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[ChasB46]

And what can be done? Ziltch ..as has been stated many times before if you upload your pictures and they are good (no rubbish on Shipspotting???) then expect them to be ripped off as there are no sanctions. Either get over it, or keep your pictures at home.

[Trev]

As I make a living out of photography there are many things that you can do.

First of all I suggest a polite email / message to the person / group concerned requesting that you are credited or that the photograph is removed from their site. Remembering to keep a copy for yourself if it is needed later.

If the first message to them has no effect then I suggest sending another one off to them, including a message that legal advice will be sort if your images stay on their site.

Finally take legal advice and go through the courts. I have taken 2 people to court for copyright infringment and have recieved good payouts.

It isn't just a simple courtesy to credit the photographer, this is in fact international law and could result in legal action being taken against you.

[Gordy]

Thanks Mr Dot and Robert, I dont mind who takes my pics, but I know some people like to at least to be recognized for their efforts, its not a nice thing to do. I know my late fathers pics are posted all over the net without permission, I dont think he'd be happy about it if he was still around.

Cheers and GB

Gordy

[Flugel Horn]

If anyone wants to observe a very silly situation, take a look at the FaceBook group "Lovers of the Ocean Liners".

Their leader "Kipfer Fox" made a habit of rapid-fire posting of many many photos, with absolutely no regard for acknowledging the source.   I'm not whining about copyright, I am laughing about Mr. Fox's inability to do basic research and his inability to post photos in a classy and intelligent manner.

Anyways, so this poster-of-many-photos Mr. Fox has apparently been banned by Facebook, for copyright issues.    I think that's hilarious.

And what's even more funny is the loud rhetoric on that Facebook page about member betrayal and about that site being "the best site on Facebook".   hahaha, the arrogance is quite silly.

But seriously, it shows how shoddy posting (ie. with no efforts to research a photo's photographer and source) makes a website and people look amateur and immature.

[Robert Smith]

Have a look at this pathetic message posted by Gene Speroni on Facebook.

"
I dont ask a lot of our members, but I am going to ask, and tell you this now: PLEASE!! If you post a picture, you must include where you got the picture from. You must give credit to that person! If a picture is posted, without a reference to it, it " WILL" be removed by one of our administrators who have been informed to do so. They have also been informed to block anyone who does not conform to this ruling!!! You will be asked nicely! But if it continues, you will be blocked! I think this is fair. With that being said, I would like to move ahead FULL STEAM, and continue to being the Greatest Site Of Ocean Liners on FB, And also to again start talking up about our Great Trip to Queen Mary!! Now more than ever, it's something we need to do, especially for Kipfer, and I am continuing to ask for a $ 25.00 donation for him to be able to join us. Please go to the above EVENTS tab for more information, or message me if you have any questions. One last thing. I consider you all friends! Friends who have an interest in these Beautiful Ocean Liners of days gone by. We come here each day to share our thoughts, and photo's. Some of you, Like Kipfer, have never seen the Ocean, much less an Ocean Liner. But it is because of YOU! That these wonderful ships are seen by all of us each night. PLEASE!! CONTINUE TO POST, CONTINUE TO INVITE YOUR FRIENDS, AND SPEAKING FOR THE OTHER ADMINISTRATORS---THE BEST IS YET TO COME!! STARTING WITH OUR TRIP TO THE QUEEN NEXT APRIL!! Thank You All-----Gene!"

[Flugel Horn]

I respectfully ask this of shipspotting.com members:

If you appreciate the ship-photographers of yesterday and of earlier eras and you appreciate the historical value that these ship-photographers have given us, then please do not join the FaceBook group "Lovers of the Ocean Liners".

That FaceBook group and people such as Kipfer Fox have no respect for the work that they are ripping off.   And they have shown no respect for the photographers that they have ripped off.

Please don't be one of them....

Thanks.

[Robert Smith]

I wonder if someone with sufficient seniority in Shipspotting can appraoch Facebook and have this group eliminated altogether. Trouble is if a member wishes to approach them through Facebook, one'd have to sign up ....and that's the last thing I'd do !

 

[DEREK SANDS]

Hi Rob,

I will link this discussion to Andre and Henrik for action

best regards
Derek

[Ken Smith]

Thank you for your intervention Derek, I am afraid I am in the same position as Robert and am not involved with Facebook and have no wish to register.

I can only suggest to members that if they are involved with this group "Lovers of Ocean Liners" that they refrain from any further contact with them, and that they must understand the risks when using the internet, it has been posted in the Forum often enough.

Regards
Ken

[Ian Boyle]

The problem with the Lovers of the Ocean Liners facebook group is that admin Carl Ireton (not necessarily his real name) is posting stolen images and implying they are his by crediting them to 'My Personal Collection'. Having been notified that some of my images were on there I joined the group. He removed some images that I found after I pointed them out but then he kicked me out of the group so I cannot look for any more.

[smithy166]

This might be useful, as you can report the breach without a account (as far as I'm aware). Unfortunatly I can't report the images myself as I'm A - not a member of the group (Although if requested, I have no problem with joining the group and trawling through every photo to provide a link) and B - I'm a "minor" in the eyes of facebook (17y/o).

Hope that helps,
Dan

https://www.facebook.com/help/contact/?id=473738729306832

[Trev]

Hi Ian,

Did he give you a reason for kicking you out of the group? If he ever admitted to using your photos without your consent, you have him my the do dahs!!

Copyright is theft and I know from experience that the courts are on our (the photographers) side in these matters, clearly it is up to you if you choose to go down the legal route, usually just the threat of legal action is enough for those in the wrong to sort themselfs out.

Trev

[Ian Boyle]

I received not rsponse at all - he just deleted the images from his page. Will leave it at that for now but will check there is nothing else on the site.

[Jean Hemond]

 Another one but big Newspaper. I didn't thought it might be published for the low relative quality.  That is why I posted with the small watermark. But there is no stop from information  fast-food. They only cropped the watermark no credits !
I called  tonight on them to pay for the picture!

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/wtc_antenna_on_high_seas_9WlyGb33pjiyQSWcDasqbN

The situation is on the way to be resolved to my satisfaction with the Port Authority of Ny NJ
I believe we should all passionate photographers unite in a "coop" to to the job of bounty hunters for copyrights and first placard and  sue commercial concerns using our photos with out permission.

[Sinisa Aljinovic]

It is really hard to get rid of those invaders these days,unfortunatelly.So easy to steal but very hard to protect it.
Look what they say in the last sentence of article....."The Port Authority has created a tracking Web site to follow the barge’s journey at MarineTraffic.com."
What a stupidity!

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