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Title: Royal Caribbean and Pullmantur disposals
Post by: dirk septer on July 01, 2020, 12:21:58 pm
following the demise of vessel's owner Pullmantur Cruises, Monarch and Sovereign
after having been stripped at Naples, Italy are now reportedly en route to
Turkey to be scrapped. Now stopped and waiting for orders.... What's happening?


Title: Re: Royal Caribbean and Pullmantur disposals
Post by: dirk septer on July 01, 2020, 02:48:22 pm
Rumours abound; according to the latest will all three Pullmantur ships now actually are going back to RCI. Sovereign and Monarch to RCCL and Horizon to Celebrity. The RCCL will do short cruises and the Horizon will fill a small ship niche for Celebrity.


Title: Re: Royal Caribbean and Pullmantur disposals
Post by: Angelgreat on July 03, 2020, 05:13:30 pm
I don't think the Horizon is going back to Celebrity as it's sister ship, Zenith, was given to Peace Boat. Maybe they will give Horizon to Peace Boat in exchange for Ocean Dream. I do hope the Sovereign and Monarch do go back to RCI or gets sold for further cruising. Also, here's a photo of them laid up in Naples Italy June 22, 2020.


Title: Re: Royal Caribbean and Pullmantur disposals
Post by: davidships on July 03, 2020, 05:27:19 pm
SOVEREIGN and MONARCH now both circling  E/NE of Malta
MARELLA DREAM similarly.


Title: Re: Royal Caribbean and Pullmantur disposals
Post by: Angelgreat on July 03, 2020, 05:28:27 pm
It looks like the Sovereign and Monarch may head to the scrap yards along with Marella Cruises' Marella Dream and Marella Celebration.


Title: Re: Royal Caribbean and Pullmantur disposals
Post by: Fatih Takmaklı on July 06, 2020, 10:06:50 am
Hello all,
The official of a scrapyard in Aliaga informed me that The Zenith will come to Aliaga first. I will be the first person to get in and start collecting pieces (no sales, for my collection). I will post pictures when she comes.


Title: Re: Royal Caribbean and Pullmantur disposals
Post by: rd77 on July 06, 2020, 11:41:39 am
Hello all,
The official of a scrapyard in Aliaga informed me that The Zenith will come to Aliaga first. I will be the first person to get in and start collecting pieces (no sales, for my collection). I will post pictures when she comes.

Surprised that The Zenith is also going, as she had just been handed over to PeaceBoat. She is currently off a Greek island called Agios Georgios. I would have expected Horizon to come first. Horizon just arrived at Piraeus this morning from Oman.


Title: Re: Royal Caribbean and Pullmantur disposals
Post by: Angelgreat on July 06, 2020, 03:19:33 pm
The Horizon and Zenith are sister ships. They were both originally built for Celebrity Cruises. Likewise, the Sovereign and Monarch were both originally built for Royal Caribbean. I don't think these vessels should be scrapped as there less than 30 years old and had already received refurbishments a few years ago.


Title: Re: Royal Caribbean and Pullmantur disposals
Post by: rd77 on July 07, 2020, 09:25:52 am
The Horizon and Zenith are sister ships. They were both originally built for Celebrity Cruises. Likewise, the Sovereign and Monarch were both originally built for Royal Caribbean. I don't think these vessels should be scrapped as there less than 30 years old and had already received refurbishments a few years ago.

That is all irrelevant right now. The ships are about 30 years old which means they are past their economic lifetime, they are completely written down and there is simply no market to sustain them, nor will there be (in all likelihood) in a year's time. Besides, laying them up also costs about 1 million USD per month(estimate from Carnival). Whether we like it or not, they are going for the chop.


Title: Re: Royal Caribbean and Pullmantur disposals
Post by: dirk septer on July 08, 2020, 02:05:08 am
Pullmantur Cruises Horizon arrived at Piraeus, Athens to be stripped of any valuable items.

http://www.cruiseharbournews.com/horizonpiraeus.html?fbclid=IwAR2AHididN9xCb_RmGiiQyehDEKXZubzituF67umVb-28T2WQ5pWfEvd5aQ


Title: Re: Royal Caribbean and Pullmantur disposals
Post by: davidships on July 08, 2020, 01:02:26 pm
Strange about THE ZENITH (changed name and rebranded to Peace Boat in March, along with move from Malta to Panama register - and class certificates all updated).
https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/photos/picture/ships/3805021/8918136/shipid:302027 (https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/photos/picture/ships/3805021/8918136/shipid:302027)

But I suppose the Japanese are holding their cards close to their chests. 


Title: Re: Royal Caribbean and Pullmantur disposals
Post by: Angelgreat on July 08, 2020, 05:34:03 pm
Also, with Pullmantur dissolving, what will happen to Grandeur of the Seas? The vessel was going to transfer over in 2021, but with Pullmantur gone, where will she go. It's unknown if Royal Caribbean would want to keep the vessel so if Pullmantur Cruises is going bankrupt, they may sell the ship for scrap.


Title: Re: Royal Caribbean and Pullmantur disposals
Post by: Angelgreat on July 11, 2020, 02:23:45 am
We, shipspotters, must unite our powers & do something to save these beatiful ships from getting scrapped!  Besides, I still haven't spotted neither of them yet coming to my town.

There's some good news, both Horizon and Monarch are for sale! Here ate the links for the vessels, respectively. https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1990/modern-cruise-ship-1800-passengers--stock-no-s2393-2874747/ https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1991/cruise-ship-2-744-passengers--stock-no-s2151-3012402/

Also, The Rhapsody of the Seas is also for sale. https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1997/cruise-ship-2417-passengers-stock-no-s2509-3024096/

Don't see Sovereign for sale, so she may actually been sold to be scrapped.


Title: Re: Royal Caribbean and Pullmantur disposals
Post by: Angelgreat on July 13, 2020, 04:14:53 pm
The Monarch is close to the shipbreakers in Aliaga, Turkey. All remaining crew transfered to Celebrity İnfinity which is heading back to Greece.


