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Title: Carnival ship sales
Post by: ChasB46 on June 19, 2020, 09:05:17 am
Carnival has announced it is to sell off six ships. Each month is costing the company £520 million in port dues.Says it still has £6 billion "in the bank" and has recently raised £5 billion from selling bonds.


Title: Re: CARNIVAL to sell six ships
Post by: Fatih Takmaklı on June 22, 2020, 07:30:34 am
Costa Victoria was sold. 5 ships might go to scrapyard. Thomson Celebration also was sold the scrapyard in Alang. We will see and be shock when we see many cruise ships go to the scrapyards.


Title: Re: CARNIVAL to sell six ships
Post by: Angelgreat on July 08, 2020, 05:39:27 pm
Carnival already sold the Costa Victoria for scrap and they recently announced that the P&O Oceana has been sold. I have also seen some Fantasy class and HAL ships for sale online so I have made a document showing which vessels that were for sale. Now Carnival already removed the CCL vessel listings from the web, but the HAL vessel listings are still there.


Title: Re: CARNIVAL to sell six ships
Post by: Angelgreat on July 08, 2020, 05:40:42 pm
Forgot to mention that the Pacific Explorer is also for sale.


Title: Re: CARNIVAL to sell six ships
Post by: rd77 on July 09, 2020, 06:52:49 am
Forgot to mention that the Pacific Explorer is also for sale.

Many of these ships are always for sale, or for many years anyway. Normally, this is done to test the waters and get an idea of the real market valuation of the ships. In the current climate, it could be more serious of course.


Title: Re: Forget six ships, CARNIVAL NOW WANTS TO SELL 7 MORE SHIPS! 13 ships in total!
Post by: Tuomas Romu on July 11, 2020, 02:09:45 am
While I agree that this is interesting news, could we consolidate this cruise ship sales and scrapping speculation under a single topic? Currently there are four thread about this on the front page alone:

  • http://forum.shipspotting.com/index.php/topic,16934.msg90410.html
  • http://forum.shipspotting.com/index.php/topic,16941.msg90413.html
  • http://forum.shipspotting.com/index.php/topic,16945.msg90420.html
  • http://forum.shipspotting.com/index.php/topic,16953.msg90424.html (this thread)


Title: Re: Forget six ships, CARNIVAL NOW WANTS TO SELL 7 MORE SHIPS! 13 ships in total!
Post by: Angelgreat on July 11, 2020, 02:11:18 am
We need to keep cruise lines separate.


Title: Re: Carnival to sell 13 ships
Post by: Angelgreat on July 11, 2020, 03:01:22 pm
Carnival is now going to sell seven more ships, to the total sold would now be 13. (Yes I removed a post reply due to a post merger.) https://www.cruiseindustrynews.com/cruise-news/23218-carnival-corporation-to-sell-13-cruise-ships.html


Title: Re: Carnival to sell 13 ships
Post by: Angelgreat on July 11, 2020, 03:26:20 pm
Now, Carnival already sold the Costa Victoria and the P&O Oceana so thats 2 out of 13, but we can figure out some of the remaining 11 unknown vessels that Carnival will sell based on listings and other situations of ships that we do know the names of. Carnival did placed the CCL vessels Fantasy, Ecstasy, Inspiration, Paradise, and Sunrise for sale as well as HAL's Maasdam, Veendam, and Volendam, and P&O Australia's Pacific Explorer. So that's 9 vessels already listed for sale.

Combining those, that's 11 vessels that may or will leave Carnival Coorporation and Plc. fleet. But wait, there's 2 more missing? I know that's 11 out of 13, but thank about it. P&O Australis's Pacific Dawn and Pacific Aria as well as Costa Cruises' Costa Atlantica and Costa Mediterranea were already sold prior to the pandemic, so they don't count. But that brings up a interesting issue, the fleet of P&O Australia is either for sale or already sold.

With the pandemic and P&O Cruises Australia selling the Pacific Dawn and Pacific Aria to CMV while recently putting the Pacific Explorer for sale means that Carnival is ready to discontinue the P&O Australia brand and remove the vessels. In fact, Princess Cruises were going to transfer the Golden Princess and the Star Princess to P&O Australia. But if Carnival were to shut down P&O Australia, it wouldn't make sense to transfer them to a dead brand. So I think the Golden Princess and the Star Princess are the remaining 2 vessels that Carnival will sell.


Title: Re: Carnival to sell 13 ships
Post by: Angelgreat on July 11, 2020, 03:32:22 pm
To summarize, Carnival Corporation Plc. sold or is selling the Costa Victoria, P&O Oceana, Carnival Fantasy, Carnival Ecstasy, Carnival Inspiration, Carnival Paradise, Carnival Sunrise, Maasdam, Veendam, Volendam, Pacific Explorer, Golden Princess, and Star Princess. That's 13 vessels that Carnival will sale in order to maintain money during this pandemic. Some may head to the shipbreakers, so we need to help save the vessels during this pandemic as they are some of the popular vessels to sail on.


Title: Re: Carnival ship sales
Post by: optflv on July 12, 2020, 01:37:49 pm
Carnival Fantasy is in Curacao, showing a destination of Izmir, Turkey.  The march begins.


Title: Re: Carnival ship sales
Post by: Clive Harvey on July 12, 2020, 02:02:40 pm
This will be like the 1970s after the oil crisis when there was a whole procession of famous, well-loved ships heading off to the breakers, in those days it was Taiwan. Back then there were a number of ships that were not even 20 years old that were heading for scrap. So this is really nothing new, at least not for those of us that have been around for a while.


Title: Re: Carnival ship sales
Post by: Angelgreat on July 12, 2020, 06:57:49 pm
This will be like the 1970s after the oil crisis when there was a whole procession of famous, well-loved ships heading off to the breakers, in those days it was Taiwan. Back then there were a number of ships that were not even 20 years old that were heading for scrap. So this is really nothing new, at least not for those of us that have been around for a while.

