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Title: Copyright infringed, stolen, plagiat photos ???
Post by: LPX on January 15, 2021, 04:38:57 PM
Some suspected materials with No true author, no rights described to be listed here time to time.

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NOVOBATAYSK - http://www.shipspotting.com/gallery/photo.php?lid=3248163
https://ok.ru/rybakiprim/album/57881803620405/837021869365

KARL LIBKNEKHT - http://www.shipspotting.com/gallery/photo.php?lid=3248452
https://ok.ru/murmanrybp/album/911241905037/911242245517

YUKON - http://www.shipspotting.com/gallery/photo.php?lid=3248619
https://ok.ru/murmanrybp/album/50865772822669/834331363469

SREDNEURALSK - http://www.shipspotting.com/gallery/photo.php?lid=3247251
https://ok.ru/rybakiprim/album/57881805193269/834381616693

VESTNIK - http://www.shipspotting.com/gallery/photo.php?lid=3248617
https://ok.ru/murmanrybp/album/50865772822669/834331362957

VOGULKA - http://www.shipspotting.com/gallery/photo.php?lid=3248618
https://ok.ru/murmanrybp/album/50865772822669/834331365005

KOMSOMOLSK-NA AMURE - http://www.shipspotting.com/gallery/photo.php?lid=3249149
described as Copyrighted!
https://ok.ru/morskiesud?st.layer.cmd=PopLayerClose
https://fleetphoto.ru/photo/348179/?vid=89398

MGACHI - http://www.shipspotting.com/gallery/photo.php?lid=3248068
https://ok.ru/rybakiprim/album/57923076685877/867248503605

MONGUGAI - http://www.shipspotting.com/gallery/photo.php?lid=3247062
https://ok.ru/rybakiprim/album/57881803620405/834441190453

OKTANT - http://www.shipspotting.com/gallery/photo.php?lid=3247075
https://ok.ru/rybakiprim/album/57881803620405/834386319413

ALEKSEY GENERALOV - http://www.shipspotting.com/gallery/photo.php?lid=3247183
https://ok.ru/rybakiprim/album/880704983093/883722186293






Title: Re: Copyright infringed, stolen, plagiat photos ??? - still on the site
Post by: Dеnis on January 15, 2021, 05:26:44 PM
Are we going to keep discussing it over & over or something that should have been done long ago shall be done now? This site is for photographers to proudly share their photos & for members that own copyright or have legit permission to post here not own photos.
Title: Re: Copyright infringed, stolen, plagiat photos ??? - still on the site
Post by: simonwp on January 15, 2021, 05:47:58 PM
Agreed Denis. We don't need another thread on this.

However, please don't clink on any of the Russian links.........I've just tried one, and got virus warning messages. They may be infected. Perhaps to protect members, this thread should be removed.
Title: Re: Copyright infringed, stolen, plagiat photos ???
Post by: LPX on February 02, 2021, 03:51:16 PM
January 2021 progress...

With no author permission downloaded all photos between January 06, 2021 and February 01, 2021 here
http://www.shipspotting.com/gallery/search.php?&search_title=&search_title_option=&search_imo=&search_pen_no=&search_mmsi=&search_eni=&search_callsign=&search_category_1=&search_cat1childs=&search_uid=40525&search_country=&search_port=&search_subports=&search_flag=&search_homeport=&search_adminstatus=&search_classsociety=&search_builder=&search_buildyear1=&search_owner=&search_manager=&sortkey=p.lid&sortorder=desc&page_limit=12&viewtype=1&mod_page_limit=192

No permission is mentioned at the decription of each photo!
Some kind of maniacal force to post pics of others..........
Title: Re: Copyright infringed, stolen, plagiat photos ???
Post by: simonwp on February 03, 2021, 09:14:52 AM
This is getting silly now, and needs to stop. Lets turn this on it's head.......does 3SX or Denis or anyone else have any evidence that the OP DOES NOT have permission to post any of these photographs? If they do it should be sent privately to the Webmaster. If not, then shut up!!!!

Otherwise we will get to the stage where every photograph is suspect, and everyone will have to produce evidence that they hold the copyright to every photograph that is posted.

Some of the exchanges recently on both the forum, and in photo comments, about both copyright issues, and photograph quality issues. have contributed to me, at least temporarily, stopping posting any photographs. The site is changing from a friendly one where everyone could share their photographs, to an unpleasant one, where everything is disputed and criticised.

