www.jhphotos.co.uk/html/able_uk_2.html
I will get the big lens out tomorrow, so hopefully get some long shots before I start work. Just hope the rain and cloud will hold off till I get some shots.
Post by: Nathan on July 17, 2008, 07:07:14 PM
H 541 arrived on the river today at 14:41, bound for TERRC No.11 berth. Carlo Mango sailed abit further up to Teesdock No.4. However, Jon Hare told me that he seen them leaving the River. According to Teesport website, H 541 left the River at 18:33 from TERRC No.11 berth and Carlo Mango left from Teesdock No.4.
I went down to the seafront and got some shots of them in the bay, you can see the load better:
H 541 & Carlo Mango - Teesbay (http://www.flickr.com/photos/23286690@N03/2677981676/sizes/l/)
They are due back tomorrow (18th) at 14:30 FIRM. I wonder why they left?
Regards
Post by: JonHare on July 18, 2008, 12:25:06 AM
Looking earlier this evening the barge was about 12 miles north off the Hartlepool Headland. Should be holding there untill tomorrow when she will come back in. Managed to get some good shots of the ensemble coming into Teesmouth earlier. Will sort them out onto my site in the next week or so.
Post by: Nathan on July 18, 2008, 02:56:09 PM
They are forecasted for the 19th now, 15:00 EST
Regards
Post by: Nathan on July 18, 2008, 04:04:33 PM
H 541 & Carlo Mango are now due in tomorrow (19th), 15:00 FIRM.
I will be going down to see them, thats if there ETA doesn't change! :lol:
Regards
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on July 18, 2008, 05:11:39 PM
http://www.newsletterscience.com/marex/readmore.cgi?issue_id=310&article_id=3350&l=1&s=55745
Brian
Post by: Nathan on July 18, 2008, 06:37:06 PM
Well found, interesting article.
The barge and tug are far away on the horizon now.
Regards
Post by: JonHare on July 18, 2008, 07:16:47 PM
Graythorpe is going to become fairly crowded later this summer. The 4 ghost ships, the aircraft carrier, the other couple of ships that are in there, and the oil rig sections.
I would expect the railway lines to be built within the next month to get the scrap flowing out, so to allow many more projects to gain access.
Post by: Chris Fahey on July 18, 2008, 07:32:07 PM
Post by: Nathan on July 18, 2008, 08:06:37 PM
When i was on the seafront earlier, H 541 stood out more, couldnt really see Carlo Magno.
I hope they stick to there time! :lol:
Regards
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on July 18, 2008, 08:10:43 PM
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coatham wrote:
Hi Brian,
Well found, interesting article.
The barge and tug are far away on the horizon now.
Regards
You can subscibe to this newsletter if you want regular maritime information,i would recommend it.This is the latest newsletter:-
http://www.maritime-executive.com/pr/2008/07/17/
Brian
PS here is the tug on the AISSHIPS website:-
http://www.shipais.com/showship.php?mmsi=247153600
Post by: Chris Fahey on July 18, 2008, 08:17:07 PM
Post by: Nathan on July 18, 2008, 08:18:00 PM
Will look into when i get my laptop sorted.
Regards
Post by: Nathan on July 18, 2008, 08:21:34 PM
I think its called 'Steaming' when they do that.
Regards
Post by: Chris Fahey on July 18, 2008, 08:29:50 PM
Post by: Nathan on July 18, 2008, 08:31:54 PM
Either way Carlo Magno will need a top up sooner or later!
Regards
Post by: Chris Fahey on July 18, 2008, 08:40:29 PM
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on July 18, 2008, 08:44:28 PM
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cawky wrote:
looking on google earth at the dry dock , it is going to be one hell of a tight squeeze getting the carrier in.
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=54.636244,-1.185923&spn=0.021212,0.047894&t=h&z=14
I think this thread will run for a long time:)
also my mistake on page 5 did not help much
Well we are already on page 10 guys and it is early days for this thread :-D :-D
I wonder when they are going to put the gates across the dry dock and pump it out????
Post by: Nathan on July 18, 2008, 08:44:46 PM
Lets hope they dont leave this time, dont forget H 627 is sat further up the Tees waiting to move to TERRC after H 541.
Regards
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on July 18, 2008, 08:48:09 PM
Lets all get on to Able and request one!!!!!!!!!!! :lol: :lol: 8-)
Post by: Nathan on July 18, 2008, 08:52:32 PM
That would make our 'follow ups' even easier, all the barges and tugs are still up there. I seen Forth Drummer coming back from the bay about half 3, no barge. Must of been checking the conditions...
Regards
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on July 18, 2008, 08:57:13 PM
Post by: Nathan on July 18, 2008, 09:00:24 PM
100 posts already and the carrier hasnt even left France :lol:
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on July 18, 2008, 09:05:36 PM
[email protected]
I have sent my e mail:-
Dear Sir,
We have a thread running on shipspotting.com on your facility:-
http://www.shipspotting.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=5255&forum=2&viewmode=flat&order=ASC&start=0
We are all interrested in ships only and nothing else,I have suggested on page 10 that it would be great idea if there could be a webcam covering the ship yard so that people like myself could watch what was happening to the ships .
Regards
Brian
who is next
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on July 18, 2008, 09:08:30 PM
this shows you the holding pattern of the tug and the tow:-
http://www.aisliverpool.org.uk/shiptrail.php?mmsi=247153600
Post by: Nathan on July 18, 2008, 09:13:33 PM
She goes quite far out!
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on July 18, 2008, 09:17:10 PM
Also 1900 views
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on July 19, 2008, 12:59:06 PM
http://www.thpal.co.uk/teesport/shippingreports/SR-03-ShipsAtAnchor.asp
Post by: Nathan on July 19, 2008, 01:03:52 PM
Lets hope it comes tomorrow!
Regards
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on July 19, 2008, 03:04:33 PM
Probably the 29 mph gust s that cancelled the incoming. :-(
Post by: Nathan on July 19, 2008, 03:26:49 PM
They are both down for 15:45 EST tomorrow.
The weather forecast doesnt look to bad, not sure about the winds.
Regards
Post by: JonHare on July 19, 2008, 06:11:04 PM
Like I said that there was too many squals about. Which means it would of been too dangerous to safely manouvoure the barge into the dock, even with a load of TUGS ;-) involved.
Post by: Nathan on July 19, 2008, 06:26:44 PM
We had thunder here to...
Just got back in from the gare, the barge is only just visible on the horizon. Fingers crossed for the tomorrow arrival.
Regards
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on July 19, 2008, 06:35:38 PM
http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/uk/ne/teesport_forecast_weather.html
It is still forcasting gusts of 20 mph to 37 mph thou, but it updates all the time.
Post by: Nathan on July 19, 2008, 06:41:59 PM
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on July 19, 2008, 06:49:44 PM
Post by: Nathan on July 19, 2008, 06:55:23 PM
Lets hope they arrive tommorow!
Regards
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on July 20, 2008, 12:05:15 AM
the forcast is changing, it is looking better Nathan, maybe your camera will be working tommorrow afternoon mate :-D :lol: :-)
I was on the drink tonight down at the seafront at sunny South Shields and I saw that massive thing on top of that barge , it looked big mind, but I have seen some big modules leeve the Press yard on the Tyne and the Amec yard, but this is a big load to get recycled .
WE WANT A WEB CAM AT THE ABLE YARD
come guys get them e mails sent :lol: :lol: :lol:
Post by: Nathan on July 20, 2008, 06:00:05 AM
The forecast has improved, however they are still under EST.
Looking outside now (6:55AM) the skies are blue, not a cloud anywhere, yet :lol:.
Fingers crossed.
Regards
Post by: Nathan on July 20, 2008, 09:32:47 AM
The weather this morning - around half 8 - was quite windy and choppy. Barge still under EST for this afternoon.
Regards
Post by: Nathan on July 20, 2008, 11:55:17 AM
Cargo Magno & H 541 are postponed until 16:00 tomorrow (21st), FIRM.
Post by: JonHare on July 20, 2008, 05:35:13 PM
http://www.jhphotos.co.uk/html/able_uk_3.html
http://www.jhphotos.co.uk/html/able_uk_4.html
http://www.jhphotos.co.uk/html/able_uk_5.html
Post by: Nathan on July 20, 2008, 06:51:52 PM
Great shots, i hope they stick to the ETA tomorrow.
Regards
Post by: Chris Fahey on July 20, 2008, 07:24:23 PM
Post by: Chris Fahey on July 20, 2008, 07:24:27 PM
Post by: Chris Fahey on July 21, 2008, 02:25:04 PM
Post by: Nathan on July 21, 2008, 02:39:29 PM
Both are postponed until tomorrow, 4PM , FIRM.
Regards
Post by: JonHare on July 21, 2008, 04:57:55 PM
Post by: Nathan on July 21, 2008, 07:11:49 PM
Just got back from the gare, the weather isnt to bad. However, the waves were causing the tugs to bounce around abit so that could be why they keep getting held off.
Regards
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on July 21, 2008, 10:05:06 PM
Quote
coatham wrote:
Hi Jon,
Just got back from the gare, the weather isnt to bad. However, the waves were causing the tugs to bounce around abit so that could be why they keep getting held off.
Regards
Hi ,coatham , normally when a barge comes in like this one there is no crew on the barge,they will sometimes use the pilot boat on the Tyne to transfer staff to accept the lines off the tugs, maybe the sea is still to rough for the job.
regards
Post by: Nathan on July 22, 2008, 07:28:29 AM
Both are postponed again, but this only a hour. Carlo Magno & H 541 are forecasted for today, 17:00hrs FIRM.
Lets hope they stick to it :lol:
Regards
Post by: Nathan on July 22, 2008, 01:00:51 PM
Carlo Magno & tow are still forecast for 5pm.
On AIS, the Tyne tug, 'Rowangarth' looks as though she is coming to the Tees as she is off Hartlepool (1:57pm). Possibly to assist with berthing the barge?
Regards
Post by: Nathan on July 22, 2008, 07:02:44 PM
I finally got to see them, they both arrived at about quater to 6.
Svitzer Bootle, Mull, Ormesby and Coatham Cross were the assisting tugs. Rowangarth was on the Tees, she was hovering around the Ore Terminal before pulling to the stern of Chembulk Houston.
http://www.shipspotting.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=688160
http://www.shipspotting.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=688210
http://www.shipspotting.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=688230
http://www.shipspotting.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=688230
Regards
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on July 22, 2008, 08:34:31 PM
Great photos , I bet that lot will be worth a few bob in scrap money , it is some size.
Was the Rowangarth on the job or was she there for some other reason , as she was definately on the Tees:-
http://www.aisliverpool.org.uk/shiptrail.php?map=tees&mmsi=232003613&date=20080722
Regards
Post by: Nathan on July 22, 2008, 08:37:59 PM
I thought that Rowangarth was here to help with the barge, i seen her come to the Ore Terminal, before pulling to the stern of Chembulk Houston. So i think she may of been on the job...
Regards
Post by: JonHare on July 23, 2008, 12:07:54 AM
Shame the weather was that good. That it produced a lot of heat haze. This was noticable when I was shooting at 500mm lens as it was making its approach, with HMS Scarborough criss crossing behind H-541.
Post by: Nathan on July 23, 2008, 08:37:32 AM
Let us know when your pics are online, i didnt see HMS Scarborough...
Your right, the weather was good yesterday. However, you got the heat haze and i got the silhouettes :lol:.
Regards
Post by: Nathan on July 24, 2008, 11:27:55 AM
Barge & Tug are leaving today, 18:00 Firm.
Regards
Post by: Chris Fahey on July 24, 2008, 01:45:48 PM
Post by: Nathan on July 24, 2008, 02:14:07 PM
Just got in from the gare, i waited half a hour or so for the tanker SEADANCE to depart. Then the fog rolled in and all you could see were outlines! Not sure if it will effect the barge, they are still down for 18:00.
Regards
Post by: JonHare on July 24, 2008, 10:25:44 PM
Just updating my site now so within half an hour some pics will be up.
Post by: JonHare on July 24, 2008, 10:46:26 PM
http://www.jhphotos.co.uk/html/able_uk_6.html
A couple of shots of Graythorpe Yard, taken earlier this evening.
http://www.jhphotos.co.uk/html/able_uk_7.html
http://www.jhphotos.co.uk/html/able_uk_8.html
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on July 24, 2008, 10:57:52 PM
do you know if any cutting up work has started yet at the Able site yet, as it seems to be filling up down there now.
regards
Post by: Nathan on July 24, 2008, 11:21:13 PM
Got some decent shots though :lol:
Regards
Post by: JonHare on July 24, 2008, 11:41:52 PM
Quote
cawky wrote:
hello jonathan,
do you know if any cutting up work has started yet at the Able site yet, as it seems to be filling up down there now.
regards
I couldn't tell. I don't think so yet. But can't be too far away. Should be getting the railway line in soon I'd think.
Post by: Nathan on July 25, 2008, 09:05:27 AM
Looks like Carlo Magno isnt heading back to the rig. On AIS she is off Hull and her destination is 'Flushing Holland'.
No tug forecasted yet to take H627 out.
Regards
Post by: Chris Fahey on July 28, 2008, 02:29:38 PM
Post by: Nathan on July 28, 2008, 02:57:16 PM
Hi Chris,
I think she is doing a pick up this time.
She is due to leave tomorrow at 11am FIRM along with H 627 from TERRC at 12pm FIRM. So the hour gap is probably Tees tugs bringing the barge down the Seaton Channel.
Regards
Post by: Nathan on July 29, 2008, 02:50:26 PM
Carlo Magno and H 627 left the Tees today around half one.
Thats all the large barges off the Tees now, BUT there is another forecast :lol:. H 404 is due on the 2nd with the tug Primus, 11am EST.
Regards
Post by: JonHare on July 31, 2008, 08:35:35 PM
Post by: Chris Fahey on August 02, 2008, 02:03:41 PM
Quote
JonHare wrote: At 2123hrs 31/07/2008, PRIMUS is steaming south about 50nm off Aberdeen. Shown on AIS.
Post by: Nathan on August 02, 2008, 05:16:18 PM
Primus then left the Tees to berth at Hartlepool.
Regards
Post by: Chris Fahey on August 03, 2008, 01:18:13 AM
Post by: Nathan on August 03, 2008, 08:13:05 AM
I did get some shots but i cant put any on the site yet due to my laptop playing up. Jon was over at Hartlepool and also got some shots.
Regards
Post by: JonHare on August 03, 2008, 05:47:13 PM
Entering Teesmouth
http://www.jhphotos.co.uk/html/able_uk_9.html
PRIMUS
http://www.jhphotos.co.uk/html/tugs_14.html
PRIMUS & FIERY CROSS
http://www.jhphotos.co.uk/html/tugs_15.html
PHEONIX CROSS & SVITZER MULL
http://www.jhphotos.co.uk/html/tugs_16.html
H-404
http://www.jhphotos.co.uk/html/able_uk_10.html
http://www.jhphotos.co.uk/html/able_uk_11.html
http://www.jhphotos.co.uk/html/able_uk_12.html
http://www.jhphotos.co.uk/html/able_uk_13.html
While I was there a Kestral was hunting in the sand dunes.
http://www.jhphotos.co.uk/html/birds_49.html
Post by: JonHare on August 04, 2008, 04:25:01 PM
PREPARATION work to scrap four so-called ghost ships on the outskirts of Hartlepool has started after a recycling firm won permission to dismantle the rotting vessels.
Able UK has been busy getting ready to break up the controversial ghost ships berthed at its Graythorp site, near Seaton Carew, since the Environment Agency granted it a waste management licence at the end of June.
Further on this story can be found at this link.
http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/Dry-dock-for-ghost-ships.4352232.jp
Post by: Chris Fahey on August 04, 2008, 05:01:51 PM
Post by: Nathan on August 04, 2008, 05:35:05 PM
The article says that the carrier is due to arrive sometime next month. Is it reffering to August or September, when was it published?
No barges forecasted yet, Primus & H 404 are due to leave on the 6th EST.
Regards
Post by: davidships on August 06, 2008, 04:19:04 PM
Quote
Ed-Hunter wrote:
When's the next Tug-Barge combination due?
CARLO MAGNO has been up in NW Hutton again since 1/8 so probably not too long before on her way back.
Meanwhile, PRIMUS departed this morning to the south-east.
David
Post by: JonHare on August 06, 2008, 08:11:24 PM
As a few of you know. My interests mostly lay with the railways, as well as everything else. Which go hand in hand with my photography aspect of things.
So I am wondering when the sidings will be laid and when the scrap trains will start running. As railway sidings were in part of the planning application, as they would be used to take scrap away by train.