The 1970's saw the loss of some vessels like the Homeric and the Niewu Amsterdam. Back then, it would have been ok, but now it's despicable to think about. Even the 80's and 90's saw vessels head to scrap. In the 1990's, Premier Cruise Line offered to buy HAL's Rotterdam and P&O's Canberra as they were old classics and were being replaced by newer cruise ships, but P&O refused to sell Canberra to Premier Cruises Lines despite them having the highest bid and instead sold her to scrappers in Gadani, Pakistan since they had the second highest bid. Holland America Line agreed to sell Rotterdam to Premier in part due to the Save the SS Rotterdam Campaign and were going to turn her into the Big Red Boat IV, but changed their mind following public outcry and Premier's 1997 reorganization and instead renamed her Rembrandt. She is now In Rotterdam with her original name.

There will be vessels that will be cherished, but with this pandemic and the protests, we can hope that a cruise line will step up and acquire the vessels.


Title: Re: Carnival ship sales
Post by: Clive Harvey on July 12, 2020, 10:15:32 pm
I am left utterly amazed by your obvious lack of any real knowledge of ocean liner history. Your dismissive comment regarding the Homeric and the Nieuw Amsterdam is simply breathtaking. Yes, by the early 1970s those two ships were quite old and whilst their voyages to the breakers was perhaps to be expected (especially the Homeric because she was fire damaged). However, what you obviously are totally unaware of is the fact that a vast number of ships that had been built in the late 1940s or early mid 1950s or even the 1960s were sent off to be scrapped in the early 1970s, ships that were barely 20 years old and some not even that old. For example; Iberia, Northern Star, Giulio Cesare, Oronsay, Orcades, Orsova,  Ruahine, Vera Cruz, Santa Maria, Reina del Mar, Ocean Monarch, Nevasa, Chitral, Himalaya, Chusan, S.A. Oranje, Angola, Mocambique, Imperio, Patria, Accra, President Cleveland. Check them out and understand that what we are about to see is nothing more than what has gone before.


Title: Re: Carnival ship sales
Post by: Angelgreat on July 13, 2020, 12:33:40 am
I am left utterly amazed by your obvious lack of any real knowledge of ocean liner history. Your dismissive comment regarding the Homeric and the Nieuw Amsterdam is simply breathtaking. Yes, by the early 1970s those two ships were quite old and whilst their voyages to the breakers was perhaps to be expected (especially the Homeric because she was fire damaged). However, what you obviously are totally unaware of is the fact that a vast number of ships that had been built in the late 1940s or early mid 1950s or even the 1960s were sent off to be scrapped in the early 1970s, ships that were barely 20 years old and some not even that old. For example; Iberia, Northern Star, Giulio Cesare, Oronsay, Orcades, Orsova,  Ruahine, Vera Cruz, Santa Maria, Reina del Mar, Ocean Monarch, Nevasa, Chitral, Himalaya, Chusan, S.A. Oranje, Angola, Mocambique, Imperio, Patria, Accra, President Cleveland. Check them out and understand that what we are about to see is nothing more than what has gone before.

Boy, why you got to judge me!? I didn't put more vessels cause do you really want to see a long list? I just put examples of some of them, yet you think it's unacceptable! Sure, not all of us were around back then, but please don't judge people next time. Keeps things civil, especially during the pandemic.


Title: Re: Carnival ship sales
Post by: Tony Martin on July 13, 2020, 08:54:13 am
Received  promotional emails today advertising cruises for Pacific Explorer, Volendam and Maasdam 2021 and 2022. I hope the previous posts on these ships demise is factual and not speculation.  Don’t believe cruise companies need these negative comments until they confirm. FYI P&O Australia are still taking bookings on three ships until 2022.


Title: Re: Carnival ship sales
Post by: Phil English on July 13, 2020, 03:07:22 pm
Only those ships confirmed sold by Carnival are factual. Everything else is speculation.


Title: Re: Carnival ship sales
Post by: dirk septer on July 16, 2020, 02:24:11 am
Carnival Corporation Plc. also sold or is selling the Holland America Line vessels Amsterdam and Rotterdam: (to Fred Olsen as Bolette and Borealis):   https://cruiseharbournews.com/borealisbolette.html?fbclid=IwAR2FCnCv_eeGTZzPZQoVBd18acfOnC9Fp9pP_z52NkOC70Osi6yBtTkFkzg


Title: Re: Carnival ship sales
Post by: Angelgreat on July 16, 2020, 03:18:11 am
Carnival Corporation Plc. also sold or is selling the Holland America Line vessels Amsterdam and Rotterdam: (to Fred Olsen as Bolette and Borealis):   https://cruiseharbournews.com/borealisbolette.html?fbclid=IwAR2FCnCv_eeGTZzPZQoVBd18acfOnC9Fp9pP_z52NkOC70Osi6yBtTkFkzg

https://www.cruiseindustrynews.com/cruise-news/23246-four-holland-america-line-ships-sold.html https://www.cruiseindustrynews.com/cruise-news/23248-fred-olsen-buys-amsterdam-and-rotterdam.html

Confirmed that Amsterdam and Rotterdam (the cruise ships, not the cities) were sold to Fred. Olsen Cruise Lines. Also it confirms that Maasdam and Veendam were sold to a new cruise line. The sales confirms my ship list. It's weird that Fred Olsen will rename the sixth Rotterdam to Borealis and here are my two reasons:
1. Borealis reminds me of Half Life 2 and Portal 2
2. It reminds us of when the fifth Rotterdam was renamed Remembrant when she was sold to Premier Cruise Line in 1997 (thankfully they didn't turn her into the Big Red Boat IV like they originally planned to).

Also, Fred Olsen said it plans to retire two of it's oldest vessels to accommodate the future vessels. This means the 1972-built Black Watch and the 1973-built Boudicca (which are twin vessels) will be retired and likely scrapped like poor old Pullmantur's Sovereign and Monarch.


Title: Re: Carnival ship sales
Post by: Angelgreat on July 16, 2020, 11:23:07 am
Costa neoRomantica sold to Celestyal Cruises. https://www.cruiseindustrynews.com/cruise-news/23249-celestyal-purchases-costa-neoromantica.html


Title: Re: Carnival ship sales
Post by: OceanCraft on July 20, 2020, 05:54:38 pm
Interesting to note, according to Vessel Finder, that both CARNIVAL FANTASY (IMO 8700773) and CARNIVAL INSPIRATION (IMO 9087489) are undertaking Transatlantic crossings from the Panama Canal and each with a destination of Izmir, Turkey.  Most probably these two are for Aliaga for scrap, but we have no information to confirm this. 