Perhaps it's Covid lockdowns, but there is too much nastiness on the site at the moment.
Title: Re: Copyright infringed, stolen, plagiat photos ???
Post by: Bob Scott on February 03, 2021, 12:21:36 PM
And many of the photos in question are of such poor quality that in days gone by they would not have been allowed on the site.It would seem that "anything goes" on this site nowadays. Shame that!
Title: Re: Copyright infringed, stolen, plagiat photos ???
Post by: simonwp on February 03, 2021, 12:57:46 PM
If the poster has permission, and there are no copyright issues, and you have not established that there are, I see no problem. They are probably more interesting than the 389th shot of Emma Maersk, however good that shot is. A few years ago a member obtained permission from a museum in Vancouver to post from their archives on here. The then webmaster was happy with that, and some excellent and interesting photographs were posted. But the hassle that the member go from a few other members, who just wouldn't accept that, caused him to stop.

The issue from the particular member you refer to has been going on for some time, yet it's significant that the Webmaster as not stopped it, perhaps this is a similar situation. Neither does there seem to be wide spread unease from other members.

As regards the quality of the photographs, if they meet the site standards as applied by the Admins, there is no problem. Most seem to be accepted on that basis. Those that don't meet site standards are deleted.
Title: Re: Copyright infringed, stolen, plagiat photos ???
Post by: Adrian Ford on February 03, 2021, 02:41:00 PM
Well said Simonwp
Title: Re: Copyright infringed, stolen, plagiat photos ???
Post by: MO Roy on February 03, 2021, 03:34:47 PM
So far I have refrained from commenting on any of the many topics posted and comments on specific pictures as well.
But hey, why don't we just post pictures that we took with our own camera's.
Isn't that what this site is supposed to be all about.....?
Simon I do think the questions raised by other members are somehow valid, no matter how interesting some old pictures can be.
This site is not a reference / archive site where pictures can be found of every ship ever sailed. Though some people are using this site for that purpose as a matter of fact.
I do, however, think if you inherited some pictures, let's say from your farther or family member, that you should be allowed to post it, else post your own pictures.
Cheers,
Roy
Title: Re: Copyright infringed, stolen, plagiat photos ???
Post by: Bob Scott on February 03, 2021, 04:45:57 PM
Maybe I'm a bit of an oddball but I think I'd rather look at the 387th pic (its better than the 389th) of EMMA MAERSK than some grainy old b/w photo of a Soviet fishing boat (with or without questionable copyright). Just my preference. Don't mind looking at GOOD photos of Soviet trawlers, though. In fact I have photographed a couple myself.
Title: Re: Copyright infringed, stolen, plagiat photos ???
Post by: pieter melissen on February 03, 2021, 06:51:48 PM
Maybe I'm a bit of an oddball but I think I'd rather look at the 387th pic (its better than the 389th) of EMMA MAERSK than some grainy old b/w photo of a Soviet fishing boat (with or without questionable copyright). Just my preference. Don't mind looking at GOOD photos of Soviet trawlers, though. In fact I have photographed a couple myself.

there is currently only one interesting shot of an Emma Maersk on site...

http://www.shipspotting.com/gallery/photo.php?lid=492153
Title: Re: Copyright infringed, stolen, plagiat photos ???
Post by: Bob Scott on February 03, 2021, 07:17:22 PM
Pieter: you are  biased because a) You are not so young and b): you are a tanker man.
Similarly, I would rather look at MAGLEBY MAERSK - not the Triple-E but this one: http://www.shipspotting.com/gallery/photo.php?lid=2339477.
Title: Re: Copyright infringed, stolen, plagiat photos ???
Post by: pieter melissen on February 03, 2021, 07:52:51 PM
Pieter: you are  biased because a) You are not so young and b): you are a tanker man.
Similarly, I would tather look at MAGLEBY MAERSK - not the Triple-E but this one: http://www.shipspotting.com/gallery/photo.php?lid=2339477.

I have added another Emma Maersk, not previosuly shown here.
Title: Re: Copyright infringed, stolen, plagiat photos ???
Post by: teachers on February 03, 2021, 07:57:13 PM
The first photo i posted on site had already been on site for 10 years, stolen from my personal website.

There have been a number of others, and possibly more that i have not yet seen.

I can not prove that everything i post is mine, only i know it is, but how can i prove it?
Title: Re: Copyright infringed, stolen, plagiat photos ???
Post by: LPX on February 06, 2021, 08:02:46 AM
anyone else have any evidence that the OP DOES NOT have permission to post any of these photographs?
Simon, the Poster clearly mention no permission, what more evidences required?

Photo by Chief Mate means NO Permission.
Photo by Seamen means NO permission.
Photo by Natan means NO permission.

Photo by Natan posted with a Permission means a Permission.