Reading the Hartlepool Mail article the other day. It is said that the dismantling work on the Ghost Ships will begin in December. So this has got me wondering are the tracks and services be starting towards the end of the year, or will work be started on sooner, so to take the scrap from the rig sections out.
You could say that Im like a young child on the verge and can't wait.
As I have been following the TERRC story since just before the ships arrived. What seems like taking an eternity in seeing things progress. Is probaly the total opposite to what has been happening. On a scale that things are swinging along fairly fast, but seem to be slow on the outside.
Take a building being built for example. It takes a short time for the externals of a building to be put up, then it seems to take forever for the internals to be fitted. As most of the work to a building are the internals rather than the externals.
Thought I'd use this example as an analogy to what Im thinking. If you catch my drift.
Post by: JonHare on August 07, 2008, 05:48:45 PM
Just wondering if anyone on here had seen the clip. Looks like the pictures were taken today or yesterday.
Post by: Nathan on August 07, 2008, 05:58:53 PM
I didnt see the clip, i am trying to track it down on there website as they put there reports on the internet aswell.
Regards
Post by: andeedob on August 07, 2008, 07:22:24 PM
On website but no pics. Quote :
Post by: Nathan on August 07, 2008, 07:37:18 PM
Post by: JonHare on August 07, 2008, 08:31:54 PM
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on August 07, 2008, 10:25:50 PM
Quote
cawky wrote:
looking on google earth at the dry dock , it is going to be one hell of a tight squeeze getting the carrier in.
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=54.636244,-1.185923&spn=0.021212,0.047894&t=h&z=14
I think this thread will run for a long time:)
also my mistake on page 5 did not help much
This was what I was trying to say:-
think this thread will run for a long time:)<
Well nearly 3500 views on this topic and 17 pages , this is going to be the biggest thread on shipspotting.com
I still think this thread will run for a long long time.
Regards
Post by: JonHare on August 07, 2008, 11:45:54 PM
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on August 07, 2008, 11:56:38 PM
I think this thread should be the only one about the able facilitys ,why start another one John?
Regards
PS keep the photos coming :lol:
Post by: JonHare on August 08, 2008, 08:38:47 AM
Post by: Michel FLOCH on August 08, 2008, 04:30:09 PM
Our regional newspaper " Le T
Post by: JonHare on August 08, 2008, 05:19:18 PM
BBC Tees
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/tees/7546671.stm
Northern Echo
http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/business/3580054.Jobs_boost_as_work_starts_on_dismantling_platform/
Hartlepool Mail
http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/Tons-of-jobs-on-the.4371932.jp
Post by: JonHare on August 08, 2008, 06:01:03 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/player/nol/newsid_7170000/newsid_7172400/7172407.stm?bw=bb&mp=wm&news=1&bbcws=1
Post by: JonHare on August 08, 2008, 07:18:11 PM
Quote
JonHare wrote:
There has been video footage on ITV Tyne Tees Tonight (news) about the the decomissioning of the West Hutton Oil Rig at TERRC. The footage showed the Rig sections at TERRC, also a shot of a tractor/ lifter thingy carrying a section of beam.
Just wondering if anyone on here had seen the clip. Looks like the pictures were taken today or yesterday.
Here is the link to the footage. It is just after 8mins 40 secs into the news program. Be aware there is an advert before the news clip start.
http://www.itvlocal.com/tynetees/news/?player=TYN_News_15&void=220654
Post by: C on August 10, 2008, 07:34:33 PM
I think there will be another barge going in soon.
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on August 10, 2008, 08:16:48 PM
Quote
Miya wrote:
cawky: Why do you think it will be a tight squeeze to get the clem in? Once the TR has gone they can move the others over and the clem will over hang the dock.
I think there will be another barge going in soon.
I did not know the Tuxedo Royal was going any were, tell me more
Post by: JonHare on August 10, 2008, 11:48:10 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if she joins the Princess. Or there was talk that she could be preserved down Dover way, after it was uncertain to what her future hold as talk that she could be scrapped were circulating. The Northern Echo earlier this year or last year, ran a story about a possible move to preserve her down Dover, as she used to work there.
As far as she has been in TERRC it is only been as somewhere to moor, untill another use/ location was found for her.
Post by: Nathan on August 10, 2008, 11:51:41 PM
I wonder if/when she will be leaving?
Regards
Post by: JonHare on August 11, 2008, 12:00:01 AM
But I would of thought as soon as the Clem came in the cofferdam would be completed, then the draining and scrapping of the ships could take place.
Post by: Nathan on August 11, 2008, 12:05:00 AM
I sure hope she comes before September!
The smaller tug, Forth Drummer is on the forecast 11/08/08 - 01:15 FIRM. Inbound from Burntisland to TERRC 10 berth, perhaps she is back for one of the barges?
Regards
Post by: Nathan on August 11, 2008, 12:51:19 AM
Regards
Post by: David Harrison on August 15, 2008, 09:40:59 PM
Post by: Chris Fahey on August 18, 2008, 02:28:56 PM
Post by: Guest on August 18, 2008, 03:22:09 PM
Quote
Ed-Hunter wrote:
Just to get back to the Clemenceau what route do you think she'll be taking to to the Tees? The obvious would be through the channel then straight up the East coast but I imagine she'll be moving slowly and would such a large vessel moving at slow speeds cause a shipping traffic jam? Perhaps it'll be easier to take her either in the Atlantic up the West coast of Eire or through the Irish Sea then along the top of Scotland and then down the North Sea.
Hi Chris
The English Channel is certainly wide enough for her to be accommodated along with all of the other ships even though it is the busiest section of sea in the World
A tow around the North of the UK would be costly and potentially dangerous. So no, it will be Brest to Hartlepool via the English Channel and North Sea.
Regards
Post by: JonHare on August 18, 2008, 10:54:54 PM
Just hope Im off work for when the Clem comes in.
I can't wait to see what will be coming in over the next year or so. ;-) :lol:
Post by: Nathan on August 18, 2008, 11:39:44 PM
When are you going back to work?
Lets hope she arrives at a time which we can all make :lol:
Regards
Post by: JonHare on August 19, 2008, 12:56:05 AM
Post by: Chris Fahey on August 19, 2008, 02:36:06 PM
Post by: JonHare on August 19, 2008, 08:52:07 PM
As far as Im aware is that the Channel is not regulated as such.
Post by: Guest on August 19, 2008, 09:14:17 PM
Quote
JonHare wrote:
The Channel is not regulated as like the Panama Canal or Ports etc. So Maritime Authorities can't really have a say. The only way they can say something is if a ship or vessel is unsafe for the sea. That is about the only way Authorities can step in.
As far as Im aware is that the Channel is not regulated as such.
Hi Jon
The TSS - Traffic Separation Scheme is fully enforced in the English Channel by the Maritime Coastguard Agency (MCA) - amongst their enforcement efforts are the regular daily aircraft flights over the Channel to ensure shipping is sticking to the correct lanes.
Here is a short URL to a page of interest on the MCA's web site - http://tinyurl.com/6cbp2u - gives full details and examples of what fines etc can follow non compliance.
Regards
Post by: davidships on August 21, 2008, 05:44:59 AM
Post by: Nathan on August 23, 2008, 10:42:27 AM
Here are some pictures that i took of the barges etc:
H - 541, Arrival (http://www.shipspotting.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=688160)
Carlo Magno, Arrival (http://www.shipspotting.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=710001)
H - 541 & Carlo Magno, Departure (http://www.shipspotting.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=710019)
H - 541, Departure (http://www.shipspotting.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=710015)
Carlo Magno, Depatured (http://www.shipspotting.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=710016)
Carlo Magno, Berthed (http://www.shipspotting.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=710046)
Carlo Magno, Departure (http://www.shipspotting.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=710051)
H - 627, Departure (http://www.shipspotting.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=710048)
H - 404, Arrival (http://www.shipspotting.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=710081)
Primus, H - 404 & Tees Tugs (http://www.shipspotting.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=710085)
Primus, Departure (http://www.shipspotting.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=710091)
Regards
Post by: john dunn on August 23, 2008, 09:12:21 PM
Post by: Nathan on August 27, 2008, 03:46:19 PM
The saga begins again :lol:. H - 627 & Carlo Magno are due to arrive in Teesbay on the 28th at 18:00 EST. On the 29th both are due at 13:00 FIRM, the barge is going to TERRC No.11 Berth and Carlo Magno is only dropping the barge off before going back out to the North Sea.
Regards
Post by: JonHare on August 28, 2008, 04:59:13 PM
Post by: Nathan on August 28, 2008, 07:29:48 PM
Have you decided which side of the river you are going yet?
Regards
Post by: JonHare on August 28, 2008, 11:53:38 PM
The Weather will have a bearing and ultimily traffic reports.
Also the possiblity of what time I fall out of bed. ;-) :lol:
Post by: Nathan on August 29, 2008, 12:01:59 AM
:lol: I will keep a eye out for your car if you do decide to come over.
Regards
Post by: Nathan on August 29, 2008, 03:55:53 PM
Another smaller barge, H - 302 is forecast for the 31st, 14:30 FIRM. Along with the tug 'Primus'.
Regards
Post by: Nathan on August 31, 2008, 08:08:30 PM
The barge was carrying long pipes and a mobile crane.
Reggards
Post by: Guest on September 03, 2008, 04:12:54 PM
'Ghost ship' firm in legal threat
A legal challenge has been mounted to stop a French aircraft carrier being scrapped by a firm embroiled in a row over over so-called "ghost ships".
Hartlepool-based Able UK wants to dismantle the 32,700-tonne Clemenceau at its facility near Hartlepool.
But the Friends of Hartlepool group raised concerns about the vessel which contains 700 tonnes of asbestos.
The High Court will hear claims the Health and Safety Executive was wrong to grant Able a waste certificate.
The Clemenceau, which was once the pride of the French navy, is currently berthed in France after being brought back from India in 2006 amid concerns over her toxic elements.
Public interest
Jean Kennedy, of the Friends of Hartlepool group, said: "The HSE has made a special exception to allow this toxic ghost ship and its deadly cargo into our local community.
"We feel that it is a deep injustice to force a small town, which has already disproportionately suffered the ill-effects of polluting industries and has one of the highest cancer rates in the UK, to accept France's toxic waste."
Able UK caused an outcry when it brought four rusting US "ghost ships" to its dock five years ago.
After years of legal wrangling, Able won planning permission and a waste management licence to allow it to break up ships at its Graythorpe facility.
Phil Shiner, from Public Interest Lawyers (PIL), said: "This challenge raises significant public-interest environmental issues where the HSE has clearly failed to follow their own policy on granting exemptions to health and safety legislation."
A HSE spokesman confirmed a challenge had been made, but said no other comment could be made until after the case.
The case is expected to be heard later this month.
Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/england/tees/7596199.stm
Published: 2008/09/03 13:51:17 GMT
Regards
Post by: eclaire on September 03, 2008, 06:02:47 PM
Whats the betting she wont be able to get over here this year now (assuming the legal chellenge fails) as the bad weather will soon set in
claire:-}
Post by: JonHare on September 03, 2008, 10:04:45 PM
Got in and saw the paper. Now there's a surprise. It always is her name that is cropping up. I can see her case being thrown out, I hope Able UK will press her for damages and lost revenue and allow the good people of Hartlepool who in the over riding majority supports Able's plans. Many residents who are wanting jobs that are going to be available. Also a consideration is that this is welcomed, especially in the current econnomic climate. Hartlepool can become a Gold town with work like this being pumped into the local economy.
There are many asbestos removal persons trained that live in Hartlepool and that have to travel to the London area, just to find work. I have met many of them and they are saying that they look forward to working at Able when they go ahead.
So as for saying that there are no trained people to do the work, that is a load of rubbish, many are having to spend there earnings just to travel round for work in the field.
Honestly, I cannot see for any reason why the need to put blocks in the way on the work pushing forward. Im just sick to death of these un-informed people who think they know what they are talking about.
Post by: JonHare on September 03, 2008, 11:05:12 PM
Found this link on another thread. I think HMS Intrepid was one of the ships Able UK, were wanting to land for TERRC's Graythorpe Yard. But due to constant set back, I think in the end that the contract for her scrapping went elsewhere. It is a shame as TERRC would of seen a dozen or so ships totally dismantled and recycled by now, with
Post by: C on September 04, 2008, 01:29:34 PM
Post by: Guest on September 04, 2008, 03:45:18 PM
Quote
Miya wrote:
They should bring the clem up here asap.
Hi Miya
Yes its a real shame for Able UK Ltd who must have thought they had dealt with and won all of the environmental challenges that have been raised. It must be costing them a fortune to represent themselves in the Courts.
Regards
Post by: JonHare on September 04, 2008, 09:34:59 PM
Able UK's response in the Hartlepool Mail.
Post by: JonHare on September 04, 2008, 10:33:41 PM
Quote
Miya wrote:
They should bring the clem up here asap.
I couldn't agree more.
As some are able to sense that these un-informed protesters are really making my blood boil.
Just across the river at Wilton there are plans for the Northern Gateway Container Terminal (NGCT) & an Oil Refinery, capable of processing 200,000 barrels of oil aday.
These projects will mean the Tees being dredged deeper, for larger and loads more ships to enter dock. These could have more of an Environmental impact than what Able UK's TERRC plans would have. But I have not heard one wisper of protest about the Wilton plans. Are they that focused on trying to derail Able UK's TERRC facility, that they are missing on what is going on the other side of the Tees, which could pose more of an impact than TERRC. I think Double Standards are being involved.
Most people who know me, knows how passionate I am about Hartlepool. In fact some have said that I was the one that helped clinch the Tall Ships Race for Hartlepool.
I am an avid supporter for Able UK's TERRC facility, NGCT & the Oil Refinery. As I know how much they will impact on the economies of the area. Which will reap the benefits for years to come.
Also I know that with these projects that the Environment will be better catered for. By means of Company policies with regards to the environment, also the funding that will come from these companies to support local and regional wildlife & environmental projects. So in essence the Natural Environment will benefit hugely as a consequence (I really don't want to use that word. But a word that is similar but as a gain not a pain like consequence sounds, if ya catch my drift) to the setting up of these industries. Hope you can read what I am trying to put across, even though some of the words are a little confusing.
Just is the passion that I have, it is sometimes confusing to try and find the right words to say what I mean. :lol: :lol:
Post by: JonHare on September 06, 2008, 12:19:16 PM
Hartlepool Mail
http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/Court-bid-to-sink-Le.4464459.jp
Post by: C on September 09, 2008, 06:58:01 PM
Post by: JonHare on September 10, 2008, 12:21:45 AM
Thanks for understanding where I was coming from.
With reference to her comments.
The main reasons for the high cancer rates in Hartlepool and the North East are.
1) Smoking and passive smoking.
2) Bygone Industries- where there wasn't any health controls over the substances. Including buildings built eg schools etc with hazardous substances.
3) Sun and Sunbeds
4) Unhealthy lifestyles.
These are the main reasons. With smoking and Bygone Industries affecting the over 40s heavily.
Now the main points for cancer rates in the under 40s are mainly down to Smoking and Sun/ Sunbeds.
I assume reasons along these lines are out there somewhere.
I can't see how the asbestos being landfilled while have an impact to cancer rates. Especially when it will be taken off and stored in as safe an environment as could be asked.
Post by: JonHare on September 18, 2008, 12:36:22 AM
Also a large trench has been dug, wether this is foundations for another building or railway lines or equiptment I don't know. But the Yard is certainly coming on strong now.
Post by: JonHare on September 18, 2008, 12:41:47 AM
http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/Driver-injured-in-crane-accident.4497077.jp
Crane Driver injured in accident at TERRC. It involved a crane doing pile driving. The picture shown doesn't show it clearly. But the crane involved is just below the scoop of the digger, on its side.
Post by: JonHare on September 18, 2008, 10:43:02 AM
Thursday 18th September
MEP hits out at critics of plans to break up ships
North East MEP Stephen Hughes has criticised "a not in my backyard mentality" over plans by Able UK for their TERRC, Graythorpe Yard.
More info on this story can be found in The Northern Echo. I will try later to see if they have put it up on their site, when I get back in from work.
Post by: JonHare on September 18, 2008, 11:06:38 AM
Inquiry after crane falls at Hartlepool Yard
http://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/teesside-breaking-news/2008/09/17/inquiry-after-crane-falls-at-hartlepool-yard-84229-21838007/
http://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/teesside-news/2008/09/18/safety-officials-are-continuing-inquiries-after-a-crane-overturned-at-able-uk-s-graythorp-yard-84229-21846130/
Fresh ghost ship protest
http://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/teesside-news/2008/06/10/fresh-ghost-ship-protest-84229-21049622/
In this story it is.