Title: Re: Royal Caribbean and Pullmantur disposals
Post by: Angelgreat on July 13, 2020, 07:40:55 pm
Monarch is near Aliaga, Turkey, but her position is facing towards Greece which means she's either heading back to Malta or waiting to be beached.


Title: Re: Royal Caribbean and Pullmantur disposals
Post by: Angelgreat on July 13, 2020, 09:58:14 pm
The Monarch is moving away from Alaga, Turkey. Maybe she won't be scrapped.


Title: Re: Royal Caribbean and Pullmantur disposals
Post by: dirk septer on July 13, 2020, 11:20:00 pm
Monarch Arrives In Aliaga For Scrapping

https://www.cruiseharbournews.com/monarchaliaga.html?fbclid=IwAR2zZeFpLKPJwnkbMLKYbaN868Hl41sKlMsXFPfPcwEcIYbOnooXh4k6Tik


Title: Re: Royal Caribbean and Pullmantur disposals
Post by: Fatih Takmaklı on July 14, 2020, 06:07:06 am
She is in Aliaga. She will beach in this week. I will take pictures hopefully.


Title: Re: Royal Caribbean and Pullmantur disposals
Post by: Angelgreat on July 15, 2020, 02:11:30 am
We need to try to save the vessels. It's our last hope. They hadn't scrapped them yet, so there's time to buy the Monarch. Her sale listing is still up! Let's make a fundraiser.


Title: Re: Royal Caribbean and Pullmantur disposals
Post by: Clive Harvey on July 15, 2020, 09:40:44 am
RCCL is one of the largest, and most successful cruise ship operations in the world. If they, with all of their experience, have come to the conclusion that (particularly in the present climate) these ships are no longer viable how do envisage operating these ships successfully? Assuming that is if you are able to raise sufficient funds to purchase the vessels in the first place.


Title: Re: Royal Caribbean and Pullmantur disposals
Post by: Angelgreat on July 16, 2020, 02:19:26 am
RCCL is one of the largest, and most successful cruise ship operations in the world. If they, with all of their experience, have come to the conclusion that (particularly in the present climate) these ships are no longer viable how do envisage operating these ships successfully? Assuming that is if you are able to raise sufficient funds to purchase the vessels in the first place.

I hadn't thought it through. Maybe turn them into a hotel like Queen Mary and QE2.


Title: Re: Royal Caribbean and Pullmantur disposals
Post by: Emmanuel.L on July 16, 2020, 03:18:51 am
How about turning them into accommodation ships for illegal immigrants anchored offshore? The Italians have got the MOBY ZAZA used thus ,though she is moored in a harbour.
Or even as an accommodation / hospital ships for the Corona cases in countries where the pandemic is rampant and there is a great need for hospital beds.
The Mercy Ships organization make invaluable use of such ships.
regards
Emmanuel.L.(Malta)


Title: Re: Royal Caribbean and Pullmantur disposals
Post by: Angelgreat on July 16, 2020, 12:44:27 pm
Maybe we can at least ask Aliaga for the tip of the bow of Monarch so we can restore it to it's RCCL colors and put it on display like they did with the bow of the France/Norway.


Title: Re: Royal Caribbean and Pullmantur disposals
Post by: jacyw on July 16, 2020, 06:47:28 pm
Selim San Instagram


Title: Re: Royal Caribbean and Pullmantur disposals
Post by: Angelgreat on July 17, 2020, 02:56:34 am
Pullmantur Monarch confirmed to have ran ashore. Scrapping is imminent. Again, let's get the tip of her bow, but also her funnel.


Title: Re: Royal Caribbean and Pullmantur disposals
Post by: Krispen Atkinson on July 17, 2020, 09:44:19 am
Pullmantur Monarch confirmed to have ran ashore.
Just to be clear, as at 9.45 GMT, MONARCH is still anchor in the anchorage to the South West of Aliaga, and has not "ran ashore". Let's keep to reporting facts please.
Krispen


Title: Re: Royal Caribbean and Pullmantur disposals
Post by: Angelgreat on July 19, 2020, 01:22:28 am
Here is another image of Pullmantur Sovereign and Monarch laid up in Naples, Italy in June 2020. The Sovereign-class vessel in the foreground is Sovereign, the one in the background is Monarch. The Norwegian Jade is also visible in the picture in the right.


Title: Re: Royal Caribbean and Pullmantur disposals
Post by: davidships on July 20, 2020, 01:56:04 pm
SOVEREIGN now showing as heading for Aliaga, though currently heading Northward and closing on the drifting CELEBRITY CONSTELLATION, SE of Lesbos.


Title: Re: Royal Caribbean and Pullmantur disposals
Post by: Fatih Takmaklı on July 20, 2020, 03:27:03 pm
http://www.shipspotting.com/gallery/photo.php?lid=3183103
Please see my last picture


Title: Re: Royal Caribbean and Pullmantur disposals
Post by: Angelgreat on July 20, 2020, 03:34:56 pm
I can sadly confirm that the Sovereign's crew is being transferred to the Celebrity Constellation. It's also sad to see the Sovereign and the Celebrity Constellation near Aliaga and poor old Monarch. Royal Caribbean is really going to scrap these once largest vessels in the world. Majesty of the Seas still survives! We should buy the tip of their bows to preserve like the ex-France.


Title: Re: Royal Caribbean and Pullmantur disposals
Post by: newda898 on July 20, 2020, 06:48:24 pm
I can sadly confirm that the Sovereign's crew is being transferred to the Celebrity Constellation. It's also sad to see the Sovereign and the Celebrity Constellation near Aliaga and poor old Monarch. Royal Caribbean is really going to scrap these once largest vessels in the world. Majesty of the Seas still survives! We should buy the tip of their bows to preserve like the ex-France.

Why??? They're old, tired, and no longer fit the current market that demands balconies. There's nothing special about them.


