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Shipspotters all over the world => Site related news, functions and modules => Topic started by: davidships on May 13, 2017, 10:49:45 AM
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There are a small, but growing, number of "yacht tenders" - ie seagoing vessels that provide support of various kinds to superyachts - supply, storage, diving, helicopter operations. Here's an example:
http://www.shipspotting.com/gallery/photo.php?lid=2658802 (http://www.shipspotting.com/gallery/photo.php?lid=2658802)
http://www.yacht-support.nl/yacht-support/range/ys-6911
(http://www.yacht-support.nl/yacht-support/range/ys-6911)
Interesting question where to categorise these?
Not a yacht, but a yacht's tender.
Does function to supply a yacht, but nothing to do with the offshore supply industry
"Workboats and tenders" seems the best we have, but still doesn't quite seem right.
Could be a new sub-category in "Special purpose ships"
We should agree on one place for them. Members' thoughts are welcome.
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looks almost like his one,, also not really sure where she belongs to. Listed as crewing tender and such,,but was shown as passenger vessel in AIS. massive rebuild compared with her former appearance.
http://www.shipspotting.com/gallery/photo.php?lid=2658240
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Hello David & Theo
David I would say a new sub category in Special Purpose ships would be the most sensible, as Work Boats is nowhere near it.
Theo that one is down as a Yacht so Yacht Tender in the new category would suit better.
Best Wishes
Adrian
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From my perspective, crew boats not involved in the offshore oil industry, such as the small fleets in most ports that ferry crew, mail, supplies, etc to and from anchored cargo ships, are generally recommended to be included in either the "Off Shore Crew Vessels" or the "Work Boats including Crew Boats and Tenders" categories. Where, exactly, the distinction is drawn is not particularly clear, as many could have started life in the oilfields, or are built to designs identical to those that did.
http://www.shipspotting.com/gallery/photo.php?lid=2184484
http://www.shipspotting.com/gallery/photo.php?lid=2653875
http://www.shipspotting.com/gallery/photo.php?lid=2650895
Yacht tenders, in essence, perform the same services as those vessels, albeit usually as larger, more luxurious vessels. If the consensus has been to lump non-oilfield crew boats in with the oilfield ones since they provide the same kind of commercial services to different types of customers, I don't see why why one additional, very specific and limited industry should get it's own special category.
If a change for clarification is desired, maybe separating all non-oilfield crew boats, including yacht suppliers, into a clearly defined subcategory of Passenger Vessels, Special Purpose Vessels or even workboats should be considered instead.
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I think I remember having seen some large cruise ships that carry their own passenger tenders on board, when visiting ports for which they are to big to enter, such as Monte Carlo. What category are these in?
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How about a cathegory "re-build and/or re-purpose", This could also cover such things as re-build shrimper to general cargo vessels and/or landing crafts which are now serving as general cargo ships and same with supplier from the oil fields. Those are always hard to place.
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The categories are for categories of ships, not categories of markets they service.
I therefore suggest that yacht tenders be included in the Support sub category of Offshore. The type of yacht serviced is likely to be capable of operating offshore.
I doubt that there are enough yacht tenders to justify a category of their own.
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They would look odd in Offshore's Support category among what's usually in there. I'd suggest to just place them in Special Purpose Ships.
And there's pretty much enough of categories so far for members to misplace their photos.
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There are hardly likely to be very many of these vessels so I think the logical placece for them is as Special Purpose Vessels.
BTW: One such vessel, the Damen-built GAME CHANGER, is due in London today.
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I think I remember having seen some large cruise ships that carry their own passenger tenders on board, when visiting ports for which they are to big to enter, such as Monte Carlo. What category are these in?
They go in "ships' lifeboats and tenders", Pieter:
http://www.shipspotting.com/support/faq.php?category=Ships%27%20Lifeboats%20and%20Tenders
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OK, David, but they fulfill the same role as the yacht tenders, so these could be put there as well. But as Clyde mentioned, taking people from shore to an offshore contraption, whether floating or fixed is their main design purpose, so that is where they should be. Like my hobbyhorse, an LR2 carrying crude oil is not a crude oil tanker but a product tanker.
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The tenders in question are not the same at all - they re not primarly to transport people and are not part of the yacht itself. They are large independent sea-going vessels in their own right and provide a range of services to a yacht-owner.
I think that a consensus seems to be coming towards "special service vessel"
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Hello All
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Like David said, Ships lifeboats and Tenders is the most sensible category to put them in.
Work Boats category needs the extra bit deleting so it gores back to purely Work boats
Best Wishes
Adrian
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David, when you say "I think that a consensus seems to be coming towards "special service vessel""
do you mean the main category of Special Purpose Ships? Or would you suggest a subcategory within that just for Yacht tenders, or perhaps for All Other Special Purpose Ships?
I would prefer a subcategory titled All Other Special Purpose Ships, which may be useful for a range of other vessels.
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For me ships=vessels
We already have one, Clyde, with 3693 photos in it (though some may belong elsewhere)
http://www.shipspotting.com/gallery/search.php?search_category_1=62
Then we only need to create a subcategory for the specific ship type if we get a lot of them (like the current 1183 firefighting vessels and the 976 waste disposal vessels)
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If anything deserved a separate category in Special Purpose Vessels first, it would probably be "Pollution Control Vessels." Of the 15 photos I've added to that general category, 11 fall under that umbrella.
I still don't see why a yacht supplier is any different from a crew vessel not used for oilfield purposes. Or a clear line between what defines an "Off Shore Crew Boat" from one lumped in with the workboat category, as their is no listed definition on the site for either. Clarifying that line could easily provide a suitable home for yacht suppliers in an area where people are bound to look for than anyways, and in line with their usual classification in Equasis.
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Sorry - I don't get the logic of putting them with ships lifeboats and tenders. In this context, 'tenders' refers to the small boats launched from cruise ships to take passengers ashore. Yacht tenders are a totally different animal. They are oceangoing vessels which support mega-yachts. Please keep yacht tenders in special purpose ships. There are enough categories and sub categories for people to choose the wrong one as it is!
Brgds
Phil
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Phil,
I completely agree with your point about there being enough categories as it is and that includes Sub Categories, it has been pointed out that there are very few of these craft so with that that in mind they can quite easily be incorporated within the "Special Purpose Category" after all that is what they are, Special Purpose vessels.
Hope you are keeping well
Kind Regards
Ken
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I think that we can conclude the discussion on "yacht tenders" with the decision that they are to be entered in the main Special Purpose Ships category (and a sub-category will only be re-considered if the estimated numbers become large - say 1000+ images).
It would helpful if members spot existing examples categorised elsewhere that they move them accordingly (adding a note in the Description such as "Yacht tender").
I see that we do not have a FAQ guidance for Special Purpose Ships. A short one would be useful. Presumably the specific points include:
a) the vessel must be designed or modified for a specific prime function that is not covered by other existing categories (eg, a tug with fire monitors remains a tug, and is not a "special purpose firefighting vessel").
b) unless there is a relevant existing subcategory photos should be uploaded to the main Special Purpose Ships.
c) the nature of vessel's "special service" must be stated in the Description/Photo Details.
But there may be other points to make. When we have a FAQ, we can add a note in the members' forum.
Lastly, my inclination at present would be not to introduce any new subcategory unless we have a volunteer to take it on! We aleady have a number of categories without any active Co-ordinator or Photo editor.