Able UK has been in negotiations to scrap and recycle at least five more ships from the UK at its Graythorp site, near Hartlepool, along with one from Europe.
Interesting as to what these 5 UK vessels will be.
Fight to stop scrapping of the Clem on the Tees
http://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/teesside-news/2008/09/05/fight-to-stop-scrapping-of-french-vessel-clemenceau-on-tees-84229-21677340/
Post by: andeedob on September 18, 2008, 11:48:51 AM
Post by: JonHare on September 18, 2008, 07:36:51 PM
Post by: JonHare on September 21, 2008, 05:33:41 PM
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andeedob wrote:
Re- The lifeboat on site The Sunderland Echo reported that the damaged Dunbar Lifeboat was to be taken to TERRC, for further inspection/assesment: Quote-"During the early hours of March 23, ferocious storms caused the RNLI's Dunbar lifeboat, Sir Ronald Pechell Bt, to break her moorings near the power station and be driven onto rocks. Damage to the
Post by: JonHare on September 26, 2008, 09:43:21 PM
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I decided to put the pics on via Imageshack instead of my website, due to the quality of the images. This was down to dodgy weather when I took the pics. Hope you can see the difference in the transformation of the yard.
Just gone past today and yet another framework of a building is going up.
Still no indication on the ground as to where the railway sidings are to be installed. Hopefully not to long. Can't wait ;-) :lol: :lol:
Post by: JonHare on September 30, 2008, 12:35:13 AM
Hartlepool Mail
http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/Campaigners-wait-on-Clemenceau-decision.4537199.jp
Teesside Evening Gazette
http://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/teesside-news/2008/09/29/bid-to-stop-scrapping-of-french-aircraft-carrier-84229-21922166/
Post by: Guest on September 30, 2008, 07:55:26 AM
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JonHare wrote:
Protesters in High Court hearing.
Hartlepool Mail
http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/Campaigners-wait-on-Clemenceau-decision.4537199.jp
Teesside Evening Gazette
http://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/teesside-news/2008/09/29/bid-to-stop-scrapping-of-french-aircraft-carrier-84229-21922166/
Hi Jon
Perhaps the protesters (are they really Hartlepool folk?) should take a look at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TBCtA5ec3c
Regards
Post by: andeedob on September 30, 2008, 08:53:30 AM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/3105037/French-warship-laden-with-asbestos-to-be-dismantled-in-UK.html
Post by: JonHare on September 30, 2008, 09:49:17 AM
Hartlepool Mail's story on the case.
http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/Warship-set-be-scrapped-in.4541223.jp
Now that is great news to hear.
Now the next question is When is the Clem coming in?
But I don't think that will be the last we hear from this pair of protesters.
Post by: Nathan on September 30, 2008, 02:47:25 PM
Maybe she will be down next month?
Regards, Nathan
Post by: JonHare on September 30, 2008, 09:46:03 PM
As Able will be wanting it docked as soon as possible so to complete the cofferdam across the dock entrance. For dismantling work to begin. I would say at the earliest about mid November- December that they will be wanting to start dismantling work. With the amount of building work going on in the yard it looks like mid- late November would be likely to have been completed, so scrapping could of been started.
Reading the articles in the media, responses from the 2 protesters say that they have been involved with cancer, one of there fathers died after cancer due to Asbestos exposure. So they say they know what the are talking about. But if the father was exposed to Asbestos years ago, before regulations were inplemented about the use and working with the stuff came into force. Then that is where their judgement is clouded.
Nowadays with so many regulations in place with regards to Asbestos and working with it. The risk has been pretty much diminished, with proper care taken on its use and disposal, there is hardly any health risk posed.
Post by: JonHare on October 01, 2008, 10:59:05 AM
Any ideas?
Post by: JonHare on October 01, 2008, 09:02:23 PM
Clem arrival is just a matter of weeks away
Clem could be at TEERC by early November
http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/Clemenceau-arrival-just-weeks-away.4542530.jp
Post by: john dunn on October 01, 2008, 09:09:15 PM
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on October 01, 2008, 09:40:03 PM
Post by: JonHare on October 02, 2008, 10:09:40 AM
http://www.ableuk.com/pressreleases.shtml
Post by: JonHare on October 02, 2008, 11:16:24 PM
I came across this little gem. Back from July
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article4249526.ece
It is not the story that was humorous. It is in the comments that have made me laugh.
Post by: JonHare on October 03, 2008, 07:35:53 PM
Disposing of asbestos
http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/letters/Disposing-of-asbestos.4550350.jp
Questions answered regarding asbestos
http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/letters/Questions-answered-regarding-asbestos.4556107.jp
Post by: JonHare on October 12, 2008, 06:23:28 PM
I have been doing some searching the net to see if I could find any more info, but as yet not a lot already known.
One news page story that I have just found regarding the Clem is:
http://www.fairhome.co.uk/2008/07/03/ship-too-toxic-for-india-sent-to-uk/
http://www.recycle.co.uk/news/756000.html
A nice areial shot of TERRC with the story.
http://www.baird-online.com/index.php?id=868CB8BBF3FD4274CA25748000264021&pid=0119A640BE91D10FCA257268001AE4BF
Another story on that site shows why Able UK's TERRC facility is so important.
http://www.baird-online.com/index.php?id=6F14AF997F4FEE79CA2574DD0003183E&pid=0119A640BE91D10FCA257268001AE4BF
http://living.aol.co.uk/homes-and-property/go-green/firm-to-dismantle-toxic-ship/article/20080702044109990004
A couple of interesting Documents from a couple of years ago, which highlighted the confusion that surrounded Able UK's TERRC plans.
DEFRA Committee Inquiry Into US "Ghost Ships"
http://www.environment-agency.gov.uk/commondata/acrobat/efra_com_evidence_630119.pdf
Environment Agency- US NAVAL VESSELS- Lessons Learnt Review (from April 2004)
http://www.defra.gov.uk/Environment/waste/topics/hazwaste/usnavalships-reviews/pdf/ea-review.pdf
Post by: JonHare on October 16, 2008, 11:48:22 PM
http://www.netmarine.net/bat/porteavi/clem/departoulon.htm
There are plenty of pics of the Clem of the past few years. At the bottom of the page there is a mention of the update regarding the Clem to be scrapped in England by Able UK.
Also this story of Heerema completing 1st phase of NW Hutton removal
http://www.oilpubs.com/oso/article.asp?v1=7775
Post by: Nathan on October 17, 2008, 11:09:04 PM
A update on the carrier, thanks to MichBriez!
The tug, 'Anglian Earl' will be the tug bringing her down. Here is the story along with a picture (in French): Click here. (http://www.brest.maville.com/Un-costaud-pour-remorquer-l-ex-Clemenceau-/re/actudet/actu_loc-724173------_actu.html)
Regards
Post by: Guest on October 18, 2008, 07:34:48 AM
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coatham wrote:
Hi all,
A update on the carrier, thanks to MichBriez!
The tug, 'Anglian Earl' will be the tug bringing her down. Here is the story along with a picture (in French): Click here.
Regards
Hi Nathan
'Loose Translation' using an online translator is:
Preparations are under way for the ultimate trip of the ancient aircraft carriers towards England. The tug Anglian Earl will be made responsible for bringing it to good harbour.
Unless an inversion of last minute situation, the ex-Clemenceau will join very England shortly. The Klyne Tugs de Lowestoft society, in Suffolk, is loaded with the operation of towing.
On Wednesday, his technicians were present in Brest. They examined the ex-Clemenceau to cause technical means to implement to tow it.
The tug Anglian Earl will take care of the ancient aircraft carriers. The operation of towing for the English construction site should last four days.
Constructed in Netherlands in 1987 under the name of Maersk Logger for the Danish company Maersk, Anglian Earl is a solid tug of open sea, anchoring and provision. Along 69,70 m, equipped with 2 motors Mak of a complete potency of 12 000 horses, he shows a force of traction in the fixed point of 140 tonnes.
Founded in 1892, the Klyne Tugs society refers in the world of towing very as Honeybees. It was kept by British Coastguards to help ships in trouble. Four of his tugs are permanently positioned in strategical places around the sides of United Kingdom.
On the side of the naval prefecture of Atlantic, they confirm that jobs are under way with the aim of the equipment of Q790, official name of the ancient aircraft carriers. It is a question of installing electricity aboard, fires of navigation or else GPS.
Clem' will perform its last trip for the construction site of dismantling of INDUSTRIALIST ABLE UK, located near Hartlepool, in the northeast of the country.
In what date will the ancient aircraft carriers leave Brest?
Post by: JonHare on October 18, 2008, 04:33:06 PM
http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/New-bid-in-ghost-warship.4606171.jp
Peter Stephenson is saying it looks like they will be targeting the end of November to bring the Clem over.
Sounds good enough for me as I'm off the last week of November/ first few days in December.
;-) :lol:
Post by: Guest on October 20, 2008, 02:44:46 PM
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JonHare wrote:
Looks like the women are putting another stumbling block in the way of the Clem arrival.
http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/New-bid-in-ghost-warship.4606171.jp
Peter Stephenson is saying it looks like they will be targeting the end of November to bring the Clem over.
Sounds good enough for me as I'm off the last week of November/ first few days in December.
;-)
Hi Jon
This piece from this mornings Northern Echo doesn't sound too hopeful for an early delivery of the AC to the Tees - after all the wheels of justice turn slowly!
Courtesy of http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/3773617.Court_of_Appeal_to_hear_French_ship_case/
'Court of Appeal to hear French ship case
1:57pm Monday 20th October 2008
Plans to allow an asbestos-contaminated French aircraft carrier into the UK for dismantling are to be challenged in the Court of Appeal.
The Clemenceau, once the flagship of the French navy, was considered too toxic for Indian breakers yards and is now destined for Graythorp, near Hartlepool, Co Durham, to be broken up by Able UK.
But campaign group Friends of Hartlepool (FOH), acting through lawfirm Public Interest Lawyers, has won the right to challenge a High Court decision which allowed the project to go ahead.
No date has been set for the appeal hearing, but the ship is expected to remain in France until the case has been decided.
Jean Kennedy, of FOH, said lawyers would argue that the decision of the Health and Safety Executive to allow the importation of the Clemenceau and its carcinogenic cargo was unlawful.
Solicitor Gavin Sullivan said: We have asked Able UK to undertake not to take any steps to import this ship into Hartlepool until the court has made its decision.
Obviously, should Able seek to try to bring this ship from France regardless, we will consider seeking directions from the court to prevent them from doing so.
Iris Ryder, another member of FOH, said: This is a fantastic result for the people of Hartlepool and takes us one step closer to preventing this toxic waste from being imported and dumped in our community.
People and groups on both sides of the Channel are rightly asking serious questions about the safety of Ables proposals.
The Clemenceau, now known as Hull Q790, is estimated to contain 760 tonnes of asbestos and 330 tonnes of polychlorinated biphenyls (PCBs).
It has been docked off the port of Brest in France since 2006 when the French government called it back from India in the wake of widespread protests.'
Regards
Post by: JonHare on October 20, 2008, 07:07:24 PM
Ghost Ship campaign stepped up
http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/Ghost-ship-campaign-stepped-up.4608566.jp
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The protestors told the Mail they were delighted with the support they received and hoped civic leaders would take notice of the strength of feeling for their cause.Quote
Do these people really underdstand what they are talking about. In Hartlepool the majority of the residents back Able UK's proposals.
Environmental Groups including Greenpeace & Friends of the Earth are also behind Able UK's plans.
I would love to attend a meeting with these people who think they know everything.
Which groups either side of the Channel have concerns and Questions over Able UK's plans. You will find that there are hardly any major groups against the plans but are FOR.
Oh my blood is boiling again other their delay tactics. I think Im going to set up a TERRC supporters group up on Facebook. Im sure there will be loads joining to support. :lol: :lol: :lol:
Post by: JonHare on October 20, 2008, 08:18:27 PM
Supporters of Able UK's plans for scrapping ships & marine structures
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=41463439065&ref=mf
Teesside Environmental Reclamation & Recycling Centre (TERRC), Graythorp Yard, Hartlepool.
This group has been set up to allow people who back Able UK's plans for safe and environmentally friendly scrapping and refurbishing of Ships & Marine structures at its Graythorp Yard on the outskirts of Hartlepool.
This facility will provide safe and environmental centre for scrapping of Ships and Marine structures. The benefits will also help the need for ships heading to other places in the world to be ran ashore onto a beach and scrapped. Thus TERRC will helping to protect the natural environment, with its dry dock facility to scrap ships and marine structures without causing pollution or harming the Natural Environment.
The plans when in full operation will give the local and regional economies of the North East of England a great boost. With loads of jobs and spin off jobs being created, with the current economic downturn.
So please join up and show your support to the safe and environmental friendly facility for dismatling Ships & Marine structures.
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on October 27, 2008, 08:50:38 PM
Post by: JonHare on October 27, 2008, 11:12:57 PM
From what I have heard is that China has dramtically reduced its import of scrap. Which could tie in with less demand after building of the Olympic Games. And that they have cancelled a number of imports of scrap even those that are on route.
Also tie this into the current economic downturn with large amount of uncertainty has helped fuel the dramatic fall in the price of scrap.
Worlwide economics are very unstable in the current period.
Also one person has said that the prices are getting to a stage where you will have to pay the Scrapman to scrap something. This thinking could actually help Able UK.
But just thinking is that all these uninformed protestors actions in delaying TERRC hasn't helped, as Able UK have missed the boat so to speak in the record scrap price levels. If they were able to start well before now they could of done a whole load of ships, helping the local economy with a huge boost.
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on October 28, 2008, 08:10:22 AM
The man on the weighbridge did say to me that the next time I go back he will be probably paying me in balloons!
Regards
Post by: andeedob on October 28, 2008, 09:50:08 AM
Title: Re: ABLE UK LICENCE ISSUED/CLEMENCEAU
Post by: Nathan on October 28, 2008, 06:35:06 PM
'North East Tonight' this evening had a quick story on the Clem, at the end it said ABLE hope to have it here by the end of November.
Regards
Post by: JonHare on October 28, 2008, 06:55:29 PM
But Im am fuming that the protestors are in the town centre getting petitions signed.
If I wasn't busy with work I would be down there with petitions to support the proposals. lol
This is one reason why I have have set up the supporters Groups on Facebook & flickr. So please spread the word. Im wondering if it is worth putting the groups forward into the media. lol
Post by: Guest on October 29, 2008, 06:17:58 PM
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cawky wrote:
I Dont know what is happening to the scrap metal prices , Cawky
Hi Brian
Found this piece on the Net - gives the view point from Bangladesh where as you will know many ships end their lives:
http://www.thedailystar.net/story.php?nid=61015
Prices of steel, materials down
Kawsar Khan
Rods are being carried to a construction site. The price of 40-grade MS (mild steel) rod now stands at Tk 40,000 a tonne in the local market, while the cost of 60-grade steel rod is around Tk 58,000. Photo: STAR
Prices of steel and its raw materials have fallen sharply in the local market on the international market price-drop resulted from the construction work slumps globally in the wake of the ongoing recession.
The sector people think the construction market slumps coupled with the fall in demand for their produces now cost them dearly.
They also blamed the slow pace of the government's annual development programme (ADP) for the slide in local demand.
Official data shows only 9 per cent of the Tk 256 billion ADP has been implemented during July-September period of the current fiscal (2008-09).
In the local market, breakable ship was selling around US$250 a tonne and scrap around $380 a tonne yesterday, which were $600 and $700 two months back.
They are to sell the items at a rate 30-50 percent below the production and import costs, which is leading them to a vulnerable situation, according to manufacturers and importers.
They said the price of 40-grade MS (mild steel) rod stands at Tk 40,000 a tonne in the local market, while the cost of 60-grade steel rod is around Tk 58,000.
"The products that we are selling at lower rates were imported at higher prices earlier. But the price-drop in the international market has forced us to sell the products at a loss," said Alihussain Akberali, chairman and managing director of BSRM, the largest steel bar manufacturer in the country.
Asked about the reason why they were selling their produces at a rate below the cost of production, Alihussain said it was a natural market trend that they had to hike prices in advance when international prices went high and vise versa.
"We have no control over the international market, but the government can save us by accelerating its ADP implementation pace, which will result in the rise in local demand for steel bars," said Masudul Haque Masud, general secretary of Bangladesh Re-Rolling Mills Association.
Meanwhile, the ship breakers' association recently sent a letter to the Ministry of Industries where it pointed out that the ship breakers, who have a stock of around 10 lakh tones, are losing around Tk 10,000 by selling scrap at the present market price.