Title: Re: Carnival ship sales
Post by: Angelgreat on July 21, 2020, 10:03:06 pm
CMV had gone bankrupt so the transfer of P&O Australia's Pacific Dawn and Pacific Aria have been cancelled.


Title: Re: Carnival ship sales
Post by: canberra97 on July 22, 2020, 02:59:50 pm
Carnival Corporation Plc. also sold or is selling the Holland America Line vessels Amsterdam and Rotterdam: (to Fred Olsen as Bolette and Borealis):   https://cruiseharbournews.com/borealisbolette.html?fbclid=IwAR2FCnCv_eeGTZzPZQoVBd18acfOnC9Fp9pP_z52NkOC70Osi6yBtTkFkzg

https://www.cruiseindustrynews.com/cruise-news/23246-four-holland-america-line-ships-sold.html https://www.cruiseindustrynews.com/cruise-news/23248-fred-olsen-buys-amsterdam-and-rotterdam.html

Confirmed that Amsterdam and Rotterdam (the cruise ships, not the cities) were sold to Fred. Olsen Cruise Lines. Also it confirms that Maasdam and Veendam were sold to a new cruise line. The sales confirms my ship list. It's weird that Fred Olsen will rename the sixth Rotterdam to Borealis and here are my two reasons:
1. Borealis reminds me of Half Life 2 and Portal 2
2. It reminds us of when the fifth Rotterdam was renamed Remembrant when she was sold to Premier Cruise Line in 1997 (thankfully they didn't turn her into the Big Red Boat IV like they originally planned to).

Also, Fred Olsen said it plans to retire two of it's oldest vessels to accommodate the future vessels. This means the 1972-built Black Watch and the 1973-built Boudicca (which are twin vessels) will be retired and likely scrapped like poor old Pullmantur's Sovereign and Monarch.

Premier Cruises renamed the ROTTERDAM the REMBRANDT NOT the REMEMBRANT. Named of course after the famous Dutch painter and printmaker who was born in Leiden in the Netherlands on the 15 July 1606. But I'm sure that you knew that you had spelt it incorrectly!


Title: Re: Carnival ship sales
Post by: Angelgreat on July 22, 2020, 03:17:53 pm
Carnival Corporation Plc. also sold or is selling the Holland America Line vessels Amsterdam and Rotterdam: (to Fred Olsen as Bolette and Borealis):   https://cruiseharbournews.com/borealisbolette.html?fbclid=IwAR2FCnCv_eeGTZzPZQoVBd18acfOnC9Fp9pP_z52NkOC70Osi6yBtTkFkzg

https://www.cruiseindustrynews.com/cruise-news/23246-four-holland-america-line-ships-sold.html https://www.cruiseindustrynews.com/cruise-news/23248-fred-olsen-buys-amsterdam-and-rotterdam.html

Confirmed that Amsterdam and Rotterdam (the cruise ships, not the cities) were sold to Fred. Olsen Cruise Lines. Also it confirms that Maasdam and Veendam were sold to a new cruise line. The sales confirms my ship list. It's weird that Fred Olsen will rename the sixth Rotterdam to Borealis and here are my two reasons:
1. Borealis reminds me of Half Life 2 and Portal 2
2. It reminds us of when the fifth Rotterdam was renamed Remembrant when she was sold to Premier Cruise Line in 1997 (thankfully they didn't turn her into the Big Red Boat IV like they originally planned to).

Also, Fred Olsen said it plans to retire two of it's oldest vessels to accommodate the future vessels. This means the 1972-built Black Watch and the 1973-built Boudicca (which are twin vessels) will be retired and likely scrapped like poor old Pullmantur's Sovereign and Monarch.

Premier Cruises renamed the ROTTERDAM the REMBRANDT NOT the REMEMBRANT. Named of course after the famous Dutch painter and printmaker who was born in Leiden in the Netherlands on the 15 July 1606. But I'm sure that you knew that you had spelt it incorrectly!

Thanks for pointing out the typo captain obvious!


Title: Re: Carnival ship sales
Post by: OceanCraft on July 23, 2020, 02:36:57 pm
Update: CARNIVAL FANTASY IMO 8700773 in now in the Mediterranean and the destination shown on VesselFinder.com has changed to Aliaga with an arrival date of 28th July 2020 at 0600.


Title: Re: Carnival ship sales
Post by: Angelgreat on July 23, 2020, 03:13:32 pm
Update: CARNIVAL FANTASY IMO 8700773 in now in the Mediterranean and the destination shown on VesselFinder.com has changed to Aliaga with an arrival date of 28th July 2020 at 0600.

If they dock her and Inspiration next to each other and next to Pullmantur's Sovereign and Monarch, then we got a huge problem.


Title: Re: Carnival ship sales
Post by: Angelgreat on July 23, 2020, 03:28:09 pm
Today, Carnival confirmed that they did sell the Carnival Fantasy and Carnival Inspiration. A buyer was not named by Carnival, but it's already obvious they were sold for scrap. Carnival also announced that the Carnival Fascination and Carnival Imagination will move to a long term lay-up status, with no specific timeline identified for a return to operation. This means Carnival could also sell these vessels for scrap at any time. It also means Carnival is ready to retire the Fantasy-class vessels over time.

https://www.cruiseindustrynews.com/cruise-news/23274-carnival-sells-two-ships-provides-further-fleet-update.html


Title: Re: Carnival ship sales
Post by: 3SX on July 26, 2020, 08:01:35 pm
Today, Carnival confirmed
It was quite late confirmation i.e. in about 2 weeks since the vessels sailed to Turkey.


Title: Re: Carnival ship sales
Post by: Angelgreat on July 27, 2020, 01:41:16 pm
The vessels are still sailing to Aliaga, Turkey. Should arrive by at least two days.


Title: Re: Carnival ship sales
Post by: Fatih Takmaklı on July 29, 2020, 01:20:32 pm
http://www.shipspotting.com/gallery/photo.php?lid=3187374


Title: Re: Carnival ship sales
Post by: Fatih Takmaklı on July 29, 2020, 01:53:22 pm
My videos
https://www.instagram.com/p/CDOm48YJk07/?igshid=g96zeucbkvco


Title: Re: Carnival ship sales
Post by: Angelgreat on July 29, 2020, 10:31:58 pm
Now we wait for Inspiration to arrive.