Title: Re: Royal Caribbean and Pullmantur disposals
Post by: SteKrueBe on July 20, 2020, 09:06:59 pm
Hi there!
It is of course not nice to see that a whole bunch of pretty and well-maintained ships will be dismantled. Compared to the ships that are about to be scrapped now, I am much more sorry for Fred Olsens classic beauties "Boudicca" and "Black Watch", which will probably follow soon.
All the best,
Stefan


Title: Re: Royal Caribbean and Pullmantur disposals
Post by: Clive Harvey on July 20, 2020, 09:23:33 pm
I expect that we will be seeing the entire fleet of ships operated by CMV heading off to the breakers too as the company has been declared bankrupt.


Title: Re: Royal Caribbean and Pullmantur disposals
Post by: Angelgreat on July 20, 2020, 09:44:15 pm
I expect that we will be seeing the entire fleet of ships operated by CMV heading off to the breakers too as the company has been declared bankrupt.

This topic is about Pullmantur Cruises, you may want to comment on the link to the CMV topic instead: http://forum.shipspotting.com/index.php/topic,16965.msg90525.html#new


Title: Re: Royal Caribbean and Pullmantur disposals
Post by: Angelgreat on July 21, 2020, 04:05:53 am
Ok, so here is my concept on how we can save and display the tip of the Pullmantur Sovereign's bow and it's similar to how they preserved the bow of the France/Norway. We first buy the bow tip from the scrappers in Aliaga, Turkey. Next, we ship it back to France to restore it back to it's white Royal Caribbean livery. Then, we put it on a stand and put it on display in Paris Yacht Marina, Port de Grenelle, Paris, France exactly next to the bow of the France/Norway. I have attached a concept of the tip of Sovereign's bow and the location on where to put it. The location would also have Sovereign's funnel located next to it and painted back to white, but I didn't made a concept as it would be too obvious.


Title: Re: Royal Caribbean and Pullmantur disposals
Post by: Angelgreat on July 21, 2020, 10:00:31 pm
Look, if we can't save the vessel itself, then we can at least save some samples. The Tip of the Bow is the first thing to be removed in scrapyards in Turkey and India so it's easy to retrieve the tip of the bow to put on display.


Title: Re: Royal Caribbean and Pullmantur disposals
Post by: Fatih Takmaklı on July 22, 2020, 08:27:18 am
Monarch beached in Aliaga :'(


Title: Re: Royal Caribbean and Pullmantur disposals
Post by: newda898 on July 22, 2020, 09:50:06 am
Given the things being suggested in this thread I'm not quite sure how many on this site are actually sane, or maybe they are just trolling??


Title: Re: Royal Caribbean and Pullmantur disposals
Post by: Robbie Cox on July 22, 2020, 10:29:51 am
The Cruise ship Monarch was beached at Aliaga this morning


Title: Re: Royal Caribbean and Pullmantur disposals
Post by: canberra97 on July 22, 2020, 02:43:03 pm
Given the things being suggested in this thread I'm not quite sure how many on this site are actually sane, or maybe they are just trolling??

Considering that your new here with only 6 post's and fairly negative post's at that perhaps it's you who is "just" trolling!

Your not going to make many friends on this site by suggesting that people "maybe are just trolling"!

FYI sane dedicated shipping enthusiasts on this site are not "just trolling". Your a newbie here and it's YOU that seems to be the one that's "just" trolling.

Your credibility factor has not got very far in such a short space of time and if you continue to accuse others of "trolling" it's not going to do anything for your credibility at all on this site!

Perhaps it's best that you don't comment at all 😉


Title: Re: Royal Caribbean and Pullmantur disposals
Post by: Angelgreat on July 22, 2020, 03:15:36 pm
Monarch has beached in Aliaga, waiting for Sovereign to meet the same fate.


Title: Re: Royal Caribbean and Pullmantur disposals
Post by: canberra97 on July 22, 2020, 05:47:48 pm
Monarch has beached in Aliaga, waiting for Sovereign to meet the same fate.

Robbie Cox had already commented on the news of the beaching of the MONARCH at 10.29 two posts above yours, nearly five hours difference!

Very very sad news though, out of all the vessel's so far heading to the scrap merchants the Pullmantur Cruises fleet is without the worst outcome from the Coronavirus pandemic we've yet seen.

Although she is 28 year's old it seems like yesterday when I first visited her shortly after her delivery from Chantiers De l'Atlantique in 1992. The Pullmantur Cruises fleet were always kept immaculate both externally and internally. With Pullmantur Cruises catering to the Brazilian and Spanish markets the Coronavirus pandemic had a major affect on the company and it's a huge blow to the South American and Spanish cruise industry.

With the demise of Pullmantur Spain no longer has it's own cruise company.

The Sovereign class were revolutionary ship's at the time and we're also the biggest cruise ships at the time of their deliveries, they were indeed the first mega cruise ships and have always been extremely popular. If it wasn't for the recent circumstances surrounding the collapse of the cruise industry one would have expected that they would have least seen another five or six years service life remaining.

When I first found out about the news of the MONARCH being beached early this morning I had a cry, it hit me hard, the real reality of what's happening with the cruise industry really sunk in. More so than I realised that my own personal career in the cruise industry after 38 year's may well have also ended. But I'm not looking for a new job, I'm hoping that the cruise industry will return to some form of normality in 2021.


Title: Re: Royal Caribbean and Pullmantur disposals
Post by: Tuomas Romu on July 22, 2020, 07:17:47 pm
https://gcaptain.com/watch-cruise-ship-ms-monarch-arrives-at-turkish-breakers/


Title: Re: Royal Caribbean and Pullmantur disposals
Post by: newda898 on July 23, 2020, 09:15:20 am
I just received an email from the Fairmount: after watching that video of the Monarch's beaching, they said it's not a problem to tow her back on the water with a couple of their 200t bollard pull tugs. A problem is that while they are on their way to Aliaga to resque the Monarch, the [not typed] would be already cutting off her piece by piece. I guess we would need more glue then.

That's ok, I have a rib on standby to tow her back off the beach.