In a separate letter sent to the Chief Adviser, Bangladesh Steel Mill Owners Association said the sector would loss around Tk 1,000 crore by selling their 5 lakh tonnes reserved MS rod.
The steel mill owners and ship breakers urged the government to provide strong support to face the tough situation.
Regards
Post by: JonHare on November 01, 2008, 02:13:34 PM
http://www.environment-agency.gov.uk/commondata/acrobat/5aceupdate_2077846.pdf
(1st July 2008)
Chief Executive's Update On Key Topics
Towards the bottom of page 6, section 11 is about updates to Able UK.
Post by: JonHare on November 04, 2008, 12:38:06 AM
http://www.teesag.com/
A very interesting read, with modules for the Oban B rig being transported out of the assembley hall at Haverton Hill. While reading about the Oban B, the hull for the rig is being built in Russia and to arrive onto the Tees in the first quarter of 2009, for assembly of the top structures to take place before sea going testing once complete before handover to Seadragon.
What strikes me is on the TAG website (under facilities) highlights TERRC. The Graythorp Facility is a deep water integration and decomissioning facility.
So thinking back to my mate who said there was another Rig coming to TERRC. Adding 2 and 2 together, is making me think that this other Rig is going to be the Oban B and integration work done at Graythorp.
Is this with my placing of various bits of information linked into my mate's comment, fitting into the correct jigsaw or am I trying to fit it into the wrong jigsaw.
Post by: JonHare on November 04, 2008, 01:04:22 AM
Chronology of events in case of Able UK exemption to Asbestos (Prohibitions) Regulations
http://www.hse.gov.uk/aboutus/meetings/hscarchive/2003/091203/misc36a.pdf
Information regarding Ghost Ships. Emails between UK and USA.
http://www.hse.gov.uk/foi/releases/ghostships.pdf
From the Health and Safety Commission
Cross- Government initiative on ship recycling
http://www.hse.gov.uk/aboutus/meetings/hscarchive/2004/071204/c137.pdf
Minutes from HSC meeting 5th August 2003. Able UK section 6 in the minutes.
http://www.hse.gov.uk/aboutus/meetings/hscarchive/2003/160903/cm08.pdf
Post by: JonHare on November 04, 2008, 01:30:38 AM
Press Release
http://www.hse.gov.uk/press/2008/gnnne24508.htm
HSE Board Meeting 17th July 2008. Able UK top of page 2.
http://www.hse.gov.uk/aboutus/meetings/hseboard/2008/170708/b38.pdf
HSE Board Meeting 18th June 2008. Able UK bottom of page 2/ top page 3.
http://www.hse.gov.uk/aboutus/meetings/hseboard/2008/180608/b31.pdf
Post by: JonHare on November 04, 2008, 01:44:07 AM
http://www.dawn.com/2008/07/02/int17.htm
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Environmentalists on Tuesday welcomed the planned transfer to Britain.Quote
Post by: JonHare on November 04, 2008, 01:59:19 AM
Able UK: "Wrangle has cost
Post by: Michel FLOCH on November 06, 2008, 09:35:09 AM
Today, the newspaper Ouest-France announces that the ex--Clemenceau, would be unfit any more to be towed and that France could have a plan(shot) B for her.
See details here:
http://www.brest.maville.com/actu/actudet_-Ex-Clemenceau-le-mysterieux-plan-B-de-la-Marine-_loc-740517_actu.Htm
Good day to all.
Michel
Post by: Guest on November 06, 2008, 10:00:19 AM
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Michbreiz wrote:
Hello to all
Today, the newspaper Ouest-France announces that the ex--Clemenceau, would be unfit any more to be towed and that France could have a plan(shot) B for her.
See details here:
http://www.brest.maville.com/actu/actudet_-Ex-Clemenceau-le-mysterieux-plan-B-de-la-Marine-_loc-740517_actu.Htm
Good day to all.
Michel
Rough English Translation of article:
Ex-Clemenceau: mysterious plan B of Navy
Is there a resolution of spare if the ancient aircraft carriers cannot rally Great Britain? Officially, no. What does not exclude semiofficial contacts.
Will leave, will leave not? The fate of the ex-Clemenceau is hanging in the decision which will take English justice. The Court Of appeal of London will examine November 13th of this year appeal introduces by the association Friends of Hartlepool. His judgement should be rather quick.
But and then they learn that the ex-Clemenceau, or rather cockle Q790, would not be in a fit state any more to take back the sea! " Ex-Clemenceau takes water by the sheeting of cockle and sternpost. This ship cannot therefore be towed any more in complete safety towards the parking of old ships in Hartelpool called for the circumstance
Post by: Michel FLOCH on November 08, 2008, 07:48:36 AM
http://www.letelegramme.com/gratuit/generales/economie/ex-clemenceau-la-coque-ne-vaut-plus-un-clou-20081108-4131771_1525452.php.
Regards
Michel
Post by: Guest on November 08, 2008, 09:25:43 AM
Quote
Michbreiz wrote:
More comments about the ex-Clemenceau here :
http://www.letelegramme.com/gratuit/generales/economie/ex-clemenceau-la-coque-ne-vaut-plus-un-clou-20081108-4131771_1525452.php.
Regards
Michel
Hi Michel
The article discusses the falling cost of scrap metal and whether it is economical for Able UK to demolish the vessel given the fact that the money paid to the French Government was based on 2007 prices.
Regards
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on November 08, 2008, 11:46:23 AM
Quote
Michbreiz wrote:
More comments about the ex-Clemenceau here :
http://www.letelegramme.com/gratuit/generales/economie/ex-clemenceau-la-coque-ne-vaut-plus-un-clou-20081108-4131771_1525452.php.
Regards
Michel
A translation:-
Reception> Economy
Economy
Ex-Clemenceau. Cockle is not worth a nail anymore
Is it lucrative of d
Post by: JonHare on November 11, 2008, 09:49:21 PM
http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/Dday-in-court-for-Le.4678809.jp
The decision about the Clem coming to Hartlepool looks set to be heard in The Court of Appeal on Thursday. When the Friends Of Hartlepool (FOH) challenge the HSE decision to allow Clem to be imported to Hartlepool.
Post by: andeedob on November 13, 2008, 03:52:06 PM
Post by: JonHare on November 13, 2008, 07:45:32 PM
Protesters are so wrong
A letter from a lady in Newark commenting on the group of protesters.
Post by: JonHare on November 13, 2008, 07:46:37 PM
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andeedob wrote:
And so it continues - Court in favour of HSE http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/Ship-protesters-lose-their-court.4692614.jp
Absolutely great news. Lets rock and roll now.
Post by: Guest on November 13, 2008, 08:17:27 PM
Quote
JonHare wrote:
Absolutely great news. Lets rock and roll now.
Hi Jon
Take this with a pinch of salt (perhaps) but on local radio news they mentioned that the AC will not be arriving at the Tees until next Summer?
Regards
Post by: eclaire on November 13, 2008, 09:14:28 PM
Hopefully if they have doubts about Clem's seaworthiness they will want to hurry up and get her over here before she deteriorates or the waether gets worse!
claire:-}
Post by: JonHare on November 13, 2008, 09:49:36 PM
http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/3846676.Campaigners_lose_appeal_over_scrapping_of_French_warship/
Teesside Evening Gazette story
http://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/teesside-breaking-news/2008/11/13/bid-fails-to-stop-aircraft-being-dismantled-on-teesside-84229-22252532/
Post by: Michel FLOCH on November 14, 2008, 11:15:54 AM
Last news of the ex-Clemenceau.
Two steps ahead one step behind
Post by: Michel FLOCH on November 14, 2008, 01:16:25 PM
http://www.brest.maville.com/actu/actudet_-L-ex-Clemenceau-attendu-pour-Noel-en-Angleterre-_loc-746130_actu.Htm.
Translated on line with Free online Translator :
<<
The British opponents definitively lost. Yesterday, the Court of Appeal of London rejected their ultimate recourse. The old aircraft carrier should accomplish its last voyage soon.
Friends of Hartlepool did not obtain profit of cause before the Court of Appeal of London. Yesterday afternoon, this jurisdiction rejected the ultimate recourse of these obstinate opponents to the dismantling of the ex-Clemenceau in Great Britain. The court confirmed the validity of the exemption granted to import into England asbestos-covered materials present aboard aircraft carrier old.
British side, this rejection closes the legal serial which had started with the advertisement of the arrival of Clemenceau. It is of course a major success for the industrialist charged to dismantle it, Able U.K. Yesterday, its chairman, Peter Stephenson, hid his pride to be able to attack the
Post by: JonHare on November 15, 2008, 08:58:09 PM
http://www.ableuk.com/ableshiprecycling/press-able-081113.htm
Also in the release is mentioning about the construction of the semi submersible drilling rigs for SeaDragon Offshore.
The top sections are being built by Tees Alliance Group at Haverton Hill, and the Hulls being built in Russia. The first hull is expected to arrive at TERRC in the first quarter of 2009. TERRC is where the Top sides for the rig "Oban B" will be assembled to the Hulls. The top side sections will be moved from the yard at Haverton Hill to TERRC where they will be assembled onto the Hulls.
Interesting times ahead, as one rig is dismantled, another one is constructed. :lol:
Post by: JonHare on November 18, 2008, 02:20:29 AM
Communities and Local Government
http://www.communities.gov.uk/planningandbuilding/planning/decisionsplanning/secretarystate/recentsecretary/hartlepoolghostships/
Secretary of State's Decision
http://www.communities.gov.uk/documents/planningandbuilding/pdf/hartlepoolghostships2042125.pdf
Report to the Secretary of State for Communities and Local Government
Inspectors Report Hartlepool
http://www.communities.gov.uk/documents/planningandbuilding/pdf/inspectorsreporthartlepool.pdf
Post by: JonHare on November 20, 2008, 12:20:17 AM
House of Commons- Environment, Food and Rural Affairs
Memoranda
Letter to the Committee Clerk from Mr Peter Stephenson, Chief Executive of Able UK Ltd
United States 'Ghost' Ships
Select Committee Meeting 19th November 2003
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200203/cmselect/cmenvfru/uc1336/1336m06.htm
DEFRA
UK Ship Recycling Strategy
http://www.defra.gov.uk/environment/waste/strategy/ship.htm
Ship Recycle Stratergy Overview
http://www.defra.gov.uk/environment/waste/strategy/pdf/shiprecycle-strategy-overview.pdf
UK Ship Recycling Stratergy
Final Regulatory Impact Assessment
http://www.defra.gov.uk/environment/waste/strategy/pdf/shiprecycle-strategy-ria.pdf
Post by: Guest on November 28, 2008, 11:06:25 AM
Spotted this in the Northern Echo - interesting that it indicates the AC may be arriving at the end of next month - article courtesy of http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/3933210.Plans_approved_to_scrap_ship_in_region/
"Plans approved to scrap ship in region
7:44am Friday 28th November 2008
PLANS to scrap a controversial French aircraft carrier in the region have been approved by the Environment Agency.
The Le Clemenceau is expected to arrive at Able UK
Post by: JonHare on November 28, 2008, 11:10:16 PM
Number of workers look set to exceed the 1,000 mark by the summer. Projects include the 4 "Ghost" US Ships, the Clem, North West Hutton Oil Rig, a number of UK ships and as part of the Tees Alliance Group's SeaDragon Semi Submersible Oil Rig "Oban B", with intergration work to be completed at TERRC.
At the moment there are 3 British Ships, 4 American Ships and the North West Hutton Oil Rig (top sections) at TERRC.
The Clem and another British ship are expected to arrive before the end of the year.
http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/1000-jobs-on-the-way.4740462.jp
Teesside Evening Gazette
http://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/teesside-news/2008/11/28/french-aircraft-carrier-will-be-scrapped-on-teesside-84229-22360748/
Also the press release from Able UK.
http://www.ableuk.com/ableshiprecycling/press-able-081113.htm
Post by: JonHare on November 28, 2008, 11:26:07 PM
Post by: Michel FLOCH on November 29, 2008, 10:51:43 AM
Post by: JonHare on December 05, 2008, 10:30:29 PM
No lack of democracy
http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/letters/No-lack-of-democracy.4747224.jp
A letter in response to someone (letter below this one) who was attacking that the decision to grant Able UK planning permission, wasn't taken democratically.
The death of democracy
http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/letters/The-death-of-democracy.4707371.jp
A letter about the decision to allow the Clem to come to Hartlepool. This persons view is that it was the decision of the 3 law lords that granted permission.
Doesn't he realise that it wasn't the 3 law lords that gave the permission, but actually it was the Environment Agency and the Health & Safety Executive who granted permission.
Why I support Able
http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/letters/Why-I-support-Able.4723292.jp
A letter from Jim Allen, Jim is one of the more regular contributors to the Letters page of the Hartlepool Mail and has spoke up for Able UK's plans since they were announced.
There were a couple of letters in today's Hartlepool Mail. But it looks as they haven't updated their Letters page of the website. I will post these letters once they are on their site.
Post by: Michel FLOCH on December 13, 2008, 11:19:18 AM
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on December 13, 2008, 12:31:05 PM
Post by: JonHare on December 13, 2008, 06:16:11 PM
http://www.thpal.co.uk/news.asp?id=133&m=i
Dredgers to make space for Le Clem (Hartlepool Mail)
http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/Dredgers-to-make-space-for.4790817.jp
So things are certainly looking up for her arrival. Hope they don't choose a date when Im at work. :lol: :lol:
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on December 13, 2008, 06:25:18 PM
some facts on the Clemenceau:-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FS_Clemenceau_(1957-1997)
She had a draft of 8.6 metres , I think this might be slightly less, but it is atill quite a deep draft for any vessel.
Post by: JonHare on December 13, 2008, 07:27:22 PM
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on December 14, 2008, 12:18:48 AM
I was only trying to find the draft out, and that was the best I got,it is still a canny draft :lol:
Post by: Michel FLOCH on December 14, 2008, 09:25:57 AM
All that you want to know about Cl
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on December 14, 2008, 04:20:53 PM
Quote
JonHare wrote:
I wouldn't go taking what is on wiki as fact. Info on wiki is about as much use as it is as who put it on. Anybody can put any info/ make stuff up, on about anything. So just take it with a pinch of salt.
Hi jon,
It does say 8.6 metres on here,-
http://www.netmarine.net/bat/porteavi/clem/caracter.htm
but it also mentions 7.5 metres in the dimensions , which could be the draft of her when she is empty of fuel and everything thing else that is not attached to her.
Regards
Brian
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on December 14, 2008, 04:23:02 PM
Is this a record yet for a topic??
Post by: Michel FLOCH on December 14, 2008, 05:44:55 PM
Its exact.
8,6 is the draft in charge (or in load).
Michel
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on December 14, 2008, 05:55:05 PM
Quote
Michbreiz wrote:
Hi Jon,
Its exact.
8,6 is the draft in charge (or in load).
Michel
Hi Michael,
This is the dimension, copied of the clemenceau website you posted the link to:-
Donn
Post by: eclaire on December 15, 2008, 08:27:39 AM
Clemenceau set for final voyage to scrapyard
Decommissioned French aircraft carrier Clemenceau is nearing the final voyage of a 40 year military career as it
prepares to sail to a specialist ship dismantling yard in the UK, where the vessel
Post by: Michel FLOCH on December 15, 2008, 11:19:29 AM
It's correct.
Post by: Guest on December 15, 2008, 07:19:30 PM
This from PD Ports @ http://www.thpal.co.uk/news.asp?id=133&m=i
'PD PORTS STATEMENT
Post by: JonHare on December 15, 2008, 10:24:00 PM
Post by: Michel FLOCH on December 16, 2008, 10:23:29 AM
The last news of the day in the newspaper Le T
Post by: JonHare on December 16, 2008, 11:55:10 PM
http://www.brest.maville.com/vivre/webcam.php?IN_cam=Brest#
The webcam of the Clem is the middle one on the top row of the 6 cameras. Usually you can see the aircraft warning navigation (red) lights in the centre of the pic.
So is there electrical problems linking to the lights aboard the Clem, bad weather blocking the view, or has she departed. :lol:
Well Im wishful thinking that she has departed Brest yet. :lol:
Post by: Michel FLOCH on December 17, 2008, 09:40:12 AM
It is normal that you did not see red lights of Clem the night last and the one before because there was fog on the roads of Brest.
Clem is always there!
Regards
Michel
Post by: Michel FLOCH on December 17, 2008, 09:41:08 AM
News of the day about Clem.
