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Title: Decline of site standard or personal Satisfaction or what ?
Post by: Captain Ted on April 21, 2014, 01:11:39 pm
Anyone can explain me why people linking their pictures ?

Is it the "ego" I am the best or a kind of self promotion ?

Are those pictures through that also promoted on other sites ?

Does anyone really believe that other members don,t realize
that pictures are linked when seemingly standard pictures from the same serial getting 100,s of hits in the first 24 hrs.
Usually pics getting high hits when comments are done, or a high profile casualty is involved or special news involved etc etc
But simple pics of simple ships and a whole serial gets 100,s of hits with comments and/or speciality news/events absent.

Is this the wanted site standard for 100.s if not 1000,s of members ?
Come on guys,, I think the site and it's members can do better than that and more important deserve better than that !!!
 


Title: Re: Decline of site standard or personal Satisfaction or what ?
Post by: Tuomas Romu on April 21, 2014, 01:19:56 pm
What do you mean by linking? Posting to other forums, Facebook etc. to get more hits?

When I add photographs to ShipSpotting.com, I usually cross-post them to the Finnish Maritime Forum, Facebook and perhaps even gCaptain if there is a relevant thread. I don't see anything wrong with that. As I publish my photographs under a free license (Creative Commons), posting the link to other forums spreads the awareness that such photographs are available for use in publications, websites etc. for free. Then, I get a warm and fuzzy feeling inside when companies such as Foreship (http://www.foreship.fi/en/references) use my photographs in their reference list. I admit I didn't get the same feeling from the Russia Today article where they used the same photograph, but it was still nice... ;)

As long as it's not outright spamming, there's nothing wrong in linking.


Title: Re: Decline of site standard or personal Satisfaction or what ?
Post by: jadran on April 23, 2014, 11:46:59 am
Come on guys,, I think the site and it's members can do better than that and more important deserve better than that !!!
 


I duly agree with you Captain Ted, and fully support your view and attitude on this issue !

Therefore I contribute to this subject as follows hereunder.

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http://www.shipspotting.com/gallery/photo.php?lid=2019500

I have started the thread on this Photo page of MEIN SCHIFF 3 with my first comment, therefore feel free, to herewith conclude it as follows.

I  recognize the amazing, possibly it's the greatest of all ever, success made by this photo i.e. within only 24 hours (exactly 24 hrs) it gained the extreme 2,888 views.
Moreover, within only 24 hours it achieved, simultaneously, its indeed admirable positions :
- displayed as TOP1 photo of the posted photos within 24 hours;
- displayed as TOP1 photo of all the posted photos within 48 hours;
- displayed as TOP1 photo of all the posted photos within 7 days;
- displayed as TOP1 photo of all the posted photos within 30 days;
- on 14th position of all the posted photos within 180 days  i.e. out of total 110,405 posted photos in that period;

I know that many people will be happy with this outstanding success and achieved results of the MEIN SCHIFF 3 subject photo (regarding the gained number of views + the top positions of that particular photo on this website),,  but I shall not be happy at all ..... because of the modality applied, to achieve that success, which can not be justified in this case or any other case that may occur !!!
I truly hope similar "events" will not occur further on ....... please !


Respectfully submitted,
Jadran

 



 


Title: Re: Decline of site standard or personal Satisfaction or what ?
Post by: Tuomas Romu on April 23, 2014, 06:04:37 pm
Couple of thousand of views in 24 hours is nothing in today's world where a kitten video in YouTube can fetch tens of thousands of hits every hour if it goes viral. Since Mein Shiff 3 is one of the few "new" cruise ships due to be delivered this spring, I wouldn't be surprised if the photographs were linked to a number of blogs, cruise ship enthusiastic websites, forums and so on. It's not as if it will remain popular forever - new ships will eventually (like tomorrow) take its place.

Anyway, for some reason I don't understand this "Your pics don't deserve that many hits!" mentality...


Title: Re: Decline of site standard or personal Satisfaction or what ?
Post by: Tomas Østberg- Jacobsen on April 23, 2014, 06:13:23 pm
Agree. I dont understand what the hit-fuzz is about, and i refuse to back down on my philosophy: Quality, not quantity, if you do your best with a photo and can stand for it, so what if it gets 30 or 3000?


Title: Re: Decline of site standard or personal Satisfaction or what ?
Post by: Captain Ted on April 23, 2014, 06:43:19 pm
suggest then we should link all pictures automatic then ?

