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Title: Unidentified body Isles of Scilly 21 Feb 1979 - Can you help?
Post by: Locate on February 06, 2021, 01:36:21 PM
Good afternoon,

I'm Emma, a volunteer from Locate International. We review unsolved unidentified body and missing persons cases at no cost to families or the police.

Over forty years ago, on the 21st February 1979, a body of a man washed ashore Porth Minick beach on St Mary
Title: Re: Unidentified body Isles of Scilly 21 Feb 1979 - Can you help?
Post by: Yvon Perchoc on February 06, 2021, 02:03:03 PM
Good day Madam,

Many ships casualties are reported by year by Lloyd Register on https://hec.lrfoundation.org.uk/archive-library/casualty-returns

But small fishing vessels, naval vessels and pleasure crafts wreckages are not listed.

Note that the body could be also a man over board, without wreckage.

Good luck for your investigations.
Regards,
Yvon

Title: Re: Unidentified body Isles of Scilly 21 Feb 1979 - Can you help?
Post by: Locate on February 06, 2021, 02:08:02 PM
Thank you very much Yvon.

All the best,

Emma
Title: Re: Unidentified body Isles of Scilly 21 Feb 1979 - Can you help?
Post by: Yvon Perchoc on February 06, 2021, 05:23:56 PM
I checked the French weekly newspaper 'Le Marin' for October, November and December 1978 and January 1979.

Except the wreckages of merchant ships :

On December 13th, the french trawler ALCYON disappeared with all hands (10), in the South of Irish Sea. Infortunately, I cannot find the crew list except the master's name. Bodies were never recovered.


The NIELSE DANIELSEN's cook (the article reports NIELLE, I assume NIELSE), falled overboard 20 nautical milles, North of Brittany, on December 23rd 1978.
According to Lloyd Register 1979-80, the shipowner was Rederiet Otto Danielsen (Denmark).
Dansk Illustreret Skiblist 1984 gives the address : Otto Danielsen, Toldbodgade 29, 1253 KOPENHAVN K.
Perhaps Danish members will be able to give more up-to-date contacts.


Regards,
Yvon
Title: Re: Unidentified body Isles of Scilly 21 Feb 1979 - Can you help?
Post by: Locate on February 07, 2021, 11:54:41 AM
Thanks Yvon - I'll look into those now.

Best wishes

Emma
Title: Re: Unidentified body Isles of Scilly 21 Feb 1979 - Can you help?
Post by: Yvon Perchoc on February 21, 2021, 03:22:02 PM
Hi,

Please find attached the crew list of the trawler ALCYON.
Apparently no link with the name 'Georgio'.

Regards,
Yvon
Title: Re: Unidentified body Isles of Scilly 21 Feb 1979 - Can you help?
Post by: victor radio74 on February 21, 2021, 04:22:49 PM
Hi,this is a very sensitive matter but could be any relation between the inscription Georgio and the patron name Georges?
Title: Re: Unidentified body Isles of Scilly 21 Feb 1979 - Can you help?
Post by: Locate on February 21, 2021, 04:48:36 PM
Thank you both. What is a patron? Apologies I have limited knowledge in this area. I really appreciate your assistance. Best wishes, Emma
Title: Re: Unidentified body Isles of Scilly 21 Feb 1979 - Can you help?
Post by: Yvon Perchoc on February 21, 2021, 04:57:00 PM
Patron = master (for small vessels)

@Victor radio : I don't know the rules about the names on wedding rings and if it is usual to use a nickname. But you are right, every possibility must be explored.

Regards,
Yvon
Title: Re: Unidentified body Isles of Scilly 21 Feb 1979 - Can you help?
Post by: Locate on February 21, 2021, 05:22:04 PM
Thanks both. I've shared this with the team and we'll now conduct some ancestry research into Georges! Thank you. If there are any other shipping incidents of interest please do let me know. Best wishes, Emma
Title: Re: Unidentified body Isles of Scilly 21 Feb 1979 - Can you help?
Post by: Locate on February 21, 2021, 05:48:51 PM
Hi Yvon,

Do you have a link to the article about the NIELSE DANIELSEN's cook?

Thank you so much!

Emma
Title: Re: Unidentified body Isles of Scilly 21 Feb 1979 - Can you help?
Post by: Locate on February 21, 2021, 06:05:51 PM
This is very interesting...

http://www.shipspotting.com/gallery/photo.php?lid=2996899

We know the inscription on the ring was in Greek. It appears that Nielse Danielsen had a connection with Greece. I wonder how we could find the name of the cook who went overboard?