Le T
Post by: Robert J Smith on December 18, 2008, 11:29:38 AM
http://www.seawaves.com/navcall.htm
Regards
Bob
Post by: JonHare on December 18, 2008, 04:58:16 PM
So when it says Hartlepool as port of call, does this mean TERRC or does it mean Hartlepool. ;-) :lol:
Teesport said at the beginning of the month that there was still insufficent depth. Has there been any more dredging since the report of insufficent depth was made. Which I think there may have been since the report.
Post by: JonHare on December 19, 2008, 07:47:27 PM
Ships Arrival put back.
http://www.nebusiness.co.uk/business-news/latest-business-news/2008/12/16/ship-s-arrival-put-back-51140-22486935/
Lloydslist
Hartlepool on track for Clemenceau demolition
http://www.lloydslist.com/ll/news/viewArticle.htm?articleId=1229346779921&src=rss
Story on shippingtimes.co.uk with picture. (pic just shows how large she is)
Welcome awaits aircraft carrier CLEMENCEAU
http://www.shippingtimes.co.uk/item_10180.html
Post by: andeedob on December 20, 2008, 01:53:33 PM
"The vessel will only arrive when it is safe to do so and there are a couple of windows in January, on the 8th/9th and the 25/26th. That will depend on the tide and daylight."
http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/Dredgers-dig-out-channel-for.4810147.jp
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on December 20, 2008, 05:59:05 PM
it looks like a early afternoon arrival
I have just checked The Port Of Tyne website and there tidetables for next year are on there, you only add 21 minutes for the Tees.It will be a spring tide.
here is the link:-
http://www.portoftyne.com/media/tt2009.pdf
Post by: tony on December 23, 2008, 07:00:20 PM
Latest on the "Clem" from Middlesbroughs Evening Gazette
http://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/teesside-news/2008/12/23/aircraft-carrier-clemenceau-gets-the-all-clear-84229-22537305/
Tony
Post by: JonHare on December 25, 2008, 01:07:59 AM
http://www.thpal.co.uk/teesport/shippingreports/SR-10-ShippingMovementsNext7Days.asp
Is showing:
Canisteo
Canopus
Compass Island
Tuxedo Royale
Samba
Clark Avon
All are down for Sailing Not Known, 31/12/2008 23:59:00 Estimate.
With them now showing as Sailing could it be within the first week of January that they are moved. This info certainly means that the Clem shouldn't be too far off.
Post by: eclaire on December 25, 2008, 08:16:55 AM
Happy Christmas and may your new year be full of ships!
claire:-}
Post by: Michel FLOCH on December 29, 2008, 09:55:37 AM
Last news about the Clem
Ouest France - Friday December 26, 2008
>>The hull of the ex-Clemenceau will be scraped
Analyses indicate the presence of parasites on the hull. Therefore, the departure for England will not be done before the end of January.
New misadventure for the old aircraft carrier anchored in Brest. Within the framework of the British environmental regulation, the building sites Able U.K. of Hartlepool, which must dismantle the ex-Clemenceau, ordered an analysis of fauna and flora encrusted on the hull.
The result of this examination, carried out by the company
Post by: JonHare on January 02, 2009, 11:48:00 PM
Tug Anglian Earl is sailing out of British Waters, with destination Boulogne and ETA Jan03 0700hrs.
But Boulogne is well inland in France, so very much doubt this is the destination, with the ETA showing, I think it may be somewhere alot closer.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
(Now onto page 31 and counting) :lol:
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on January 03, 2009, 12:04:39 AM
Post by: Kelvin Davies on January 03, 2009, 01:18:38 AM
I think the destination is Boulogne sur Mer, the channel ferry port
Post by: eclaire on January 03, 2009, 10:51:33 AM
Have we heard any progress on the bottom-scraping??
claire:-}
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on January 03, 2009, 12:02:06 PM
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Ellwood wrote:
Quote:
coatham wrote:
Hi all,
A update on the carrier, thanks to MichBriez!
The tug, 'Anglian Earl' will be the tug bringing her down. Here is the story along with a picture (in French): http://www.brest.maville.com/Un-costaud-pour-remorquer-l-ex-Clemenceau-/re/actudet/actu_loc-724173------_actu.html" target="_blank">Click here.
Regards
Hi Nathan
'Loose Translation' using an online translator is:
Preparations are under way for the ultimate trip of the ancient aircraft carriers towards England. The tug Anglian Earl will be made responsible for bringing it to good harbour.
Unless an inversion of last minute situation, the ex-Clemenceau will join very England shortly. The Klyne Tugs de Lowestoft society, in Suffolk, is loaded with the operation of towing.
On Wednesday, his technicians were present in Brest. They examined the ex-Clemenceau to cause technical means to implement to tow it.
The tug Anglian Earl will take care of the ancient aircraft carriers. The operation of towing for the English construction site should last four days.
Constructed in Netherlands in 1987 under the name of Maersk Logger for the Danish company Maersk, Anglian Earl is a solid tug of open sea, anchoring and provision. Along 69,70 m, equipped with 2 motors Mak of a complete potency of 12 000 horses, he shows a force of traction in the fixed point of 140 tonnes.
Founded in 1892, the Klyne Tugs society refers in the world of towing very as Honeybees. It was kept by British Coastguards to help ships in trouble. Four of his tugs are permanently positioned in strategical places around the sides of United Kingdom.
On the side of the naval prefecture of Atlantic, they confirm that jobs are under way with the aim of the equipment of Q790, official name of the ancient aircraft carriers. It is a question of installing electricity aboard, fires of navigation or else GPS.
Clem' will perform its last trip for the construction site of dismantling of INDUSTRIALIST ABLE UK, located near Hartlepool, in the northeast of the country.
In what date will the ancient aircraft carriers leave Brest?
Post by: JonHare on January 03, 2009, 01:59:18 PM
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eclaire wrote:
Are we 100% certain that Anglian Earl is the tug for Clem?
Have we heard any progress on the bottom-scraping??
claire:-}
I can't see the problem with these issues. What difference is there between the Clem and any other ship that sails in and out of British Waters daily. How many vessels in service have allsorts stuck to the hull under the waterline, but nothing is said about these.
Post by: Guest on January 03, 2009, 02:12:38 PM
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JonHare wrote:
Quote:
eclaire wrote:
Are we 100% certain that Anglian Earl is the tug for Clem?
Have we heard any progress on the bottom-scraping??
claire:-}
I can't see the problem with these issues. What difference is there between the Clem and any other ship that sails in and out of British Waters daily. How many vessels in service have allsorts stuck to the hull under the waterline, but nothing is said about these.
Hi Jon
Introduction of 'alien breeds' to the maritime environmental systems in the Tees is the answer - do you really want to see yet another fight against the move from yet another set of environmentalists ? - don't think so :-)
Regards
Post by: JonHare on January 06, 2009, 08:15:51 PM
French action group in bid to block carrier deal
http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/search/4019751.French_action_group_in_bid_to_block_carrier_deal/
Hartlepool Mail
Le Clem still on course
http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/Le-Clem-still-on-course.4843846.jp
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on January 06, 2009, 09:43:21 PM
Quote
JonHare wrote:
Quote:
eclaire wrote:
Are we 100% certain that Anglian Earl is the tug for Clem?
Have we heard any progress on the bottom-scraping??
claire:-}
I can't see the problem with these issues. What difference is there between the Clem and any other ship that sails in and out of British Waters daily. How many vessels in service have allsorts stuck to the hull under the waterline, but nothing is said about these.
hi john,
the difference is that all ships in service are moving most of the time and the critters dont get a chance to grow on these vessels, were as the clem has sat in the same place for a long time , this will help the critters to grow on the hull, you bring the ship here without a scrape and there is a possibility of these things dropping off.Also modern ships used to be treated with antifouling which prevented growth of these organisms , also shipowners like a clean hull as it improves fuel economy.
Any way after her scrape she will make a slightly better speed on her way here!
:lol: :lol:
Brian
Just found this on the subject:-
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ship/systems/paint.htm
Also is there any one in the Tees area willing to have a go at AIS feed , as the Tees is not very well covered for it being a busy river that it is? PM me for more info
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on January 07, 2009, 11:48:05 AM
http://www.shipais.com/currentmap.php?map=RiverTees
You can see the dredgers dredging the entrance to the TERRC
Post by: JonHare on January 11, 2009, 04:36:24 PM
I am just having a search on Yahoo France for any updates on the Clem.
I have hit the Jackpot.
Cleaning of the hull is underway with predictions of the hull cleaning operation taking 4 days.
This site is in French, but shows pictures of the cleaning operation.
http://www.meretmarine.com/article.cfm?id=109189
08/01/2009
I have translated the article into English (below).
Given the importance of the area to be treated, half of the divers working to clean the hull of the former Clemenceau kicked scrapers could spend some time. That is why the Navy contracted with TechSub specializing in underwater work, his men to assist in this task. The company will be at work today, with additional means and probably better suited.In detail, the sailors are in charge of "scratching" and employees of TechSub "brushing," says one in Brest, where the former aircraft carrier is awaiting tow to Britain. Before beginning this final journey to the demolition site of Able UK Hartlepool, Q 790 must in fact be "clean".
So we thought the end of December, after numerous twists, the departure of former Clemenceau imminent, a new problem occurred. This time, it is not contained asbestos on board who is involved, but the plants and other small marine animals that have colonized the vivid works of the former aircraft carrier stationed since May 2006 in the database shipbuilding Brest.
However, to meet the legislation in force in the UK, it is necessary to eliminate algae and concretions found on the hull. "This operation, which could not be conducted in the days preceding the start, is to remove the species that are not present on the coast of nearby Hartlepool, the future instead of dismantling the boat," says Navy, ensuring that this is "the last step before the actual departure of the hull."
Hopefully now that the Q 790 harbors a few rodents or birds Breton may dangerously disrupt the ecosystem inhabiting the English ...
Post by: JonHare on January 11, 2009, 04:45:14 PM
07/01/2009
It is finally in the second half of January that the former aircraft carrier Clemenceau should leave Brest to be towed to the dismantling yards Able UK, England. Before that, the necessary arrangements for this final trip were taken: close the openings, securing the moving, setting up light signals and markings for the transfer, installation trailers main and back and devices Security (generators, pumps, etc.).
But before his departure, works vives Q 790, ie the submerged part of the hull must be cleaned. Analysis have shown that the sheet was covered with several species of plants and animals away from the area of Hartlepool, where the demolition site.
Not whether organisms clinging to the hull during his half-world tour in 2006, but species finist
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on January 11, 2009, 05:27:51 PM
Idid not think they would clean the hull by using divers, I thought they would have drydocked her.
Post by: JonHare on January 11, 2009, 05:38:28 PM
I'm surprised that they are using scrapers. But at least it looks as though it is on for a 25/6th Jan arrival. Best keeping a close eye on the Anglian Earl and the webcam that looks towards the Clem. http://www.brest.maville.com/vivre/webcam.php#
Post by: Nathan on January 12, 2009, 07:20:58 PM
TUXEDO ROYALE is due to move from the TERRC Basin tomorrow (13th) to Able Central Quay.
Regards
Post by: C on January 13, 2009, 02:19:59 PM
Post by: Guest on January 13, 2009, 02:22:46 PM
Regards
Post by: C on January 13, 2009, 02:25:26 PM
Post by: Nathan on January 13, 2009, 04:43:31 PM
Regards
Post by: Michel FLOCH on January 15, 2009, 03:09:19 PM
Last news and comments of the affair Clem.
Ouest-France
Post by: JonHare on January 15, 2009, 05:31:49 PM
There are far more than 17 people employed on site at TERRC. Able UK has many sections to its empire. I think there are even more than 17 people employed in management.
Able UK has been going on for years, so they have a lot of resources and a lot of work which has kept the company ticking over.
Quote
"In fact, it relies on money from the French government to finance its facilities."
End Quote
Able UK does not rely on the French Government to finance its facilities. As what I have said above, they have plenty of resources in reserve.
By the womens statements, it just goes to show how very little they know about the company or the dealings.
I just hope the Clem comes in next weekend as planned, as if any more delays may be costly as delays to the Oban-B project may be held up.
I'm just getting in touch with Able UK, with this article. Hopefully Able UK will get in touch with the French media and put the story straight and give facts out rather than unfounded hype from the protestors.
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on January 15, 2009, 10:18:16 PM
Post by: JonHare on January 16, 2009, 12:03:13 PM
Post by: Guest on January 16, 2009, 12:47:45 PM
Quote
JonHare wrote:
Tuxedo Royale was towed out of TERRC this morning to Able Central Quay, Middlesbrough (where the container ships are laid up).
Hi Jon
Thanks for the heads up - may be worth a trip down to Teeside to check her out - of course she is returning to where she traded as a Night Club :-)
Regards
Post by: eclaire on January 16, 2009, 02:41:39 PM
Looks like Able are pretty certain Clem is imminent.
Anyone seen the weather forecast for the next week - we dont need a weather warning as that might delay her again!
claire:-}
Post by: JonHare on January 16, 2009, 02:50:54 PM
But from about Mon/ Tuesday it will become calm again with high pressure building. Weather is expected to turn colder on the back edge of this storm system this weekend. So I can see the first part of next weeks being ideal sailing conditions.
BBC Weather Atlantic Pressure Forecast till Tuesday
http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/coast/pressure/#no_url
Post by: Michel FLOCH on January 16, 2009, 03:03:51 PM
Are you always interested by news concerning the Clem, from Brest?
Nobody seems to be interested in it.
Here are all the same the last.
Le T
Post by: andeedob on January 16, 2009, 05:13:30 PM
Just happened to be passing this morning. She has moved and is now located just downstream of the transporter bridge - pic: http://www.shipspotting.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=813867&cid=9
Post by: JonHare on January 19, 2009, 07:54:52 PM
Le Clem due within days
http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/Le-Clem-due-within-days.4889385.jp
(the Hartlepool Mail (paper) on this story has a shot of the Tux and Tugs from Friday)
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on January 19, 2009, 08:08:23 PM
I assume there is only 5 , with the Pheonix up here on the Tyne.
Post by: Nathan on January 19, 2009, 09:06:22 PM
When i went down on Sunday there was only 3! Afew must of been doing a job or somthing. The tugs currently on the Tees (i think) are:
Ormesby Cross
Fiery Cross
Coatham Cross
Svitzer Bootle
Svitzer Sun
I think thats the 5...
Regards
Post by: Michel FLOCH on January 20, 2009, 07:24:31 AM
Because of the weather forecast.
Michel
Post by: eclaire on January 20, 2009, 01:55:45 PM
How fast would be realistic towing speed if the weather is OK?
claire:-}
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on January 20, 2009, 04:01:17 PM
Quote
eclaire wrote:
On the webcam there have been a couple of little boats apparantly anchored by her today, presumably preparing?
How fast would be realistic towing speed if the weather is OK?
claire:-}
Hi maybe 6 knots at best speed , could be as low as 3 knots, a lot will depend on the tug that is chartered for the tow.
Post by: JonHare on January 20, 2009, 04:04:15 PM
Feature- Able UK
http://www.bbc.co.uk/tees/content/articles/2009/01/13/able_uk_feature.shtml
Credit Crunch- A river reborn
http://www.bbc.co.uk/tees/content/articles/2009/01/16/river_reborn_feature.shtml
This morning there was abit on BBC Look North breakfast bullitin at about 0725hrs. Only caught the last seconds of it. But the cameras were down on the dockside of TERRC. Hopefully there will show it on the 1830 broadcast. Best keep an eye out.
Post by: eclaire on January 20, 2009, 04:21:11 PM
Good also to see that both articles say that Clem is definitely coming!
claire:-}
Post by: Michel FLOCH on January 20, 2009, 04:49:16 PM
Clem is definitely coming, but you will again have to wait a little.
It is this way of the channel that will be given the departure.
Not by the British medias.
Newspaper Le T
Post by: Nathan on January 20, 2009, 06:33:11 PM
Yet another delay, at least its not a long term one! :lol:
All the best
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on January 20, 2009, 07:17:50 PM
I have made a route map on google earth and posted it on jons topicon here-
http://forum.shipais.com/index.php?showtopic=2131&pid=15017&st=0&#entry15017
Post by: JonHare on January 20, 2009, 11:10:49 PM
Weather dicates ship arrival
http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/search/4059933.Weather_dictates_ship_arrival/
Take a look at the comment below the story. How is this work "third world work". Another totally uninformed person.
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on January 20, 2009, 11:23:26 PM
Post by: Guest on January 21, 2009, 07:46:22 AM
Quote
JonHare wrote:
How is this work "third world work". Another totally uninformed person.