 
 



Title: Re: Decline of site standard or personal Satisfaction or what ?
Post by: Tuomas Romu on April 23, 2014, 06:45:27 pm
suggest then we should link all pictures automatic then ?

Where?

I mean, if there's a place where your pictures are relevant and bring additional interesting content, then why shouldn't you link them there. The site provides a functionality for that and it's not forbidden.


Title: Re: Decline of site standard or personal Satisfaction or what ?
Post by: Cornelia Klier on April 23, 2014, 07:00:09 pm
I can understand all views there.

Of course it is a bit "iffy" if photos get so many clicks here without a single comment and it is questionable, why.

I understand very well the point of view made by Theo here, and I agree with him. Though, I must say, it MAY be that photos are linked from outside sources.

I think, this "top views" category does not fit anymore into nowadays time, when so many blogs, etc. are around, where only is seen, what gets most links, and many other good photos are not seen. I have been complaining about that myself in the past, because it does not feel right, if you have taken many good photos, and it feels they are not seen.

On the other hand I do not feel comfortable with the case, like now, that I did not find Ships name and IMO-Number and some member helped me and the ship and photos (both are not anything special!!!) ending up on the top.

Perhaps, it is better to simply get rid of Top views Category but simply show every uploaded photo a certain time in the top list ? I think, this would also be good against the "bad feelings" that some people have about this.

Greetings,

Cornelia


Title: Re: Decline of site standard or personal Satisfaction or what ?
Post by: Dеnis on April 23, 2014, 07:32:32 pm
Maybe our dear Webmaster Ken, should just cut the number of hits being visible to anyone to just being visible to the author of the photo, letting him alone eating his pride & not infect others with jealousy of "my photo from a year ago has only some 100 hits :(" ?  Similar to how the access to "Photos considered for deletion" was closed to members.
Face it, when you look for photos you look on photo first, not hits. Basically, hits are unnecessary to tell you anything if you found someone's photo being commonly interesting anyway. So well, if there are no hits visible to anyone, then you don't need the Top 3 daily/weekly/monthly/yearly. Yes, the "sport" side disappears as well as the static feel of the site where you used to only be jealous of Top 3, browse through the recent uploads, or well, search for some particular ship.  Could have instead made 3 random photos every time the page is refreshed - the kind of feature I asked long ago but, alas, nothing yet. Yeah, I miss that "Las Vegas feeling" when I was refreshing the home page over & over until some interesting photo from the depths appears, not bothering about Most Popular photos much since it's all the same either scrap or accident or kind of photos you usually can find on Flickr or anywhere else.

Done!


Title: Re: Decline of site standard or personal Satisfaction or what ?
Post by: Captain Ted on April 23, 2014, 08:20:42 pm
@ Denis
good idea,,get rid of the top three,,which seems to some the whole topic to be there
as often as possible.
and the random placing there for 2-3 hrs a day from the last 24 hrs that would spread the
visibility to at least 36-48 pictures a day more or less openly visible

@ Cornelia
agree more or less with your views too

@ Tuomas
All over the net, basically everywhere. But what I don,t see and don,t like
because I or also someone else linking my picture to any web site ,why the hits on the picture on that web site should be counted as hits here ?

Ideal then would may be, that if a picture is linked, that the hit count is blocked
on this site. !! ??


Title: Re: Decline of site standard or personal Satisfaction or what ?
Post by: Dеnis on April 23, 2014, 08:43:56 pm
Based on Cornelia's suggestion - how about having on Home Page like 3 random photos from last 24h/week/month/year for either each one hour or for each page refresh? That would give a lot of people to be fairly in the spotlight. With the rate of recent uploads nowadays when it's like 4-5 pages with 192 photos on each for the last 24h, I think such feature would be very good - not everyone has the passion/willpower to sit & scroll till the photo he saw last on his previous visit. When someone arrives here, he only sees Top 3, 1 random photo + 1 recent photo - nothing much, pretty shy for the site with over 1.6 mil pics so far.


Title: Re: Decline of site standard or personal Satisfaction or what ?
Post by: Captain Ted on April 23, 2014, 10:51:58 pm
hi ken

good point with suddenly crappy pics on top,,which the owners of the site
surely would not like

of course the other option is to eliminate the linking, and problem is gone for good or
no idea if outside linking could be blocked,,people still could possibly via link view the picture,but not counted as hit ?





Title: Re: Decline of site standard or personal Satisfaction or what ?
Post by: lappino on April 24, 2014, 12:11:07 am
Much ado about...maybe not "nothing", but very small issue, IMHO.

