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Title: Re: What is the point? Multiple Photos
Post by: coasterwatcher on September 07, 2016, 09:43:18 AM
Am I alone in wondering about the purpose of having similar photographs? As examples, I offer:

http://www.shipspotting.com/gallery/photo.php?lid=2507390

and

http://www.shipspotting.com/gallery/photo.php?lid=2507389

Or from the same photographer (at the same port):

http://www.shipspotting.com/gallery/photo.php?lid=2524761

and

http://www.shipspotting.com/gallery/photo.php?lid=2524760

A look at this photographer's postings shows that such duplication is common. He is certainly not the only one. I can just about understand a bow view, a broadside view and a stern view - but only just understand. But more than one image from almost the same angle is absurd and achieves nothing.


Title: Re: What is the point? Multiple Photos
Post by: Bob Scott on September 07, 2016, 10:07:59 AM
Maybe I'm just a cynic but I believe it's all about ego-tripping and playing the numbers game. It would take a long time to clock up 24,000 or 39,000-odd photos on the site without shooting the same ship more than once. It just lights some people's candle to have more pics on the site than the next person. And since there is no longer any accolade on this site for being THE top poster, there really isn't much point. And it makes the site look a bit sad and boring at times
Title: Re: What is the point? Multiple Photos
Post by: Clydee on September 07, 2016, 10:18:41 AM
Hi coasterwatcher

The site is a collection of member's albums, not one album (except for Shipping Companies Funnel Marks)

Always provided Site Standards are met, any member is entitled to use personal judgement as to frequency, range and location of pics of one vessel uploaded to his/her album.  

Clyde
Title: Re: What is the point? Multiple Photos
Post by: Ken Smith on September 07, 2016, 10:49:52 AM
Bob,
  
Quantity and not Quality is also a guideline for some.

Ken
Title: Re: What is the point? Multiple Photos
Post by: davidships on September 07, 2016, 12:00:29 PM
It's a perfectly valid question, coastwatcher, and it is asked from time to time.

It is important to remember that ShipSpotting is not a top-down single collection of photos of ships, selected by Admin; rather it is a platform for members to share their photos in their individual galleries, and to enjoy each others' images, along with the general public. Members motivations for posting more or fewer images vary, and the flexibility of the site allows for all to be accommodated, and I see no need to judge others' objectives, provided they do not impinge directly on other members.  

The site has a small number of "site standards" to try to ensure that all images are of good quality or better and maintain a focus on the depiction of ships themselves.
http://www.shipspotting.com/support/faq.php?category=Site%20standards%20for%20photos

Amongst these is 12. Multiple photos: When posting multiple photos of the same vessel taken on the same Date, the submission must be restricted to a maximum of 4 photographs with a significant change of Aspect/Angle between the photographs.

The Photo Admin try their best to ensure that this respected, but it remains a matter of judgement, and I am sure that we miss some where the difference is too small.

Our hope is that all members and visitors find what they want to see, and that they are not too bothered about repeated views of the same ship, whether by the same photographer of different, and just pass on to something more pleasing.  For the record, we have been assured that the total number of images is not a problem from a resource point of view - if that were to change, we would of course consider how best to respond.

Title: Re: What is the point? Multiple Photos
Post by: Sinisa Aljinovic on September 07, 2016, 07:50:33 PM
....and members must be restricted to limited number of photos of the same vessel.There are members with more than 50,60 and more photos of the same vessel in portfolio.Where is the end? :'(
Title: Re: What is the point? Multiple Photos
Post by: Tomas on September 08, 2016, 05:09:56 AM
The end is,- in my undereducated view, is that members will post, no, DUMP similar photos all the time on this fine site.
I would actually like to dare the members to make an effort. Walk an extra mile, try another angle, step it up! It does not take that much either.


This is written not with love for this site.

Be a leader, not a follower. Post quality, not quantity.