If the poster has permission, and there are no copyright issues

Excellent, let's this poster describe as all others do he has a Permission ( by the way this is required by the site rules).

Since he mention it's his problem with FBI, IIA, IP etc. and the site will not be blocked in case of claim.
Title: Re: Copyright infringed, stolen, plagiat photos ???
Post by: simonwp on February 06, 2021, 09:51:34 AM
I suggest you take this up with the Webmaster, the OP is still posting, no-one else seems to be concerned. Perhaps there are things the Webmaster is aware of, and you are not.

All you are talking about are words on a screen.......they mean nothing......anyone can type "with permission". if the OP typed "with permission" would you be happy. You still wouldn't know if they actually had permission.

Another posters frequently posts photographs taken by family members, but they never say if they have permission to post these. Do you want these removing as well??? I wouldn't get too hung up about it.

The only real issues I see are if someone posts another members photographs, or photographs from a commercial source.
Title: Re: Copyright infringed, stolen, plagiat photos ???
Post by: LPX on February 06, 2021, 10:52:15 AM
anyone can type "with permission".
Good, if he cheat - his problem with law!
Otherwise we will get to the stage where every photograph is suspect
Very far from every, no talks about 1, 10 photos, but when uploading 1000, 2000 historical photos which's right is a subject isn't wrong to ask how they concern to the Poster?
Title: Re: Copyright infringed, stolen, plagiat photos ???
Post by: LPX on February 06, 2021, 11:17:12 AM
The only real issues I see are if someone posts another members photographs, or photographs from a commercial source.
Those words make a signal to grab any over internet, museums etc. and download it here, excepting photos of the site Members and Commercial. Sounds strange!
Is it legal?
Title: Re: Copyright infringed, stolen, plagiat photos ???
Post by: simonwp on February 06, 2021, 11:57:05 AM
If you are so worried, discuss it with the Webmaster.
Title: Re: Copyright infringed, stolen, plagiat photos ???
Post by: LPX on February 17, 2021, 10:30:25 PM
Just one more of many many....
http://www.shipspotting.com/gallery/photo.php?lid=3259538

This photo was published 23:49 (Moscow time) here https://fleetphoto.ru/photo/03/51/50/351501.jpg
then stolen, photoshoped by Gena Anfimov and reposted here in 1 hour
EXIF data

Photgrapher (Gotfridas Tapinas) mentioned is a fake.
In fact the photo is from private collection of Mr.Lemachko, Photographer is unknown!

That's how the system is working!
Title: Re: Copyright infringed, stolen, plagiat photos ???
Post by: LPX on February 17, 2021, 10:50:10 PM
just few more, no sense to take a time for next 100
http://www.shipspotting.com/gallery/photo.php?lid=3259676#

This photo was published 10:39 (Moscow time) here https://fleetphoto.ru/photo/351554/?vid=114511
then stolen, photoshoped by Gena Anfimov and reposted here in 3,2 hours
EXIF data

In fact the photo is from private collection of Mr.Lemachko, granted him by Mr. Ralf Gierke
Title: Re: Copyright infringed, stolen, plagiat photos ???
Post by: LPX on February 17, 2021, 11:01:59 PM
WELS
http://www.shipspotting.com/gallery/photo.php?lid=3259674

This photo was published 10:33 (Moscow time) here https://fleetphoto.ru/photo/351555/?vid=114512
then stolen, photoshoped by Gena Anfimov and reposted here in 3,18 hours
EXIF data

As prevoius one, the photo is from a private collection of Mr.Lemachko, granted him by Mr. Ralf Gierke
Title: Re: Copyright infringed, stolen, plagiat photos ???
Post by: LPX on February 17, 2021, 11:16:24 PM
UNITED VANGUARD
http://www.shipspotting.com/gallery/photo.php?lid=3242630#

is a photo from Nakhodka Museum, exponate no. 24594741
http://goskatalog.ru/portal/#/collections?id=24738506

published 10:47 (Moscow time) here https://fleetphoto.ru/photo/346551/?vid=112835
then stolen, photoshoped by Gena Anfimov and reposted here in about 1 hour
EXIF data

Title: Re: Copyright infringed, stolen, plagiat photos ???
Post by: LPX on March 15, 2022, 04:42:22 AM
Image copyright by @  is a new sign visible on each published photo with a new design of the site.
What this means practically ?
Can users still download stolen photos of other Authors as before?
Title: Re: Copyright infringed, stolen, plagiat photos ???
Post by: Owen Foley on March 15, 2022, 12:19:43 PM
Yes ... there's nothing to prevent it.