Title: Re: Royal Caribbean and Pullmantur disposals
Post by: newda898 on July 23, 2020, 09:48:25 am
RIB won't do it, but you can use it for inspecting the Monarch while Fairmount's tugs try to tow her off the beach.

Good idea, I'll bring my hacksaw along with the pickup truck. I can saw through her bow and take it away for safe keeping.


Title: Re: Royal Caribbean and Pullmantur disposals
Post by: Krispen Atkinson on July 23, 2020, 10:49:28 am
SOVEREIGN made her final voyage and joined the MONARCH on the beach at Aliaga this morning.

Krispen


Title: Re: Royal Caribbean and Pullmantur disposals
Post by: Fatih Takmaklı on July 23, 2020, 11:32:47 am
Please see the last picture:
http://www.shipspotting.com/gallery/photo.php?lid=3184283


Title: Re: Royal Caribbean and Pullmantur disposals
Post by: Angelgreat on July 23, 2020, 03:10:11 pm
I say we tow the Monarch out of Turkey and back to France to be restored and to sail again. As for Sovereign, we take it's bow and funnel back to France on Monarch where we put those two items on display next to the tip of the bow of France/Norway!


Title: Re: Royal Caribbean and Pullmantur disposals
Post by: Fatih Takmaklı on July 23, 2020, 05:20:35 pm
Denis,
I talked to them many times. This is business. If you want to purchase the ship, pay them double and the ship is free. Then, everyone is happy.


Title: Re: Royal Caribbean and Pullmantur disposals
Post by: Angelgreat on July 23, 2020, 07:36:22 pm
ftakma1,

Will it be possible to ask the Aliaga scrappers to save the tip of the bow of the Sovereign? Please do that.


Title: Re: Royal Caribbean and Pullmantur disposals
Post by: Angelgreat on July 27, 2020, 01:38:32 pm
Pullmantur Horizon arrives in Limassol, Greece. She will be heading to Aliaga, Turkey soon.


Title: Re: Royal Caribbean and Pullmantur disposals
Post by: Fatih Takmaklı on July 27, 2020, 09:18:03 pm
I bought the bow. Do not worry. I will use it in my coffeeshop.
I bought the many items so no worries. I will send you the pictures but please wait. The Carnival ships are coming, I also have to get in those ships.
Sad news: Fred Olsen's cruise ships, Bouddica and BLack Watch are sold to the breakers in Aliaga.


Title: Re: Royal Caribbean and Pullmantur disposals
Post by: Fatih Takmaklı on July 27, 2020, 09:27:52 pm
I had different promises to some of you guys. One by one:
1- I took the pictures of captain master room.
2- I bought the bow of the ship. I bought the tables, chairs, operation manual, a glass guy playing piano figure, all the arts, and many other things! None of them are for sale. They are all for personal and business reasons.
3- I took so many pictures but I cannot establish them right away because I gave a promise to the breakers that I will not publish them in this month. So please wait.
4- I bought so many items but I do not remember all of them. Give me time, I will publish their pictures.
5- The Islamic holy day (three days) is coming up this weekend, so many places are closed. I will not be responding to any emails and posts from Friday to Sunday.
6- To all, sorry, but many cruise ships are going to come to the breakers in Aliaga. At least 6 ships that I know. The breakers believe that there will be at least 12 cruise ships will be broken in 2020. (this is the minimum number)  :'( :'( :'( :'(
Those who call me ftakma1, my name is Fatih. Let you know.


Title: Re: Royal Caribbean and Pullmantur disposals
Post by: Fatih Takmaklı on July 27, 2020, 09:44:59 pm
Monarch was sold for 5.5 million dollars!!!


Title: Re: Royal Caribbean and Pullmantur disposals
Post by: Fatih Takmaklı on July 27, 2020, 09:48:53 pm
For those who cry and mourn for Monarch, please stop for a moment!
Bouddica and Black Watch are coming! Maybe 6 ships of CMV are also in the 'talks' here! I think we start crying and mourning early! The British run ships are more valuable in terms of maritime history such as Astoria, Marco Polo. So for now, please pray for these ladies go to somewhere else but breakers.


Title: Re: Royal Caribbean and Pullmantur disposals
Post by: Angelgreat on July 28, 2020, 04:00:08 pm
FTI Cruises has shut down so we could give the FTI Berlin as well as CMV's Astor to Aliaga in exchange for Monarch. We would have to also pay Aliaga 5.5 million dollars to retrieve the Monarch and tow it back to Europe. They don't start scrapping the vessels until Monday August 3, so we have to act fast before it's too late.


Title: Re: Royal Caribbean and Pullmantur disposals
Post by: newda898 on July 28, 2020, 05:39:47 pm
FTI Cruises has shut down so we could give the FTI Berlin as well as CMV's Astor to Aliaga in exchange for Monarch. We would have to also pay Aliaga 5.5 million dollars to retrieve the Monarch and tow it back to Europe. They don't start scrapping the vessels until Monday August 3, so we have to act fast before it's too late.

Good idea!

I've got three quid I can chuck in the pot. How are you raising the rest? Cake sale?


Title: Re: Royal Caribbean and Pullmantur disposals
Post by: Angelgreat on July 28, 2020, 06:05:32 pm
FTI Cruises has shut down so we could give the FTI Berlin as well as CMV's Astor to Aliaga in exchange for Monarch. We would have to also pay Aliaga 5.5 million dollars to retrieve the Monarch and tow it back to Europe. They don't start scrapping the vessels until Monday August 3, so we have to act fast before it's too late.

Good idea!

I've got three quid I can chuck in the pot. How are you raising the rest? Cake sale?

I don't have that much money at the moment, but I do propose making a gofundme or have people here chip in.