Title: Re: Carnival ship sales
Post by: Angelgreat on July 30, 2020, 03:07:03 am
I do fear that if more cruise lines shut down due to the pandemic, Golden Princess and Star Princess will be next to sail for the breakers.


Title: Re: Carnival ship sales
Post by: Angelgreat on July 30, 2020, 03:10:24 pm
Well, Carnival announced that they will sell two more ships. The total of ships Carnival will sail is now 15. They hadn't announced the identity of the two vessels, but it's likely the Carnival Fascination and Carnival Imagination  as they recently moved to a long term lay-up with no plan to return sailing with Carnival around the same time Carnival made the two xtra ship sail announcement.

https://cruiseradio.net/carnival-corp-sells-two-more-cruise-ships/

https://cruisefever.net/carnival-selling-more-cruise-ships/


Title: Re: Carnival ship sales
Post by: Angelgreat on July 31, 2020, 01:20:38 am
I have some good news! Today, the Nieuw Ryandam was renamed the Rotterdam, so she will be the seventh vessel to bear the Rotterdam name in Holland America Line's fleet after the Rembrandt (Rotterdam  V) and Borealis (Rotterdam VI)! Here is a link to the announcement.

https://www.cruiseindustrynews.com/cruise-news/23306-holland-america-renames-new-ship-new-delivery-date.html


Title: Re: Carnival ship sales
Post by: Angelgreat on July 31, 2020, 03:31:37 pm
The former Carnival ships Ocean Dream (ex. Tropicale/Costa Tropicale/Pacific Dream) and Magellan (ex. Holiday/Grand Holiday) are for sale.

Ocean Dream: https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1981/cruise-ship--1340-1422-passengers-stock-no-s2616-3696639/

Magellan: https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1985/cruise-ship-1-452-passengers-stock-no-s2168-2739071/


Title: Re: Carnival ship sales
Post by: Tuomas Romu on August 05, 2020, 07:11:52 pm
Here's a video of Inspiration's beaching:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Do6rswWX218

Unfortunately (in addition to turning the camera sideways) they cut off just before the destruction derby began. Photos taken after the beaching show Inspiration wedged between the two ships with the Sovereign listing to starboard.

https://www.cruisehive.com/carnival-inspiration-beached-for-scrapping-in-turkey/41042


Title: Re: Carnival ship sales
Post by: Angelgreat on August 05, 2020, 07:15:51 pm
It's ironic that they beached the Inspiration on the same day the bow of Sovereign was cut off.


Title: Re: Carnival ship sales
Post by: Fatih Takmaklı on August 09, 2020, 01:15:08 pm
New pictures and video:
https://www.instagram.com/p/CDq09tVpN8x/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link


Title: Re: Carnival ship sales
Post by: Fatih Takmaklı on August 11, 2020, 03:59:15 pm
My new video
https://youtu.be/1_aORXaoCrk


Title: Re: Carnival ship sales
Post by: Angelgreat on August 15, 2020, 02:15:23 am
The last two remaining Rotterdam class vessels to still sale for Holland America Line are for sale.

Volendam: https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1999/cruise-ship--1-432-1-718-passengers-stock-no-s2203-3683905/

Zaandam: https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/2000/cruise-ship--1432-passengers-stock-no-s2547-3699676/

The Rotterdam and Amsterdam were already sold to Fred. Olsen Cruise Line.


Title: Re: Carnival ship sales
Post by: rene2805 on August 15, 2020, 09:19:05 am
VEENDAM  9102992  Dutch just renamed  AEGEAN MAJESTY   Bermuda


Title: Re: Carnival ship sales
Post by: Angelgreat on August 15, 2020, 01:52:09 pm
With the renaming of Veendam to Aegean Majesty, It makes it likely that the undisclosed buyer for her and Maasdam is Blue World Cruises as the vessel on their website is a Statendam class vessel and because the cruise line is attempting to buy their sister ship Pacific Aria (ex-Ryandam) from P&O Cruises Australia. It's unknown if Blue World Cruises is going to buy the Vasco Da Gama (ex-Statendam), but if they do buy her and Pacific Aria and turn out to be the Undisclosed Buyer of Maasdam and Agean Majesty, then all four sister ships would sail together for the first time since 2014.


Title: Re: Carnival ship sales
Post by: Angelgreat on August 19, 2020, 03:31:07 pm
Pacific Dawn and Pacific Aria are for sale. With the transfer to CVM cancelled, Carnival finally decided to put the vessels for sale.

Pacific Dawn: https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1991/cruise-ship--1596-1915-passengers-stock-no-s2618-3704949/

Pacific Aria: https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1993/cruise-ship-1258-1605-passengers--stock-no-s2043-3012360/


Title: Re: Carnival ship sales
Post by: Angelgreat on August 20, 2020, 10:07:28 pm
Oh no, the news are covering how the Magellan (ex. Holiday) is still laid up after CMV's bankruptcy.
https://cruiseradio.net/former-carnival-cruise-ship-awaits-fate/amp/
She's for sale online, but if no one buys her, she's going to join her younger and bigger sisters in the scrap yards. We have to try to get Bahamas Paradise Cruise Line to buy her as her sister ship Grand Celebration is currently sailing for them. Here's the link to her online listing.

https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1985/cruise-ship-1-452-passengers-stock-no-s2168-2739071/


Title: Re: Carnival ship sales
Post by: newda898 on August 22, 2020, 05:50:47 pm
Oh no, the news are covering how the Magellan (ex. Holiday) is still laid up after CMV's bankruptcy.
https://cruiseradio.net/former-carnival-cruise-ship-awaits-fate/amp/
She's for sale online, but if no one buys her, she's going to join her younger and bigger sisters in the scrap yards. We have to try to get Bahamas Paradise Cruise Line to buy her as her sister ship Grand Celebration is currently sailing for them. Here's the link to her online listing.

https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1985/cruise-ship-1-452-passengers-stock-no-s2168-2739071/

Yes, fully agree. We must try to persuade them!