Hi Jon
Obviously the person in question knows nothing about the historical link that the North East has with ship demolition :-)
Regards
Post by: C on January 26, 2009, 01:07:45 PM
Post by: JonHare on January 26, 2009, 08:02:45 PM
Rig jobs blow after contract collapse
http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/Rig-jobs-blow-after-contract.4910248.jp
200 New jobs... and more to come
http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/200-new-jobs--and.4910679.jp
Post by: eclaire on January 26, 2009, 08:14:38 PM
Post by: Nathan on January 28, 2009, 04:01:54 PM
The Anglian Earl is now on route to Brest: http://www.shipais.com/showship.php?mmsi=314166000
Regards
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on January 28, 2009, 04:40:35 PM
Post by: C on January 28, 2009, 07:32:23 PM
Post by: JonHare on January 28, 2009, 07:52:34 PM
BBC Weather Tide Table for Sunday 1st Feb is showing high tide 0715hrs at 4.8m, Monday 2nd Feb is showing high tide as 0800hrs at 4.6m. From what I heard is a good tide to bring her in on.
But think the tides are getting larger to the weekend 7/8/9th Feb.
Fingers crossed they may go for a Sunday arrival, which means I can see two aircraft carriers in 2 days, Ark Royal up on the Tyne and Clem into the Tees. :lol:
Post by: C on January 28, 2009, 08:20:15 PM
Post by: Nathan on January 28, 2009, 08:37:54 PM
In previous articles submitted, one of the french papers said the tow would take around 4 days. But i suppose that would depend on conditions.
Im not sure what the depth of the chanel is after the dredging ABLE have been doing, it might be deep enough as the UKD Marlin and Cork Sand have since left.
Regards
Post by: JonHare on January 28, 2009, 08:56:27 PM
Quote
Miya wrote:
Isn't her hull quite large/deep therefor wouldn't you need a larger tide.
From previous reports in the media, Im sure they were saying a tide of 4.6-4.8m would be sufficent to get the Clem in.
Post by: JonHare on January 30, 2009, 11:42:11 AM
Viewed from the Clemenceau webcam in Brest.
http://www.brest.maville.com/vivre/webcam.php#
Not too long to wait now then. Just hope the Clem doesn't form icicles on her voyage up the North Sea next month.
Post by: Michel FLOCH on January 30, 2009, 12:40:32 PM
The newspaper Le T
Post by: JonHare on January 31, 2009, 08:09:38 AM
Translation
Hartlepool resigned to the arrival of the ex-Clemenceau
The former French aircraft carrier will be dismantled near the English town. Despite the promised jobs, not the enthusiasm.
"In the morning, there is a nagging smell, it smells like garbage," sighs Maxine. Finger, she means the dark hills a few hundred yards from the flag of coquet Seaton Carew, on the outskirts of Hartlepool. This is the site for asbestos in industrial Able UK. His yard dismantling of old ships is not far away, on the River Tees.
Hartlepool is an industrial city with no particular charm of 86 000 inhabitants, planted in the north-east of England. Here, the arrival of the Clemenceau and its 700 tonnes of asbestos materials n'enthousiasme little world. "We are worried for our children," says Alan, leaning at the table of a pub, his voice rough.
Job Creation
Yet Able UK has promised things will be done within the rules. The aircraft carrier will be dismantled in dry dock, asbestos treatment under legal procedures. Remains a concern. In 2007, the company had to pay 22 000 pounds (? 24 500) fine for asbestos flout safety rules.
From past to the Mayor of Hartlepool, Stuart Drummond: "As long as health authorities have given their backing, we support the project. It will create jobs. "Able UK promises to employ an additional sixty workers to dismantle the Clemenceau. And more if the contracts are increasing.
The company currently employs "between 250 and 500 employees," according to its CEO, Peter Stephenson. She specializes in the recycling of oil platforms, industrial buildings and ships.
With only 4.5% of job seekers, Hartlepool remains relatively unaffected by unemployment that affects the region of Yorkshire. But she fears the arrival of the crisis and the slowdown in industrial activity. The jobs promised by Able UK are welcome.
Handful of opponents
Today, only a handful of opponents, the "Friends of Hartlepool" leads a legal battle against Able UK. "The Clemenceau was born in Brest, he should die in Brest," says John Kennedy, wife of head of the association.
The Friends of Hartlepool "provide 5 having collected 000 signatures against the arrival of Clem. Different story in the office of mayor: "I have received no letter against the coming of the ship," said Stuart Drummond.
For many, the case of the Clemenceau just confirms what they already knew. "We're the garbage of the world, says Alan. Dismantle the Clemenceau here, why not? But then it should return the asbestos waste to France. "
Karine LE LO
Post by: Michel FLOCH on January 31, 2009, 10:20:26 AM
On the web site of Ouest-France
Saturday January 31, 2009
http://www.brest.maville.com/actu/actudet_-L-heure-du-depart-toujours-tenue-secrete-_loc-810881_actu.Htm
Translation :
The secret hour of the departure always held
The departure of the ex-Clemenceau is nothing any more from now on but one question of days, if not hours. Yesterday, in the morning, the British tug boat Anglian Earl came to moor at the aircraft carrier warf where Clem' is since its return of India in May 2006.
In the course of the day, the crew of the ship set up gr
Post by: Robert J Smith on January 31, 2009, 11:58:12 AM
http://www.brest.maville.com/vivre/webcam.php#
now showing Anglian Earl going alondside the Clem. She was previously moored on the other side of the wharf.
Bob
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on January 31, 2009, 12:19:11 PM
Quote
rjs wrote:
The webcam mentioned above
http://www.brest.maville.com/vivre/webcam.php#
now showing Anglian Earl going alondside the Clem. She was previously moored on the other side of the wharf.
Bob
AT 1218 UK time it looks like she is at the bow taken the tow ,
WATCH THIS WEBCAM
Post by: Michel FLOCH on February 02, 2009, 07:34:51 AM
News of the day about the Clem :
http://www.brest.maville.com/actu/actudet_-L-ex-Clem-pret-a-larguer-les-amarres.-Mais...-_loc-812188_actu.Htm
Michel
Post by: JonHare on February 02, 2009, 10:32:28 AM
French Protestors in ship campaign threat
http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/search/4093190.French_protestors_in_ship_campaign_threat/
Post by: JonHare on February 02, 2009, 10:40:22 AM
Quote
Michbreiz wrote:
Hi,
News of the day about the Clem :
http://www.brest.maville.com/actu/actudet_-L-ex-Clem-pret-a-larguer-les-amarres.-Mais...-_loc-812188_actu.Htm
Michel
Translation
The former Clem ready to cast off. But ...
The administrative court is considering today, in Rennes, the validity of permits to start. His answer will fall rapidly. For a few hours, the case of the former Clemenceau will move. From the military port of Brest to the courtroom of the Administrative Tribunal of Rennes. At 14 am 30 today, that is where the action will be considered in the association of emergency Acting together for sustainable development (AE2D).
As announced for several weeks, so on the ground that legal win, or lose the battle (1). After several controversies on the ability of the Able UK yard to carry out the dismantling, the presence of 700 tonnes of asbestos materials on board, the scraping of the hull of the ship, on the opportunity to deconstruct in Brest, etc.. Finally, we know.
and then what?
Because technically, as the captain said Commander Bertrand Hudault, Communications of the maritime prefecture, on our side, everything is ready. It is the Able UK yard to determine the date of departure. " This should not delay too. The tug that had chartered for the operation is in Brest since Friday and each day of detention costs.
While, the former aircraft carrier d
Post by: Michel FLOCH on February 02, 2009, 04:04:22 PM
16:32 - Monday, February 02nd, 2009
Ex-Clemenceau: the decision of the judge known in the afternoon
The president of the administrative court of Rennes will say from this afternoon if he suspends or not the transfer of the ex--Clemenceau in England, as well as asks for it the environmentalist associationAE2D (Act for the environment and the sustainable development). The audience took place at 2:30 pm. It ended at about 4 pm.
The director of legal affairs of the Ministry of Ecology, Thierry Girardot, exposed the point of view of the State.
Michel
Post by: Guest on February 02, 2009, 04:08:27 PM
Quite an interesting piece of video from the Greythorpe Yard on the BBC Tees web site @
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7855955.stm
Regards
Post by: JonHare on February 02, 2009, 04:57:34 PM
Leaving Cl
Post by: JonHare on February 02, 2009, 04:59:15 PM
Post by: eclaire on February 02, 2009, 05:00:46 PM
claire:-}
Post by: Michel FLOCH on February 02, 2009, 05:31:23 PM
I exactly was translating the article. You were faster than me.
Intense activity on the front of the aircraft carrier at this end of the afternoon.
The floating crane of the naval base was at work :
http://i67.servimg.com/u/f67/12/57/48/58/lundi_10.jpg
http://i67.servimg.com/u/f67/12/57/48/58/lundi_11.jpg
The departure approaches...
Post by: JonHare on February 02, 2009, 07:17:31 PM
Quote
Michbreiz wrote:
Seen well Jonathan.
I exactly was translating the article. You were faster than me
Over the past month I had been searching the French Yahoo for info on Le Clem. Found my sister's French Dictionary/ Translation, found that to be slow so done a search for an online translator and found this:
http://www.french-linguistics.co.uk/translate/
Which has worked a gem with the various French articles, by copying and paste.
I wonder how many people will be watching the Brest webcam tomorrow.
Post by: Michel FLOCH on February 03, 2009, 07:25:57 AM
The Clem leaves today or tomorrow. The articles in the newspapers are here:
- http://www.brest.maville.com/actu/actudet_-L-ex-Clemenceau-pare-a-appareiller-aujourd-hui-_loc-813235_actu.Htm
- http://www.letelegramme.com/ig/generales/regions/finistere/ex-clemenceau-depart-imminent-03-02-2009-232840.php
I do not have time to translate, because I have to go to my spot and although I have only 5 Km to join him, the roads are icy and snowy.
Another webcam that gives overview of the naval base, the bay and the mouth.
- http://www.mairie-brest.fr/cam/
Regards
Michel
Post by: eclaire on February 03, 2009, 07:38:19 AM
Feb 9th is mentioned as the possible date into Tees
The baroud honor supporters of its decommissioning in France has failed. Nothing prevents the former aircraft carrier to leave BrestNothing precludes the departure of the former Clemenceau to England. Yesterday, the Administrative Tribunal of Rennes has not reversed the trend. He did not hear the arguments advanced by David Rajjou, counsel for the association Action for Environment and Sustainable Development (AE2D). Acting in, he rejected the request for suspension of transfer of the former aircraft carrier
The hearing lasted all in all an hour and a half. It was chaired by a single judge, the chairman of the tribunal itself, Herv
Post by: Michel FLOCH on February 03, 2009, 08:34:35 AM
A local radio announced the departure for 11:00.
Post by: JonHare on February 03, 2009, 09:05:14 AM
The ex-Clemenceau this morning for the case
The ex-Clemenceau this morning the military port of Brest for the breaks. He leaves his mooring dock around 11am and will be transferred to a large natural harbor of Brest by the number of vessels of the naval base. It will then be delivered to the ocean tug Anglian Earl who tow up to Hartlepool, Great Britain. This is where the old aircraft carrier d
Post by: Michel FLOCH on February 03, 2009, 10:00:45 AM
Post by: Nathan on February 03, 2009, 11:16:13 AM
Will be interesting to see if Anglian Earl decides to state the ETA on her AIS.
Regards
Post by: Robert J Smith on February 03, 2009, 12:03:10 PM
http://www.shipspotting.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=823077
http://www.shipspotting.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=823076
I hope the weathers good when she arrives at Hartlepool, look forward to seeing the photos.
Bob
Post by: JonHare on February 03, 2009, 12:54:59 PM
Le Clem on its way
http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/Le-Clem-on-its-way.4939827.jp
Post by: Michel FLOCH on February 03, 2009, 03:11:55 PM
The Clemenceau is now en route to England. Some pictures of departure:
http://www.shipspotting.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=825665
http://www.shipspotting.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=825666
http://www.shipspotting.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=825667
http://www.shipspotting.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=825669
http://www.shipspotting.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=825674
http://www.shipspotting.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=825671
Farewell Cl
Post by: JonHare on February 03, 2009, 08:11:58 PM
Clemenceau leaves France for Hartlepool
http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/4096801.Clemenceau_leaves_France_for_Hartlepool/
(love the comments made)
Teesside Evening Gazette
Former aircraft carrier sets sail for Teesside
http://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/teesside-breaking-news/2009/02/03/former-aircraft-carrier-sets-sail-for-teesside-84229-22843765/
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on February 03, 2009, 08:38:54 PM
Quote
Michbreiz wrote:
It is without any regret that I post on this topic for the last time.
The Clemenceau is now en route to England. Some pictures of departure:
http://www.shipspotting.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=825665
http://www.shipspotting.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=825666
http://www.shipspotting.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=825667
http://www.shipspotting.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=825669
http://www.shipspotting.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=825674
http://www.shipspotting.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=825671
Farewell Cl
Post by: JonHare on February 03, 2009, 10:17:52 PM
Carrier heads for ghost ship firm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/tees/7866993.stm
Also in this article is a clip of a radio interview about the Clemenceau with Able UK Managing Director, Peter Stephenson.
Post by: Paul Sherwin on February 04, 2009, 01:49:49 AM
Just a quick note to say that robindesbois.org has just published worldwide shipscrapping activity for September - December 08 . Click ' English ' option to read. For some bizarre reason they haven't printed a French version !!
Scrap price down to 200 - 250 USD a ton.
Post by: JonHare on February 04, 2009, 11:38:35 AM
AIRCRAFT CARRIER BEGINS JOURNEY
http://www.ableuk.com/pressreleases.shtml
Hartlepool Mail
Le Clem sets sail
http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/Le-Clem-sets-sail.4941943.jp
The Northern Echo
Controversial 'ghost ship' heads for North-East
http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/4099487.Controversial____ghost_ship____heads_for_North_East/
Teesside Evening Gazette
Contaminated warship on its way for recycling on Teesside
http://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/teesside-breaking-news/2009/02/04/contaminated-warship-on-its-way-for-recycling-on-teesside-84229-22852004/
Post by: Kelvin Davies on February 04, 2009, 07:56:24 PM
At 20:00 this evening, they are about 20 miles North of Guernsey, doing a gentle 4 knots with 4 more days to go.
You lads up north should be OK as ETA is allegedly 10:00 on the 8th. A nice Sunday morning treat for you!
Post by: Nathan on February 04, 2009, 08:20:34 PM
Lets hope she sticks to that ETA. :lol:
Regards
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on February 04, 2009, 10:47:43 PM
Quote
kelvin wrote:
Not only departed but ewll on her way now.
At 20:00 this evening, they are about 20 miles North of Guernsey, doing a gentle 4 knots with 4 more days to go.
You lads up north should be OK as ETA is allegedly 10:00 on the 8th. A nice Sunday morning treat for you!
High water on the Tees is about 1500 , this tide table is for the Tyne
add 20 minutes for the Tees, so there is plenty of time to set your cameras up
Tyne tide table (http://www.pol.ac.uk/ntslf/tides/?port=0032)
Post by: JonHare on February 04, 2009, 10:56:15 PM
Post by: JonHare on February 04, 2009, 11:00:49 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/coast/tides/tides.shtml?date=20090208&loc=0185
Afternoon tide 1440 at 5.2m
Post by: JonHare on February 04, 2009, 11:45:07 PM
http://www.ableuk.com/news.shtml
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on February 05, 2009, 12:03:25 AM
she is the one in blue
ANGLIAN EARL DETAILS (http://www.marinetraffic.com/ais/shipdetails.aspx?MMSI=314166000)
Post by: JonHare on February 05, 2009, 05:26:57 PM
As Le Clem nears, hints at more to come.
http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/As-Le-Clem-nears-hints.4950187.jp
Able UK hopes to bring in one or two more ships before the cofferdam is completed.
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on February 05, 2009, 07:35:14 PM
Quote
cawky wrote:
she will probably start her approach 1 hour before high water ,I have found her ;-
she is the one in blue
ANGLIAN EARL DETAILS
Not a "ping" for 20 hours ,I wonder if they have turned there ais off!!
Just been looking at the tide tables and there is a huge tide due on Wednesday the 11 th:- Tide table (http://easytide.ukho.gov.uk/EASYTIDE/EasyTide/ShowPrediction.aspx?PortID=0185&PredictionLength=7)
Post by: Kelvin Davies on February 05, 2009, 11:03:00 PM
As of 23:00 GMT, they are making 8 kts just off Deal, having rounded the corner off Dover. Still showing the same ETA
Kelvin
Post by: Paul Sherwin on February 06, 2009, 02:03:59 AM
Post by: Kelvin Davies on February 06, 2009, 06:38:20 AM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7872650.stm
During this video/audio piece, the Able representative refers specifically to the arrival on Sunday.