Title: Re: Royal Caribbean and Pullmantur disposals
Post by: Fatih Takmaklı on July 29, 2020, 01:20:06 pm
http://www.shipspotting.com/gallery/photo.php?lid=3187374


Title: Re: Royal Caribbean and Pullmantur disposals
Post by: Fatih Takmaklı on July 29, 2020, 01:54:14 pm
https://www.instagram.com/p/CDOm48YJk07/?igshid=g96zeucbkvco


Title: Re: Royal Caribbean and Pullmantur disposals
Post by: BerlinShipper on July 30, 2020, 03:05:58 pm
Hello,

do you know if since Pullmantur filed for bankruptcy, they are going to do ships sale? Do they still have an active fleet and provide services by the way?


Title: Re: Royal Caribbean and Pullmantur disposals
Post by: Angelgreat on July 30, 2020, 03:13:37 pm
Hello,

do you know if since Pullmantur filed for bankruptcy, they are going to do ships sale? Do they still have an active fleet and provide services by the way?

We been talking about those in this topic post: http://forum.shipspotting.com/index.php/topic,16941.0.html

To summarize it, they sold their ships to the scrap yards in Aliaga, Turkey, all arrived there yesterday, and Pullmantur has ended all operations.

This post will be merged to the topic whose link I provided.


Title: Re: Royal Caribbean and Pullmantur disposals
Post by: Angelgreat on July 30, 2020, 04:09:05 pm
The topics have been merged.


Title: Re: Royal Caribbean and Pullmantur disposals
Post by: BerlinShipper on July 30, 2020, 06:25:54 pm
Hello,

do you know if since Pullmantur filed for bankruptcy, they are going to do ships sale? Do they still have an active fleet and provide services by the way?

We been talking about those in this topic post: http://forum.shipspotting.com/index.php/topic,16941.0.html

To summarize it, they sold their ships to the scrap yards in Aliaga, Turkey, all arrived there yesterday, and Pullmantur has ended all operations.

This post will be merged to the topic whose link I provided.

Ahh Thank you! it is indeed very helpful!! Do you know where I can see all their fleet and ships status?


Title: Re: Royal Caribbean and Pullmantur disposals
Post by: Angelgreat on July 31, 2020, 03:22:12 pm
The Pullmantur Horizon arrived at Piraeus, Greece


Title: Re: Royal Caribbean and Pullmantur disposals
Post by: Angelgreat on July 31, 2020, 03:29:12 pm
Royal Caribbean Group is also selling former Pullmantur vessels Ocean Dream (ex. Tropicale, Costa Tropicale, Pacific Star)(returned to Royal Caribbean in exchange for Zenith) and Empress (currently sailing once again for Royal Caribbean International as Empress of the Seas). Funny thing, Empress of the Seas is listed twice for sale, so I included both of Empress' sale links.

Ocean Dream: https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1981/cruise-ship--1340-1422-passengers-stock-no-s2616-3696639/

Empress of the Seas: https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1990/cruise-ship--1602-2020-passengers-stock-no-s2559-3695102/ https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1990/custom-1840-pax-cruise-ship-3696054/


Title: Re: Royal Caribbean and Pullmantur disposals
Post by: optflv on July 31, 2020, 04:53:21 pm
Empress is currently en route to Marsaxlokk, Malta which was the last port of call for Sovereign and Monarch before they went to Aliaga.  Unfortunately, it seems like she may be joining them shortly.


Title: Re: Royal Caribbean and Pullmantur disposals
Post by: Angelgreat on August 01, 2020, 03:47:27 pm
The Empress of the Seas is as old as the Sovereign and Monarch, but received a heavy refurbishment in 2016 to rejoin the Royal Caribbean fleet. I think she will be sold to continue cruising as scraping the vessel would be a waste of money that was put in her refurbishment.


Title: Re: Royal Caribbean and Pullmantur disposals
Post by: Angelgreat on August 03, 2020, 01:58:44 am
Majesty of the Seas is for sale. If no one buys her, she's likely going to join her sisters in Aliaga. Here's the link:

https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1992/cruise-ship-2354-passenger-3699675/


Title: Re: Royal Caribbean and Pullmantur disposals
Post by: Fatih Takmaklı on August 04, 2020, 04:10:42 pm
My new videos
https://www.instagram.com/p/CDeQxPXpood/?igshid=u4tmqmy69keo
https://www.instagram.com/p/CDeRAJRJkMs/?igshid=o22o5hjjn86s
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCE2hatfolQbwUrP7rv1B3BA


Title: Re: Royal Caribbean and Pullmantur disposals
Post by: Angelgreat on August 04, 2020, 10:20:05 pm
Interesting, it has the exact same videos on YouTube and Instragram.


Title: Re: Royal Caribbean and Pullmantur disposals
Post by: Angelgreat on August 05, 2020, 06:15:15 pm
The tip of the bow of Sovereign has been cut. Scrapping has been for her. Monarch and Fantasy still look intact.

https://www.cruisehive.com/part-of-bow-already-cut-off-from-the-former-sovereign-of-the-seas/41029


Title: Re: Royal Caribbean and Pullmantur disposals
Post by: Fatih Takmaklı on August 09, 2020, 01:15:28 pm
New pictures and video:
https://www.instagram.com/p/CDq09tVpN8x/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link


Title: Re: Royal Caribbean and Pullmantur disposals
Post by: Angelgreat on August 11, 2020, 03:43:50 am
Royal Caribbean to sell more ships.

https://www.cruiseindustrynews.com/cruise-news/23354-royal-caribbean-group-evaluating-ship-sales.html


Title: Re: Royal Caribbean and Pullmantur disposals
Post by: Angelgreat on August 11, 2020, 01:05:40 pm
There is also a gap between Monarch and Sovereign. It could most likely be for Horizon, who has yet to enter the scrapyard.


Title: Re: Royal Caribbean and Pullmantur disposals
Post by: Fatih Takmaklı on August 11, 2020, 03:58:46 pm
My new video:
https://youtu.be/1_aORXaoCrk


Title: Re: Royal Caribbean and Pullmantur disposals
Post by: Angelgreat on August 11, 2020, 04:05:43 pm
Oh No, now the entire face of Sovereign is gone! The Monarch, Fantasy, and Inspiration haven't started scrapping yet. Maybe there's still time to save them.