Title: Re: Carnival ship sales
Post by: Angelgreat on August 22, 2020, 05:52:48 pm
Oh no, the news are covering how the Magellan (ex. Holiday) is still laid up after CMV's bankruptcy.
https://cruiseradio.net/former-carnival-cruise-ship-awaits-fate/amp/
She's for sale online, but if no one buys her, she's going to join her younger and bigger sisters in the scrap yards. We have to try to get Bahamas Paradise Cruise Line to buy her as her sister ship Grand Celebration is currently sailing for them. Here's the link to her online listing.

https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1985/cruise-ship-1-452-passengers-stock-no-s2168-2739071/

Yes, fully agree. We must try to persuade them!

Agreed


Title: Re: Carnival ship sales
Post by: Angelgreat on August 22, 2020, 05:58:43 pm
Oh no, the news are covering how the Magellan (ex. Holiday) is still laid up after CMV's bankruptcy.
https://cruiseradio.net/former-carnival-cruise-ship-awaits-fate/amp/
She's for sale online, but if no one buys her, she's going to join her younger and bigger sisters in the scrap yards. We have to try to get Bahamas Paradise Cruise Line to buy her as her sister ship Grand Celebration is currently sailing for them. Here's the link to her online listing.

https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1985/cruise-ship-1-452-passengers-stock-no-s2168-2739071/

The listing now has a red TO BE SOLD AT AUCTION message. They are going to auction the ship off along with the rest of the CMV fleet. We need to help save the ship.


Title: Re: Carnival ship sales
Post by: optflv on August 25, 2020, 02:58:08 pm
Looks like Carnival Imagination is now showing Aliaga as her destination when she leaves Curacao.  I know there's not a ton of love for the old Fantasy-class ships, but I was on her second voyage as a kid and remember it fondly.

Guessing Fascination will be following along shortly.


Title: Re: Carnival ship sales
Post by: Angelgreat on August 25, 2020, 04:20:24 pm
Looks like Carnival Imagination is now showing Aliaga as her destination when she leaves Curacao.  I know there's not a ton of love for the old Fantasy-class ships, but I was on her second voyage as a kid and remember it fondly.

Guessing Fascination will be following along shortly.

Yep, I knew Carnival would sell them for scrap, but I didn't expect that to happen one month AFTER they sold the Fantasy and Inspiration to Aliaga. I suspect Ecstacy and Sensation would be next followed by Elation and Paradise. We may see the Fantasy class be no more by October/November which would make the Carnival Sunshine the oldest vessel to still sail for Carnival Cruise Line. Ironically, this would make the older Tropicalle class and Holiday class vessels outlive the Fantasy class vessels despite being older and smaller that them.


Title: Re: Carnival ship sales
Post by: Fatih Takmaklı on August 26, 2020, 11:03:37 am
New picture from the back
https://www.instagram.com/p/CET-rNSpOjC/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link
I think at the end of 2021, the Fantasy class, all will be scrapped!


Title: Re: Carnival ship sales
Post by: Angelgreat on August 26, 2020, 02:09:45 pm
New picture from the back
https://www.instagram.com/p/CET-rNSpOjC/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link
I think at the end of 2021, the Fantasy class, all will be scrapped!

If that happens, than the older Tropicale and the two remaining Holiday class vessels will outlive the Fantasy class vessels.


Title: Re: Carnival ship sales
Post by: rene2805 on August 27, 2020, 10:42:33 am
MAASDAM   8919257   Dutch  renamed   AEGEAN MYTH  Bermuda


Title: Re: Carnival ship sales
Post by: Angelgreat on August 27, 2020, 09:50:31 pm
Carnival Inspiration has been confirmed to have been sold as scrap to Aliaga.

https://www.tradewindsnews.com/cruise-and-ferry/another-carnival-workhorse-heads-for-the-scrapheap/2-1-863931


Title: Re: Carnival ship sales
Post by: Angelgreat on August 30, 2020, 09:15:34 pm
Carnival Imagination is sailing to Aliaga. Carnival Fascination is in Cadiz, Spain waiting for further instructions.


Title: Re: Carnival ship sales
Post by: Angelgreat on September 01, 2020, 03:17:51 am
Costa neoRomantica has been renamed Celestyal Experience.


Title: Re: Carnival ship sales
Post by: Angelgreat on September 04, 2020, 05:23:49 pm
The Borealis (ex. Rotterdam) has arrived at Rosyth, Scotland to be handed over to Fred Olsen.

https://www.cruiseindustrynews.com/cruise-news/23464-borealis-joins-fred-olsen-fleet-in-rosyth.html


Title: Re: Carnival ship sales
Post by: Angelgreat on September 06, 2020, 02:32:36 pm
The Carnival Imagination is about to pass through the Strait of Gibraltar. She is still sailing to Aliaga. Let's see if anyone takes photos or videos of her during her final voyage.


Title: Re: Carnival ship sales
Post by: Angelgreat on September 06, 2020, 02:37:48 pm
Oops, forgot to attach a image. Here is the image for the post above.


Title: Re: Carnival ship sales
Post by: Angelgreat on September 07, 2020, 04:20:38 pm
Carnival Imagination has passed through the Straight of Gibraltar for the last time. She will arrive in Aliaga by the end of the week.


Title: Re: Carnival ship sales
Post by: Angelgreat on September 13, 2020, 04:56:48 pm
Carnival Imagination is close to Aliaga. She should land by tomorrow. Fatih Takmaklı will record her beaching.


Title: Re: Carnival ship sales
Post by: Angelgreat on September 14, 2020, 04:07:33 am
Let's hope Bahamas Paradise Cruise Line buys the Magellan (ex. Holiday) on October 19.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/former-carnival-cruise-ship-auction.amp


Title: Re: Carnival ship sales
Post by: Angelgreat on September 15, 2020, 12:49:26 pm
Carnival is going to sell 3 more vessels. The total vessels that carnival will sell is now 18. I suspect the vessels they're now going to sell are the Fantasy class and if that's true, the older Tropicale, Holiday, and Celebration will outlive the Fantasy class vessels.

https://www.cruiseindustrynews.com/cruise-news/23505-carnival-to-further-accelerate-ship-exits-18-vessels-to-leave.html


Title: Re: Carnival ship sales
Post by: Angelgreat on September 15, 2020, 04:39:25 pm
Carnival Imagination has arrived at Aliaga.