We need to accept that the community interested in the photos posted on this site is much larger than the number of members of the site itself - and this interest can bring profits to the site, allowing it to thrive for the benefit of all, even the "purists". :)

Some of my photos that I have uploaded here and consider to be "my best" have less than 100 views.

And my worst photo, hands down, that was accepted here has 27.000+ views. :)


Title: Re: Decline of site standard or personal Satisfaction or what ?
Post by: Bill Godfrey on April 24, 2014, 05:06:05 am
The counting of views of photos by the Shipspotting web server is something that is done by software. If the Shipspotting web server is typical of most, its software can easily determine where the link was located that led to the view about to be counted. There is more information about that feature of web servers at this Wikipedia page:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTTP_referer

in case anyone wants to read more about it.

If someone clicks on a link to a photo from within Shipspotting, the part of the server that counts views can distinguish that view from one that came from clicking on a link outside of Shipspotting.

You can probably see where I'm going with this. The counting of views could be restricted to views from the links within Shipspotting itself, if the web server software can be changed to impose that restriction.

I'm neither for nor against doing it, and I don't know how much web server expertise is available to those who maintain Shipspotting, but I thought I'd mention that it might be an option to consider.

Regards,

Bill


Title: Re: Decline of site standard or personal Satisfaction or what ?
Post by: Cornelia Klier on April 24, 2014, 06:24:16 am
Hello Folks,

just some more thoughts:

The fact that it might not be good, to see three "crappy" photos on top sounds not very pleasant, but there are ways to go around:

- Upload no crappy photos. The site Standards here are very good, so there should not be much danger

- Show on top three always the last uploaded three photos - for lets say 5 minutes. That way, there would be alot of Change, and every photo on a day gets shown for 5 minutes.

It would not disturb any of the outside sources, because shipping companies etc. are anyways not checking the top three, but they are searching for their ships and linking/asking to use the photo.

I do favour this idea because if only clicks on this site here are counted for top three, I know what will happen: Trouble again, because some members are more popular than others, and getting more clicks, because they have friends who comment on their photos and bring them up to the top etc.... I see that coming.

regards,

Cornelia


Title: Re: Decline of site standard or personal Satisfaction or what ?
Post by: jadran on April 24, 2014, 09:33:51 am

Let's return to the topic of "linking" .....................
SOMETHING MUST BE DONE VERY SOON !


I'm afraid that very soon this "linking business" will become an "exploding bomb" for the essence & existence of this website.

Till now,, the members cared, more or less, to make good photos which would achieve more views and hopefully enter into Top3 with the greatest award to be TOP1 of the day.
The competition up till now was related to members' hard try & effort to shoot a better photo and reach the Top1  being a deserved award to him.

Now and further on,, unfortunately it might be so, the competition shall change to "gaining the Top record of views (hits)".
The "game" shall be:
Let's compete and see, who will have the Top Number of views (hits); Why to be you if it can be me !!! hahaha

Some members will accept the new option and possibility as "very cool", and as the time goes on, that will become a new fashion  i.e. something very NEW and much EXCITING experience to consume.
Just hypothetically imagine one day: Wow wow I managed to reach 50,000 views (hits); my photo is carrying the new record now !

AND THEN,, what happens with the good "classic" photography approach on this website,, and its essence that an indeed good Photo is properly awarded only and only for the good  & well done work of the Photographer, in the manner and way of only the "classic voting" as was existing till yesterday.

Or will further on in near future,, any kind of photo possibly be Top awarded by benefiting of  a "created and widely spread net of links - linking" and thereas coming relevant "votes received through such channels".
It is for certain, that such artificial votes shall eat-up the essence of the "classic" photography approach, that a good shot & well done photo is the best photo.
THAT IS THE DANGER FOR THIS WEBSITE !





Title: Re: Decline of site standard or personal Satisfaction or what ?
Post by: Dеnis on April 24, 2014, 11:01:22 am
Exactly that either the TOP3 charts should be closed or hits being visible only to the author of that photo or we're having a Youtube here already.  It was fair back then, now it degraded.  Maybe Shipspotting staff might consider to give popular memebers with enormous hits a some "Partner" title & give them 1 Euro per every hit on their photos?
And despite that MY SHIP 3's success, that surfing DODO is still the winner.


Title: Re: Decline of site standard or personal Satisfaction or what ?
Post by: Captain Ted on April 24, 2014, 12:51:40 pm
My point was to place it in the Forum "is it good for the site or not"
the linking I mean. I don,t see a reason that it does good or is good.