The tow is not showing up on AIS this morning but was last seen at 02:26 east of Southend.
Post by: jeffuk13 on February 06, 2009, 07:42:40 AM
Post by: eclaire on February 06, 2009, 08:13:51 AM
Other than the Gare, where is the best place to see her from?
claire:-}
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on February 06, 2009, 09:27:54 AM
Watch this space!!
Update:-ANGLIAN EARL just south of Lowestoft at 0910 today.
Post by: Mike on February 06, 2009, 09:34:44 AM
Hi Nathan
Nice looking ship - see http://www.shipspotting.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=517427
Interesting history since she was decommissioned:
In December 2004, before Clemenceau set sail for India, Greenpeace started protesting against France's plans to outsource the scrapping of the 27,000-ton warship laden with toxins such as asbestos, PCBs, lead, mercury, and other toxic chemicals in India in violation of the Basel Convention.
Hi Steve
Looking at some of the recent pictures of her with all that rust and bits stripped off they should not have any difficulty in scrapping her as she will probably fall apart.
She is not that big anyhow similar to the Ark Royal and a midget compared to the likes of the US carrier Nimitz (91.000 ton).
Still its work for the lads! and hope you all get some good pictures!
Regards
Mike :-)
Post by: JonHare on February 06, 2009, 11:04:01 AM
Quote
eclaire wrote:
Other than the Gare, where is the best place to see her from?
claire:-}
Anywhere along the Hartlepool/ Seaton Carew seafront. Also the Blue Lagoon at the North Gare Nature Reserve, where you can get shots like this
http://www.jhphotos.co.uk/html/able_uk_9.html
http://www.jhphotos.co.uk/html/able_uk_13.html
http://www.jhphotos.co.uk/html/able_uk_1.html
Post by: tony on February 06, 2009, 03:45:15 PM
The " Clemenceau / Q790 " has a firm order of 12.00 am on Sunday 08/02/2009 to enter the Tees.See link.
http://www.thpal.co.uk/teesport/shippingreports/SR-10-ShippingMovementsNext7Days.asp
Regards
Tony
Post by: Kelvin Davies on February 06, 2009, 05:42:26 PM
Worse; the BBC weather forecast is clouds and poor visibility.
Let's hope it all changes before then!
Post by: Nathan on February 06, 2009, 07:28:25 PM
I think you have got a little mixed up there. They are both due into Teesbay at 17:00 on Saturday, if you scroll down to Sundays movements you will see that there both under FIRM ORDER at 12:00.
Regards
Post by: JonHare on February 06, 2009, 07:37:31 PM
Quote
spotter50 wrote:
Hi The " Clemenceau / Q790 " has a firm order of 12.00 am on Sunday 08/02/2009 to enter the Tees.See link. http://www.thpal.co.uk/teesport/shippingreports/SR-10-ShippingMovementsNext7Days.asp
Tony
I hope you mean 12.00 pm as 12.00am is 0000hrs/ midnight. ;-)
Post by: eclaire on February 07, 2009, 09:50:12 AM
Post by: Adrian Ford on February 07, 2009, 10:03:53 AM
Post by: eclaire on February 07, 2009, 10:14:15 AM
claire:-}
Post by: andeedob on February 07, 2009, 10:39:22 AM
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on February 07, 2009, 11:24:32 AM
Post by: Nathan on February 07, 2009, 11:59:53 AM
We can but wait and see, again :lol:.
Any of you Tyne lot going to pay a visit?
Regards
Post by: buck rogers on February 07, 2009, 04:23:57 PM
iv"e been following this story amongst other things on the website with interest.on sunday im taking my daughters down to watch her coming in.
could someone please tell me exactly what time she is due to be towed into the tees,and which frequency will the chatter be on,on my scanner(its digital).
i will hopefully get some photos too.
thanks to all on here for the informative info so far,especially the ais links.
Post by: eclaire on February 07, 2009, 05:12:22 PM
Post by: Guest on February 07, 2009, 09:24:44 PM
Best of luck to those members going down to the Tees tomorrow to capture the events for posterity. May the weather be kind to you all and I for one look forward to seeing the fruits of your labour and possible frost bite :-)
I wont be there unfortunately as I had a prior arrangement to buy my son and his partner 'baby equipment' and as a first time Grand Parent that has to come before my hobbies.
Regards
Post by: Nathan on February 07, 2009, 10:12:04 PM
Congratulations mate, shame you cant make it down.
Regards
Post by: Kelvin Davies on February 07, 2009, 11:14:18 PM
Well there you have it, bonny lad!
Now showing on AIS again at 23:10, Anglian Earl has just steamed right past Hartlepool.
As I right, the speed just came down from 6 to 2 knots.
Best of luck with the weather etc tomorrow.
Kelvin
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on February 07, 2009, 11:34:28 PM
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on February 07, 2009, 11:43:20 PM
Kelvin , I had my beer goggles on last night and I thank you for the PM
I appologise to all .
Post by: Roy Walters on February 08, 2009, 12:06:48 AM
the Earl has not sailed past Hartlepool. The Earl is sitting straight out from the old lifeboat station at Redcar. I have a first floor living room window with a view from South Shields to Whitby. I've followed it up tonight, around the back of Alfa Britannica. A triangle of white lights sat on the horizon followed by a red light at maybe 6-700m to the stern. The light is not good enough to make out Clem. If my horizon calculation is correct, its 6 miles out? It came back on AIS at 23:10 but has been sat there since 22:45.
see you on the Gare.
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on February 08, 2009, 10:13:13 AM
Post by: Guest on February 08, 2009, 10:29:49 AM
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cawky wrote:
Oh no my PC with the hiplotter on is acting up ,I will try and get it back on as soon as possible
Hi Brian
Always the case that when you REALLY need a PC they go on the blink!
Looking at AIS Live, the Tees Pilot Launch Greatham is on her way out to the Anglian Earl, so it looks good for the 12.00 arrival :-)
Regards
Post by: Kelvin Davies on February 08, 2009, 10:42:54 AM
I was just watching the antics on AIS and the Greatham is on its way out for the second time this morning. I wonder what that is about? Forgot the Blue Riband perhaps?
I also noticed the tug is apparently going round in circles.
The better news for the local enthusiasts is that the BBC web site is showing an outbreak of sunshine at 12:00.
Incidentally, it does seem to have sailed past Hartlepool; they are all currently 6.5 miles NE of Garrison Point. Alfa Britannia is a couple of miles due East of Redcar.
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on February 08, 2009, 10:49:21 AM
Kelvin , the pilot boat is probably delivering riggers to handle the tow ropes on the carrier, were she is now is a straight line into the Tees approach channel entrance (http://www.thpal.co.uk/teesport/port_approach.asp)
Post by: Guest on February 08, 2009, 10:54:57 AM
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kelvin wrote:
Steve,
I was just watching the antics on AIS and the Greatham is on its way out for the second time this morning. I wonder what that is about? Forgot the Blue Riband perhaps?
I also noticed the tug is apparently going round in circles.
The better news for the local enthusiasts is that the BBC web site is showing an outbreak of sunshine at 12:00.
Incidentally, it does seem to have sailed past Hartlepool; they are all currently 6.5 miles NE of Garrison Point. Alfa Britannia is a couple of miles due East of Redcar.
Hi Kelvin
Probably taking onboard a camera crew - bound to be a 'news-worthy' event.
Don't suppose they could simply 'drop anchor' and thus the constant 'restricted movements' to keep the load close to the Tees.
Greatham now headed back into the Tees.
Regards
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on February 08, 2009, 11:00:08 AM
Post by: neil mercer on February 08, 2009, 02:39:31 PM
Post by: Nathan on February 08, 2009, 03:52:24 PM
What a great day!
Clemenceau is now moored in the TERRC Basin, she was brought in by Svitzer Bootle, Svitzer Sun, Fiery Cross, Ormesby Cross and Coatham Cross came to assist with berthing.
The Tees Harbour Launch, Tees Sentinel, Coatham, Greatham and two police vessels escorted the convoy in.
Just sorting the pictures out now 8-)
Regards
Post by: JonHare on February 08, 2009, 04:44:55 PM
Looking on the BBC News website I have found these couple of stories.
A controversial end to 'The Clem'
Saturday 7th Feb
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/tees/7874028.stm
Ghost ship arrives in north-east
Sunday 8th Feb
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/tees/7877204.stm
Post by: JonHare on February 08, 2009, 06:21:38 PM
French ship joins 'toxic' fleet
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7877293.stm
'Toxic' ship arrives in Teesside
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7877820.stm
Post by: JonHare on February 08, 2009, 10:43:54 PM
http://www.jhphotos.co.uk/html/able_uk_19.html
http://www.jhphotos.co.uk/html/able_uk_20.html
http://www.jhphotos.co.uk/html/able_uk_21.html
http://www.jhphotos.co.uk/html/able_uk_22.html
http://www.jhphotos.co.uk/html/able_uk_23.html
http://www.jhphotos.co.uk/html/able_uk_24.html
Also uploaded a couple of shots of TERRC from December 2008.
http://www.jhphotos.co.uk/html/able_uk_17.html
http://www.jhphotos.co.uk/html/able_uk_18.html
Post by: Nathan on February 09, 2009, 04:12:10 PM
http://www.flickr.com/photos/23286690@N03/3264840934/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/23286690@N03/3264766042/in/photostream/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/23286690@N03/3264766032/in/photostream/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/23286690@N03/3264766014/in/photostream/
Theres also afew of mine on this site to.
Regards
Post by: JonHare on February 09, 2009, 05:53:39 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/puffbox/hyperpuff/audiovideo/england/tyne/7879645.stm
BBC are speculating that Able UK has secured RFA Sir Percivale for scrapping.
Also being reported on Ship Nostalgia forum.
http://www.shipsnostalgia.com/showthread.php?t=24336
Post by: holedrille on February 10, 2009, 05:12:33 PM
David
Post by: Guest on February 10, 2009, 05:46:12 PM
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holedrille wrote:
Can anyone explain why Able do not seem to have cut anything up yet, even ships they have had for years? They seem to be more of a collector than a scrappy. If they are not careful they will run out of storage room.
David
Hi David
My 'understanding' is that once Able have all of the vessels that they are to demolish within their 'area' they will build a coffer dam to effectively turn that into a dry dock. They will then start on the scrapping process which will prevent any leakage into the Tees.
Still a few vessels still to go......
Regards
Post by: Nathan on February 10, 2009, 06:17:18 PM
Plus, it has taken ABLE quite a long time to get the permissons etc needed to dispose of the waste. Its been one long battle for Peter Stephenson, but at least things are definatly looking up for him and his company. It will be interesting to see what else he brings to the Tees.
Regards
Post by: JonHare on February 14, 2009, 12:29:25 AM
Five more ghost ships could be on the way
http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/Five-more-ghost-ships-could.4976037.jp
Upto five more ships could be heading to TERRC before the dock is sealed off and drained. Two of which are British ships and neogotiations are continuing into being for other vessles to come in. But is expected that plans to complete the dry dock will proceed on time, wether the vessels arrive or not.
Post by: JonHare on February 20, 2009, 11:52:29 PM
Flying pigs and jobs galore
http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/letters/Flying-pigs-and-jobs-galore.5000699.jp
Not in Mr Stephenson's bavck yard
http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/letters/Not-in-Mr-Stephenson39s-back.5000689.jp
Dock wasn't built for the job
http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/letters/Dock-wasn39t-built-for-the.5000695.jp
Don't drag town down
http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/letters/Don39t-drag-town-down.5000694.jp
More Le Clem letters in tomorrows Mail.
I wonder if they will publish any pro Able UK/ Clemenceau letters?
A letter published from last week
200 jobs, not 1,000
http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/letters/200-jobs-not-1000.4967853.jp
Post by: JonHare on February 21, 2009, 12:04:29 AM
Came across this from the Teesside Evening Gazette. Although this shows what articles there are. What caught me is the little icon just down on the right.
http://icteesside.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0001head/ghostships/index.cfm?page=5
"Let the boats come in" An Evening Gazette campaign
I didn't realise they had ran a campaign of such.
Post by: JonHare on February 21, 2009, 10:23:58 AM
Time for storm to abate
http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/letters/Time-for-storm-to-abate.5003717.jp
A letter from a fella who has been supporting the project thru the letters page for years. By giving clear and precise information to try and put right the false allergations that protestors have been making.
Post by: JonHare on February 21, 2009, 10:03:19 PM
Scrap trade - The Engineer Online
http://www.theengineer.co.uk/Articles/310080/Scrap+trade.htm
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on February 21, 2009, 10:25:21 PM
Wait till they fill the dock then pump it out , now that will be a site to be seen Jon
Post by: Guest on February 21, 2009, 10:27:01 PM
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cawky wrote:
Wait till they fill the dock then pump it out , now that will be a site to be seen Jon
Hi Brian
Problem is that we won't get to see it :-o
Regards
Post by: JonHare on February 23, 2009, 06:14:49 PM
Letters page
Proud of what we do
http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/letters/Proud-of-what-we-do.5005701.jp
A letter from Mr Stephenson
Post by: eclaire on February 23, 2009, 08:36:58 PM
Thanks for keeping posting these Jon! Hopefully the other ships will be on their way soon
claire:-}
Post by: Nathan on March 07, 2009, 01:55:29 PM
There has been a arson attack at ABLE UKs yard, the Hartlepool Mail are covering the story: Link. (http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/Ghost-ships-yard-damaged-by.5049283.jp)
Regards
Post by: JonHare on March 08, 2009, 07:50:57 PM
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on March 11, 2009, 06:20:43 PM
http://www.maritimejournal.com/archive101/2009/march/online_news/teesport_welcomes_its_sentinel
the site it is on is also worth a read.
Post by: Nathan on March 11, 2009, 09:02:12 PM
Good find!
I caught her on the the off chance moored up last year: Tees Sentinel (http://www.shipspotting.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=803350)
She was on the River when Clemenceau came in with her survery sign replaced with a police sign, its one fast little craft!
All the best
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on March 11, 2009, 10:08:37 PM
I remember her being out that day the Clem came in , this is why I posted on here ,I was at Seaton when she arrived ,but did not take any photos of the carrier, one thing I noticed was how long she was.
Regards
Brian
Post by: JonHare on April 02, 2009, 09:39:29 PM
PRESTIGIOUS AWARD FOR ABLE UK - RECOGNITION OF EXCELLENCE
http://www.ableuk.com/pressreleases.shtml
It is nice to hear that Able UK are being rewarded. What speaks volumes is the number of categories that Able UK were looked at.
Post by: JonHare on April 04, 2009, 09:48:50 AM
http://www.daylife.com/photo/05iu3P7bvX99w?q=River+Tees
What I am trying to find is if there are any aerial shot taken recently after/ as Clemenceau arrived.
Post by: andeedob on April 04, 2009, 11:38:56 AM
Google maps was updated (although prior to the above) recently , showing one of the NW Hutton barges alongside the quay.
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?near=ts25+2bq&q=google&f=p&rl=1&ie=UTF8&ll=54.632866,-1.188562&spn=0.003068,0.010943&t=h&z=17
Post by: JonHare on April 11, 2009, 10:02:45 PM
Anyone who hasn't got a shot of HMS Kellington at Stockton-On-Tees should be very quick as she is due to be removed for scrapping this coming week, by Able UK. I am unsure of how/ where they will scrap her, as I have heard a couple of theories. 1) Her Tops sides took off and Hull towed to the A66 bridge and lifted onto the river bank and scrapped there. 2) She will be removed and transported in sections and lorry/ low loader to TERRC for scrapping.
What ever way we will find out this coming week what happens to her.
Post by: holedrille on April 16, 2009, 10:08:35 AM
This means that they will be operating in the mud around the ships, and cannot bring anything in or out for a long time. Surely it is easier to slice the tops off and gradually work down as they float up.
Have they actually stared any cutting yet?
David
Post by: JonHare on April 17, 2009, 09:50:47 PM
She is due to be towed in by the tug Forth Drummer. Showing on the Tees forecast. http://www.thpal.co.uk/teesport/shippingreports/SR-10-ShippingMovementsNext7Days.asp
Post by: JonHare on April 17, 2009, 10:05:12 PM
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holedrille wrote:
I presume Able are intending to make the entrance watertight and then pump the dock out, making it 'the biggest dry dock in the world' (quote).
This means that they will be operating in the mud around the ships, and cannot bring anything in or out for a long time. Surely it is easier to slice the tops off and gradually work down as they float up.