Title: Re: Royal Caribbean and Pullmantur disposals
Post by: Angelgreat on August 15, 2020, 02:09:37 am
So today, I notice that the online sailing postings for both Empress of the Seas and Majesty of the Seas on YachtWorld both have a red Sale Pending message on the pages. That means that whoever is buying them is negotiating with the ship sellers and Royal Caribbean. Let's hope that a cruise line is going to save them because if the buyer is the Aliaga scrappers, than the Sovereign-class will go extinct.

Empress of the Seas: https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1990/cruise-ship--1602-2020-passengers-stock-no-s2559-3695102/

Majesty of the Seas: https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1992/cruise-ship-2354-passenger-stock-no-s2149-3699675/


Title: Re: Royal Caribbean and Pullmantur disposals
Post by: Angelgreat on August 16, 2020, 01:23:03 am
If we can't save the vessels from further use, I propose that we buy both Empress of the Seas and Majesty of the Seas and exchange the Monarch for Empress of the Seas and tow her out of Aliaga while leaving Sovereign to her fate. This would mean Empress would be scrapped, but Monarch and Majesty would be ok. Then, we tow and scuttle them to a area that would be deep enough for other ships to pass through but not too deep so divers can access the sister wrecks. Then, they could survive being tourist diving destinations and artificial reefs. Plus, if people demand these vessels be restored, we can raise them and restore them. This should be how the vessels should end their sailing services.


Title: Re: Royal Caribbean and Pullmantur disposals
Post by: victor radio74 on August 16, 2020, 08:52:55 am
Given the things being suggested in this thread I'm not quite sure how many on this site are actually sane, or maybe they are just trolling??
Best jolly regads


Title: Re: Royal Caribbean and Pullmantur disposals
Post by: Angelgreat on August 17, 2020, 04:49:09 am
So today, I notice that the online sailing postings for both Empress of the Seas and Majesty of the Seas on YachtWorld both have a red Sale Pending message on the pages. That means that whoever is buying them is negotiating with the ship sellers and Royal Caribbean. Let's hope that a cruise line is going to save them because if the buyer is the Aliaga scrappers, than the Sovereign-class will go extinct.

Empress of the Seas: https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1990/cruise-ship--1602-2020-passengers-stock-no-s2559-3695102/

Majesty of the Seas: https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1992/cruise-ship-2354-passenger-stock-no-s2149-3699675/

Now, there is signs that the vessels may head to the scrapyard (possible even to Aliaga where their sisters Sovereign and Monarch are) did to the vessels still having the Sale Pending sign online and due to how they both have a destination to Malta which was Sovereign and Monarch's last destination before Aliaga. Now Royal Caribbean has denied the rummors, but they have done this in the past. Even rivals like Carnival and Norwegian have done the same. They're 30 years old and could be retired any day.


Title: Re: Royal Caribbean and Pullmantur disposals
Post by: Heinu Schütte on August 17, 2020, 06:01:48 pm
If we can't save the vessels from further use, I propose that we buy both Empress of the Seas and Majesty of the Seas and exchange the Monarch for Empress of the Seas and tow her out of Aliaga while leaving Sovereign to her fate. This would mean Empress would be scrapped, but Monarch and Majesty would be ok. Then, we tow and scuttle them to a area that would be deep enough for other ships to pass through but not too deep so divers can access the sister wrecks. Then, they could survive being tourist diving destinations and artificial reefs. Plus, if people demand these vessels be restored, we can raise them and restore them. This should be how the vessels should end their sailing services.

You keep proposing all these weird and wonderful ideas. Do you have any idea of just how much USD 1 million is? Now consider that you need several multiples of that to buy a ship. Not to mention the expense of keeping a ship in operation, seaworthy and wages for the crew. All that when other major cruise lines are fighting to stay afloat and having ships idle.

As much as we all hate seeing a ship on the beach, that is the way it is. Let's face it the lock downs have brought economic hardships to all countries and luxury expenses like cruises are the first thing people cut on (assuming the feel safe to go on a cruise). So it is very likely that we will still see more ships on the beach, more cruise lines fail. And worst of all, more people without a job and families without an income. Let's try to keep that in perspective.


Title: Re: Royal Caribbean and Pullmantur disposals
Post by: Tuomas Romu on August 18, 2020, 07:34:25 pm
Removing excess tonnage from the market also benefits shipyards when the industry eventually recovers and there will again be demand for new cruise ships. Let's just hope the yards will survive until then...


Title: Re: Royal Caribbean and Pullmantur disposals
Post by: Angelgreat on August 19, 2020, 03:08:35 pm
So today, I notice that the online sailing postings for both Empress of the Seas and Majesty of the Seas on YachtWorld both have a red Sale Pending message on the pages. That means that whoever is buying them is negotiating with the ship sellers and Royal Caribbean. Let's hope that a cruise line is going to save them because if the buyer is the Aliaga scrappers, than the Sovereign-class will go extinct.

Empress of the Seas: https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1990/cruise-ship--1602-2020-passengers-stock-no-s2559-3695102/

Majesty of the Seas: https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1992/cruise-ship-2354-passenger-stock-no-s2149-3699675/

Now, there is signs that the vessels may head to the scrapyard (possible even to Aliaga where their sisters Sovereign and Monarch are) did to the vessels still having the Sale Pending sign online and due to how they both have a destination to Malta which was Sovereign and Monarch's last destination before Aliaga. Now Royal Caribbean has denied the rummors, but they have done this in the past. Even rivals like Carnival and Norwegian have done the same. They're 30 years old and could be retired any day.

The vessels have been delisted online and have been sold. Now we patiently wait.


