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Shipspotters all over the world => Shipping News and information => Topic started by: Petros Psarras on December 23, 2012, 08:50:07 PM
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I just read this article
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2252580/End-era-QE2-Iconic-cruise-liner-sold-scrap-Chinese-20m.html
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What a bummer!:-(
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Vary sad new for a great liner :'(
Kyle
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Sadly this is news that was to be expected after plans to convert her in a floating hotel fell through. Very sad news indeed!
Kind regards
Cedric
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Has this been reported anywhere other than red-tops such as the Daily Fail?
Whilst the scrapping of the QE2 is may be expected at some point, perhaps soon, the whole article seems to be based upon conjecture and I would seriously question it's validity until there is more reliable information available
Brgds
Phil
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I hope this is not true or that she can be bought from the Chinese ship breaker before she reaches the yard. QE2 would be a beau8tiful hotel and in britain especially
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Peter Knego of the website Maritime Matters reported that one of their readers had overheard conversation from officers on board Queen Mary 2. Please find below the quote taken from their facebook page.
Apparently Bill Miller overheard from a QUEEN MARY 2 officer that QE2 has been sold to Chinese breakers. If so, very sad but not unexpected news. --Peter
Link: https://www.facebook.com/MaritimeMatters?fref=ts (https://www.facebook.com/MaritimeMatters?fref=ts)
Kind regards
Cedric
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Hopefully this rumour is not true and she will become a floating hotel
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JUST POSTED FROM CUNARD FACEBOOK PAGE !!
We have noted the messages of understandable concern with regards to the recent article in the Daily Mail with reference to QE2. We remain in close contact with Dubai and can reassure you that to the very best of our knowledge this story is pure speculation - one of a number of stories and rumours as we have seen over recent months. Our best advice would be to ignore the story.
Best regards,
Cunard Line.
IT SEEMS QE2 WILL NOT BE SCRAPPED !! THANKS GOD!!!
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Thank god this is good news
Merry Christmas
Damien Mc Carthy
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Great news :)
Kyle
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Cruise News Daily are leading that she has been sold for
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Equasis has no reported changes in ownership but P&I club changed by 20/12/12 to Standard P&I Club per Charles Taylor & Co. Anyway, the cost of preserving a vessel of this size are astronomical. Remember the occurences on s.s. "Rotterdam".... wait and see.
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I think that DW Legend Co FZE have entered QUEEN ELIZABETH 2 with the Standard Club since 6/2011 (previously with Steamship Mutual). But there have been some changes in the structure of the Standard - so maybe an internal shift of some kind?
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Cruise news Daily is hardly a reliable reference source either. They are clearly basing their story on the DM article. I wish people would stop making assumptions or drawing conclusions based upon hearsay and rumour. It's also crazy for anyone to think that the QE2 would get $20 million for scrap. Her scrap value is less than half that.
Let's just wait until some 'proper' news emerges.
Brgds
Phil
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The Cruise World (Bilngual) posted this recently:http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=318538088252526&set=a.181020555337614.33794.152384651534538&type=1&theater
so she may not be going for scrap all going well
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I wonder if the Chinese are buying it to learn how to build passenger ships.
When the Chinese were interested in acquiring and building aircraft carriers for their fleet
they bought decomissioned Russian Kiev class and a de comissioned Australian aircraft cariers ( the Melbourne-I think) They studied these designs and learnt whatever they could as they had no history of building operating these vessels at that time.
Since the Chinese are supposed to be building Titanic II ; maybe this is a similar learning exercise. I t would fit and could explain why'd they'd pay over the odds.
Just a theory...but worth thinking about.
Slainte
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Well, in today's Daily Mirror here in the UK, she is coming back to the Thames..... so it must be true ;)
http://blogs.mirror.co.uk/captain-greybeard/2013/01/new-home-on-the-thames-for-qe2.html
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Well I hope it is true. And what they have planed for her look's nice.
She to good to be scraped.
Kyle
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Well spotted Bob and as you say it 'must' be true if reported in one of our 'red sripes' ;),
Well, in today's Daily Mirror here in the UK, she is coming back to the Thames..... so it must be true ;)
http://blogs.mirror.co.uk/captain-greybeard/2013/01/new-home-on-the-thames-for-qe2.html
I think I'll set up my tent by the Thames Barrier now just to make sure I don't miss her ;D There are some incredibly tall storys told which people seem to fall for. A bit like the rumour that the 'Pride of Dover' was being towed all the way to from Tilbury to Turkey to be re-engined and back again! People... get real for goodness sake!!
Best Regards
John J.
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Well said John !