I did and do not accuse this one or that one of doing it.

The whole problem could be solved by the simple solution as to block the outside hits from counting on this site. I have nothing against the top three, why not, also my pictures are now and then there, but I can not remember that I had even of my highest hit pictures a picture of the same ship at the same time in the top three.
I had the max hits somewhere around 5800 in 365 days,,not linked to the outside also
when the picture was used on various other web sites. If I would have linked that picture
I would have may be reached easy 20-30000 and more. I personally would have called this not right in the sense of a fair and square picture competition on this site, which after all it is on the site to a certain degree.
The top three, I have no problem with, because it gives some kind of satisfaction for people to be there and also promotes the site to peoples who find this site and see good pictures in the opening page.

My whole point and question is,, Is linking to the outside and counting here good or bad and also fair for this site and for me personally it,s not.
Beside that, I was often enough on top and do not have to proof by linking the pictures to show that some of them are very good or even by that linking make all or most my pictures suddenly very good which they are not. They are good, but not always super good.

btw it was this picture
http://www.shipspotting.com/gallery/photo.php?lid=1760311
brgds
capt ted



Title: Re: Decline of site standard or personal Satisfaction or what ?
Post by: Tuomas Romu on April 24, 2014, 01:53:18 pm
One of the arguments against not counting outside referrals for hits is that at least for now the first two words in that area of the front page are "most viewed" on a general level instead of "most viewed among a limited audience". In that sense, it does not mean that the photographs shown in that section are supposed to be somehow "better" than other pictures uploaded on that day. They are simply the most interesting photographs in that time window for some reason, which can be anything from being particularly "good" to the ship being in the news either in positive or negative light. I guess that if we had a picture of Sewol, the ship that capsized some time ago in South Korea, it would have received tens of thousands of hits by now as people wanted to find out what the ship looked like. I think it's in a way nice that the "most viewed" section reflects (to some degree) what's happening in the shipping world. On that day, it was Mein Schiff 3 leaving for first sea trials.

It's also funny how this discussion started from a picture that wasn't even particularly bad. It's just a standard shipspotter's photograph without any gimmicks.

Personally, I still fail to see what's the big freaking deal with all this fuss about hits and external linking. I don't think anyone is posting links to their photographs everywhere just to get hits - they just want to show their photographs to the world, often in a relevant context. Regardless of where the photographs are posted, they still have to comply with the site standards. As for what is "fair", everyone is free to post links on their Facebook wall or on a "your newest ship photos" thread on some shipping forum.

As a conclusion, hit count does not necessarily (have to) reflect how "good" your photograph is. It's just an indicator for how _interesting_ it is to other people. If you can't take interesting pics (say, a random photograph of a ship that has already been featured on this website), well... though luck...


Title: Re: Decline of site standard or personal Satisfaction or what ?
Post by: Andreas Schlatterer on April 24, 2014, 02:57:56 pm
Hello together

Competition - what kind of competition? As I remember this site was just to satisfy people which are somehow infected by ships and infos related to them. Looks like now it is a competition who gets most hits. For me absolute nonsense!
When I joined the Site in 2005 it was just to share my pics with other members who been interested in shipping. I do not count and I will never do the hits fpor my pics it is muh more fun to get a reply to the photos and even better if a story will be behind. But sorry for that this getting less and less too.
My opinion
get rid of this counting hit system on the first page and show the latest twelve pics like it was made in the past. Much more info, much higher variety of photos.

with best regards
Andreas (Capesize)



Title: Re: Decline of site standard or personal Satisfaction or what ?
Post by: Malim Sahib on April 24, 2014, 03:38:59 pm
I very much agree with Andreas. By all means have a top 10 of the week or suchlike, but such photos should be decided by a rating function manually selected by those who view them, rather than simple views.
I think we're taking this far too seriously - shipspotting and ship photography is not a competition; it's a hobby that's supposed to be fun, interesting and informative, not serious to the point of being a chore. I'm sure I'm not the only one who's noticed that over a number of years this site has changed from being a friendly setting for ship enthusiasts to share information and photos (great and not so great), to basically being an image factory with increasingly draconian (and in some ways unrealistic) rules about photographic 'standards'.
A casual visitor would be forgiven for thinking it's some kind of extremist secret ship photography society with a correspondingly unfriendly atmosphere, you only have to look at the increasingly negative and discourteous comments about the smallest perceived 'technical' flaws in a members photos to see that.