Title: Re: Royal Caribbean and Pullmantur disposals
Post by: Angelgreat on August 19, 2020, 07:27:50 pm
Ftakma1 just recently posted a video on Instagram. Scrapping of Monarch has begun. She also said in Turkish that more vessels will arrive. She didn't mention which vessels but to me, Its likely Empress of the Seas and Majesty of the Seas, but we just have to wait and see.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CEENcYEJdQa/?igshid=1s017u0qj4ee1


Title: Re: Royal Caribbean and Pullmantur disposals
Post by: Angelgreat on August 23, 2020, 09:59:08 pm
Another day, another video from Aliaga.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CEPVRKBJ7KF/?igshid=1d2k7mcgdh8n8


Title: Re: Royal Caribbean and Pullmantur disposals
Post by: DoverT on August 24, 2020, 05:42:18 am
Hi,

Having been anchored at various points around the South coast of the UK, Majesty of the Seas left Dover with AIS showing destination as Valletta. Moving closer to the beach?

Rgds
NT


Title: Re: Royal Caribbean and Pullmantur disposals
Post by: Angelgreat on August 24, 2020, 01:56:46 pm
Hi,

Having been anchored at various points around the South coast of the UK, Majesty of the Seas left Dover with AIS showing destination as Valletta. Moving closer to the beach?

Rgds
NT

Majesty of the Seas will head to Valetta, Malta to join Empress of the Seas. They're likely going to join Majesty's sister ships Sovereign and Monarch in Aliaga, Turkey after they unload all of their items.


Title: Re: Royal Caribbean and Pullmantur disposals
Post by: Angelgreat on August 30, 2020, 09:14:28 pm
Majesty of the Seas is heading to Valetta, Malta to join Empress of the Seas and unload all of their items. They're likely going to join Majesty's sister ships and former Pullmantur vessels Sovereign and Monarch in Aliaga, Turkey.


Title: Re: Royal Caribbean and Pullmantur disposals
Post by: Angelgreat on September 01, 2020, 10:05:14 pm
Grandeur of the Seas is going to remain with Royal Caribbean International after April 2021. RCI has confirmed that she will not be scrapped.

https://www.royalcaribbeanblog.com/2020/08/26/royal-caribbean-will-keep-grandeur-of-the-seas-the-fleet


Title: Re: Royal Caribbean and Pullmantur disposals
Post by: Angelgreat on September 03, 2020, 01:51:55 pm
Empress of the Seas and Majesty of the Seas have arrived to Souda, Greece. They will both sail to Aliaga soon.


Title: Re: Royal Caribbean and Pullmantur disposals
Post by: Angelgreat on September 07, 2020, 04:16:35 pm
The vessels are still laid up in Souda, Greece to disembark their interior furnishings. Once all of their interior furnishings have been removed, they will sail to Aliaga.


Title: Re: Royal Caribbean and Pullmantur disposals
Post by: Krispen Atkinson on September 07, 2020, 05:11:04 pm
The vessels are still laid up in Souda, Greece to disembark their interior furnishings. Once all of their interior furnishings have been removed, they will sail to Aliaga.
Angelgreat, this is at least fourth time you have made this statement in this forum. Can you please link to a genuine/official source which has advised that this pair are going to Aliaga, or is this statement an assumption based on the movements of the other ships (so far Monarch and Sovereign).


Title: Re: Royal Caribbean and Pullmantur disposals
Post by: Fatih Takmaklı on September 18, 2020, 01:08:39 pm
Well Zenith is not going to Peace Boat as I said earlier.

Hello all,
The official of a scrapyard in Aliaga informed me that The Zenith will come to Aliaga first. I will be the first person to get in and start collecting pieces (no sales, for my collection). I will post pictures when she comes.

Surprised that The Zenith is also going, as she had just been handed over to PeaceBoat. She is currently off a Greek island called Agios Georgios. I would have expected Horizon to come first. Horizon just arrived at Piraeus this morning from Oman.


Title: Re: Royal Caribbean and Pullmantur disposals
Post by: Angelgreat on September 18, 2020, 01:36:19 pm
Well Zenith is not going to Peace Boat as I said earlier.

Hello all,
The official of a scrapyard in Aliaga informed me that The Zenith will come to Aliaga first. I will be the first person to get in and start collecting pieces (no sales, for my collection). I will post pictures when she comes.

Surprised that The Zenith is also going, as she had just been handed over to PeaceBoat. She is currently off a Greek island called Agios Georgios. I would have expected Horizon to come first. Horizon just arrived at Piraeus this morning from Oman.

Yes, thats because the charter of the Zenith to Peace Boat was cancelled due to Pullmantur Cruises going bankrupt. Since Ocean Dream was also chartered from Pullmantur Cruises, Peace Boat will have to return both vessels to Royal Caribbean. Don't worry, Peace Boat will charter Princess Cruises Sea Princess.


Title: Re: Royal Caribbean and Pullmantur disposals
Post by: Angelgreat on September 18, 2020, 04:00:57 pm
The Zenith has been returned to Royal Caribbean. She is presently at Lavrion, so not very far from Aliaga. She will sail there with her sister ship Horizon. Horizon still laid up in Pireaus.


Title: Re: Royal Caribbean and Pullmantur disposals
Post by: Krispen Atkinson on September 18, 2020, 08:19:43 pm
The Zenith has been returned to Royal Caribbean. She is presently at Lavrion, so not very far from Aliaga. She will sail there with her sister ship Horizon. Horizon still laid up in Pireaus.
I am sorry, but this simply is not correct.

She was sold by RCL, being handed over in January 2020 to Zenith Cruise Inc, a subsidiary of Japan Grace Co. (Peace Boat), with Maritime Holdings Group Inc. as technical managers. She was renamed "THE ZENITH" under the Panamanian flag in March, as seen here: http://www.shipspotting.com/gallery/photo.php?lid=3198452

Ship is classed by DNV GL, who confirm these details, see: https://vesselregister.dnvgl.com/vesselregister/vesseldetails.html?vesselid=G107402



Title: Re: Royal Caribbean and Pullmantur disposals
Post by: Angelgreat on September 18, 2020, 08:25:17 pm
The Zenith has been returned to Royal Caribbean. She is presently at Lavrion, so not very far from Aliaga. She will sail there with her sister ship Horizon. Horizon still laid up in Pireaus.
I am sorry, but this simply is not correct.