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160 events are cancelled..her days are numbered :-[
http://www.arabianbusiness.com/dubai-cans-160-qe2-events-as-it-decides-cruise-liner-s-final-fate-484910.html
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These better not be true she is too beautiful and young to be scrapped
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Reading a survey report on QE2 a year or two before she was sold shows that, internally, it was a shed! The list of defects was quite scary.
The worst parts were steelwork getting paper thin in places. Being in awkward places, these affected areas would have been very expensive to rectify. And if some areas are suffering from worn out steelwork, others must surely be close behind.
I would imagine that after a number of years alongside in Dubai, making virtually no money and therefore probably getting little or zero maintenance, the condition would now be a lot more iffy.
Sure, it was a nice looking ship but I think if I was the owner, I would be looking at weighing it in for the cash before it devalues any further. Scrap steel is worth a lot more than good looks!
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Hi Kelvin
you heartless sod........but quite realistic !
Allan
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If MSA involved with a ship that age, best direction eastwards. But you cannot deny it still
looks a modern ship, and it will always be remembered for its histories also. ::)
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Kelvin: Your heartless realism has been a great antidote to the reams of sentimental mush that have been spouted on this site about the demise of this beautiful but now well-past-its-scrap-by-date, old ship
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Reading a survey report on QE2 a year or two before she was sold shows that, internally, it was a shed! The list of defects was quite scary.
The worst parts were steelwork getting paper thin in places. Being in awkward places, these affected areas would have been very expensive to rectify. And if some areas are suffering from worn out steelwork, others must surely be close behind.
I would imagine that after a number of years alongside in Dubai, making virtually no money and therefore probably getting little or zero maintenance, the condition would now be a lot more iffy.
Sure, it was a nice looking ship but I think if I was the owner, I would be looking at weighing it in for the cash before it devalues any further. Scrap steel is worth a lot more than good looks!
Kelvin,
From what I've heard, maintenance during her stay at Dubai has been quite good, but I doubt that the areas you mention have received a lot of attention. My prediction for the future of the QE2: either directly to Alang, or indirectly, with a failed hotel venture in either Singapore or China in between.
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These better not be true she is too beautiful and young to be scrapped
YOUNG!??? she is 44 years old, well past retirement age. That's seriously, even for a passenger ship, which tend to last longer than average. The average economic lifetime of a ship is 25-30 years, and in the current climate, a lot of ships (container vessels and bulkers in particular) are going for scrap at less than 20 years old.
and beauty doesn't pay the maintenance bills unfortunately.
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Hmmm. How about Alang as a destination?
Read this article from a Dubai newspaper.
http://m.arabianbusiness.com/dubai-cans-160-qe2-events-as-it-decides-cruise-liner-s-final-fate-484910.html
What I found interesting was the comment from the boss of the company that had to cancel umpteen events planned for the ship. He mentions that his company had to start changing their plans to use the ship "4 or 5 months ago".
The comment from Cunard is also interesting, saying they have no right in comment on commercial decisions involving other parties. This, of course, is the same Cunard that recently commented on their having a say in the disposition of the ship written into the contract between them and the new owner when they sold the ship in the first place!
One QE2 fanatics web page refers to a "British ship, British company (Cunard), British flag".
How about the reality? A formerly British ship, US company (Carnival) and Vanuatu flag?
Nostalgia isn't what it used to be!
Kelvin
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These better not be true she is too beautiful and young to be scrapped
YOUNG!??? she is 44 years old, well past retirement age. That's seriously, even for a passenger ship, which tend to last longer than average. The average economic lifetime of a ship is 25-30 years, and in the current climate, a lot of ships (container vessels and bulkers in particular) are going for scrap at less than 20 years old.
and beauty doesn't pay the maintenance bills unfortunately.
Beat me to it, Ralph :D. A 44-year old ship is hardly 'young' and vessels half her age are going to the breakers at the moment.
Do I want to see her scrapped? No, not particularly. But what happens, happens.
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These better not be true she is too beautiful and young to be scrapped
YOUNG!??? she is 44 years old, well past retirement age. That's seriously, even for a passenger ship, which tend to last longer than average. The average economic lifetime of a ship is 25-30 years, and in the current climate, a lot of ships (container vessels and bulkers in particular) are going for scrap at less than 20 years old.
and beauty doesn't pay the maintenance bills unfortunately.
Beat me to it, Ralph :D. A 44-year old ship is hardly 'young' and vessels half her age are going to the breakers at the moment.
Do I want to see her scrapped? No, not particularly. But what happens, happens.
My apologies there guys ment to say too beautiful