Title: Re: Carnival ship sales
Post by: optflv on September 16, 2020, 01:24:26 pm
It would appear she's already on the beach.  If we play "count the funnels" in this very recent video, it looks like she is alongside on the far side of the Fantasy and still running at the time of the video.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CFMtySApI19/?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet (https://www.instagram.com/p/CFMtySApI19/?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet)


Title: Re: Carnival ship sales
Post by: Angelgreat on September 16, 2020, 03:35:38 pm
Carnival has confirmed that the Carnival Imagination has been sold for scrap. They also confirmed that the Carnival Fascination will also be sold for scrap in Aliaga. They claimed that they will keep the remaining Fantasy-class vessels for service, but I doubt that due to carnival constantly increasing the number of vessels to be sold from 6 to 13 to 15 to 18! I bet that they will sell the remaining Fantasy-class vessels to Aliaga as they always seem to get rid of the older vessels.

https://www.cruiseindustrynews.com/cruise-news/23513-carnival-cruise-line-confirms-ship-exits-other-fleet-news.html


Title: Sun Princess and Sea Princess are sold
Post by: Clive Harvey on September 18, 2020, 11:26:24 am
I understand that the two Princess Cruises ships, Sun Princess and Sea Princess have been sold. Sun Princess is to become the 'new' Peace Boat ship and they will operate just her. There is no indication to whom Sea Princess has been sold.


Title: Re: Sun Princess and Sea Princess are sold
Post by: Angelgreat on September 18, 2020, 01:33:04 pm
I understand that the two Princess Cruises ships, Sun Princess and Sea Princess have been sold. Sun Princess is to become the 'new' Peace Boat ship and they will operate just her. There is no indication to whom Sea Princess has been sold.

I'm surprised that Peace Boat is chartering the Sun Princess, but it does make sense. The organization has chartered the Ocean Dream (ex. Tropicale) from Royal Caribbean's Pullmantur Cruises for 8 years. Earlier this year, they returned her to Pullmantur in exchange for chartering Pullmantur Zenith, but since Pullmantur shut down, the charter is now void so Peace Boat has to return the Zenith to Royal Caribbean. It's obvious that they need a new vessel immediately so that's why they chartered the Sun Princess.

As for Sea Princess, It's still unknown who bought her so we have to wait and see. I suspect the buyer is Seajets because they had also bought her sister ship Oceana and renamed her Queen of the Oceans. Now that none of Sun-class will be sailing for Princess Cruises anymore, this will make the Grand-class the oldest vessels in the Princess Cruises fleet.


Title: Re: Sun Princess and Sea Princess are sold
Post by: Clive Harvey on September 18, 2020, 02:43:24 pm
My informant tells me that Peace Boat has bought Sun Princess. Princess Cruises has informed passengers booked on both Sun Princess and Sea Princess that the ships have been sold.
Peace Boat had bought Zenith last year - not chartered her. She is presently at Lavrion, so not very far from Aliaga. If Peace Boat sells her it will be at a considerable loss. However, they have little choice as they do not want to operate more than one ship.


Title: Re: Carnival ship sales
Post by: Angelgreat on September 25, 2020, 01:49:51 pm
I'm late, but here's a video of Imagination's arrival to Aliaga. They removed most of the bow and the top decks of Fantasy. The Inspiration still looks intact. Here is the video link.

https://youtu.be/qq-e6UmHNQU


Title: Re: Carnival ship sales
Post by: Angelgreat on September 28, 2020, 09:43:45 pm
P&O Cruises Australia has sold the Pacific Dawn again. Due to CMV going bankrupt, the Pacific Dawn has been sold again, this time to a undisclosed buyer. Let's hope it's not the Aliaga shipbreakers, we really don't need to see another Carnival ship hit the beach. Here is a article link.

https://www.cruisehive.com/another-carnival-corp-ship-is-being-sold-off/42173


Title: Re: Carnival ship sales
Post by: Geir Vinnes on October 02, 2020, 08:05:30 am
CARNIVAL FASCINATION is now on the move but her AIS destination has still not been changed from Cadiz Anch.


Title: Re: Carnival ship sales
Post by: Angelgreat on October 02, 2020, 06:18:34 pm
CARNIVAL FASCINATION is now on the move but her AIS destination has still not been changed from Cadiz Anch.

She might be heading to Aliaga where her sisters are being scrapped there.


Title: Re: Carnival ship sales
Post by: Angelgreat on October 05, 2020, 01:54:00 pm
The Carnival Fantasy, Carnival Imagination, and Carnival Inspiration as well as Pullmantur's Sovereign and Monarch have been featured by Reuters and South China Morning Post. They interviewed the chairman of the Aliaga Scrapyard and he said that three more vessels will arrive in a few weeks. I fear the three vessels he mentioned includes the Carnival Fascination as well as Royal Caribbean's Empress of the Seas and Majesty of the Seas. Here is the link to the videos:

https://youtu.be/-T0I4eCrzjw

https://youtu.be/PymG1jV_xZk


Title: Re: Carnival ship sales
Post by: Phil English on October 05, 2020, 03:41:07 pm
The next three vessels are Horizon, Carnival Fascination and Mare (ex Marella Celebration).


Title: Re: Carnival ship sales
Post by: Angelgreat on October 07, 2020, 06:29:13 pm
https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/cruise-ship-demolition-photos-aliaga-turkey/index.html


Title: Re: Carnival ship sales
Post by: Robbie on October 08, 2020, 03:40:56 am
What I think is more interesting in the above link is the Sine Maersk being scrapped next to these old cruise liners. would be good to have more shots of that than of these boring people movers


Title: Re: Carnival ship sales
Post by: Angelgreat on October 10, 2020, 02:31:53 am
Two pieces of news today. The Pacific Dawn of P&O Cruises Australia has been sold to become a hotel ship off the coast of Panama named the Satoshi. That is nice to know that she will be saved, especially as the planned transfer to CMV was cancelled due to CMV going bankrupt. Here is a link:
https://www.maritime-executive.com/article/former-p-o-cruise-ship-slated-to-become-floating-community-off-panama

In other news, Jalesh Cruises, the operators of former P&O Cruises Australia vessel Pacific Jewel which is now known as Karnika, have suspended operations due to the pandemic. While it's worrisome as they did buy the vessel a year ago, I hope they can survive the pandemic. Here is a link for that as well:
https://maritime-executive.com/article/indian-cruise-line-suspends-operations-appeals-for-crew-welfare


Title: Re: Carnival ship sales
Post by: Clive Harvey on October 14, 2020, 04:52:12 pm
The Carnival Corporation has sold P&O Australia's Pacific Aria (ex Ryndam) to Greek shipowner Marios Iliopoulos, best known for his ferry company Seajets.


