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[Dave Forbes]

HMS Duncan (D37)?....this is the title that some unknown administrator had changed my picture title to...my original title was "Duncan (Sea Trials)". I have forever been lambasted and often corrected regarding new Uncommissioned Royal Navy ships by putting the title 'HMS' in front of their names. This new ship is still on builders' civilian sea trials so therefore cannot officially be given the prefix 'Her Majesty's Ship' before Commissioning. I just wondered who is right on this one?

[Phil English]

Dave,

For the purposes of shipspotting.com, HMS Duncan D37 is correct as per point 3 here:
http://www.shipspotting.com/support/faq.php?category=Military%20ships#158

It doesn't matter if the ship is not officially delivered. The purpose of having consistent titles on this website is so that the correct vessels can be searched for and found by the search engine. We certainly discourage showing any descriptive text in the title field - e.g. (Sea Trials) as that doesn't help the search engine at all.

I hope that explains.

Kind regards
Phil

[Ken Smith]

Hello Dave,

I am the interfering Admin you refer to, and your point is taken, Phil is quite right, this is not considered to be a definitive or authoritative website with regard to Naval Vessels or come to that any vessel, we are basically a hobby website albeit we have some very knowledgeable members on all types of shipping and we share the knowledge and our photographs for all to see.

I understand what you are saying about the country designation and you are most likely correct in what you say, but it will eventually become HMS Duncan D37 so I see no reason why it cannot be included as such in the current update of Military Ships now in progress.

As you have raised this point all photographs currently available on the website of HMS Duncan D37 have now been updated in various stages of her life, some are not very good quality and can be replaced as others appear, so please go to advance search tap in D37 and you should find all eleven of her on the website.

I hope that you accept this explanation.

Kind regards
Ken Smith

[Chris Howell]

I would like to add my views here.

As to interfering admins, that is their job, to ensure the site runs smoothly, I personally do not agree with some of the rules or their views, but when we sign up, we agree to abide by these conditions. I don't believe it is personal when admins make comments in the forum but just stating what is required on a particular subject.

As to the naval designations

I have uploaded numerous warship shots and have many more to come and find it easy to understand the rules, why is it so difficult for others, every day I see work for the admins to change the titles to the correct format as Phil and Ken have mentioned more than once.

Why is this so ? , pretty simple

Prefix where known, name, pennant where known

If you don't know the pennant or prefix go to google, information on nearly all modern warships are available there or navsource.org for US warships.

Finally as Ken correctly states it is a hobby site, and the rules so far have ensured it is the premier site for modern and historical ship and marine photos in the world.

[Kelvin Davies]

A veritable can of worms!
What will happen if Duncan is flogged off by the government before commissioning?
Meanwhile, have a look at TTS Port of Spain and P120 Amazonas.
Same ship with name changes after Trinidad & Tobago welched on their deal for these ships.
However, on this site one is listed as a coastguard vessel with the other listed as a patrol vessel. Probably both correct at the time the photos were posted.
However, look at the name and flag. Both shown with the Union flag and the name:
Bae Surface Portsmouth 4328
Some consistency may be needed here.
What difference does it make if the prefix HMS is included anyway? Surely anybody searching for Duncan wouldn't bother with the prefix?
Kelvin

[Ken Smith]

Kelvin,

It would be interesting to hear of something about this website you really approve of, you only seem to pop up when you wish to complain about it, there must be some attraction that interests you apart of course from the Forum.

Regards
Ken

[Kelvin Davies]

What's the matter Ken?
Get out of bed on the wrong side?
That was a bit of a thin skinned response. How about:
http://forum.shipspotting.com/index.php/topic,10527.msg57850.html#msg57850
http://forum.shipspotting.com/index.php/topic,10518.msg57849.html#msg57849
I can't be bothered looking all the way through my old posts but, be assured, if I see something I think is amiss, I shall say so.
Equally, if I see something praiseworthy, I shall say so.
If comments, constructive or otherwise are about to be banned, give me a heads up.
Kelvin

[Ken Smith]

Kelvin,

Thank you for taking the trouble to show that I also use complimentary words when appropriate, I do sometimes wonder if remarks such as you have made about this category are given any thought as to the time and effort that is put in to make a category easy to use and searchable.

In view of the fact that this update has been ongoing for over a year I feel it is a little uncalled for to make these comments and criticisms, of course it is a possibility that Duncan could be sold off but least it can easily be found on this website as HMS Duncan using D37 in the pennant box, I do not think you would get very far by using Duncan in a search.

There is no suggestion of any ban on comments, it would however be nice if some consideration was given to the work that is done on this website for the benefit of all instead of just nit picking.

Regards
Ken

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