Tomas
Title: Re: What is the point? Multiple Photos
Post by: Petros Psarras on September 08, 2016, 08:36:31 AM


Amongst these is 12. Multiple photos: When posting multiple photos of the same vessel taken on the same Date, the submission must be restricted to a maximum of 4 photographs with a significant change of Aspect/Angle between the photographs.





This has to change because many members post 3 photos of the same vessel either the angle is same or some metres (neither 0,2 miles away) so as their 3 photos be shown always and get more views... Not only Greeks but also from other countries.

This is why I have stopped a long time ago to post photos... I have told it to them face to face but it seems they don't understand it.. So I write it also in public so they will understand at the end.
Title: Re: What is the point? Multiple Photos
Post by: coasterwatcher on September 08, 2016, 10:06:50 AM
May I respectfully suggest that the site is almost out of control. It is awash with pointless duplication. Consider the following:
http://www.shipspotting.com/gallery/photo.php?lid=2271106

http://www.shipspotting.com/gallery/photo.php?lid=2271104

http://www.shipspotting.com/gallery/photo.php?lid=2271103

http://www.shipspotting.com/gallery/photo.php?lid=2271101

http://www.shipspotting.com/gallery/photo.php?lid=2268270

http://www.shipspotting.com/gallery/photo.php?lid=2268269

http://www.shipspotting.com/gallery/photo.php?lid=2265291

Seven photographs of the same ship on the same day at the same place, six of these being the starboard side of the ship.

I understand that the site is a collection of members' galleries, but as Bob says, it is becoming sad and boring.

And I'm afraid that I have to disagree with you, davidships. I suggest that members and visitors are indeed becoming bothered by repeated views of the same ship. That is the comment I hear - I think I am not a lone voice.
Title: Re: What is the point? Multiple Photos
Post by: Tony des Landes on September 08, 2016, 10:33:33 AM
And I'm afraid that I have to disagree with you, davidships. I suggest that members and visitors are indeed becoming bothered by repeated views of the same ship. That is the comment I hear - I think I am not a lone voice.

For the record, it doesn't bother me.

I don't even bother to check to see how many times a photo of the same ship has been posted. There are more important things in life to worry about.

Regards

Tony d
Title: Re: What is the point? Multiple Photos
Post by: Bob Scott on September 08, 2016, 11:00:43 AM
Coasterwatcher: I
Title: Re: What is the point? Multiple Photos
Post by: davidships on September 08, 2016, 11:44:30 AM
Thanks for the contributions to this discussion so far.  Views of more members are welcome and the Admin group will review this in due course.

Just to add to the factuals, prior to 3 Nov 2014 a member's daily limit per ship was six, and it was reduced to four from that date.  The announcement is here:
http://forum.shipspotting.com/index.php/topic,13558.msg72025.html#msg72025

I believe that the "significant change of Aspect/Angle" rule had already been in place before then, but confirmation of when that dated back to would be helpful. 
Title: Re: What is the point? Multiple Photos
Post by: Bob Scott on September 08, 2016, 11:55:57 AM
The "different angle" rule came in around 2008/9 and it was laid down that there had to be a difference of at least 30 degrees between each shot.
Title: Re: What is the point? Multiple Photos
Post by: davidships on September 08, 2016, 12:23:12 PM
Thanks Bob
Title: Re: What is the point? Multiple Photos
Post by: Phil English on September 08, 2016, 02:27:27 PM
This is ridiculous and seems to be simply another admin or site-bashing thread. I have no problem with the way multiple photos are currently handled here. Anyone who is bothered can always go elsewhere. Simple.