Title: Re: Decline of site standard or personal Satisfaction or what ?
Post by: Peter S. aus N on April 24, 2014, 07:37:18 pm
hello,
I agree with Andreas, show the latest uploaded pictures. This is the best overview of this site and every time you are on the site you see automatically good various shots and can comment them if you feel a need. By this way you comment good shots on the spur of the moment! and not because it is your friend.
For the people who think there is a need of a kind of competition count only hits from this site no linked hits !!!!!!!!!!and show 3 pictures top of the week and on christmas top of the year.
greetings Xylad-Peter


Title: Re: Decline of site standard or personal Satisfaction or what ?
Post by: Captain Ted on April 24, 2014, 07:44:20 pm
@Andreas
agreed what you say, I kicked this discussion off only for one reason, because this ridiculous hit counting and even more by linking destroys the reason why I joined this site,,exactly the reasons you just gave,,show my pictures and it,s nice when sometimes some people comment and want more info or more info and even make contact now and then.
I would not have problems with that at all, but some members have seemingly only one goal to be on daily/weekly basis on top and that you can only achieve via linking, ridiculous in my opinion, but unfortunately an option which exists even here on this good site. Some members think, link to the outside here as hit counts has a informative and news value, beats me on that.
 
@ James
The site standard is good in my opinion, I saw some pictures what peoples wanted upload here,,I mean,,I would not unload them from my camera but delete them right then and there. A certain standard has to be maintained otherwise the overall standard, which made this site so successful declines rapidly. I sail as Master as you may know and Andreas does too for example and a few others as CaptainPeter, and very often I meet pilots for example who know this site and all of them mention one thing : he high standard and quality of the pictures.
I would hate that this would detoriate the site and quality means for me also when I do not see every day,,same posters,,same style ships over and over again.

@ Peter
good for me too  !!! :-)



Title: Re: Decline of site standard or personal Satisfaction or what ?
Post by: tvtech on April 24, 2014, 08:49:57 pm
Hello All

I don't post photo's here. I am far from the sea...I am probably one of thousands out there that visit here because they love looking at ships. I find them incredibly interesting and I have learned lot's by viewing and commenting too on the hard work that people do. There are fantastic photo's taken by members here that deserve recognition...

So, as an outsider who likes this lovely place, please stop all possible linking from other sites and concentrate on the goodness here. Rather concentrate on keeping the Guys that take the time and trouble to post their wonderful shots here happy.

Stuff the rest and save the best.

And this site is the best.

Regards,
tvtech



Title: Re: Decline of site standard or personal Satisfaction or what ?
Post by: Glenn Towler on April 26, 2014, 09:22:28 am
Ex number of random photos each day sound much better than the ex number with the most hits.  However it worries me if the random photo function excludes poorer quality shots from the site this could potentially lead to starting the whole quality debate again, if its us going to be random shots then it should be that regardless of the shot being of poorer quality.  Besides what some people might consider to be a poor quality shot someone else might thi k it is wonderful.


Title: Re: Decline of site standard or personal Satisfaction or what ?
Post by: Tony des Landes on April 26, 2014, 09:52:06 am
I know www.fleetmon.com has a number of links to shipspotting.com. Perhaps this approach has been used by other sites to respect the copyright of the photogrspher so that the full acknowledgement is provided this way. This would be much more desirable than "stealing" the photo.

Maybe external links may also result in attracting more members when they are redirected to this site which surely cannot be a bad thing.

I often post photos of livestock carriers and often these receive a huge number of hits compared to my other postings. I have no idea why but there seems to be an interest out there for that type of vessel by an unknown group or groups. My last one of the Galloway Express was a good example and made it to the top photo of the day for a short period before the 24 hours expired. It definitely wasn't an outstanding photo but I have no doubt it was the vessel that created the interest.

I suppose the top 3 photos adds a little bit of interest to a few, and simply means that a certain number of people whether it be by members, guests or via external links, made a conscious decision to view that particular photo. Maybe it simply should be taken for what it is.

Regards

Tony d




Title: Re: Decline of site standard or personal Satisfaction or what ?
Post by: Sinisa Aljinovic on April 26, 2014, 11:47:48 am
I think that "Latest photo comments" on home page makes troubles.Some members just click on them and push photo counters going on and on.It is enough that just one make a comment and you are on the top on the world.All others are just curious and follow the steps.This is virus for counter and some members like it.Quality is last one issue.I think that comments should be removed from home page and if someone want to read it let he browse every single page and make comment.I would rather see latest uploads of 9 or 12 photos than this.
Regarding Fleetmon web site.They do not link photos from our site.Some photographers here are members of Fleetmon as well,including myself.But be sure that rules there are much stricter than here.There are no boats there,distant,hazy shots etc....just those with MMSI.
If someone want to become theirs member better to read and study the rules before upload anything.