Have they actually stared any cutting yet?
David
Yes the dock will become watertight by the building of a bund around the entrance of the basin.
The entrance should be reopen by the end of the year to allow the next batch of ships to come in for recycling. It is understood that will the bund is in place construction of the dock (basin) gates will be done, so then it will be just a case of opening and closing the gates everytime.
Dismantling work cannot start untill the dock is closed and dried. The only dismantling work that has been carried out at TERRC is the sections from the North West Hutton platform, which has been done on dry land.
Post by: JonHare on April 21, 2009, 11:25:43 PM
http://www.flickr.com/photos/31848041@N08/3463384485/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/31848041@N08/3463384493/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/31848041@N08/3463384495/
Post by: JonHare on April 27, 2009, 02:34:32 PM
Preparing Viking invasion
http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/Preparing-for-Viking-invasion.5206189.jp
With the arrival of the vessel Viking Vulcan expected to arrive this week.
Also mentioned in the article is the jackets of the North West Hutton due, with 5 barges planned each section of 2,000 tonnes and 120ft high. I guess that will be a sight to see. With work getting underway over the May Bank Holiday.
Post by: JonHare on May 11, 2009, 09:28:54 PM
With this in mind I can see that with no future projects on the horizon, and the administrators will be wanting to make as much money from the assests of the company. I can see Tuxedo Royale making a one way trip to a scrapyard. So for quick money a sale to the scrappies is almost a certainty. And I would most likely say that it would be Able UK taking her the short journey to TERRC for scrapping.
Anybody with any thoughts?
Post by: Guest on May 11, 2009, 10:37:06 PM
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JonHare wrote:
/>Anybody with any thoughts?
Yes, why move her from the TERCC in the first place - as clear as your nose on your face that she was going to join the Tuxedo Princess in the scrapyard - no money for frivolity in this climate of credit crunch!
Regards
Post by: Nathan on May 12, 2009, 04:47:45 PM
I think she was towed out to make room for Clemenceau. Once Tux was out of the way they then moved two of the American ones over to the other side of the basin so Clemenceau could slide right in the middle. Im unsure, but when Tux was first put in the basin, it was just for storage? But I think were all agreed that she is probably past her sea worthy life.
All the best
- Coatham
Post by: JonHare on May 13, 2009, 09:46:46 PM
http://www.british-images.fotopic.net/p58205136.html
http://www.british-images.fotopic.net/p58205147.html
http://www.british-images.fotopic.net/p58205133.html
http://www.british-images.fotopic.net/p58205155.html
Post by: C on May 14, 2009, 11:50:37 AM
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Ellwood wrote:
Quote:
JonHare wrote:
/>Anybody with any thoughts?
Yes, why move her from the TERCC in the first place - as clear as your nose on your face that she was going to join the Tuxedo Princess in the scrapyard - no money for frivolity in this climate of credit crunch!
Regards
I thought the Tux P had gone to Greece....The same place as the Tux R was heading!
Post by: eclaire on May 26, 2009, 03:16:52 PM
claire:-}
Post by: andeedob on May 28, 2009, 09:07:13 AM
Post by: JonHare on June 06, 2009, 11:28:27 PM
http://www.ableuk.com/pressreleases.shtml
14-Apr-09 - Able UK Ltd
ABLE UK BEGINS WORK ON
Post by: JonHare on June 06, 2009, 11:29:34 PM
KELLINGTON GUN JOINS HEUGH BATTERY COLLECTION
An important item of military history is to be added to the gun collection at the Heugh Battery in Hartlepool
Post by: JonHare on June 06, 2009, 11:29:59 PM
Post by: JonHare on June 06, 2009, 11:30:47 PM
ABLE UK PROJECT SET TO DELIVER MASSIVE BOOST FOR SOUTH HUMBER
Plans for what will be one of the biggest port related developments in the country
Post by: JonHare on June 15, 2009, 10:11:12 PM
Massive platform arrives for scrapping
http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/Massive-platform-arrives-for-scrapping.5365689.jp
In the article it says the huge rigger crane at TERRC will be used to offload the barge.
Post by: JonHare on June 20, 2009, 11:16:10 PM
http://www.jhphotos.co.uk/html/june-_aug_2009_3.html
http://www.jhphotos.co.uk/html/june-_aug_2009_4.html
http://www.flickr.com/photos/31848041@N08/3592889695/
Some pictures of the latest barge arriving with parts of the jacket onboard.
http://www.jhphotos.co.uk/html/june-_aug_2009_6.html
http://www.jhphotos.co.uk/html/june-_aug_2009_9.html
http://www.jhphotos.co.uk/html/june-_aug_2009_11.html
http://www.jhphotos.co.uk/html/june-_aug_2009_15.html
With a few others pictures.
http://www.jhphotos.co.uk/html/june-_aug_2009.html
Judging by the bottom width of the jacket section, this would become the top of the next section. I would say that the next section may actually be wider than the barge itself. This was the 7th barge of 10, so the last two sections would be well wider than the barge. Would the barges get bigger towards the final section,
I see that the jack up rig Ensco 72 is down on the forecast for TERRC Basin Basin 1-9 for Lay-By. While driving past this week it looks as though the Basin is fully sealed. Is there a section open still? Or is it a berth on the outside where she will be going.
I see that some more signals have been placed along the railway branch, so I would presume work on the railway sidings for TERRC should start very soon.
Post by: Nathan on June 22, 2009, 11:59:25 AM
- Coatham
Post by: Guest on June 24, 2009, 09:08:35 AM
She is lying off the Tees now - tugs in support are:
Englishman - IMO 9373058
Zeus - IMO 9130729
Multitug 17 - IMO 9481752
Regards
Post by: JonHare on June 25, 2009, 10:47:14 PM
http://www.ableuk.com/news.shtml
Ensco 72 is in for warm stacking.
Here are a couple of shots of her coming in yesterday.
http://www.jhphotos.co.uk/html/june-_aug_2009_26.html
http://www.jhphotos.co.uk/html/june-_aug_2009_28.html
http://www.jhphotos.co.uk/html/june-_aug_2009_30.html
http://www.jhphotos.co.uk/html/june-_aug_2009_32.html
Also I have just read the pdf file of the case (bottom of news page) of the Clemenceau hearing.
Post by: JonHare on July 03, 2009, 05:43:37 PM
http://www.jhphotos.co.uk/html/june-_aug_2009_35.html
An article todays Hartlepool Mail says that the Ensco 72 has arrived to undertake routine maintenance.
The Ensco 101 was towed in this afternoon, as a thunderstorm was fast approaching.
http://www.jhphotos.co.uk/html/june-_aug_2009_42.html
Post by: Mark davies on July 03, 2009, 05:59:44 PM
Post by: JonHare on July 03, 2009, 06:24:30 PM
26-Jun-09 - Able UK Ltd
ENSCO 72 JACK-UP RIG ARRIVES
http://www.ableuk.com/pressreleases.shtml
Post by: JonHare on July 16, 2009, 10:39:28 PM
Able 'to begin recycling by end of summer'
http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/Able-39to-begin-recycling-by.5459987.jp
Post by: eclaire on July 30, 2009, 07:04:50 PM
claire:-}
Post by: JonHare on August 28, 2009, 02:24:31 PM
Post by: Mark davies on October 13, 2009, 12:30:03 PM
She has just completed a charter to Maersk O&G.
Post by: JonHare on October 22, 2009, 08:22:57 PM
Hartlepool Mail
Ghost ship bosses ready to start dismantling work
http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/Ghost-ship-bosses-ready-to.5754213.jp
Post by: JonHare on November 13, 2009, 11:46:07 PM
Post by: JonHare on November 15, 2009, 11:16:27 PM
Ship scrapping has commenced finally at the Able UK TERRC facility. This is the rear end of the Caloosahatchee which is dissapearing.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/31848041@N08/4106561069/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/31848041@N08/4106561063/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/31848041@N08/4106561075/
A shot of the sheer scale of the projects at TERRC can easily be seen in this image of ships and oil rig jackets.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/31848041@N08/4106561081/
Compass Island
http://www.flickr.com/photos/31848041@N08/4106646185/
Canopus & Clemenceau
http://www.flickr.com/photos/31848041@N08/4106646201/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/31848041@N08/4106646175/
It has taken along time getting to this stage where ships are finally able to be scrapped at TERRC. I just hope that operations can run smoothly and swiftly without any more hinderance.
And hope to see some very fine stunning vessels entering TERRC over the years. Can we bring in some of the USN Super Carriers that are due for scrapping over the next couple of years please, would make the Clemenceau look like a fishing vessel in terms of size. :lol:
Post by: eclaire on November 17, 2009, 05:28:42 PM
says the cofferdam is now complete. Did they start cutting up before draining?
claire:-}
Post by: JonHare on November 17, 2009, 07:32:33 PM
Post by: JonHare on November 19, 2009, 08:26:43 PM
A shot from Seal Sands
http://www.flickr.com/photos/31848041@N08/4116969661/
A zoomed in shot of the fronts of the ships.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/31848041@N08/4116969655/
Post by: marryjohn on December 03, 2009, 12:00:18 PM
Post by: Brian Cawkwell on December 03, 2009, 10:19:23 PM
Quote
marryjohn wrote:
In early care and education trends online education has main part because this is a popular and best way for get certifications and degrees without joining institutes.
What are you sniffing?
Post by: Nathan on December 04, 2009, 09:58:22 AM
Post by: JonHare on December 30, 2009, 03:03:03 PM
http://www.nebusiness.co.uk/business-news/latest-business-news/2009/12/29/able-uk-praised-for-work-on-decommissioning-clemenceau-51140-25486988/
At least the French Environmental groups praise Able UK for a good safe job they are doing.
Post by: eclaire on December 30, 2009, 04:29:47 PM
claire:-}
Post by: JonHare on January 01, 2010, 01:56:24 PM
Post by: JonHare on January 10, 2010, 09:29:34 PM
http://www.flickr.com/photos/31848041@N08/4262744733/
I am surprised that pretty much all the structures on the deck have vanished in a matter of days since I last passed the yard.
With the announcement that a number of off-shore wind farms are to be built around the British Waters, I wonder if this will provide more work at the TERRC yard, as it has planning permission to build wind turbines.
A couple of stories from the local papers recently.
Hartlepool Mail
Jobs go at yard but more on way
http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/Jobs-go-at-yard-but.5967983.jp
Able UK praised for work on decommissioning Clemenceau
http://www.nebusiness.co.uk/business-news/latest-business-news/2009/12/29/able-uk-praised-for-work-on-decommissioning-clemenceau-51140-25486988/
(This link has an aerial shot of the TERRC facility from a couple of weeks ago)
Also not connected with ABLE UK/ TERRC is plans to build a purpose built oil rig decomissioning vessel at the Corus site on the Tees.
Allseas new ship "Pieter Schelte". Plans for the ship and base to be built on the Tees. With this specialist ship, if it is based on the Tees could prove to be a good spin off for Able UK's TERRC facility. As it may make it easier for decommissioned rigs to be brought in on this vessel and bought to TERRC in one go. As well as being delivered to its own base.
http://www.nebusiness.co.uk/business-news/latest-business-news/2010/01/07/allseas-tees-plans-move-a-step-closer-51140-25546248/
Post by: andeedob on January 29, 2010, 05:58:50 PM
http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/Taxpayers-pick-up-470000-ghost.6026509.jp
Post by: ChasB46 on February 05, 2010, 11:44:08 AM
Post by: JonHare on March 29, 2010, 06:13:35 PM
The remains of the Compass Island. I think the time taken from when it looked like a ship (bridge/ housing etc) to this image took about a week and a half.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/31848041@N08/4464978313/
There was a small oil based fire in the keel of the Caloosahatchee, which was contained and the fire brigade allowed to let it burn itself out.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/31848041@N08/4464978307/
The veiw from the bridge is starting to get difficult to see the WD's, as the piles of scrap are starting to get large.
GSF Britannia
http://www.flickr.com/photos/31848041@N08/4376284898/
Rigs
http://www.flickr.com/photos/31848041@N08/4376284866/
An alternative view of the Clemenceau from the river Tees.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/31848041@N08/4376284874/
I will be putting a few more pics up this week (hopefully, when I get a bit of time) onto my www.jhphotos.co.uk website.
Post by: JonHare on April 17, 2010, 09:42:39 AM
The Caloosahatchee & Compass Island looks to have been completely scrapped now, as there is no visable sign of them from the road bridge. Also one of the WD barges (the one that was moored next to the quayside) looks to have been scrapped.
The Clemenceau's scrapping is progressing well, a start has been made on the rear of the ship. About half of the back end has been removed either side of the centre line of the carrier. With the internal floors with daylight visable lighting up the internals.
It won't be long before the major demolition externally of the Canisteo will begin, as a fair bit of cutting into sections has already been undertaken.
The Canopus still looks fully intact, wether they are waiting to finish of the Clemenceau before demolition starts on the Canopus.
Whilst looking on the Hartlepool Council website I came across the Planning applications page for Able UK/ TERRC which includes plans, comments, responses etc
http://edrms.hartlepool.gov.uk:80/PAP/SEARCHRESULT.asp?appnumber=H/2007/0543
Link for the latest plans and layout of the yard can be found here:
http://edrms.hartlepool.gov.uk/PAP/showimage.asp?j=H/2007/0543&index=92356
This plan shows the extension of the basin to dig out and expand the old internal dry dock.
I will try to get more shots from the bridge of the progress in the coming couple of weeks when I get the chance.
Post by: JonHare on May 09, 2010, 08:38:27 PM
Post by: JonHare on May 29, 2010, 03:23:20 PM
Latest shot of Clemenceau, she is now a hollow shell, as can be seen from the image. It looks like she is on course for completion in June.
Also the next ship to load scrap has arrived this morning, the A. B. Dublin.
Post by: JonHare on August 15, 2010, 11:14:13 PM
The Canisteo not much remains.
The Clemenceau is the biggest shock, only one starboard side section remains upright, the rest totally dissapeared.
The Canopus is starting to really dissapear. A good proportion of the front of the ship has gone and a good start has been made to the rear.
With the amount of progress that has gone on and the speed of the scrapping. I think that by the end of September there will be none/ or very little of the ships remaining in the basin.
I haven't got any pictures of the ships recently due to big piles of scrap blocking the view of the remains of the ships.
So the next question will be. What will be the next arrivals to face the axe?
Post by: JonHare on August 16, 2010, 07:15:12 PM
A bit of info about Able UK's new piece of machinery with an interesting shot of the Clem.
http://www.hub-4.com/news/2534/able-uk-invests-in-specialist-liebherr-industrial-rehandler
I had a drive past this afternoon and saw that they had moved a bit of scrap. So I was able to get some pics, I will try and get them online a bit later.
Post by: JonHare on August 16, 2010, 10:11:53 PM
Canopus
http://www.flickr.com/photos/31848041@N08/4899387474/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/31848041@N08/4899387444/
Canisteo
http://www.flickr.com/photos/31848041@N08/4899387468/
Last section of Clemenceau
http://www.flickr.com/photos/31848041@N08/4899387456/
Post by: JonHare on January 21, 2011, 10:32:25 PM
Ghost ship work completed
http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/Ghost-ships-work-completed.6696774.jp
The scrap has been dissapearing fast over the couple of months, with numerous ships and trains serving TERRC. So time to look forward and wait for what is next to arrive.
Just hope they get the dock gates built and operational fairly quickly, or if anything would they demolish the bound and bring stuff in and rebuild bound again then build and install the gates during the next round of ship dismantling.
A couple of shots of the scrap trains serving the TERRC.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/31848041@N08/5015328234/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/31848041@N08/5014562705/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/31848041@N08/5014562699/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/31848041@N08/5370715917/
So it looks like that within a couple of months we could be seeing the next ships etc arriving for scrapping. I just hope they will be some interesting arrivals.
Post by: JonHare on November 01, 2011, 07:41:11 PM
Local media have ran stories relating to the Regional Growth Fund winners.
The Hartlepool Mail
http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/business/job-news/multi_million_pound_boost_for_local_firms_1_3924888
The Northern Echo
http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/local/hartlepool/9336109.__93m_for_jobs___but_is_it_enough_/
I like this quote from the Northern Echo story:
Post by: JonHare on February 07, 2014, 12:29:19 AM
Able UK have invested in a Liebherr LHM600SHL mobile crane for the Able Seaton Port facility.
Post by: JonHare on February 07, 2014, 12:42:55 AM
I was only reading last week about the award being given to the Pieter Schelte for removal and transportation of the rigs. And I had a feeling that Able UK had a good chance of getting the contract.