Brgds
Phil
Title: Re: What is the point? Multiple Photos
Post by: Bob Scott on September 08, 2016, 04:20:10 PM
Well I certainly wasn't Admin-bashing Phil and I don't think the original poster was meaning to either. As an Admin yourself it would perhaps have been better if you could have come up with something more constructive or informative on the subject, rather than just dismissing the subject out of hand as "ridiculous".
Title: Re: What is the point? Multiple Photos
Post by: andrecas on September 08, 2016, 04:54:41 PM
By and large the current rules/regs work. I like the format and find site easy to navigate.
However, regardless the time frame, uploading (many) multiple photos same vessel might be considered somewhat repetitive. (Specific quantities mentioned earlier comment(s).
Down the road as site reviews certain areas and perhaps choose to "tighten-up" the quantity aspect, they might consider further reducing the number of uploads same vessel/same day from 4 to say 3.
Or, even consider implementing a similar guideline as Marine traffic. Their wording in regards to multiple photos reads something along these lines.... "max number photos that can be uploaded by one user for specific asset (vessel etc) is 5 photos within a period of 6 months. After exceeding limit photo will fail to upload to site".
Title: Re: What is the point? Multiple Photos
Post by: Ken Smith on September 08, 2016, 07:07:55 PM

David,

Picking up on Bob's comment, the 30 degree's was considered a little ambiguous and was changed to be hopefully more understandable.
Regards
Ken
Title: Re: What is the point? Multiple Photos
Post by: Sinisa Aljinovic on September 08, 2016, 07:41:15 PM
Coasterwatcher, it is not problem when the same ship has been shot by different photographers.What that mean? If 3 spotters show up at the same location and time only one can take photos.Other two must keep hands in pockets?! ???
We must limit number of the photos for the same (IMO) ship per photographer's portfolio like some other web pages did.
Some members are just loading and loading no matter if they already have taken 50 or more photos of the same ship.
Quality is another story.
Title: Re: What is the point? Multiple Photos
Post by: csaba on September 09, 2016, 05:05:15 AM
Good on you Coastwatcher. I wanted to do what you did but didn't feel comfortable calling out people who post very similar photos. Doesn't bother me too much, but was wandering what kind of ego plays in some people's mind. Competition? Hey look at me? Who knows, certainly not an intention to just share pix with fellow ship/photo enthusiasts.
Would I like to see them deleted? Yup.
But as long as we get dismissive comments like Phil's it won't happen. That is a no way to handle member's comments/concerns.
Title: Re: What is the point? Multiple Photos
Post by: simonwp on September 09, 2016, 06:02:25 AM
Unfortunately Phil makes comments like this too often for my liking.

As regards the original point of the topic, it's been discussed many times, without the issue ever really being resolved. I guess it probably never will be to the satisfaction of everyone, indeed I can see both points of view. But, at least, this time it's being discussed constructively. In the main anyway!!!!
Title: Re: What is the point? Multiple Photos
Post by: Phil English on September 09, 2016, 08:19:30 AM
Bob, Simon,

I just tell it how I see it. I make no apologies for having an opinion and being blunt. I guess that's because I'm now more used to other social media platforms which are more opinionated that this. It's nothing personal. Besides, Bob, I wasn't referring to your posts, rather the second one from the OP, which I find a distinct two-fingers up to David Asprey who succinctly points out that we have a wide-ranging membership who don't necessarily want the same things.

As for being an admin, I am in name only. I requested to come off the admin team months ago.

Brgds
Phil

Title: Re: What is the point? Multiple Photos
Post by: coasterwatcher on September 16, 2016, 03:29:30 PM
Unfortunately Phil makes comments like this too often for my liking.

Absolutely correct, simonwp. We do not need such dismissive comments that verge on arrogance. If he thinks that the comments are "site bashing" or "admin bashing", he is very much mistaken.

Compare that response to that from davidships : "Thanks for the contributions to this discussion so far.  Views of more members are welcome and the Admin group will review this in due course."
Title: Re: What is the point? Multiple Photos
Post by: csaba on September 17, 2016, 04:27:18 AM
Well said coastwatcher.
Title: Re: What is the point? Multiple Photos
Post by: DIMITRIS MENTAKIS on September 24, 2016, 04:39:01 PM
i beleave that 3 photos from tha same ship per day are ok . From bow from midle and aft . So viewers can enjoy the ship from diferent angles .