Title: Re: Carnival ship sales
Post by: Angelgreat on October 15, 2020, 02:57:25 pm
The Carnival Corporation has sold P&O Australia's Pacific Aria (ex Ryndam) to Greek shipowner Marios Iliopoulos, best known for his ferry company Seajets.

Carnival has confirmed the sale. This leaves the Pacific Explorer as the remaining P&O Cruises Australia vessel in the fleet since the transfer of the Golden Princess/Pacific Adventure has been delayed to the pandemic. Here is the link to the article.

https://www.cruiseindustrynews.com/cruise-news/23689-pacific-aria-sold.html

Honestly, I think it's best if Carnival dissolves P&O Cruises Australia, cancel the transfers of the Golden Princess and Star Princess, and transfer the Pacific Explorer back to Princess Cruises. After all, having a cruise line only operate only one vessel during the pandemic is bound to fail.


Title: Re: Carnival ship sales
Post by: Heinu Schütte on October 15, 2020, 05:04:35 pm
Honestly, I think it's best if Carnival dissolves P&O Cruises Australia, cancel the transfers of the Golden Princess and Star Princess, and transfer the Pacific Explorer back to Princess Cruises.

I assure you, these decisions are not made on what someone "thinks". Very extensive comparisons are done by very smart people with access to data we will never have. This analysis does not include feelings, but rather hard facts, like financial comparisons, operating costs, marketing projections, opportunity cost for removing the ship from other markets, crewing costs, taxes and fees in the operational area, countries likely to open first, etc.

Assuming they cancel the transfers on your recommendation, what difference does it make? Princess Cruises ships are idle and P&O Australia ships are idle. Whatever the brand, Carnival Corp has to pay the bills and they are struggling to do so. Why would they waste money on transfer costs, registration costs, paint, branding and signage on moving Pacific Explorer to Princess and have her be idle under a Princess name? Or why not just send her back to HAL? At least she is already painted dark blue and they have promotional material of her.

Also, companies tend to think a little longer term. Assuming Carnival survives, but dissolved P&O Australia. Five years from now they've then lost their market share to Royal Caribbean or some other competitor.

After all, having a cruise line only operate only one vessel during the pandemic is bound to fail.

In case you missed it, almost no-one is operating their ships. Why is having one (nearly or completely amortized) ship idle more risky than having twenty new ships (with financing attached to them) idle in the Caribbean? If getting a ship working again was as simple as sending it to another brand, we wouldn't have seen the cruise ships on the beach in Turkey.


Title: Re: Carnival ship sales
Post by: Angelgreat on October 15, 2020, 05:13:25 pm
Why would they waste money on transfer costs, registration costs, paint, branding and signage on moving Pacific Explorer to Princess and have her be idle under a Princess name? Or why not just send her back to HAL? At least she is already painted dark blue and they have promotional material of her.

I remind you that the Pacific Explorer is the former Dawn Princess of Princess Cruises. She still has her white hull from her Princess Cruises days. The Pacific Aria was the one that has the black hull as she was HAL's Ryandam.


Title: Re: Carnival ship sales
Post by: Heinu Schütte on October 16, 2020, 07:14:11 am
@Angelgreat you are right with the Pacific Explorer/Pacific Aria. Thanks for the corrections.

So they won't have to repaint, but all the other costs will still be there.


Title: Re: Carnival ship sales
Post by: Angelgreat on October 16, 2020, 05:59:45 pm
Costa Cruises' Costa Diadema had to have her cruise voyages cancelled due to seven people being tested positive for the coronavirus. Here is the article link:

https://www.cruisehive.com/cruise-cut-short-and-seven-passengers-test-positive/42668


Title: Re: Carnival ship sales
Post by: Angelgreat on October 17, 2020, 09:49:33 pm
Another update in Aliaga, Turkey. https://www.instagram.com/p/CGamrDZJ277/?igshid=5idoueacr6uw


Title: Re: Carnival ship sales
Post by: Angelgreat on October 19, 2020, 06:58:31 pm
Here's a update in Aliaga. https://www.instagram.com/p/CGiNRfbJ312/?igshid=caxvx2qnzsf0


Title: Re: Carnival ship sales
Post by: Tony Martin on October 21, 2020, 05:19:41 am
Ex P & O cruise ship Pacific Jewel was sold in 2018 to Jalesh Cruises and renamed Karnika, debuting in 2019. Jalesh Cruises has ceased operating in October 2020. She is reported to be off Mumbai under arrest. Nineteen crew on board. Future now uncertain. Did not want to start a new thread she was part of Carnival.


Title: Re: Carnival ship sales
Post by: rd77 on October 21, 2020, 08:00:59 am
Hi Tony, yes I think that one will head to Alang...eventually. Indian bureaucracy is notorious but at some point, I think she will be sold at auction and head to the closest beach. Alang also has Hong Kong Convention compliant scrap yards now.


Title: Re: Carnival ship sales
Post by: SteKrueBe on October 21, 2020, 03:24:17 pm
Hi there,
Karnika is due for her next class run at 29/12/2020. So her future looks bleak i assume.
brgds,
Stefan


Title: Re: Carnival ship sales
Post by: Angelgreat on October 22, 2020, 02:46:53 pm
Carnival acceleration the transfer of the Golden Princess and Star Princess to P&O Cruises Australia. Star Princess transferred a year early.

https://www.cruiseindustrynews.com/cruise-news/23733-princess-advances-transition-of-golden-princess-and-star-princess-to-p-o-australia.html

Sending vessels to the scrapyards is one thing, but if Carnival is going to waste a lot of money during the pandemic transferring cruise ships from Princess to P&O Australia, I can't support them anymore. I can't, especially when they waste money during these times. Why not wait until after the pandemic, they're too impatient. I rather see them get scrapped than transfered during the pandemic. I'm sorry, but it's tough for me.