Best wishes

Emma
Title: Re: Unidentified body Isles of Scilly 21 Feb 1979 - Can you help?
Post by: ChasB46 on February 21, 2021, 06:43:51 PM
Red Otto Danielsen still in being. Contact address on web page   https://ottodanielsen.com/
If they did lose a cook I'm sure records or memories would confirm.
Address = Rederiet Otto Danielsen A/S , Strandvejen 102E, 2900 Hellerup, Denmark
Title: Re: Unidentified body Isles of Scilly 21 Feb 1979 - Can you help?
Post by: Locate on February 21, 2021, 10:24:04 PM
Thank you Chas - that
Title: Re: Unidentified body Isles of Scilly 21 Feb 1979 - Can you help?
Post by: Yvon Perchoc on February 21, 2021, 10:27:29 PM
Attached the article from the newspaper 'Le Marin'
Title: Re: Unidentified body Isles of Scilly 21 Feb 1979 - Can you help?
Post by: Locate on February 22, 2021, 08:07:03 AM
Yvon, thank you. The team will now search Danish, British, French online newspaper databases (and others) to try and find any further articles with the name of the cook. Thank you so much!
Title: Re: Unidentified body Isles of Scilly 21 Feb 1979 - Can you help?
Post by: Pilot Frans on February 25, 2021, 11:38:36 AM
Looking on picture:

http://www.shipspotting.com/gallery/photo.php?lid=2173762#

The Nielse Danielsen is Dutch flagged, With port of Register Hoogezand in the north part of the Netherlands.
Danielsen is/was a Danish companpy so I think Nielse Danielsen was on charter.

Title: Re: Unidentified body Isles of Scilly 21 Feb 1979 - Can you help?
Post by: Pilot Frans on February 25, 2021, 11:49:27 AM
Hello Emma,

I found more info on the Nielse Danielsen:

https://www.marhisdata.nl/schip?id=4632

coming to her owner at the time:

https://www.marhisdata.nl/eigenaar&id=5830

Hopes it helps
regards
Frans
Title: Re: Unidentified body Isles of Scilly 21 Feb 1979 - Can you help?
Post by: Locate on February 25, 2021, 11:49:42 AM
Thank you.
Title: Re: Unidentified body Isles of Scilly 21 Feb 1979 - Can you help?
Post by: Pilot Frans on February 25, 2021, 11:55:35 AM
Further the website:

https://www.kustvaartforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=1391&start=50

QUOTE
In de periode 1980-81 ruilde dhr. TA.Belstra de Oost Atlantic Lijn voor Vertom , Rotterdam. Vertom was al vanaf 1974 een reder (Vera T) maar
begon vanaf 1978 ook een grotere rol te spelen als bevrachtingskantoor.
De Leena werd verkocht , de Karin en Margit gingen naar Vertom.Ook in die periode verkocht OAL de Adine , Atlantic Breeze , Atlantic Island , Atlantic Wave , Adine , en de Atlantic. Een behoorlijke opruiming maar er kwam ook weer wat voor terug. Dhr. Otto Danielsen had vanaf 1978 een nieuwe vloot besteld van 6 schepen op de Nederlandse werven , die werden onder Nederlandse vlag in de vaart gebracht , op papier bij Laurens , Westerpark , Wester Peter , allen thuishaven Hoogezand , maar
zoals eerder vermeld kantoorhoudend aan de Rijksweg W-18 Westerbroek.........jawel..inderdaad...het adres van Scheepswerf EJ.Smit.
De werkelijke administratie werd gedaan bij OAL, Rotterdam.
Ook in 1981 werden 2 schepen aan gekocht van de failliete rederij Bont&Dost te Haren , de Fivel en de Munte , deze werden resp.omgedoopt
in Atlantic Coast en de Atlantic River.
UNQUOTE

This telling that the ships were operated by OOST Atlantic Line, Rotterdam.
This company still exists.
Here is there webpage:

https://atlantic-horizon.nl/en/about-us/oost-atlantic-lijn-eng

regards
Frans





Title: Re: Unidentified body Isles of Scilly 21 Feb 1979 - Can you help?
Post by: Locate on March 01, 2021, 08:40:31 AM
Thank you Frans.