She was sold by RCL, being handed over in January 2020 to Zenith Cruise Inc, a subsidiary of Japan Grace Co. (Peace Boat), with Maritime Holdings Group Inc. as technical managers. She was renamed "THE ZENITH" under the Panamanian flag in March, as seen here: http://www.shipspotting.com/gallery/photo.php?lid=3198452

Ship is classed by DNV GL, who confirm these details, see: https://vesselregister.dnvgl.com/vesselregister/vesseldetails.html?vesselid=G107402



Well, the Ocean Dream had been chartered to Peace Boat from Pullmantur Cruises so Royal Caribbean technically still own the vessel.


Title: Re: Royal Caribbean and Pullmantur disposals
Post by: canberra97 on September 19, 2020, 04:49:47 pm
The OCEAN DREAM is not owned by Royal Caribbean Cruise Line.

The OCEAN DREAM was sold to Pullmantur Cruises in April 2008. She was previously operated by P&O Cruises Australia as their PACIFIC STAR.
 
The OCEAN DREAM was sold by P&O Australia to the Japanese Peace Boat on the 21 January 2012 with a delivery in the April 2012.

The OCEAN DREAM transferred to the Panamanian flag and is registered to Management Holdings Group, Panama.

Peace Boat is understood to be chartering the SUN PRINCESS from Princess Cruises, not the SEA PRINCESS as you have previously stated.

The charter of the SUN PRINCESS will allow for the disposal of the OCEAN DREAM which was Carnival Cruises first purpose built cruise ship when she was completed in 1981.

The SUN PRINCESS will be renamed the PACIFIC WORLD and is due to enter service with Peace Boat in Spring 2021.

The PACIFIC WORLD will replace the both the OCEAN DREAM and ZENITH.


The ZENITH was sold by Pullmantur Cruises in July 2019 with a delivery set for early 2020. Due to the timing of her delivery and the onset of the Covid-19 pandemic I can't confirm whether the ZENITH actually entered service with Peace Boat. The ZENITH was sold by Pullmantur Cruises to Peace Boat under Management Holdings Group, Panama.
 


Title: Re: Royal Caribbean and Pullmantur disposals
Post by: Angelgreat on September 25, 2020, 01:46:47 pm
The Sovereign's face is gone. Her decks are being removed. They didn't do much on Monarch, so maybe we can still save her. Here's the video link.

https://youtu.be/Zz76Y19hps8


Title: Re: Royal Caribbean and Pullmantur disposals
Post by: smithy166 on September 26, 2020, 12:46:25 pm
Interesting the same virus that caused their early demise is also prolonging it - There's apparently an oxygen shortage at a number of yards due to COVID which is slowing down demolition work.


Title: Re: Royal Caribbean and Pullmantur disposals
Post by: rd77 on September 26, 2020, 02:03:05 pm
Thanks Canberra97 and Krispen for bringing some facts and common sense to this thread. Badly needed. The recent scrappings of cruise ships have brought out a whole bunch of new "ship enthusiasts" who all don't seem to have a single clue about how the cruise business, shipowning/management and ship scrapping businesses work.

No ships are going to be saved, certainly not once they are on the beach. Please save up your pennies and make a pilgrimage to the SS ROTTERDAM, which was (luckily) saved at the expense of EUR 240 million of the Dutch taxpayers' money. That amount alone should tell anyone why all these ideas of saving early 90s cruise ships with no balconies, small cabins and little to no historic appeal will not work.


Title: Re: Royal Caribbean and Pullmantur disposals
Post by: Nick Smith on September 28, 2020, 02:36:12 am
This will be on Channel 7 tonight here in Australia. I will post the rest when it has been on.
https://twitter.com/7NewsBrisbane/status/1310406373713145857


Title: Re: Royal Caribbean and Pullmantur disposals
Post by: rd77 on September 28, 2020, 07:05:51 am
Hey Nick, nice find indeed! Do keep us posted.

Best,
Ralph


Title: Re: Royal Caribbean and Pullmantur disposals
Post by: Nick Smith on September 28, 2020, 09:21:38 am
Here is the link to the Video from Channel 7 tonight here in Australia.
https://twitter.com/7NewsBrisbane/status/1310507431751872517


Title: Re: Royal Caribbean and Pullmantur disposals
Post by: Angelgreat on September 28, 2020, 04:49:46 pm
Here is the link to the Video from Channel 7 tonight here in Australia.
https://twitter.com/7NewsBrisbane/status/1310507431751872517

Now I'm worried that Empress and Majesty will join their sisters in Aliaga.


Title: Re: Royal Caribbean and Pullmantur disposals
Post by: Angelgreat on October 05, 2020, 01:55:21 pm
The Pullmantur Sovereign and the Pullmantur Monarch alongside the Carnival Fantasy, Carnival Imagination, and Carnival Inspiration have been featured by Reuters and South China Morning Post. They interviewed the chairman of the Aliaga Scrapyard and he said that three more vessels will arrive in a few weeks. I fear the three vessels he mentioned includes the Empress of the Seas and Majesty of the Seas as well as the Carnival Fascination. Here is the link to the videos:

https://youtu.be/-T0I4eCrzjw

https://youtu.be/PymG1jV_xZk


Title: Re: Royal Caribbean and Pullmantur disposals
Post by: Angelgreat on October 07, 2020, 06:28:56 pm
https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/cruise-ship-demolition-photos-aliaga-turkey/index.html


Title: Re: Royal Caribbean and Pullmantur disposals
Post by: Angelgreat on October 17, 2020, 09:49:22 pm
Another update in Aliaga, Turkey. https://www.instagram.com/p/CGamrDZJ277/?igshid=5idoueacr6uw


Title: Re: Royal Caribbean and Pullmantur disposals
Post by: Angelgreat on October 19, 2020, 06:58:18 pm
Here's a update in Aliaga. https://www.instagram.com/p/CGiNRfbJ312/?igshid=caxvx2qnzsf0