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Barry Graham
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« Reply #15 on: September 01, 2012, 08:48:10 am »

I've also noticed that photos considered for deletion sometimes attract a large number of hits.  My guess is that most hits are after the picture has been flagged for possible deletion with people being just curious about the reason.  Or maybe in some cases a bad photo is just so "different" that people are attracted to take a closer look.  (I'm not saying that applies to any of yours, jdap) Just my 10 pence worth.  Barry
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« Reply #16 on: September 17, 2012, 12:14:18 pm »

Could the new policy be added to the FAQ page please as there is still no direct guidance there for members (there is a guidance page for Admins on member contact, but it's out of date anyway - perhaps not a priority to re-do).  To save Admins' time, perhaps Ken's clear guidance, starting from "The current system of viewing photographs...." could be just copied into a new heading in the "General" section?

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« Reply #17 on: September 17, 2012, 03:39:37 pm »


It can be David but I am not sure it would serve any additional purpose, it is currently as a sticky topic in the Forum and is there for all to see and if a query on a deletion is received a link to the changes is send out when appropriate.

As you will be aware this website is pretty well covered by various rules and guidelines, there is also a box to tick on uploading to confirm that you accept them, but sadly human nature being what it is many still ignore them.

We will continue to do our best with the problem of deletions and you can be sure that nothing is deleted without good reason, the aim is still to have a website of quality ship photographs for all to enjoy, but it can be difficult at times.

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« Reply #18 on: September 17, 2012, 04:09:19 pm »

I don't have a problem with the policy or current application, so no need to be defensive.  The whole point of a FAQ page is in it's title.  It's the right place in my view for standing policies that people ask about; it has lots of useful ones at present - site standards most obviously.  When a member's photo is deleted  (and it is very usefully shown now in the My Photos menu), I am sure the most frequently asked question is why?  The natural first port of call for most would be the FAQ page, where the answer to the deletion will, in most cases, be revealed. 

No problem to leave the "sticky subject" thread.  Interesting that one of the others says "Please be informed that FAQ's are regularly updated to suit changing circumstance".  It might be helpful to prune (ie "unstick", not delete) the sticky subjects - they are already taking up half the first page of topics.

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« Reply #19 on: September 17, 2012, 04:45:57 pm »

Hello,

Sorry to break into this high level discussion, but I joined less than a month ago, and out of goodwill, I started out by being a black sheep, as I have been giving Ken and others a hard time with the photos I initially uploaded.

And I am very appreciatitive of the way my outlawed photos have been dealt with (and my own case, if I dare say so) by those in charge.

First of all, the basics. The reason why I started out by uploading "raw" photos, is because each one of them meant a lot to me. The way it was taken, showing the subject, but also the circumstances under which each had been taken. At least to me.

I learnt the hard way that my emotions regarding the circumstances surrounding the way each photo was taken was in the least what the site and the Photo Admin. really expected from it.

They care about the emotions the main subject, the vessel pictured, and at the heart of the photo, will eventually create on members/viewers.

They could not care less about circumstances leading to the way the photo was taken. That is impressed on my mind (and heart), but not in the photo. It cannot be transmitted to others.

That I have learnt.

So I needed to adjust my mind, and start focusing on the ship at the centre of the photo, not on the circumstances under which the photo had been taken. It meant developping empathy with prospective viewers, and foregoing my own in-grown rememberings of circumstances leading to the actual shot being taken. That was a learning experience to me.

Since many of my photos have been deleted, I have tried to move into the subject at the heart of the photo, and forget all the rest. All the surroundings. And all the emotions those surroundings had inspired on me. I am still working my way there.

It is an emotional thing, not a rational thing.

Now, to the point.

I do not think I would have improved my technique had the answer been spelled-out in the site FAQs.

What really has been helping me (I am still learning the ways of the site, by the way - emotionally, I mean - not theoretically through the reading of the R&R...) is that, for every single photo earmarked for "Deletion" by the first screener, I was able to read his/hers remarks at the foot of the Description section.

Left there for the second screener to judge upon.

These few words taught me a lot, and helped me realise, in every single case, what had gone wrong, and what were the specific details on which I needed to concentrate, as spelled out, to make that specific photo acceptable to the site.

That was a very useful learning experience. Question and Answer provided on the spot!

Right now, seeing and noting those remarks requires swiftness on the part of the prospective (and delinquent...) photographer, as once the second screener sees the photo and finally deletes it, those remarks are lost (at least to the photographer self).

Maybe what could be arranged is a way to have those remarks by the first screener be automatically emailed to the photographer, so that one is sure he reads them, and acknowledges them, in the realm of his/hers own reality and limitations.

My 2 cents worth.

Thanks for reading.

Jose
(jdap)

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