Title: Re: Decline of site standard or personal Satisfaction or what ?
Post by: Captain Ted on April 26, 2014, 12:23:13 pm
This whole discussion was meant more in that line that should outside viewing be also  counted as "hits" on this site, which seemingly is the case. I do not say don,t link, as Tony said it may promote the site which is a good thing.
But should those hits count here.
Imagine, and I think it is not only imagine, some people link it somewhere and sitting in front of their pc and clicking the pic there linked to this site and drive the count up just by doing that.
 


Title: Re: Decline of site standard or personal Satisfaction or what ?
Post by: Tuomas Romu on April 26, 2014, 09:07:15 pm
Yeah, it's terrible when the hit counter counts hits from people who were not after the picture itself, but just were curious about the content. Perhaps we could introduce a message box with two buttons, one resulting in the hit being counted ("Yes, I came here for the pic and I think it's nice" and "I'm just browsing around instead of seriously looking at photographs"). Also, we should introduce some kind of alco-lock that would prevent people under the influcence of alcohol from browsing through the folders - when you're drunk, you tend to open a bunch of pics even if you don't intend to look at them long enough so that some members would accept the hit for the hit counter. Or perhaps we could just count hits from registered members, preferrably those who have donated money to the admins during the past 3 months...

I don't have to click an outside link to get hits on my photographs. I can just browse them here without signing in. During the night, I run an automatic script that browses through my pics. Gettings hits is not the most important thing in ShipSpotting.com. It's the ONLY thing...

If someone want to become theirs member better to read and study the rules before upload anything.

I believe some other websites such as Airliners.net are also famously anal for their photographic quality rules. I'm not sure if I want that culture here...


Title: Re: Decline of site standard or personal Satisfaction or what ?
Post by: Captain Ted on April 26, 2014, 11:49:00 pm
@ Tuomas
Speaking of experience ?    :-)))


Title: Re: Decline of site standard or personal Satisfaction or what ?
Post by: Tony des Landes on April 27, 2014, 07:35:35 am
Regarding Fleetmon web site.They do not link photos from our site.
Sorry Sinisa - I should have said  http://maritime-connector.com

Tony


Title: Re: Decline of site standard or personal Satisfaction or what ?
Post by: davidships on April 27, 2014, 09:29:10 am
Quote
I think that "Latest photo comments" on home page makes troubles.Some members just click on them and push photo counters going on and on.It is enough that just one make a comment and you are on the top on the world.All others are just curious and follow the steps.This is virus for counter and some members like it.Quality is last one issue.I think that comments should be removed from home page and if someone want to read it let he browse every single page and make comment.I would rather see latest uploads of 9 or 12 photos than this.

Latest photo comments are very important to some members as they open the door to interesting conversations and passing of information.  What has it got to do with "trouble".  This fixation about counting hits is of no interest to me personally.


Title: Re: Decline of site standard or personal Satisfaction or what ?
Post by: Cornelia Klier on April 28, 2014, 07:03:31 am
I think, it is good that you can see recent photo comments on right side. I have received alot of help by other members when I had Problems identifying a ship, and this is a very good Feature. Placing your question under the photo, there is really so much knowledge here on this site.

The Problem is: The photo might end up on top three, even it is not a real beauty-shot. I do not want this, in that case and is not intendet.

Get rid of that top three,replace that by: Every new uploaded photo is shown there for around 5 Minutes and all Problems are really solved  ;D



Title: Re: Decline of site standard or personal Satisfaction or what ?
Post by: Captain Ted on April 28, 2014, 12:16:08 pm
@ Cornelia
yes, but one problem with that
also vessels which are totally out of the standard, like half ships, totally obscured ships
or unfocused and worst like row boats in the fishing vessel section and canoe,s as cruise ships. Everybody new to this site might think right away,, Wow what a crappy site !!!!
That would mean that a ADM would have to filter the pictures on a continues base, not very practicable.
The whole thing is not about the top three it is more about if outside hits should be counted as hits on this site which distorts the whole thing as we could watch before the same ships and posters over and over again.
You may also have noticed that since this thread runs the variety of ships on the top three spots are much more mixed ships. The day before was even a bulker on the no 1 !!!!!  And that is what makes this site,, Not hits for any price !!!