Title: Re: Carnival ship sales
Post by: Clive Harvey on October 22, 2020, 05:07:06 pm
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Sending vessels to the scrapyards is one thing, but if Carnival is going to waste a lot of money during the pandemic transferring cruise ships from Princess to P&O Australia, I can't support them anymore. I can't, especially when they waste money during these times. Why not wait until after the pandemic, they're too impatient. I rather see them get scrapped than transfered during the pandemic. I'm sorry, but it's tough for me.

I would imagine that they need to show confidence in the future and also to show commitment to a market from which they had already withdrawn ships from and to be ready for the time when ships can begin cruising again.


Title: Re: Carnival ship sales
Post by: Robbie on October 22, 2020, 09:24:17 pm
Sending vessels to the scrapyards is one thing, but if Carnival is going to waste a lot of money during the pandemic transferring cruise ships from Princess to P&O Australia, I can't support them anymore. I can't, especially when they waste money during these times. Why not wait until after the pandemic, they're too impatient. I rather see them get scrapped than transfered during the pandemic. I'm sorry, but it's tough for me.

I'm sure Carnival will be devastated you won't support them anymore. They were most likely relying on you sailing with them to keep them from going into liquidation. People with more brains than most of us will have looked at the market and where it will be in a year or so's time and made an informed decision in transferring these vessels. It should be looked at as a positive sign that they can see an end to this at some stage and are planning their next move which is the transfer.


Title: Re: Carnival ship sales
Post by: Angelgreat on October 22, 2020, 09:35:14 pm
I'm sure Carnival will be devastated you won't support them anymore. They were most likely relying on you sailing with them to keep them from going into liquidation. People with more brains than most of us will have looked at the market and where it will be in a year or so's time and made an informed decision in transferring these vessels. It should be looked at as a positive sign that they can see an end to this at some stage and are planning their next move which is the transfer.

What I was trying to say is that Carnival should wait until the pandemic was over to transfer the Golden Princess and Star Princess to P&O Cruises Australia, because the markets would be improving and getting better. Transferring and repainting the vessels during the pandemic seems like a waste of money. I stll support Carnival and other lines, it just made me upset when they did this during these times of trouble. Also davidships, stop removing my replies. Thank you.


Title: Re: Carnival ship sales
Post by: Heinu Schütte on October 23, 2020, 11:17:40 am
What I was trying to say is that Carnival should wait until the pandemic was over to transfer the Golden Princess and Star Princess to P&O Cruises Australia, because the markets would be improving and getting better. Transferring and repainting the vessels during the pandemic seems like a waste of money. I stll support Carnival and other lines, it just made me upset when they did this during these times of trouble. Also davidships, stop removing my replies. Thank you.

This pandemic will pass and once it does, cruise lines must already be in a position to recover their losses as soon as possible. That means getting ships ready and postioned, able to operate at the push of a button. They can't wait until everything is over and then start their analysis, decision making and resulting scheduling. If they did that they might as well call it quits now and invest their funds elsewhere. If Carnival isn't ready to resume their operations in every region, I assure you that MSC, NCL and Royal Caribbean most certainly are.

The financial institutions keeping Carnival afloat during this time aren't saying "Meh, let's wait and see what happens". They are demanding operational plans for the next couple of years, as well as alternatives and contingencies on those plans.

Any cruise line that only plans for the next 6 months will fail. Cruise lines, like all industries with expensive assets like ships, are thinking on timelines as long as 20 years.

I'm sorry it makes you upset that Carnival is planning ahead, but these decisions are not made on feelings but are based on in-depth data analysis, financial models and risk analysis by industry experts with hundreds of years' experience shared among them. With billions of dollars at stake, they aren't going by gut feelings.

Quite frankly, I don't understand your concern over where Carnival puts their ships. At the end of the day, all the brands roll up financially into Carnival Corporation and it makes no real difference what house flag the ships are flying. The only difference is product differentiation and marketing.

When all our fondness of ships and the associated excitement are set aside, a ship is an asset used to generate revenue. The same return on investment calculation that is done on a manufacturing plant or mutual fund, is also run on a ship.


Title: Re: Carnival ship sales
Post by: Heinu Schütte on October 23, 2020, 11:25:47 am
PS Carnival has spent many years building up P&O Australia's brand recognition and loyalty. It was a market that grew very slowly (compared to the Caribbean or Mediterranean) and is finally expanding on  its tremendous potential. The Australian market is demanding more and newer ships to grow.

When the gap in the market is finally there, you want executives to say, "Aww schucks, you know, I feel we shouldn't".


Title: Re: Carnival ship sales
Post by: Angelgreat on October 24, 2020, 03:43:03 pm
P&O Cruises Australia has announced future sailings. They'll repaint the two Princess Cruises vessels and see how sailing goes. If the pandemic has ended by 2021, then they'll get new waterslides. If it still goes on, then they'll consider 'other options'. Only time will tell. Here is the link.

https://www.cruiseindustrynews.com/cruise-news/23740-p-o-australia-expecting-rebound-of-local-cruise-industry.html


Title: Re: Carnival ship sales
Post by: Angelgreat on October 28, 2020, 01:32:18 am
Two pieces of news today.

The Carnival Fascination is to become a accommodation ship in Asia and is leaving Cadiz, Spain, en route to new owners in Asia, with a destination to Singapore. I'm skeptical that they're going to turn her into a accommodation ship. I suspect she may actually be sold to be scrapped in either Alang, India or Gadani, Pakistan or Chittagong, Bangladesh or Changjiang, China. Either places make sense since the shipbreaking industry is booming and because Aliaga is getting filled up. Anyways, here is the link:

https://www.cruiseindustrynews.com/cruise-news/23764-former-carnival-ship-heading-to-new-home-in-asia.html

In other news, Princess Canceled theur Australia Program Through May 2021. I suspect that Princess's role in Australia and New Zealand will be further reduce in favor of P&O Australia over the weeks. Here's the link:

https://www.cruiseindustrynews.com/cruise-news/23766-princess-cancels-australia-program-through-may-2021.html


Title: Re: Carnival ship sales
Post by: 3SX on November 03, 2020, 10:21:00 am
The Fascination is still at Cadiz anchorage


Title: Re: Carnival ship sales
Post by: Angelgreat on November 03, 2020, 02:07:51 pm
The Fascination is still at Cadiz anchorage

Yes, she's still there. She will sail to Aliaga within the next month.